Originally posted by wood
how do i get my privet messenger started?

:( :( :(

Look at the top of the screen, on the right side:
there you'll find the user cp button.
Click on that.

Then click on the Edit Options button.
Scroll a bit and just mark yes next to the Enable private messaging? question.

done i hope it works now

thanks moondancer!!!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Alyon, Kilia, thank you for the tip about Ian Smiths Weblog. The One Party condensed coverage was a good read. (Oh, to have been there!!)

Can't wait to see the Dom/Elijah "German interview" on the EEDVD. :D

And if I interpret PJ correctly, the longed-for bloopers reel won't be on the RotK EE DVD, but on the later 3 film combo edition.

From Alyon
Maybe Peter will try to make it up to Elijah on the DVD. Give Frodo a little more linking footage to make the average viewer understand him a little more--and maybe he'll talk about the acting and about Frodo on the Directors commentary. It seems they have been concentrating on Frodo footage in the Oscars, and in Newline's bits. Maybe there will be a little attempt at rectifying things in the DVD. For both Frodo and for Elijah. Well, I would join you in wishing for as much Frodo and Elijah-centricity as possible. :) Not certain we'll get our wish concerning the Elijah part of that, though, since he seems so very more than willing to yield the spotlight and the talking to others. Which again *may* be a good thing. His performance is so nuanced and open to interpretation throughout (especially in all those many scenes where he's got little or no dialogue, and only "speaks" through facial expressions and body language) that in a way it is an act of courtesy and trust in the viewers for him to keep mum about what he himself was thinking and acting there, in order to let his audience form their own opinion.

Interpretation of the Frodo scenes is an extremely interesting topic, btw. I've discussed various scenes with others and it turns out we read completely different things into Frodo's expressions, and all of it arguably is based on canon! In fact, Frodo waking up bathed in light is one such scene, open to various interpretations, where there probably isn't one single "correct" one. It could refer to Frodo's inner light shining through. It can underpin a "Frodo believes he is dead" interpretation: That intense, almost otherworldly light, Gandalf the white appearing before him; it's like an altogether other reality from when he fainted while being carried towards the sky. Or it could simply be a means of the filmmakers to signal the change that has come over the world, the end of darkness, the happiness that has returned, etc. Personally I very much favour seeing Frodo's inner "light shining through".

But as for more focus on Frodo.... Have any of you seen the post-award interwievs with all the winners on the Oscars site? There's an about 15 minute interview with Philippa, PJ and others there. Towards the end, PJ is asked what kind of "message" they were trying to get through, and he responds that they wanted to honour Tolkien by getting his views across, "and he was by all accounts an opinionated fellow". :cool: He mentions environmentalism but then goes on to discuss the topic of friendship and loss of friends in war, the horrors of war and how that can change people. He explains how important it was for them to get that across in the portrayal of Frodo at the end (scoffing at the "multible ending" complaint): That Frodo returned having achieved his goal, but not victorious nor "successful", for he'd been too much changed and could never go back to his old life. PJ says it was important for them to get that across, referring to servicemen who have come back from various wars feeling the same, and how Tolkien knew this through his own experiences. I really enjoyed this part of the interview, it gave good insight in a brief time to what they wanted to achieve specifically in those scenes with Frodo at the end.

Incidentally it also reverberated with something I just read in HOME (Sauron Defeated). I've read very little of HOME before except the stuff about Maeglin, but now I've read about the Mordor/Scouring/Grey havens and Epilogue chapters. It's very interesting and illuminating to see how Tolkien worked with and developed and refined the storyline. What really struk me, was the account of how the character of Frodo changed in the various re-writes if the Scouring until Tolkien reached the final version. In the early version, Frodo is actively fighting and commanding, he even personally kills the then Sharky who's taken up residence in Bag End. And as Tolkien worked with this, Frodo gradually became more withdrawn, less active in the fighting and more "pacifist"-focused and contemplative until the Frodo of the published version that we all know.

Without re-opening the whole "Frodo has been downsized" discussion again, I do wonder whether PJ and the scriptwriters may have gone through a similar process in getting to "their" Frodo - defining and developing the film character and in so doing, focusing consistently more on the inner strength and the Ring's constant pressure, and the "Frodo became changed forever" aspect, and less on the physical acts of bravery and fighting? I'd really like to hear PJ talk more about this. Certainly I think his comments mentioned above about Frodo in the film post-quest could lead the thoughts in that direction.

And CandyGirl! ((((CP)))) I know what you mean about the 'Kitchen.' I feel a bit like a hobbit trying to keep up with elven intellect there sometimes. But I miss the mistchief you and I used to get up to! And I'm another who had only barely registered Elijah pre-Frodo.

LOL!! Oh yes...the naughty mistchief!:D I also still remember a particular signature pic that you had that had me desparately wanting to touch a particular beautiful dark haired, blue-eyed hobbit's chin cleft! :D Hehe! I lived in constant danger of being put out of the kitchen for coming too close to swoonage! :DThough, I doubt those ladies over there would have really put me out...they were far too nice (most of 'em anyway!:p ). Still I might have nicely been given directions to "The Green Dragon" or (God forbid!) "Fandom":eek:. All in all, I think they were very tolorant (and actually indulgent) of me in spite of my late arrival into the world of Tolkien and Hobbits - as well as my being still a tweener and therefore less experienced and wise (as most of them were well of age and had read the books countless times). I often felt like a student amongst great masters! Yes. I shall definately have to go and have a peek (and maybe say hello!) in the Kitchen. I do miss it.:( And while I'm thinking of it...how in the world did we ever manage to miss ALL those movies our dear Mr. Wood was in pre-LOTR?!? Not an easy feat, in hindsight! The boy has been working pretty steady since he was 8...yet somehow I managed it!:rolleyes:

Welcome to you, CandyGirl, and a welcome back to yowser and Random!

Thank you, Maeglian! The reception has been lovely!:)

One more RotK note. When Frodo wakes up in bed after MD, and he is all bathed in light--does anyone else wonder if this might be a reference to --the clear vessel of light, for eyes that can see? Frodo himself seems to be glowing.

Alyon,
I personally certainly saw it this way. I was very glad that they included it as I was really disappointed in the previous two movies that they didn't really give much attention to this (if any at all...trying to remember if Gandalf even said his line about becoming a vessel of pure light...and now that I think about it, I don't recall that he did.). I thought this was one of the most beautiful things about book!Frodo...that he was somehow able to take this hideous dark thing on (and in) himself, and yet on (and in) him, it is turned to pure light! He wore it very well, indeed!

Incidently, I remember reading a fan encounter (by someone who is NOT a screaming fangirl type) in which she mentioned (and was struck by) the "light" that Elijah himself seems to have. I'll see if I can dig up the link to that particular fan encounter. It is really beautifully written very interesting to read. (Leaves to go find link...)...Ahh...found it!

**link removed**

By the way, Alyon, Thanks for the warm welcome!:)

Later!
cp

Thank you, Yowser, for checking your tape for me. And thank you much, Maeg, for reporting that PJ interview. Very nice to hear, and a good, lucid answer, I thought!

Everyone has already reported my news, so I'll just end by saying, in that the Ian Smith article that Kilia24 linked, PJ confirms that the ROTK EE will be out in November, but he has no knowledge of the "boxed set" that is coming out after that. I'm a bit nervous to hear that one of his ideas was including some of that blooper footage. Does this mean none will appear on the EE, or that only a tiny bit will? (hopes for that tiny bit...)

Hello to Kilia, CandyGirl, Yowser, and Random (welcome back)! :) :) [And my brain is only half here lately, so I probably missed someone--sorry :o .]

Originally posted by Maeglian
His performance is so nuanced and open to interpretation throughout (especially in all those many scenes where he's got little or no dialogue, and only "speaks" through facial expressions and body language) that in a way it is an act of courtesy and trust in the viewers for him to keep mum about what he himself was thinking and acting there, in order to let his audience form their own opinion.
Not only would I not want a lot of explanation from Elijah on this, I doubt if he could give it. Oh, sure, he could say something, but the things we'd most like to hear about :p are so natural to him that I don't know if he could really verbalize them. And IIRC, he did say at least once that he'd rather leave the interpretation of his acting to the audience, so I wouldn't expect him to go into detail even if he had the chance.

The statement about it being "an act of courtesy and trust in the viewers... to let his audience form their own opinion," gave me a smile :) , because it also describes what Tolkien did in writing LotR. In Frolijah, we've got living, breathing "applicability" (IMHO). And I think the varied interpretations of different scenes flow right from that (as they always have from the book). I think Elijah already had that essence before his symbiotic relationship with Frodo--which is just part of what made him perfect for the role.

Thanks for posting PJ's comments. I've heard similar things from him before, but not put together so well :) .

[And, yes, whenever I read an early draft of Tolkien's, I'm eternally grateful that he was willing to stay with a story until he knew he had the truth about it.]

Originally posted by CandyGirl
Alyon,
I personally certainly saw it this way. I was very glad that they included it as I was really disappointed in the previous two movies that they didn't really give much attention to this (if any at all...trying to remember if Gandalf even said his line about becoming a vessel of pure light...and now that I think about it, I don't recall that he did.).
No, Gandalf didn't say the line, but at both points in the story that mention Frodo's "inner light," the movie does something to acknowledge it. The first is when he wakes up surrounded by light in Rivendell, which is when Gandalf "thinks" his line (he doesn't say it out loud--and probably wouldn't, with Frodo lying there looking at him :eek: !). The second is Sam's "He's like that, and sometimes it shines through," when Frodo's asleep at the time Sam cooks the rabbits. In the TTT movie, Frodo is asleep at that time, and he's lying in bright sunlight that seems to be centered right on him. IMHO, both of those moments are among the many "little things" that PJ put into the movies that would be noticed only by people who've read the book. They work for me, mostly because Gandalf's and Sam's lines are both internal, and the light they're seeing at the time is somewhat mysterious, and probably not physically visible at all. So I actually kind of like it just being hinted at.

Totally off the discussion (which I'm enjoying, while half-lurking... and I can't tell who has recently joined the discussion, so I won't try welcoming anyone, but you've all got great things to say!).

But when is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind coming out? Did I catch some mention of it happening at the end of March? (If so, good timing. Delaying its release might be a very good thing -- it can capitalize on RotK's popularity, rather than competing with it. Hidalgo is almost coming out too soon, I think. And perhaps Elijah's acting will be acknowledged finally?)

I can't decide whether I would rather hear Elijah, Sean, and Andy talking over some of the great acting on the RotK DVD, or whether I would like to hear the actors who weren't in the scenes suddenly say how great they are. (Sir Ian was very complimentary towards Elijah on the FotR extended edition, if I remember correctly. So was Orlando. And didn't Brad Dourif say nice things in TTT, too? Hey... two of those three guys are Academy members. :D ) Somehow I imagine the commentary from Elijah, Sean, and Andy will involve reminiscing about how hard it was for Andy to jump on Elijah's back, or how Sean hit Andy too hard, or various other stories. Which are fun to hear. But it's nice to hear talented actors gush about Elijah's acting (as if they're Faculty members, almost).

Mel

Sorry to interrupt the discussion (I like the 'lying in bright sunlight' discussion).

Read this on the TORC site:
Elijah is going to be on Conan O'Brien's show on March 11th.

another show I used to be able to see before they threw that part of NBC off our cable because they demanded too much

When Elijah comes to the UK to do The Yank/Hooligans, I hope we'll be able to see him on a couple of decent shows on the BBC (Parkinson is too much to ask for probably, maybe Jonathan Ross?)
I managed to miss him on Wetten dass? on German tv. :mad:



Carry on :D

Originally posted by mel headstrong
I can't decide whether I would rather hear Elijah, Sean, and Andy talking over some of the great acting on the RotK DVD, or whether I would like to hear the actors who weren't in the scenes suddenly say how great they are.
Hmmm... That's an interesting idea--having the "western part" of the story comment on the "eastern part" and vice versa.

ESOTSM is scheduled to open on March 19.

Thanks for the note on Conan, Moondancer. That's one show I used to watch quite a bit in my younger days--now I'm afraid that unless it's on a Friday my old bod has to be in bed before that :( . BTW, if anyone notices any of the other ESOTSM people scheduled for an interview, could you drop a note here? Thanks :) . I wouldn't mind hearing about the movie from several points of view (and maybe even seeing a few clips ;) ).

You ladies are so eloquent that I rarely have anything to say because you always say it better than I could.

Reading all the comments about the openness of EW's interpretation, I was struck by how silent his role is, especially in ROTK. So many main characters get great speech moments (Sam in Os, Aragorn at the Morannon, Boromir's death speech, even Merry's speech in Fangorn). But when I try to come up with a speech for Frodo, there isn't that good of an example there. Wheel of Fire comes close but it's fairly short and not much of a speech (length-wise).

And yet, it's Frodo who stands out the most to me, in ROTK. It's an amazing feat that Elijah manages to convey the gradual disintegration of the character almost entirely through body language, facial expressions and those otherworldly eyes, with scant help from dialogue.

It's actually a great choice IMO, because it not only parallels Book Frodo's withdrawal from the audience, but also shows the effect the struggle has on Frodo. He is clearly a gregarious, happy, cheery young lad in the beginning of FOTR. And yet, he is almost mute by the end of ROTK because his suffering is making him turn inwards and withdraw into himself. The battle for his soul is demanding all his inner concentration.

And this is why I think EW is amazing. How many other actors could make a character not only watchable and interesting, but also utterly compelling, while uttering so few words?

Have you noticed that all the Oscar acting clips involved talking? Sometimes shouting or weeping while talking, but always dialogue. I think that's yet another reason EW wasn't nominated, doesn't have an "Oscar moment" in the movie. It's because all of his best moments are silent. The Cracks of Doom, the scene where he struggles so hard to throw the Ring in and then is just destroyed. It's brilliant. But how well would it work in an Oscar clip? :rolleyes:

Happy belated birthday, Peaceweaver!

And welcome, Kilia, CandyGirl, Yowser, and Random! :) Great to have you here.

Blossom, Moondancer, you are SO right about the BBC's actual Oscar coverage. That was dire. The breakfast TV when I wandered down after very little sleep looked a lot better - I kept seeing Elijah (OK, OK, I was probably sleepwalking/hallucinating :) ) and PJ and Sir Ian. And Elijah had been interviewed at least twice during BBC previews etc. But I could cheerfully have throttled Alistair McGowan. I threw him several, ahem, rude signs during that broadcast and have since fast forwarded his bits on tape - would edit them out if I could be bothered. But note: at the very end, after ROTK had won Best Picture, he admitted he HAD WALKED OUT OF IT AFTER THE FIRST HOUR !!!!!!! :rolleyes: :confused: :eek:

So someone who had not even seen two-thirds of the movie - the really crucial two-thirds - felt qualified to sit there pontificating on how bad and boring it was! (Yes, Alistair, I've seen your preferred "Cold Mountain" and, though some aspects were extraordinary and riveting, other parts were so slow and inconsequential that friend and I kept looking at watches and very nearly fell asleep. Ms Kidman's acting was not so terribly convincing either: left us totally cold, unlike, say, Miranda Otto’s.) But in the end EVEN ALISTAIR finally admitted he should go and see the rest of ROTK - there, his curiosity was aroused! :p

I'd like to bet he didn't see FOTR or TTT at all.

What's the betting he'll turn into a fan if he does?

Grumpy, ace letter. Love it :D

Blossom, thanks for transcribing Sir Ian’s very complimentary words. (Would have done it if you hadn’t!) I’m so happy he said that in addition all the other beautiful things he’s said about Elijah. I can’t get enough of directors and fellow actors complimenting him and yes, I too would love the DVD commentaries to contain LOTS of that rather than even more anecdotes. Maybe PJ will take note and let the cast comment on each other’s performances. As well as doing so himself.

from Moondancer:
posted by serena
Liev Schreiber, starring next in Paramount's upcoming remake of The Manchurian Candidate, will make his directorial debut with a feature adaptation of Jonathan Safran Foer's bestselling novel Everything Is Illuminated, for Warner Independent Pictures. Variety says the film has already garnered interest from Elijah Wood and Jason Schwartzman, though no deals are yet in place.
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Er........I need to do something about my ignorance here.
I have never heard of Liev Schreiber or Jonathan Safran Foer, Jason Schwartzman,...

Erm, me neither! Not sure who posted that, but it weren't me, guv, honest! :)

Sounds interesting, though.

But Moondancer, I can send you a tape of Wetten Dass if you're interested. PM me about it :)

Yes, naiad, I know what you mean about the editing. Eyebrows were raised around here when that one was won! But no matter - without that award it wouldn't have been a clean sweep. And the sheer size of the editing task may well have made it an unprecedented feat - maybe that's what they were honouring.

Maeg, naiad, Dangermouse, beautiful thought-provoking posts. V. interesting thoughts on silent acting, DM . Pesky RL preventing deep thought and any sort of reply right now. But it makes me think about the non-English versions (again). Really MUST try to see it in French before it's too late.

Maeg, I’d sort of gathered you lived somewhere Up North :)! Are you in fact Swedish? If so, chapeau, as we say around here: I stand in total awe of your English and the things you write in it.

Whiteling, I'll be in touch - pesky RL butting in! LOVED your fireworks and mediaeval birthday cake pics, btw!

No, Gandalf didn't say the line, but at both points in the story that mention Frodo's "inner light," the movie does something to acknowledge it. The first is when he wakes up surrounded by light in Rivendell, which is when Gandalf "thinks" his line (he doesn't say it out loud--and probably wouldn't, with Frodo lying there looking at him !). The second is Sam's "He's like that, and sometimes it shines through," when Frodo's asleep at the time Sam cooks the rabbits. In the TTT movie, Frodo is asleep at that time, and he's lying in bright sunlight that seems to be centered right on him. IMHO, both of those moments are among the many "little things" that PJ put into the movies that would be noticed only by people who've read the book. They work for me, mostly because Gandalf's and Sam's lines are both internal, and the light they're seeing at the time is somewhat mysterious, and probably not physically visible at all. So I actually kind of like it just being hinted at.

TG,

Great point about those lines occuring only in Gandalf and Sam's heads and not actually spoken aloud...I hadn't thought of that. I totally agree with you about the light when he wakes up and the sunlight during 'of herbs and stewed rabbit' scene in the TT. Those were both (in my humble opinion), nods at that concept. The only regret I have about it's subtlety is just what you mentioned...that only those who have read the books will notice it. And, while it's nice to feel 'in on' something like that I hate that the general public who hasn't read the book will miss that beautiful element of Frodo's character. On a side note, have any of you noticed that Frodo also seems to have that 'glow' in the extended addition during his 'reunion' with his cousins and Sam (right after he gets up)? They are all standing in one of the gardens of Rivendell...yet the light once again seems to be strongest (and slightly more golden and beautiful) on Frodo. Or is it just my imagination?:rolleyes:

I can't decide whether I would rather hear Elijah, Sean, and Andy talking over some of the great acting on the RotK DVD, or whether I would like to hear the actors who weren't in the scenes suddenly say how great they are.

Mel,

Hmmm...that's a very interesting concept. I think I would like that. Though, I do enjoy the stories about what occured during filming of each scene, etc. I should probably refrain from even saying this (but I'm obviously not going to!:D ), but...while I think that Andy Serkis did an absolutely incredible job with Gollum and I have enjoyed seeing him on some of the documentary type footage, (cringes before finishing!), I didn't particularly enjoy him during the cast commentary. There. I've said it. I hope no one is offended. Believe me when I say, I really do like A.S....but...I don't know - he just annoyed the stew out of me with his constant interuptions and let's just say he often passed several good stopping places after a topic was thoroughly exhausted. You can certainly tell how differently each of them was obviously brought up. Elijah was always polite and almost deferential to the other two (S.A. and A.S.) and he nearly never interrupted while others were talking. Kudos to Lijah's Mum!:) I know I sound terrible and there's just no excuse...but...well, I'm just being honest. I just wish Andy had better manners when it comes to conversation. Or, maybe I would just rather hear Elijah!:D :p :D

I hope no one thinks I'm terrible for saying that.:( (Candy FEELS terrible for saying it! :eek: )

You ladies are so eloquent that I rarely have anything to say because you always say it better than I could.

Dangermouse (LOVE the name, by the way!),

(Whispering)Don't look now, sweetie, but you just said something really eloquent!:) And I agree with you 100%!

Thanks for the Welcome, Serena!

Later!
cp

2 small notes from the Oscars:

First, I was watching the E! Fashion Police thing this evening - my mums and I love to watch because they do such wonderful sweeping shots of all the dresses. (Even if you do have to put up with Joan Rivers sounding like she needs to be shot with a tranquilizer dart) Amazingly, only one of the four badmouthed Peter's "sloppiness" (the swishy guy complaining that "this *is* the Oscars - tighten your tie adn get a jacket that covers your belly!" - to which the other three retorted that Peter could do whatever he bloody well pleased) They also made reference to our beloved hobbit boys, saying that they all looked very classy and wonderful. So, huzzah.

Second, interesting thing that caught my eye over imdb.com:
Johansson and Del Toro an Item? (http://imdb.com/PeopleNews/#1)
Unlikely couple Scarlett Johansson and Benicio Del Toro were so smitten with each other at a pre-Oscars party, they didn't care about being spotted "with their arms all over each other". Latin star Del Toro - who was nominated for a Best Supporting Actor Academy Award at Sunday's ceremony - spent Saturday night canoodling with the 19-year-old actress before the pair retired to the Chateau Marmont hotel in Los Angeles at 3.30am. Guests at the legendary hotel on Sunset Strip were stunned when the playful pair walked in, because they were making no attempts to cover up their intimate behavior. A spy says, "They didn't care who saw them. They walked through the hotel lobby where there were quite a few people hanging about and didn't seem at all embarrassed to be spotted with their arms all over each other. It was quite extraordinary. She looks so young and he could easily pass for her dad. They then got into a lift together."

:eek: I thought she was pursuing our sweetie?! And now she's checking into hotels with a man old enough to be her father on Lij's big night?! Was she expecting that he was "too busy" to notice, or were the rumors about the two of them rubbish? Here's hoping that either a) *this* rumor is complete rubbish or b) Elijah didn't get his heart entangled in another dud relationship. :(

Moondancer, Serena, concerning Everything is Illuminated, I don't know if this may ring a bell at all but Jason Schwartzman's most popular role was in Rushmore as Max Fischer, with Bill Murray. I hear this was a role that Elijah had auditioned for but was declined. However, it is now one of his all-time favorite movies and he graciously said that he couldn't see anyone else in the part. (Methinks that if they are doing this movie together, they may get along well.) However, I don't know, are they vying for the same role of Jonathan (who's the main character in the novel), or is one playing Jonathan, and the other Alex?

(Even the New Zealand Herald mis-labeled Billy in Dom in a photo

Which they (the NZ Herald) have lived to regret and to their credit was a basic Proof Reading Error. It didn't go well down in a nation that has taken not just the films but the individuals actors to their hearts. Tragic Faux Pas. :mad:

Sorry to be so late Faculty Persons but several severe summer storms have hit the North Island of NZ and the last one hit my phone line and took it out the night before the Oscars. Since I'm not a high profile person witha high profile job I went to the bottom of the pile as far as repairs go. I actually am perfectly content with this (though having no phone or email contact for so many days was a bit weird) but Could It Possibly Have Happened At A Worse Time!@!! I Don't Think So@!:rolleyes:

I had a long post re EW and his performance in the scenes on Mt Doom ready to go before the storms hit but they got sucked into a storm created cyber vortex . I may well revisit these ideas later. I watched a NZ doco on the making of RotK just the night before the Oscars and somehow seeing EW on TV and not at the end of a very long and emotionally charged movie made his performance so much more powerful. But I have a host of emails and business stuff to do so must attend to that for now. :)

So...leaving you with the knowledge that a small nation is very happy and that young Mr Wood rates very highly here on the list of people to be proud of.... :)..

Prim

Anyone recall that scene when Elijah rises up (from the ground) just before Arwin says, 'If you want him, come and claim him'? It's in the new LOTR compilation trailer at the main LOTR site. Wondered whether anyone might have done a cap of Elijah at that moment. The look on his face is, well, agonizing and, of course, beautiful.

Also, has anyone, (Tg?) made a photo analysis of the scene where Faramir swords the Ring from around Frodo's neck - before, during, and after? (of which David Wenham said ~ 'I was so uncomfortable about doing that scene. I didn't want to touch Elijah's skin - I didn't want to hurt him.' )

In case anyone missed it, there's a lovely short 'red carpet' interview of Elijah at the frodoandsam site in their Media 2004 collection. He looks wonderfully dapper and has a confident, jocular air about him as he chats with the host. And I think, 'He's young but he's daily growing.' Delighted to learn he drives a Mini Cooper :)

http://www.frodoandsam.net/multimedia/index.html

Blossom,could you please (we begs) PM me with directions to your LJ and that 'adult' pic of EW that you referred to?

Maeglian, great post!

Tg/CandyGirl - Lovely comments re: Elijah's light as filmed by PJ (had never thought of that). Also, Re: EW's "symbiotic relationship with Frodo" - beautifully put!
Elijah was always polite and almost deferential to the other two (S.A. and A.S.) and he nearly never interrupted while others were talking. I quite agree, CandyGirl. I noticed the same thing. S.A. tends to walk all over EW (verbally ;) ) when they're interviewed, which I really don't appreciate, regardless of what self-effacing Elijah thinks. Or maybe, like you say, "I would just rather hear Elijah!"

Dangermouse - That's just it - what you said about the dearth of Oscar-worthy lines in the lotr films. PJ left out the most mighty sections of dialog - (we've discussed them on these threads) - the type of scenes/dialog that WOULD have been Oscar-worthy as delivered by PJ's cast. That's what's so crushing about all this (even while I acknowledge PJ's noble effort on the whole) - that we never got to hear/watch Elijah & co. rendering some of JRRT's most stirring lines, nor Frodo's wit (with his friends in the Shire), nor his sharp intelligence (at Faramir's interrogation), nor even his innocent but astute curiosity (with Gandalf).

Originally posted by naiad
Also, has anyone, (Tg?) made a photo analysis of the scene where Faramir swords the Ring from around Frodo's neck - before, during, and after?
I haven't done any analysis of them, but I do have --cough--99--cough-- screencaps from that scene. They're not continuous but do (of course) show all of Elijah's acting and reacting. Ummm, acting y'know... only one "alabaster chest" shot, just to show what's going on. I absolutely don't have time to post them now, and have to do it from home rather than the office, so maybe tonight. And others can have at the analysis, because I don't have time for that at all! They are from the crebain, so if anyone has screencaps from a legal source, they're probably better quality (hint, hint :) ). But they do feature my favorite Malaysian word (that I learned all by myself ;) ) as well as a now nostalgic "For Your Consideration" tag. I find the placement of those tags to be an interesting study in itself--this is one scene NewLine evidently wanted the Academy members to notice.

Dangermouse - That's just it - what you said about the dearth of Oscar-worthy lines in the lotr films.
Ah, the moviemaking dilemma summed up in one sentence: two people who agree on what was done, but disagree on whether it should have been done. Was it "a great choice" or "crushing"? (((Dangermouse))) (((naiad)))

From what I've said in the past, it's probably no surprise that I lean towards the "silent is good" side of the discussion. And I was already thinking that way with only book-Frodo in mind, as that's the main reason I was so happy to hear that Elijah had been cast: I've always considered Frodo to be essentially an interior character, and I knew Elijah had the ability to connect the audience to that kind of person in a way that most actors can't.

Much more to say on that topic (and on the light :) )--but I'm determined to make it to work almost on time today, so will leave it at that for now. Hope to be back later.

Hi, Prim-- :( on the phone line. Hopefully your TV was working, so you could watch the Oscars, at least??

In case anyone missed it, there's a lovely short 'red carpet' interview of Elijah at the frodoandsam site in their Media 2004 collection. He looks wonderfully dapper and has a confident, jocular air about him as he jokes with the host. And I think, 'He's young but he's daily growing.' Delighted to learn he drives a Mini Cooper


Ooh!! Did he mention the Cooper in the interview? The reason I ask is I have one EXACTLY like his!! But (and I PROMISE!!), I did not know he had one until after I had ordered mine and someone else on another board mentioned Lij having one (actually, I think they said he had bought it for his Mom [what a sweet son!:)]). I was so excited that the one I ordered looks identical to the one he's driving in the pic I was directed to! I LOVE my Mini! I got it in November, so we're still on our honeymoon! :k I actually got rear-ended last Friday afternoon (while I was sitting still at a red light, waiting to turn...did I suddenly go invisible?!?:confused: ). Thankfully there was very little damage (but the other party is fixing what was damaged) and no one was hurt. Tough little guy. Here's Lij with HIS Mini that looks exactly like mine! **link removed**
LOL! I nearly 'squeeeeeee' everytime I see that picture because it looks like he's getting in MY car! I know...I'm a silly lass!:p

I thought she was pursuing our sweetie?! And now she's checking into hotels with a man old enough to be her father on Lij's big night?! Was she expecting that he was "too busy" to notice, or were the rumors about the two of them rubbish? Here's hoping that either a) *this* rumor is complete rubbish or b) Elijah didn't get his heart entangled in another dud relationship.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

HobbitAinsley,

I hope that either or both of your theories are right. Fickle lass that, Scarlett! Kind of reminds me of another famous (literary) Scarlett - collecting a string of beaus and leading them on. (If, indeed there was ever anything to the story about her and our sweetie to begin with, that is...you NEVER know!:rolleyes: ). Our boy deserves someone who will treat him well. Well, the right girl will come along for him someday.

Later!
cp

Welcome back, Prim! So sorry about your storms. Thank you for the news from NZ. I think CNN.com had the best story on the Oscars -- seemed to put the focus on ROTK instead of the gowns. :eek:

I'm enjoying the discussion of what could have been changed to make Frodo's performance more "Oscar worthy." I have no ideas. I have had some complaints with the screenplay (as I'm sure everyone knows! :p ), but I adore Elijah whether he's speaking or silent. He really brought Frodo alive for me. As I started out prejudiced against him (way back at the beginning of FOTR, because he was so young), this really says how powerful his acting is.

Good show, Elijah. :) I'm still feeling warm fuzzies from the Oscar recognition. As someone said, "Star Wars will never know this." Yes, but it didn't stop them from becoming a phenomenon (the original series, I mean). LOTR will not fade. Although I can't help fantasizing that, when they finally get around to making the 20-hour mini-series, that they will tap Elijah again for Frodo. *sighs*

from http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20040303/en_usatoday/celebsracetohidalgopremiere

Stepping off one of the first buses were hobbits Elijah Wood (news) and Dominic Monaghan (news), who galloped into the party on stick ponies. "I picked them up for 15 bucks at Toys R Us on my way to pick up Dominic," Wood said.

"We just discovered they make noise - listen!" added Monaghan, making his go "neigh."

Will these lads ever grow up? I hope not... ;D

~grumpy (unfortunately, though there was a pic. of Dom, Viggo, and stick pony, there was none of Elijah)

Will these lads ever grow up? I hope not... ;D

Not yet, I hope. Found this link along w/3 others on C-o-E's Oscar Party & commentary thread:

http://img1.photobucket.com/albums/v40/amandall/3032300.jpg

Too cute! Now I feel sorta bad I told my wee kid no when she asked me to buy one at Toys R Us.

K.:)

zkg--After that snip I had to read the story (mostly to find out why people were getting off of a bus :confused: ), and I found the following quote very interesting (The italics are added):

On the red carpet, John Rhys-Davies (news) (Rings' Gimli) explained why he watched director Peter Jackson (news)'s acceptance speech at the New Line Cinema party. "We were very short of tickets," he said. "I'm an academy member, and I couldn't even get a ticket. The academy wanted four hobbits sitting near Peter, and then we had Liv (Tyler) and Ian (McKellen) presenting."
A bit of a change from turning some of them back at the door :eek: ?!! It doesn't sound as if we needed to be worried about the boys getting tickets ;) .

"The Academy" (or whoever was making those decisions for the Academy) had some smarts, methinks. With 11 noms and as the clear front-runner for BP, RotK was almost certainly going to win something. Obviously, there would be gazillions of LotR fans watching (to say nothing of Goonies, Mobsters, Playgroupers, Haremites, Faculty Members--and whatever the Hugs Haven folks call themselves :p ). The people in charge of seating evidently knew who we wanted to see a lot of--and seated them all with PJ so they'd be on camera often. I'm wondering if someone was also smart enough to know that a large percentage of LotR fans have come to love all the people involved in these movies and that we wanted to see hugs and tears for each award and everyone running up on stage in the likelihood that RotK won Best Picture. As much as I like and admire JRD (and I have since "Sliders"), I can't quite imagine him throwing his arms around PJ and crying... But we know who would, don't we, precious... ;) ?

----And they also made sure that Liv would be there for the male audience and Sir Ian for the "old guard" :) .

So many great posts..., reading all this stuff is so constructive! Thanks for the links (stick ponies :p - would you believe it?) and in particular for the link to the Ian Smith Oscar party report (the Berlin video interview episode sounds, er, promising :D . Poor Elijah!).

My Oscar joy is somewhat damped. First, the German coverage was rather LotR indifferent and second - last weekend I was at a meeting of ex fellow students (artists and art therapists, all of them very dear friends of mine). The conversation eventually turned to the LotR movies. It was horrible! They started to pick on the films like mad. They didn't like the films in general and excoriated Elijah. They literally ran the gamut from "this Frodo guy has one single facial expression throughout the film" to "he was so unbearable sentimental (corny) at the end" :eek: :(

You know, I can live with the fact that some average movie-goers (or average critics :p ) don't get it, but to hear people I like (and I assumed they should've "eyes to see") suddenly dish up the same trite "arguments" we've discussed so many times here... this ignorance was a shock to me. All I could say was "I love these movies and the actors made a great job." Worst thing of all was the feeling I was talking to the winds. *resigned sigh*
(((Faculty))) - nothing compares to you! :k

WELCOME to Kilia and CandyGirl (cp, I welcomed you in my last post but I think it was too inconspicuous) :) :) !

Serena, hi :) , take your time !

I love those stick ponies! (In fact, I bought one -- I think just like those, it neighs -- for a nephew a couple years ago.) I had seen the pictures, but I didn't realize that they were Elijah's idea! I love the total unpretentiousness of it all. Stick ponies. At a big Hollywood movie premier. :D

On the subject of the RotK commentaries -- there was a little bit of cross-story commentary on TTT. Elijah and Sean and Andy commented on some of Viggo's scenes, when none of the actors in the scenes were part of the commentary. I think Elijah actually said more interesting things (about the story, in particular) about the scenes he wasn't in.

But what I would really love would be a whole bunch of different commentary tracks, so if I'm in the mood I could listen to the Dom & Billy show, and when I'm in a different mood I could listen to Elijah and Sean, and in another mood could listen to, say, Sir Ian M.

And about ESOTSM, any idea whether it is going into immediate wide release, or whether it is going to start small and try to build buzz? It seems as though previous Kauffman movies have expanded based on critical praise, rather than starting as blockbusters. (I'm just wondering whether I should be bummed if it doesn't reach my local theater right away. 10 First Dates is here, and I'm sure Hidalgo will show, but the LotR alum film I want to see most is a big question mark.)

Mel

The Cracks of Doom, the scene where he struggles so hard to throw the Ring in and then is just destroyed. It's brilliant. But how well would it work in an Oscar clip?

It was actually shown as an Oscar clip - at least in the version I saw here in the UK. (I only saw the highlights, the night after Oscar night).

(((((Naiad))))) - enjoyed your post, and agreed with much of it too.

posted by Serena
I can send you a tape of Wetten Dass if you're interested.
:) :)

posted by hobbityme
concerning Everything is Illuminated, I don't know if this may ring a bell at all but Jason Schwartzman's most popular role was in Rushmore as Max Fischer, with Bill Murray.
Errrrm...sadly, I'm only underlining my ignorance here
I haven't seen Rushmore.
Oh well, when the movie rumours turn out to be real for Elijah, I'll do my homework.

Those pictures with the toy horses are fantastic. Did you see the pictures where Elijah is surrounded by belly dancers?
Great stuff. :D


I know that the webmaster of frodoandsam.net posts here sometimes (or used to post here...forgot her username) if she does, I'd like to thank her for all those fantastic mediafiles.
Did you guys see the new clips? There's a great one from Japanese tv.

Originally posted by Niphredil
The Cracks of Doom, the scene where he struggles so hard to throw the Ring in and then is just destroyed. It's brilliant. But how well would it work in an Oscar clip?

It was actually shown as an Oscar clip - at least in the version I saw here in the UK. (I only saw the highlights, the night after Oscar night).



Sorry...sorry...sorry. I meant as an oscar clip for an acting nominee.

from whiteling
So many great posts..., reading all this stuff is so constructive!
Thank you, whiteling! You have just given me my rationalization for the week for using this board. Well done! :k

I'm sorry your friends aren't of like mind, but please try not to let that spoil it for you. Fortunately I have some friends who love the books, but I don't think anyone is as gone for these movies as I am. What clearly works for us won't work for everyone, and there's no sense in trying to change someone's mind. I hope there are enough us of who do appreciate PJ, Tolkien, and Elijah's Frodo that they know it, and we don't have to worry on their behalf. :)

Love the stick pony story, grumpy! :D

*Mariole reluctantly tries to like the Academy after they insisted on seating all four hobbits near PJ...*

I have to admit that I have yet to listen to Peter Jackson's commentary for TTT--because my daughter and I, as a committee of two, had to flip a coin and she won. She insists on taking the slow approach and spreading the experience out for as long as we can...so we haven't heard that one yet. But I was expecting more from Peter on the Fellowship commentary. I wanted a little more about what he was specifically trying to get from the actors. And I wanted him to gush a little more about certain performances. Yeah..that's part of what I'm listening for. So I want HIM to speak up for both Frodo and for Elijah on the RotK commentary. I want to hear about how he directed elijah and what he thinks Elijah gave to the performance.

And then...I want every other actor to talk about it too!! Because I think they should make up for the fact that the press seems to have missed it....and they know better.:k

Hello all!

Back from LA and the TORn party -- what a weekend! And yes, I can assure you that our boy DOES glow. He also swears, drinks and smokes, and we witnessed it all in one go. Honestly -- if he'd started to bite his nails, I would've fainted from Lijah overload.

Did you notice the odd expression Lij had when the coronation scene was shown (and ended abruptly) as ROTK's Best Picture clip? Was he, perhaps, as surprised as we were, that that was what was chosen to represent the movie? Not that it's not a great scene -- it is -- but it surely wasn't what we were expecting.

BTW -- whoever mentioned Renee Zellweger -- I suspect that it was Jack White (of The White Stripes) you saw with her, not Lij. And as for Scarlett, apparently nothing came of it.

I think Scarlett is history, but maybe not the wee's interest in dating. Someone on the main boards at TORn mentioned something interesting that she saw at the One Party, and I was wondering if anyone else who attended saw this interaction as well?

I saw Elijah and his date, or dates (he was holding hands with 2 girls alot) several times through the backstage door. One looked like Fiona Apple.


http://www.theonering.net/rumour_mill/rpg/viewer/main/40468769000B35DA.html

I think it's very sweet if it is true:). Just like at Mardi Gras, he's got a two girl quota. LOL.

BTW: I just saw a trailer for Elijah's "Sunshine" on Fox tv, they said the release date was March. 19th, if so I can't wait to see it.

Found this:
"Behind the Scenes" -- "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" (30 minutes)

Premieres:
Thursday, March 18 04:00P E! Entertainment Television
Repeats:
Friday, March 19 03:30P
Saturday, March 20 08:30A
Sunday, March 21 03:00A & 7:30A
Monday, March 22 03:30A

Plus, upcoming: Ebert&Roeper are going to give an early review (3/6) of the film:
http://tvplex.go.com/buenavista/ebertandroeper/today.html

This site has a lot of info:
http://www.admiringkate.com/EternalNewsPage.htm


The movie keeps getting good remarks and excellent reviews! :)
All the main critics are really looking forward to it.
In an interview, Kaufman did say that it's not a simple film, it rewards close attention.

The movie isn't on the calendar here in Belgium yet (no date fixed), but it's set for a summer release.

ETA: some release dates:
USA - 19 March 2004 in approx. 1,200 theaters
Italy - 19 March 2004
Denmark - 7 April 2004
Australia - 22 April 2004
Brazil - 7 May 2004
Germany - 13 May 2004
Austria - 14 May 2004
Argentina - 27 May 2004
Czech Republic - 27 May 2004
England - 30 June 2004
The Netherlands - 26 August 2004
Sweden - September 2004
France - 6 October 2004

CandyGirl, I too have a Mini Cooper! Bought before I knew EW had bought one each for Debbie and Hannah (as well as one for himself, it seems). Did see a pic once, but assumed it was his Mum’s car! Too bad your link was removed. Maybe you could tell us the colour??

Hobbityme, thanks for the explanation!

Prim, I do sympathise about the summer storms in NZ - and your loss of data! It was unbelievably windy on the South Island in December too (unlike May). Explains why ROTK looks so windswept!
from Prim:
So...leaving you with the knowledge that a small nation is very happy and that young Mr Wood rates very highly here on the list of people to be proud of....

That's good to know :). See below:

from Whiteling:
They didn't like the films in general and excoriated Elijah. They literally ran the gamut from "this Frodo guy has one single facial expression throughout the film" to "he was so unbearable sentimental (corny) at the end"

Love your vocabulary! :) But hate the story. It sounds all too horribly familiar. I have two similar anecdotes. First off, I’ve been trying for ages to get KD to stop sending me emails when people post here (in my innocence I chose that option initially and very soon regretted it. Now I can’t seem to cancel it whatever I do!) So what happens the moment my new hard disk is installed? PC Doctor (a real live friend of mine) tests the email system, which instantly downloads 7 messages from KD emblazoned with the title “Reply to post: The Faculty Lounge: An Elijah Wood Discussion”. You know the sort of thing. Now this wouldn’t have been quite so embarrassing if we hadn’t just been discussing LOTR. And if he hadn’t just been saying how “annoying” “a lot of people” found EW. [Annoying :confused: :eek: :(] Well, I fielded that remark by saying I thought EW a brilliant actor and quickly changing the subject to Bernard Hill (who is of course found acceptable). PC Doctor assumed the KD emails were spam (!) I mumbled something about visiting the site ONCE :D and about a young friend of mine who does so too (that is true, but she doesn’t normally use my computer!). Not sure he was convinced! :o

Second anecdote: saw ROTK for the first time in Wellington, as I may have mentioned. Altogether a wondrous experience. Sound effects exceptional (actually felt those thundering oliphants). Sat in Hugo Weaving's leather seat, complete with brass plaque. Elijah's seat was directly in front - could actually have booked that seat if I'd asked, but felt the vibes would have been just too distracting! :eek: Did sit there afterwards, just for fun. Had dinner the night before at Brava, a former favourite hobbit haunt, overlooking the Embassy Theatre and overlooked by a huge and beautiful poster of Frodo and Sam. Friends I was with, minor LOTR fans, seemed to appreciate the film almost as much as I did.

Or so I thought until we reached Sydney. Funky waterfront restaurant overlooking harbour and Opera House on balmy evening. Perfect food, view, company and atmosphere. Until Friend B suddenly announces that he "didn't think EW was very good". To which Friend A - who knows I'm an EW fan - replies "How come I can't get away with saying that?" It genuinely felt to me like a conspiracy.

I did my best to ignore them and engaged Friend C (now promoted to Friend A!) in animated conversation until managed to escape to waterfront and seethe inwardly. Have rarely been so ****ed off with friends. It put a damper on the entire trip. I haven't spoken to them about it and probably never will. As Mariole says, there is absolutely no point in trying.

Rationalising people's attitudes to EW is like rationalising attractions and aversions in general: there is no accounting for taste, which is just as well where personal relationships are concerned! And beauty - of all kinds - is most definitely in the eye of the beholder. How person A reacts to person B depends on person A. It has little or nothing to do with person B - which doesn't mean, of course, that what B is or does is immaterial; it just means that there are some who will never be able to appreciate B whatever (s)he does, because their own prejudices, hangups and desires get in the way. It's all to do with resonance or the lack of it.

I know this perfectly well, but it still doesn't stop it hurting when people knock Elijah. (I should be - and am - proud that he resonates with me, not ashamed of it as I'm occasionally made to feel!) As many here have said, the adverse reactions have a lot to do with his courageous and selfless attitude to expressing emotion. And of course his eyes, which are too often the only thing people notice about him - hence the ludicrous "one expression" myth. I suspect that those who knock his Frodo have some growing up to do, in the sense of understanding the human condition.

Which just makes it all the more exciting when people like Sir Ian and Kevin Myers and so many other critics and directors and fellow actors say the things they do.

And it was SO gratifying when the Mardi Gras organisers described Elijah as "the most popular young actor in Hollywood"! THEY clearly have eyes to see. Go Elijah.

Saw Sir Ian at the Sydney Festival in Strindberg's "Dance of Death", btw! Wonderful, macabre and disturbing, as you might expect. Apparently he was mobbed by middle-aged fans at the stage door (me not included, sadly).

Another funny synchronicity: Friend A (formerly C!) in Sydney suddenly mentioned "Forever Young" because someone had been telling a story about a long-lost love revisited in old age. He remembered only the basic FY story and that it had starred Mel Gibson. I told him (of course) that the small boy in it was worth watching. The next morning both A and B reported that they - separately - had watched FY on Australian TV that very evening and that yes, that small boy was most definitely Frodo. And yes - he was very good. In FY, anyway. Very odd.

Edit after reading serena's post: I don't have time to add anything, but I don't know that I've much to add--just to nod my head sadly for those who miss how incredible Elijah's acting is.

Originally posted by Achila
Did you notice the odd expression Lij had when the coronation scene was shown (and ended abruptly) as ROTK's Best Picture clip? Was he, perhaps, as surprised as we were, that that was what was chosen to represent the movie? Not that it's not a great scene -- it is -- but it surely wasn't what we were expecting.
Saw the first post-Oscars RotK TV ad yesterday, mentioning the awards, and that scene's also used there--but just of the four hobbits, not going into the closeup on Frodo. The ad's another collection of very quick shots, as most of them have been, but I'd say it has more shots of hobbits than previous ads.

Originally posted by Mariole
*Mariole reluctantly tries to like the Academy after they insisted on seating all four hobbits near PJ...*
Mariole, if it makes you feel better ;) , I doubt if they did it for altruistic reasons :rolleyes: , or because they share any of our admiration for one or more of said hobbits. Someone just had enough savvy to finally figure out who the audience really wanted to see!

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I'd like to step back to the discussion about Frodo's light for a bit, because CandyGirl's post made me sort out some things for myself (and that's a good thing--thanks :) ) and I haven't had time to follow up:
The only regret I have about it's subtlety is just what you mentioned...that only those who have read the books will notice it.
I shouldn't have lumped the moments of light in with all the little "nods" to readers. It's certainly not on the same level as "A shortcut to what?" "Mushrooms!" or even Frodo talking about the Party Tree during The End of All Things although it was never mentioned in the FotR movie.

I think of it more like Aragorn's singing during the coronation ceremony. There aren't any subtitles, so the viewers who haven't read the book don't know what he's saying (unless they've read the liner notes from the soundtrack). But even if there were subtitles, the words wouldn't make any sense in the context of the movies (the only time Numenor's been mentioned is by Eowyn in the TTT EE). But IMHO the singing does a few things even for people who don't exactly know what he's singing. It's beautiful, it's suitably kingly--knowing that not all kings are opera singers, and it pretty obviously is coming from an old tradition--it doesn't sound like something Aragorn would just make up for the occasion. I think general viewers would pick those things up, although perhaps not consciously, and they'd add to the sense that's come throughout the movies that there's a larger Middle-earth out there: that there's a lot more to this world than what we've seen. Which, IMVHO, is one of the most Tolkien-like things about these movies.

If that seems a bit of a stretch from Frodo's moments of light (especially the more subtle ones), IMHO they could also be compared to subtle acting. When I saw the "Only a dream" scene in the theater, I somehow had the impression that Frodo was choosing his words carefully because of Sam's presence--that he was really quite centered on Sam instead of his own thoughts when he spoke--but I couldn't really say why. Until I got the DVD and could watch the scene frame-by-frame and catch Frodo's tiny, furtive eye movements in Sam's direction. They aren't enough to bring Sam into Frodo's field of vision, but they're enough to indicate where his thoughts are going--which I picked up although I didn't even see the movements consciously. (It's that kind of thing, of course, that reminds us that DVDs were invented specifically to study Elijah's acting--how considerate of the electronics industry :p .)

I don't know if those comparisons make sense to anyone but me :o , but IMVHO the moments of seeing Frodo bathed in light (when the only other characters we ever see that way are Galadriel and Gandalf) have a cumulative effect on the viewer's impression of Frodo, even though it might not be conscious. The more unsubtle moments when he wakes up in Rivendell and Minas Tirith add a little more oomph to the effect.

So, as with Aragorn's coronation song, even though movie viewers might not be able to connect the "Frodo bathed in light moments" with specific passages in the way that book readers can, IMVHO they do provide that sense of "something beyond." Of course, not everyone's going to pick up that sense--but there are also a lot of people who read the book and don't pick up that snese about Frodo.

All of this goes back to what I've been saying for the last five years (with apologies to those who've had to listen to me throughout ;) ): That the highest and best purpose these movies can have is to be very long trailers for the book. There's no way the movies can give us a full picture of Frodo, or of any of the other main characters. Tolkien simply made them too deep and complex for that. Rather than fully understanding Frodo--which is impossible--I want the viewer leaving the theater thinking, "That little guy's kind of interesting. I'd like to find out more about him." And all of this is, of course, completely on topic :) because that interest depends squarely on Elijah's ability to show that there's more to this hobbit than we've seen so far.

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After looking at the difference between the screencaps from the crebain and those from the DVD, I just couldn't bring myself to post the ones from the crebain... So they're not ready yet. If there's still active interest in the "sword fondling" scene, I can get some caps up this weekend.

CandyGirl, I too have a Mini Cooper! Bought before I knew EW had bought one each for Debbie and Hannah (as well as one for himself, it seems). Did see a pic once, but assumed it was his Mum’s car! Too bad your link was removed. Maybe you could tell us the colour??

Serena,

Hello my fellow Mini owner!:) Of course I'll tell you the color (I NEVER miss an opportunity to gush about my car - like I said, still on the 'Honeymoon'!:p ). Mine (and Lijah's! At least the one I've seen pics of him driving!) are both 'Cosmos Black' (black with sparkly/glittery/metalic stuff mixed in!) body with white roof and mirrors. Has momentary fantasy about racing Lij - his Mini against hers...and overtaking him! Sees self in racing clothes and helmet...looks VERY cool...huh? What? Oh...sorry!:D They also both have the sport package added as well as fog lights and the optional chrome front and back bumper trim. This little strip of metal took all of the impact of that crazy woman in a Jeep Liberty plowing into me last Friday and did it's job of 'impact absorber' very well! Glad I chose that option...hehe...plus, it just looks cool on the black.:D There is a NEW pic up at the same place I linked to before (but the link was removed because the rest of the site apparently has some content that is not PG-13). There's pic of Elijah putting something in the trunk (or "Boot"!:D ). Looks exactly like mine. What color is yours and how long have you had it? Are you in Europe? I'm curious as to what some of the differences might be. I think I remember my dealer telling me that there were slight differences. Not sure if that's right. If you want to see the pics of Lijah's, just pm me and I'll give you the link...but, of course, be advised that there is content on the rest of the site that is worse than PG-13...you are over 13, right?:D

First off, I’ve been trying for ages to get KD to stop sending me emails when people post here (in my innocence I chose that option initially and very soon regretted it. Now I can’t seem to cancel it whatever I do!)

Oh! Thank Goodness!!! I'm so glad to hear someone else say this! I thought I must just be an idiot!:rolleyes: Obviously, I am having the same problem. Though, I must say, I do feel very popular when I go to my e-mail box and see that I have 12 unread messages!:D Whine!!! Make it stop!

I know this perfectly well, but it still doesn't stop it hurting when people knock Elijah. (I should be - and am - proud that he resonates with me, not ashamed of it as I'm occasionally made to feel!)

I SOOO know what you mean! I know it is completely irrational and crazy...but when I hear someone knocking on Lijah...well, it just makes my "Inner Sam" come out! I want to know who said it and WHY and what kind of drug they must have been on to make such an insane statement! Furthermore, I also often think, I'd like to see them say that again - in MY hearing (eyes flashing daggers!). I recently read about a 'meet and greet' that took place during his arrival in NO for Maudi Gras. The writter of the encounter told of how many people had gathered there and they were all pushing and shoving and screaming and grabbing at Elijah. She went on to say, from what she observed, "He seemed to be shaking and he kept his eyes mostly to the floor...but tried his best to hand out the (coins) one by one...". When I read that, I could imagine myself there saying to the crowd, "Back you devils!!" Inner Sam moment, indeed! But, in general, I think that Elijah inspires that kind of protectiveness from all those around him. (I've never even been actually in his phyical presence and I have been turned into a mother bear protecting her cub numerous times - and I am no where NEAR old enough to be Elijah's mom - a big sister perhaps, but...!) Think how often in pictures you see him and whoever happens to be in the pic with him seems to have him pulled up close (in an almost cuddle) - in an almost shielding protective way. I don't know if it's simply his slightness of build or the vulnerability that glows from those amazing eyes of his that does the trick. He's just like that somehow. Not that I think he's a scrawny little weakling who needs protecting - quite the opposite...I am well aware that he can, when needed, stand up for himself. I guess I just don't want him to HAVE to. Am I making any sense whatsoever? I think I am doing a very poor job of explaining myself right now. :rolleyes: At any rate, this would be one more way that Elijah is similar to Frodo - inspiring loyalty and protectiveness.

More Later...must work now! :)

Pardon me whilst I go and bawl my eyes out. :::: sniffle ::::

http://www.apple.com/trailers/newline/lord_of_the_rings/the_journey.html

~moresnifflythangrumpyatthemoment (Not *ONE* picture of EW with stick pony anywhere!)(re: Mini: Ah, horse-puckey! Can't hold a candle to my '57 Dodge!)(::: running ::: ) :p

Candygirl, serena, and anyone who is getting e-mail notifications that you don't want - to turn that off, just go to the bottom of the Faculty page when you are signed in, and there's an option to 'unsubscribe to this thread'. Just click on that, accept the change, and you should stop receiving notifications.

Hi, Faculty! *waves*

Just time for a few "reaction shots":

from Alyon
I have to admit that I have yet to listen to Peter Jackson's commentary for TTT
I postponed hearing this deliberately after hearing his LOTR commentary. PJ seems to have no concept of a spoiler! Even now, I'm reluctant to play it, because I want to hang onto the "magic" of these movies a bit longer. I'll probably play the (whichever group Howard Shore's in) track next (I've only listened to the cast track as yet), because I loved his comments about how the music supported each character. The lovely music at the end of FOTR is Frodo's particular theme. So moving, and it suits him.

from Moondancer
In an interview, Kaufman did say that it's not an simple film, it rewards close attention.
*Mariole cackles with anticipation, rubbing her hands* Yes, give me more thoughtful movies!

from serena
he hadn’t just been saying how “annoying” “a lot of people” found EW.
As you said yourself, "there is no accounting for taste." But truly, he is allowed to find EW annoying. Although I think that people often mix up the actor and the character, and what he might really mean, at least in part, is that he found the character of Frodo annoying, with its nonconventional approach to heroism. (Sometimes I want to make the entire world sit down and watch No Highway in the Sky starring Jimmy Stewart -- talk about my kind of hero!) This could explain why so many people complained that John Noble was a bad actor -- they didn't like Denethor!

Anyway, the thing that I found inappropriate was how your friends, knowing how you felt, went ahead and dissed Elijah in front of you. There are a couple of actors in the trilogy whose performances I don't like or appreciate (seriously), and many, many who I think were excellent. I think it's only polite to shut up about the ones we don't like (unless the venue is particularly appropriate for venting) so that people can have their movie enjoyment unsullied.

from CandyGirl
when I hear someone knocking on Lijah...well, it just makes my "Inner Sam" come out!
LOL, well put, CG! Yes, I think Elijah does inspire that protective reaction. Just one more proof in the long chain of "coincidences" that meant he was perfect to play Frodo. :p

from tgshaw
It's that kind of thing, of course, that reminds us that DVDs were invented specifically to study Elijah's acting--how considerate of the electronics industry.
There, you see? The entire electronics industry is a fan! :p Just wait until high-definition comes out -- they know that's what we truly need to study this amazing face!

Tg, never apologize for going on about a topic. It's always enjoyable to read! And thank you for giving me permission to continue to feel haughty and superior to the Academy. I have to confess that I resonated with Fran and PJ's "look" because it was so honest and unprentetious. Give me that lot any day of the week, instead of the primped and glitzy majority! (But that's just me and my lack of interest in glamor.)

wood, you are being so patient, waiting for that picture. I have pored over my computer history, trying to figure where I found that pic. I have it saved to my drive, but I can't send an attachment in a private message. Can anyone else please help wood out? I obviously spend way too much time on the computer and my little hobby :rolleyes:if I can't ever retrace my own steps!

Serena, you had me laughing out loud about your friend seeing your "Faculty" notifications popping up in your mailbox before a witness! :o It's happened to me too!

Honey!

~moresnifflythangrumpyatthemoment (Not *ONE* picture of EW with stick pony anywhere!)(re: Mini: Ah, horse-puckey! Can't hold a candle to my '57 Dodge!)(::: running ::: )

*Whispering*...pssst!! Psst...! Hey! Grumpy! I know where you can see some stick pony pics...just pm me and I'll tell you where - that is, if you are past 13?;) Also...

*No longer whispering* '57 Dodge! That is a cool ride! But I bet I could take you in a 'twisty-turn':p! I saw a sign in a Mini on the dealership showroom floor that said, "Hug the curves. Love the curves. Ah, heck! Let's just MARRY the curves!" :D

Candygirl, serena, and anyone who is getting e-mail notifications that you don't want - to turn that off, just go to the bottom of the Faculty page when you are signed in, and there's an option to 'unsubscribe to this thread'. Just click on that, accept the change, and you should stop receiving notifications.

Thank for the tip. But I did that already.:confused: Perhaps I'm not holding my mouth right when I do it?:D

Blessings!
cp

Originally posted by CandyGirl
But I did that already.:confused: Perhaps I'm not holding my mouth right when I do it?:D

My bad. :o It's obviously been a while since I unsubscribed,and I was using my (faulty!) memory. :rolleyes:

Here's how you really do it! Go to the 'User CP' button at the top of the page. The screen that comes up then shows your subscribed threads, and has a button underneath each to 'unsubscribe'. Use that, and you won't receive notifications.

My bad. It's obviously been a while since I unsubscribed,and I was using my (faulty!) memory.

Here's how you really do it! Go to the 'User CP' button at the top of the page. The screen that comes up then shows your subscribed threads, and has a button underneath each to 'unsubscribe'. Use that, and you won't receive notifications.

Hugs Narya until she squeeks!

Thank you so much!!:)

posted by tgshaw
if anyone notices any of the other ESOTSM people scheduled for an interview, could you drop a note here? Thanks . I wouldn't mind hearing about the movie from several points of view (and maybe even seeing a few clips ).
March 5: 'Entertainment Tonight': Jim Carrey previews his romantic flick 'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.'

March 18: Premiere of 'Behind The Scenes' of ESOTSM on E! Channel

Kate Winslet appearances:
March 14: 'Inside The Actors Studio', BRAVO (8&11pm); March 27 (1:30pm)
March 15: 'The Ellen DeGeneres Show' (syndicated)
March 16: 'Late Show with David Letterman', CBS
March 18: 'Late Night With Conan O'Brien', NBC

Jim Carrey appearances:
March 18: 'The Ellen DeGeneres Show'

Other cast member appearances:
Elijah Wood:
March 10: 'The Tonight Show With Jay Leno', NBC
March 11: 'Late Night With Conan O'Brien', NBC

Mark Ruffalo:
March 17: 'The Ellen DeGeneres Show'

(source: see link in my previous post).

Honeyelf
I think that I know what picture you're talking about.
I found it on a LJ and it has the warning **may not be work safe.

I'll see if I can send a PM to wood with a link (and if it's not the picture Honeyelf is referring to, it's still an interesting one to look at
;) )

Grumpy, thank you so much for the link to that RotK-Apple-trailer link! Sniff..... Wheel of fire, I can carry *you*! and that shot of Frodo at the beginning..... *sob*

I think I'll go *very* impatient waiting for that DVD to *finally* be released. In June, isn't it?


Don't really know whether you were trying to avoid the stickhorses or wanted to see them? If the latter's the case, then by al means have a look here:
Stick horses and bellydancers, too..... (http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.asp?navtyp=gls====53363&nbc1=1)
(Mods, as far as I could see, the content on this site seems to be on the right side of KD rules)


Prim, it's good to see you again! Too bad about the storm and your PC. Please pop in here again! :)


Serena, I don't know if this holds true for your friends, but it does for at least some of the people I know: Not very savvy about details and techniques of acting, not very conscious *thinking* about the acting as the film unfolds. (Uhm, not that I'd ever pretend I'm savvy about any of this either.....:o ) It's more like; - they think a performance works, or it doesn't. And whether it *works* for many viewers may have to do not only with the actual acting, but also the looks and fame and reputation of the actor. Especially for action and dramas I often get the impression that the looks and coolness factor and previous roles of the actor (or the character he's playing) has a lot to say. And hence, when I mention that I think EJW's acting is fantastic, and that he should have received an Oscar nomination and won (I'm pretty vocal about that by now), - I've had several reactions from people who disagree, because he's not very *hot*, or he's way too young, or he's way too short, or "Frodo's a real whimp" (i.e. he makes them uncomfortable being such an unusual "hero") etc. Nothing of which has anything to do with Elijah's acting per se, but there you are. :rolleyes:

Thank you (((narya))) ... let's see if it works!

(Confusingly, there's also a specific user option for receiving or not receiving email notifications. Obviously deselecting "yes" and substituting "no" doesn't work! Nor does an email sent to the webmaster .....)

Thanks to all for posting photos and links--have been enjoying them all very much while lurking about.....

....... but there was one particular photo, of Sean and Elijah side by side at the Oscars, that I saw somewhere only yesterday and now cannot find for my life. :confused:

Can anyone point me to it? Many thanks!:k

Just in case anyone else is also having difficulties, I'll continue answering the questions in the thread rather than going to PM. :k

Serena, the 'email notification' box you're looking at will notify you of new posts to ANY thread at KD that you post to. That way, if you're posting in a bunch of different threads and forums, and want to know when people post to those threads, you don't have to subscribe - you just turn on this option.

However, subscribing to the thread is a different matter. Once you've done that, you will receive notice of all new posts to that thread, whether you're posting there or not. It's a very useful option for threads that move fairly slowly, but as you have discovered, is unnecessary for very active threads. After all, you can pretty much count on finding new posts in the Faculty on a regular basis! :D

The two are not linked - so saying 'no' to e-mail notification does NOT turn off your subscription to a particular thread.

(((Maeg))) Thanks for posting the KD-safe links to those pics! They are delightful, aren't they?

(((tgshaw))) Thanks for always saying what I'm thinking - it saves me so much time composing lengthy posts when I know I can just wait for you to show up and say it all better anyway. :D :k

Just thought I'd post these two from the Oscars. it's when PJ won BD.

http://equipoise.teemingmillions.com/oscar/2004Director18.jpg

And I just love this one:

http://equipoise.teemingmillions.com/oscar/2004Director17.jpg

Oh, especially that last of the 2 pictures is priceless, Dangermouse! Thank you. How is it possible *not* to love these people?

And oh! oh! oh! I'm sitting here with a huge grin on my face, having followed this link to a Frodo fan account from the One Party that Ezzie posted over in the Trilogy forum. On the tiny chance that not everyone here reads that forum, do follow this link! Guaranteed to perk you up! And Elijah is there, so it's on-topic and everything!

Again, how is it possible *not* to love these people, joining their fans on the big Oscar night instead of immediately rushing off to party with the Hollywood hotshots?

One Ring Circus (http://home.earthlink.net/~cstaehle/frodooscarparty.html)

Stick horse pics are great (if tiny)! Thanks!

It makes perfect sense to me that PJ & the rest of the hobbits ;) would go to the fan party for a while. The fans, like TORN, are the ones who have stood by him and bolstered him with honest criticism and undimmed enthusiasm and hope for over 5 years, and reacted with enthusiasm (and movie tickets) when the entire entertainment world outside of NZ seemed determined to ignore the movies. In any case, it was a nice gesture. Geez those guys are cute.

~grumpy

Maeglian, thank you for the One Ring Circus link - hah, that perked me up! :)
Dangermouse, wonderful Oscar pictures, thanks :) !

Mariole, thank you for your kind, comforting and wise words. :k
Of course you are right, there's no sense in trying to change someone's mind. But let me use Serena's words (she expressed this so beautiful):

Originally posted by serena
I know this perfectly well, but it still doesn't stop it hurting when people knock Elijah. (I should be - and am - proud that he resonates with me, not ashamed of it as I'm occasionally made to feel!)

Serena, the sharing of your anecdotes had a solacing effect on me. Thank you! :k


Oh, and here's a hug for (((Moondancer))), our Faculty Mercury (messenger of the gods)! Your date research is the best!

Moondancer:
I think that I know what picture you're talking about. I found it on a LJ and it has the warning **may not be work safe.


Thank you, Moondancer! That would be the one. In fact I'd put the cat out, and make sure significant others and cardiac patients are out of the room. :eek: ;)

Saw a terrific quote from Johnny Depp the other day talking about doing the next Pirates of the Carribean. He said something about there being certain characters that you miss, and how he'll be glad to see Captain Jack again.

It reminded me of a couple of things Elijah said about Frodo, how he liked the way the costume smelled because it "smelled like Frodo." And about walking through a field alone back to his trailer, and it being so quiet, and suddenly looking down at his feet and for a moment he "knew what it was to be a hobbit." And then there was an interview I read about a year ago, where he said he really liked the rock band "Stone Roses" because their music "reminds me of Frodo." All of which got me thinking how lucky were are to have had someone who felt a kind of fond connection to Frodo to BE "our" Frodo!

At dinner the other night "Star Trek" came up, and my husband was telling our daughter that at one point Nimoy became so disgusted at constantly being linked to Spock that he wrote "I Am Not Spock." Husband laughed and wondered if Elijah would at some point have to write "I Am Not Frodo." I told him I don't see that in the future. I mean there'd have to an "I Am Not..." chapter for Stu, Mike, Mikey, Jones, Barney, Huck....!

OK, I'm being silly.

Honey!

Narya, thanks for the explanation. Now at last I understand what “subscribe” really means! (OK, there’s probably already an explanation somewhere on this great site.)

Thanks CandyGirl and Honeyelf for admitting to same problem!! :k

Maeg, Dangermouse, wonderful pics! Thank you.

CandyGirl, how extremely cool that you have the same Mini colour scheme as Elijah! :cool: Clearly you are two people of taste and discrimination. :) Ahem – I did think about those colours (except matt black, not sparkly), but went for silver with black roof etc.in the end.
Not sure the sparkly black is available here in Europe, for some reason.
Have had Mini since last May. Love it (apart from having to use both hands to get it into reverse! Slows down the 3-point turns no end).
Did you see the hilarious Mini chase up flights of steps etc. in “The Italian Job”, btw?
Oh, and yes Ma’am, I am, er, over 13. Just ;)

from Mariole:
truly, he is allowed to find EW annoying
Yes, of course he is. That incident was more funny than anything, in the context of all those KD emails! And much as I dislike hearing people say such things about EW, I think I almost understand what it is that annoys him (and others, as he said). It’s probably the emotion on that incredibly expressive face and in the voice, and the gentleness and vulnerability and smallness which the films emphasised so consistently. You may well be right that it’s partly the character of film!Frodo that fails to resonate with those looking for traditional heroes (I remember you mentioning that a lot of people saw Frodo in ROTK as a useless piece of baggage). And sometimes even I wished he’d been allowed/encouraged to show more of the resilience Elijah himself has (oh dear, here we almost go again!). I’m not sure in PC Doctor’s case – maybe one day I’ll steel myself to ask him what he finds annoying and why. But he did quite distinctly say it was EW, not Frodo, be objected to.

It was the other incident in Sydney that upset me, and that was more the context than anything else. I’d been travelling with the people concerned and one at least was a long-standing friend (and still is, despite all) with whom I’d had many discussions about LOTR and with whom I’d seen ROTK in Wellington - a fabulous, emotionally overwhelming experience. Those remarks about EW came as a bolt from the blue – I’d had no idea that either of them felt that way, and coming so soon after what I’d experienced as a mind-blowingly good, not to say extraordinary, performance by Elijah, it was deflating to say the least. Added to which they both smirked for some time afterwards, as if ridiculing both Elijah and me. If I’d been told from the start that that particular friend thought EW a bad actor, it would have been a different matter (people are entitled to their opinions, incomprehensible or not) - and I’d have chosen to see ROTK with someone else.

((((Whiteling))))

Edit: where on earth is Hobmom? Miss her!

{{Serena}} {{Tg}} - Wonderful posts! The notion of the films being trailers for the books is great, Tg, and helps me except them more easily, despite their obvious Frodo failings (no fault of EW's, of course).

Serena, you have my sympathy for your experience with the anti-Frolijahs. Coming unexpectedly as it did must have been especially unpleasant. I admire your tolerant attitude about differing opionions (which of course we must allow for :rolleyes: ). Other than a college roommate who was scathing towards Frodo (in favor of Sam) and someone else who's scathing towards Elijah (and doesn't get Frodo anyway), most of the LOTR fans I know hold both Fro and Lijahfro in high regard :D . Glad you enjoyed your enviable trip to Wellington anyway.

Tg - Re: 'Sword-fondling' (alabaster chest) pics, yes please! if you don't mind too much.

Great discussions, all.

Here's a sketch I just found. It may already be familiar to many but I suppose it's alright to bring it forth again. (It's quite wholesome, btw.)

Quickly dropping in.... I just *had* to post this picture. I don't even know how on topic these are but it does have to do with Elijah and acting so... :rolleyes:

They are from the set of "Radio Flyer."

http://www.imageshack.us/files1/radio3.jpg
http://www.imageshack.us/files1/radio3.jpg

http://www.imageshack.us/files1/radio4.jpg
http://www.imageshack.us/files1/radio4.jpg

Aren't they the most adorable pictures ever seen?

Getting back on topic...
As for you ladies who have to deal with Frodo dissenters, I can only sympathize. On my end, everyone I know, whether or not they are aware of my Elijah fixation, have been praising Elijah for his performance. My mom's first words, bless her, after we watched Return of the King, was "Eliza (yes, that's how she pronounces his name :p) should get nominated for an Oscar. He's acting only with his face and no words!"

posted by hobbityme
Aren't they the most adorable pictures ever seen?
Yep
:)

posted by whiteling
here's a hug for (((Moondancer))), our Faculty Mercury (messenger of the gods)! Your date research is the best!
:k
You give me too much credit but...:) ...thanks!


I haven't encountered any anti-Frolijah reactions from my friends and family yet. Either they're not aware of his existance yet :eek: or they're positive about him).
My friends tend to make fun of the celebs I admire just because they get a kick out of seeing me get all worked up about it. :D
They know that I admire Schumi (Formula 1) but every time they start dissing him, I just have to point to his amazing track record and their faces turn :( , you hear a bit of mumbling and they'll shut up about him.:D

As I said before, my little Godson loves Flipper. He often watches it with his mum. His focus is very much on the dolphin of course, but I noticed that his mother's focus is very much on Flipper's friend.
She's the type who won't admit admiring celebrities because she thinks that this is not what an adult is supposed to do but I see her blushing and she keeps whispering how adorable he is (my Godson agrees with her full heartedly but...bless him...he thinks she's talking about Flipper).
Anyway, a couple of months ago, there was this big news item about the German cannibal (remember him?). She told me about a news report she saw. Apparently, Elijah Wood was on his wish list because that monster finds him adorable (he certainly looks good enough to eat but who imagined that anybody would take that literally??)
While she was telling me about it, her face turned all red :mad: and she said to me: "Adorable? He'd better keep his paws away from him. I find him adorable as well. Luckily they caught him. Can you imagine if he managed to track Elijah down?
This rant of hers was very uncharacteristic of her but I never pointed it out to her that it's not like her to be this protective about a celebrity because it was great to see her reactions.

It would be terrible if something should happend to our
man especilly if he got eaten up
i fell in to tears when i read about the reales on ESOSM
I HAVE TO WAIT TO SEPTEMBER i have so looking forward to March
I was watching and leasenig to the commentery of the cast to
the two towers yesterday and i have to say i just love to
lisening to Elijahs voice, its so soft, intens and his lather comes
from the heart its sounds so real i cant find the right words here
but i just love it.
i just wondering if it is anybody who has the pic on elijah on mount dom that was showing in the oscars that wasent in the
movie i asked before but i now you are busy with other things
so i just asked again if anybody can messeng it to me my
messenger are working now.

and one more thing,why dosent they show clips from the hole
movie for the best pict. as they did for the other movies? not
that i dont like the one they show i just wondering?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :k :k

Maeglian, thanks for bringing the One Ring Circus 'Frodo' link over here. There's far too many lanes at KD to travel down, and I've only got one pony cart. ;) :k

(((wood))) That happens to me sometimes, too, when my computer tells me a post didn't "take" but it really did. All you have to do is click on "edit" at the bottom of the extra post--there are directions at the top of the editing page telling you how to delete the post. You have to click in two places because they don't want you to delete a post by accident. [Edit: I see helpful mod :) in stealth mode ;) got there first, but those are the directions for next time it happens.]

Since it's just a few minutes after your last post (your evening and my morning :) ) thought I'd post this right away in case you were still on line. ---- And, don't worry--when I started on these boards 5 years ago I didn't know any of this stuff. We all have to learn at some time!! (And I'm still learning a lot :rolleyes: !)

The clip on the Oscars showed a brief bit (just a second or two) of Elijah getting make-up put on for the Cracks of Doom scene, then it went to what we see on screen in the movie. So the only new pic was of Elijah, not Frodo ;) . Hope there are a lot of those behind-the-scenes shots on the DVD.

--------------------

hobbityme--Absolutely the cutest ever :) , especially the one with the two "brothers" concentrating so hard on their studies. Evidently someone's personal snapshots, with the date in the corner (very handy for historical purposes :p ). And, as my mother would point out, the kids are probably getting a great education. Her teaching career started in one-room schoolhouses back in the 1930's and she thinks they're still the best learning environment--and she's probably right :) .

Moondancer, thanks for the list of ESOTSM appearances!

OK, this may not be the same as an Oscar...it's even not an award for the movie (it's for the game)

BUT

Elijah Wood has won an "Outstanding Male Performance" award.
:D

March 05, 2004
AIAS unveils interactive nods
By John Gaudiosi

The Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences, the professional organization of the interactive entertainment industry, on Thursday handed out its annual Interactive Achievement Awards. AIAS also honored Peter Molyneux, managing director of Lionhead Studios, with entry into its Hall of Fame for creating such strategy games as "Black & White" and the upcoming "The Movies."

Hollywood actors were honored for the first time at the awards show, which was held at the Palms Casino Resort in Las Vegas. Jada Pinkett Smith and Tara Strong tied for outstanding achievement in character performance, female, for their roles in "Enter the Matrix" and "Final Fantasy X-2," respectively. Elijah Wood may not have garnered an Oscar for his film portrayal of Frodo, but his version of the character in the game "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" took home the award for outstanding male performance.

Source: The Hollywood Reporter (but you've got to register to read it...so, I found the complete article (this quote is just a part of it) on the A&F forum.

CandyGirl, how extremely cool that you have the same Mini colour scheme as Elijah! Clearly you are two people of taste and discrimination. Ahem – I did think about those colours (except matt black, not sparkly), but went for silver with black roof etc.in the end.
Not sure the sparkly black is available here in Europe, for some reason.
Have had Mini since last May. Love it (apart from having to use both hands to get it into reverse! Slows down the 3-point turns no end).
Did you see the hilarious Mini chase up flights of steps etc. in “The Italian Job”, btw?


Hehe! Yes, Lij and I are just two peas in a pod!:D I wish!

Ooh!! You have silver? I LOVE the silver - especially with the black roof! Very classy! There's a silver with black here in the town I live in (small town, so Minis are quite the novalty!) that is absolutely beautiful. It has a vanity tag that says, "Lets Motor"...cute!

Hmmm...wonder why the Cosmos Black isn't available in Europe?

Why does it take both hands to get into reverse?:confused: Mine's an automatic (it had to be since I never learned to drive a manual:rolleyes: ). My automatic can be driven as a 6 speed though, by bumping the gear shift to the right - then you just change the gears with out a clutch (even I can do that!).

I did FINALLY manage to see the "Italian Job" after everyone I know told me I HAD to see it - cause it had 'my' car in it! Great movie!

BTW, since you are over 13, I'll PM you some piccies of the "Lijahmobile"!

Aren't they the most adorable pictures ever seen?


Hobbityme,

Quite possibly, yes! I loves the little kneesessss under the desk! Too adorable!!!:D

Anyway, a couple of months ago, there was this big news item about the German cannibal (remember him?). She told me about a news report she saw. Apparently, Elijah Wood was on his wish list because that monster finds him adorable (he certainly looks good enough to eat but who imagined that anybody would take that literally??)


:eek: :eek: :eek:

WHAT?!? Holy...uhm...something or other!!:eek: Someone wanted to eat our Lijah up - literally? What kind of a freakshow...?!? I am just stunned! I don't remember hearing about this. When did this happen? Thank God they caught that Monster! I mean, I know he's delicious looking...but if someone gobbles him all up, he'll be all gone - and we CAN'T have that!! Again, thank God the guy's caught! Poor Lijah! With all of his other stress, he has to worry about monsters wanting to eat him - really!

(keeps staring in disbelief!):eek:

Elijah Wood has won an "Outstanding Male Performance" award.


Yea!! Go, Lij!! (claps loudly!):D

from Moondancer
Elijah Wood has won an "Outstanding Male Performance" award.
Whahoo! Go, Lij!!! *applause* Thank heavens someone has ... ears that can hear! :D (It's time for that "sound performance" discussion...)

Adorable "Radio Flyer" piccies, hobbityme. Thanks! And naiad, very lovely sketch. Very artistic use of shade! :k

Ezzie said: "Maeglian, thanks for bringing the One Ring Circus 'Frodo' link over here." Mariole says, "Me, too." :)

Re: German cannibal, no never heard of him, thank goodness. So glad they caught him. What a horrible thing. I don't think you have to be celebrity conscious to get worked up over that (I was upset for poor Jodie Foster when she was a target). Some things are plain wrong. And EW appears by all accounts to be a sweetie. Or in this context, perhaps I should say, "Nice fellow." :rolleyes:

As you can imagine, this case caused quite a stir. It happend last year (I think) and the trial took place in January 2004.
You thought Hannibal Lecter a literary character and have to learn, that there are real people who are up to do such horrible things in fact :eek: . (What was new to me was the fact that the cannibal had a wish list)
I've read recently somewhat about a picturisation with Hugh Grant as cannibal and Brad Pitt as victim. I don't know whether there is any truth in this rumour. Brr - it's an unappetising topic, anyway.

Apparently, "Mort, the dead teenager" still hasnt given up the ghost. ;)

Dont know if Elijah would still be interested now though. ( He's mentioned near bottom of article.)

http://comingsoon.net/news.php?id=3788

terribel story this kannibal thing i read about it in papers.
did elijah new about this list or?:( :( :(

Anyway, a couple of months ago, there was this big news item about the German cannibal (remember him?). She told me about a news report she saw. Apparently, Elijah Wood was on his wish list because that monster finds him adorable

Unfortunately people like Elijah attract all kinds of attention, good, bad and ugly. Whether this rumor is true or not is anyones' guess. But I hope he has never heard it. Surely he has enough to cope with, what with rabid fans "grabbing at him and screaming. "

Personally I hope this cannibal's "wish list" was someone's idea of a sick joke, though I suppose it could be something an unremorseful killer probably made up on the spot, and said in a further sadistic bid for attention.

::shudders::

me

honeyelf
i totally agree with you, i hope that this just is a rumar and
that elijah never hade or have to hear about it!!!!
i hope he never have to worry his sweet heade and face
on crasy fans or crasy people in his hold life but that just
is a dream of someone who cares for him:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Cringes!

I never heard about the German cannibal. Were there any news reports about it? Anything online? That is really creepy. Poor Elijah.

BTW there was a news item in The Star, I think, that he has moved back to LA and given up his NY apartment because he said he was never there and hated sending out the rent checks.

But I wonder if his increased celebrity status has drawn out more cuckoos than we ever hear of and he feels better closer to home again. It seems he is much more often followed by security people now, as well.

I'm really, really sorry if the cannibal story upset anybody. :(

I didn't see the news report myself, my Godson's mother told me about it.
Let's hope she misheard it. Maybe, she was thinking about how delicious Elijah looks while she was watching this news report and somehow, both things got mixed up in her head (Although she not the type to invent stuff like that or get things like that mixed up). I asked her if we were both talking about the same Elijah. She pointed to Elijah Wood on the tv screen (my Godson was still watching Flipper). Let me tell you, she was very angry about it and I was too gobsmacked and horrified to get angry at that point.

Don't worry about that monster. He's safely locked up. Besides, his victim was a volunteer (he placed an ad on the internet, asking for a well-built man, who wanted to be eaten up by him).!:eek:
I won't give more details in here because it's an awful story.

Let me just put this caricature of Elijah in here to cheer you up (I hope it works).
http://www.opdebeeck.com/afbeeldingen/karikatuurschetsen/large/wood.jpg
artist: Jan Op De Beeck (www.opdebeeck.com)

Edit: I was just looking at this artist's biography, because his name sounds Flemish.
Man, this really is a very small world. I found this caricature by hazard (through a search engine on the internet) and the artist comes from my home town, gave art classes at one of my old schools and my dad probably knows him.

Originally posted by Narya Celebrian

(((tgshaw))) Thanks for always saying what I'm thinking - it saves me so much time composing lengthy posts when I know I can just wait for you to show up and say it all better anyway. :D :k

Heh. I'm going to second this. I could always count on tg, Maeg or ainon to "cover for me" if I didn't comment on something on the thread, and now there are some new people who do the job as well, if I don't post when I first catch up. I'm often reduced to "me, too" posts unless I somehow hit the thread at a quiet time or have something new to bring in. :p

I didn't think I'd read about the German cannibal, either, until Moondancer mentioned the volunteer aspect. *shudder* Yep, I remember reading about that when he was first hauled in. I once read a fairly scholarly book on human sacrifice through the ages, that was quite interesting until I got to the last chapter and I swear the guy was arguing in favor of the practice. :eek: Up until then I just thought he was very good at discussing the point of view of the people of those times and cultures, but there were a couple of long paragraphs in that last chapter that made me think his understanding was not merely intellectual. :rolleyes: He discussed cannibalism as well, as a sort of subcategory - I wonder if modern cannibals are coming from the same mindset.

If so, it'd make sense he'd want Elijah, because the main underlying theory is that the cannibal wants to take on qualities of the person he's eating. I'm afraid some of the other whack-os Elijah attracts are coming from much the same perspective - they want to "steal" some of Elijah's abilities or ambiance or otherwise absorb or share in whatever it is that makes him what he is. Poor guy.

I confess it'd be fine with me if EW has moved back to LA - not that it probably makes any difference, but somehow I feel safer with him closer to home as well. :p Plus he supposedly went wandering the streets in NY, riding the subways and whatnot, and he's much less likely to do that sort of thing in CA. ;) I do think he's well past the point where he needs to be very aware of his own celebrity and take more precautions, at least for a while. :(

Thanks for that ORC link, Maeg and Ezzie! That and the backstage stuff at the Oscar site make it so very clear how unique the whole group PJ gathered is - they're all just very classy. Polite from the heart, if you follow. I was less impressed with the film editor, but he wasn't rude or anything - he just wasn't as nifty as the long timers. ;) Did you guys see the clip with Ngilla and Richard? (Bet I misspelled her name.) Someone asked a question implying the costumes "overshown" the actors, and both of them stomped on that idea very politely. :) And PJ, recognizing the actors in his acceptance speech... Lovely, just a lovely group of people. Everyone has said it for me, but I'm just so happy about the Oscar sweep - even though I always said Oscars don't matter one way or the other. They aren't really that important (time has not honored many Oscar winners), but OTOH they sure are nice to have! :D

Sheryl

Originally posted by shilohmm
Heh. I'm going to second this. I could always count on tg, Maeg or ainon to "cover for me" if I didn't comment on something on the thread, and now there are some new people who do the job as well, if I don't post when I first catch up. I'm often reduced to "me, too" posts unless I somehow hit the thread at a quiet time or have something new to bring in. :p

Everyone has said it for me, but I'm just so happy about the Oscar sweep - even though I always said Oscars don't matter one way or the other. They aren't really that important (time has not honored many Oscar winners), but OTOH they sure are nice to have! :D Sheryl

Yeah me too ...very useful if RL takes you away for long stretches of time and its really difficult to catch up. Didn't even get to see the oscars, but really REALLY glad they acknowledged LOTR in a way that the BAFTAs didn't. In the UK a lot of the daily newspapers were just plain mean and complained that the LOTR crew winning everything just made the whole thing boring...


I was surprised they didn't put any of the actors up for awards but the cynics in my work colleagues suggested there might be LOTR fatigue, and that technical awards might stand more of a chance if everyone thought they'd already done well with the other two films. I am surprised at EW and andy serkis not being nominated though..:confused:

viola
time to lurk again (promise not to wait a year like Azalea ;) )

I have been in a number of forums over the past 8.5 years, and have discussed everything from the effect that Coca-Cola poured on a pine floor has on "Q-waves", to whether an Immortal sitting on a cow in India was on Holy Ground. Cannibalism is a new one, though. Enough to cause nightmares, it is. Makes Gollum look like Mickey Rooney, it does. Yeesh!

:::: ahem ::::

How 'bout those hobbits??

~grumpy, who wants to go see RotK again but not tonight (I wanna go see Hidalgo, too)

Originally posted by zkgrumpy
~grumpy, who wants to go see RotK again but not tonight (I wanna go see Hidalgo, too)
Have you gotten your hobby horse yet?? :D In his next movie, maybe Viggo won't be playing a man who's loved by his horse ;) -- hmmm... "Brego" "Hidalgo" -- do we see a pattern here :p ?

Kind of seriously, though--If you look just at his pre-LotR roles, could you imagine Viggo as an action hero? Another of those "coincidences"--that someone who steps in at the last moment turns out to be the best swordsman Errol Flynn's teacher has ever trained? I don't know if the guy in Hidalgo uses a sword, but I'll bet Viggo would never have gotten that kind of a part if he hadn't taken on Aragorn. It was probably more fun than most of his previous movies, too (and I think maybe I'm glad he hadn't met Elijah and Dom yet when he was in "Psycho" :eek: ) -- It'll be interesting to see which direction he goes from here.

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I've been giving a hard time to my co-worker who "wants" to go see the movie but hasn't gotten there yet. (This is the same guy who "accidentally" watched the last hour of FotR standing in a video store :rolleyes: ). Every Friday I tell him, "So go see the d--m movie already!" But every Monday he still hasn't gone. The morning after the Oscars, I sent him an email with the picture of everybody up on stage, with the question, "So, have you seen the d--m movie yet?" He wrote back and said, "No, but I wish I had."

This morning I sent him an email "From a Secret Admirer," with one of those pics of Liv looking gorgeous at the Oscars: "Hi, Bronson. Have a nice weekend. XOXO. Liv" -- and beneath the picture: "P.S. So go see my d--m movie already!" Then another Oscars pic of the "four hobbits and a wizard" she's going to send after him if he doesn't, and finally a warning that if that doesn't work she'll "tell Daddy," with a rather angry-looking picture of Elrond.

He said he thought it was so funny that he forwarded it on to some of his friends--so maybe we'll get a few new viewers there this weekend ;) .

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Can you tell I don't really have anything to say :p ?

TG:
This morning I sent him an email "From a Secret Admirer," with one of those pics of Liv looking gorgeous at the Oscars: "Hi, Bronson. Have a nice weekend. XOXO. Liv" -- and beneath the picture: "P.S. So go see my d--m movie already!" Then another Oscars pic of the "four hobbits and a wizard" she's going to send after him if he doesn't, and finally a warning that if that doesn't work she'll "tell Daddy," with a rather angry-looking picture of Elrond.

TG, I am utterly shocked! You didn't send him a picture of angry Frodo saying "Don't make me get my Ring?" :eek: :eek: :D :D :D

Honey!

Tgshaw and others:

This week on MTV TRL:
Friday 3.12
Elijah Wood comes to school us on his new flick 'Eternal Sunshine' & we premiere a hot one from Kanye West.
(www.mtv.com)

Originally posted by honeyelf
TG:


TG, I am utterly shocked! You didn't send him a picture of angry Frodo saying "Don't make me get my Ring?" :eek: :eek: :D :D :D

In my first draft, I had Liv saying that if he didn't go see the movie she'd "sic a hobbit" on him, "and he won't be smiling," with a shot of Frodo's Ring-in-charge face when attacking Sam in Osgiliath. But I decided to take full advantage of the sweetly smiling pic of Liv by bringing "Daddy" into it. Now, if he doesn't see the movie this weekend, she'll start sending those hobbits and wizard after him... ;) (In fact, after reading your post, I'm sorely tempted to have a warning waiting for him Monday morning--along the lines of "You did see the d--m movie, didn't you?" :p and an angry Fro could be very useful for that.)

Thanks for the MTV notice, Moondancer. As I don't have cable, I won't be seeing that one, but if anyone else does, a report would be very, very nice :) :) :) .

Hello all.

Firstly, Moondancer - Thanks for the ESOTSM TV programmes listings. In the UK we are a day behind with Jay Leno - I checked and Elijah's episode airs here on Thursday 11th March at 10pm. The Conan O'Brien show should be on here, too, but I can't see Elijah's appearance listed yet. I'll keep looking.

I had heard about the cannibal, though it's quite horrifying to think that Elijah's name could have been on a wish-list! It's almost beyond belief that someone could even contemplate doing anything like that - and more unbelievable is that someone would volunteer themselves as a victim! Honey, wood, I agree with you both when you say you hope any reference to Elijah was someone's idea of a sick joke, and that Elijah himself is blissfully unaware of it.

On a lighter note - I LOVED the stick-pony story with Elijah and Dom.:) Silly boys!!! I would call them hobby-horses too. I remember the time (just) when I would gallop around at full pelt myself on one of those things. Now I might manage a trot - even a slow canter - but my galloping days are definitely over!

Tg - Loved your e-mail to your colleague. Very funny. :)

Serena, sorry to hear about your friends criticising Elijah - it's bad enough to hear film critics and professionals discounting his talent, but when your friends start doing it??? My hubby, family and friends usually just tease me about my loving LOTR and Elijah so much, but they have never said a bad word about his acting ability. Not that it would change my opinion of him, anyway. I think he's wonderful, and that's all that matters. It's so lovely to have this place to come and talk to other like-minded people!:)

Prim, Viola - great to see you. Hobmom, too - where have you been?

I can't go without leaving a little something for you all.

I've been looking at a couple of the ROTK documentaries that have been on here over the past few weeks. Do you all remember those still pics deluby posted a while back of Elijah, Dom and Billy in costume stooping in front of a smial, and Elijah stands up as they all start laughing? Luckily that clip was in one of the specials that I managed to tape, so I thought I'd do a gif for those of you who may not have seen it as a moving image - Maeg, I'm thinking of you.

Here's the link:

3 Hobbits (http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/3hobbits.gif)

Enjoy!

Blossom, thank you! :k

So bizarre. He looks like Frodo up until the point where he slaps Merry's hand and they all laugh. Suddenly *poof* it's grinning Elijah. *head spins*

Love the costumes, but I'll let the experts speak to that. (Ah, if you could only see what I'm wearing... :eek: )

Thanks, all, for the ESOTSM info. I hope that the trailer of necessity is simply focusing on the main characters, and that Elijah's part isn't too small!

Viola -- sigh. Wishing EW had been nominated also. But then, with both Sean Penn "due" and the other competition in that category, statistics say that as a young, first-time nominee he would certainly have lost. I think it might have been rather hard to have EW be the only one not to win on the otherwise clean sweep.

Moondancer, here's another caricature I like (attached):

that one was funny blossom wondering what they
laughing about,i gues it has to do with elijah toughing doms
hand?
its amasing how his face shifts from frodo to elijah just as
quick as you snapp you fingers

is there anybody who knows if elijah have a adress were his
fans can write to him?:D :D

That's a brilliant caricature, Mariole.:)

OK, maybe this is old news for some of you but, I found this snippit in an interview with Brittany Murphy (who?):
It will be intriguing to see Murphy’s next move. She says she will continue to pick character parts, but before that she’s playing the lead again, in Little Black Book, opposite Sex And The City’s Ron Livingston. Meanwhile, she’s doing more voice work (Murphy got her schooling voicing Luanne in King Of The Hill) in Happy Feet, a musical featuring Nicole Kidman, Elijah Wood, Hugh Jackman and a Beatles soundtrack.
Hugh Jackman and Nicole Kidman? Not bad.
And...if that wasn't enough: a Beatles soundtrack? Excellent :)
This project is beginning to sound good to me.
(source: http://www.sundayherald.com/40343)

Blossom, thank you! Thank you! :) What a lovely gif and what wonderful costumes!

Among the many things that I hope make it into the extended Edition of RotK, a scene with the 4 hobbits returning to the Shire, where one gets to see those costumes, is one I'm hoping for. It's a pity, really, with all the work that went into that, and we don't get to see them at all.....

Here's what Ngila Dickson has to say about Frodo's costume in that gif, in the book "The art of RotK":

"Frodo's and Sam's costumes for this scene represented clothing gifted to the hobbits from the elves, to honour their heroism and send them home in grand manner. Much experimentation went into these fabrics. [ ] We had been working in quite complex overdye techniques, looking for lush colour with an antique quality. We carried this idea even further by using a bleach paste to create the design in velvet. It is a very difficult medium, with many attempts needed to get close to an even result. However, in this case, its very unevenness worked for us, helping to create the sense of jewel-like colouring and faded grandness. The beautiful green and purple colours used in these costumes were perfect for Frodo, with those exceptional eyes."

No wonder I want this to be *seen * in the film! All that creative work, craftsmanship and artistry!

I enjoy the "art of..." books very much, they really bring home the immense creativity and wonderful artistic quality that went into making every single aspect of the films, as well as the development of ideas, costumes, scenery, creatures, weaponry, etc. etc. over time. I do think they focus too little on the costumes, though - I'd wish they'd publish a book focusing solely on those, with lots of illustrations and pictures.


Viola, nice to see you! :)


Sorry, Wood, I don't know where one can send letters to Elijah Wood.....


Uhm.... I have a couple of things I'd really like to see. If anyone has these, or could point me in their direction on the net, I'd be grateful!

One is a comparison of two pictures; - of the 4 hobbits up on stage as PJ accepts the Best Picture Oscar (where Elijah's gor tears in h is eyes) and a cap from the scene they kept using to represent the film at the Oscar, of the four hobbits being honoured by the assembled Gondorians, Rohirrim and elves at the coronation. Wasn't there a striking similarity there?

And the other is that little clip they used to introduce RotK makeup at the Oscars, of Elijah having makeup put on for the CoD scene.

Hey, there's a great article about the overlooking of ROTK in the 'supporting actor' category this year:

Here's a couple of paragraphs from the article:
All the nominees gave effective performances, especially Djimon Hounsou. But didn't anyone consider the primary supporting actors (not all 25,000 of them) in "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King"?

Four outstanding actors from "The Return of the King" were not nominated: Ian McKellen as Gandalf, Elijah Wood as Frodo, Sean Astin as Sam Gamgee and Andy Serkis as Smeagol/Gollum.

Remove these actors from "The Return of the King" and the result is a lesser movie. I agree that "The Return of the King" is best-defined as an ensemble piece. It won 11 major awards including Best Picture, Best Director and Best Adapted Screenplay and a pile of technical awards.

McKellen as Gandalf the wizard, Wood as Frodo the hapless but heroic hobbit with the burden of saving Middle Earth, Astin as hobbit Sam, Frodo's best friend, and the incomparable Serkis as Smeagol/Gollum, created unforgettable characters.

Wood and Astin had great chemistry. The unwavering friendship they created between Frodo and Sam was realistic and touching, especially when Sam tells Frodo about his burden, the ONE ring that he must destroy, "I can't carry it for you, Mister Frodo. But I can carry you." He ain't heavy, he's my brother.

<snip>
But, take heart Tolkien fans, awards aren't everything. It's the journey that counts.


I have seen a couple of stupid articles, written by (IMO) clueless people, about the Oscars and the ROTK sweep but this is a good one:
Find the entire article: here (http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/entertainment/8110050.htm) (Bradenton Herald - 03/07)

An article about ESOTSM:
Along with Carrey and Winslet, "Eternal Sunshine" also features Kirsten Dunst and hobbit hero Elijah Wood; together they've starred in seven of the 30 highest-grossing movies ever made. But each took a pay cut for this $27 million oddity—all because of two men: Gondry, a trailblazing music-video director, and Charlie Kaufman, the Oscar-nominated author of "Being John Malkovich" and "Adaptation."
http://msnbc.msn.com (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4467482/)

Originally posted by Maeglian
Blossom, thank you! Thank you! :) What a lovely gif and what wonderful costumes!

Among the many things that I hope make it into the extended Edition of RotK, a scene with the 4 hobbits returning to the Shire, where one gets to see those costumes, is one I'm hoping for. It's a pity, really, with all the work that went into that, and we don't get to see them at all.....
These would be the costumes they're wearing when they ride by Mr. Proudfoot, correct? I'd definitely love to see more of them!

Thanks for the gif, Blossom :) . I'm one who hadn't had a chance to see it in motion. And, yes, wood, I think the laughing has to do with the way Elijah's touching (stroking) Dom's hand, which isn't as easy to catch in the stills. Not terribly Frodo-like ;) . (I wonder if Elijah'd be able to do something like that without breaking character, or if it would just pull him too far out of Frodo's mindset?)

Uhm.... I have a couple of things I'd really like to see. If anyone has these, or could point me in their direction on the net, I'd be grateful!

One is a comparison of two pictures; - of the 4 hobbits up on stage as PJ accepts the Best Picture Oscar (where Elijah's gor tears in h is eyes) and a cap from the scene they kept using to represent the film at the Oscar, of the four hobbits being honoured by the assembled Gondorians, Rohirrim and elves at the coronation. Wasn't there a striking similarity there?
You can find the Best Picture shot several times (from a couple of different angles) on the rather giddy pages 17-18 of the Oscars thread :) : http://www.khazaddum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2327&perpage=25&pagenumber=17

The notation "Doesn't this look familiar?" is added a couple of times, but as far as I can see no one actually posted the pic from the movie. Can't help at all on the second wish, I'm afraid.

----I've been working on the Faramir & Ring caps, but have reached a point now where, between the position of the (real) sun and the darkness of the (filmed) scene, it's too difficult to see what I'm doing, so will have to finish up in the evening. I love the sunlight that floods this apartment on a bright winter day, but it does limit computer time :p (which maybe isn't entirely a bad thing). When the sun gets a bit farther west, I won't even be able to see the screen well enough to post.

Which maybe needs a brief explanation of my moving/expanding (which, of course, has come to a standstill so far this weekend :rolleyes: ), since it does have some effect on my computer/online life. I desperately needed more room, so was putting in a claim to a one-bedroom apartment in the building next-door (owned by the same people) that they're having to completely redo since it was gutted by fire last fall. The building's older and the apartments smaller than in the building I'm living in now, but a one-bedroom there would be a little bigger than my current studio apartment, and a little more expensive.

But I finally got the guts to ask for what I've wanted since I moved in here 7 years ago (and can now afford, which I couldn't then). That's to rent both my current apartment and the studio next to it; the door placement of the two makes it easy to see that they made up a "suite" of offices before the floor was turned into apartments. We actually worked something out with a rent that's far enough below the combined separate rent of the two apartments that I can handle it. The rent's somewhat higher than the one-bedroom in the older building, but I have lots more room and I don't have to give up my winter sunshine :) , which is very important to me!! I'm in the process of making the second room into my "office"--moving books, etc., in there. Eventually I want to move the computer in there, but will have to see what the phone company would want (money-wise) to hook up a connection in there, since it's considered a separate residence.

Now, "normal" people would think this is crazy and I should have moved into a one-bedroom, as with two studios I still don't have a private bathroom or an actual kitchen. But, not being known to have a noticeable case of "normality," it's a perfect set-up for me, which I finally succeeded in explaining well enough to the management that they let me sign a one-year lease on the arrangement. I really do think it's going to be a great set-up, although there's still a lot of work to do--the fact that I'm already paying rent on both rooms gives me a bit of incentive to make use of them.

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Finally, Moondancer, thanks for the update on Happy Feet. I was relieved to see a current article about the movie, because I did have some fears of what might happen to it in the midst of the Pixar/Disney breakup. Hugh Jackman's involvement and the Beatles' soundtrack are news to me, too--I always had some trust in the project, because Pixar was involved, but it does sound better all the time... :)

Edit: And thanks for the quotes and links in your latest post. The one article kind of points out the problem with the acting nominations--if the four they suggested had been nominated, that would have left, what, one supporting actor slot for someone from any other movie? Even as well-deserved as it would have been, Hollywood just isn't going to operate that way. My favorite quote on that situation, I think, is still the morning-after remark from Joel Siegel (ABC's movie critic, whom I've long respected as a good, objective reviewer) that the lack of acting nominations for RotK wasn't the fault of the actors; it was the fault of the Academy for not having a best ensemble category. I'll add my own comment that it wouldn't have been unprecedented for the Academy to have given the cast a special award made just for the occasion--it wouldn't have been a "real" Oscar, but would have been an acknowledgement of a cast that simply was too good to be recognized in the usual way.

Thank goodness for SAG--that award should silence any critics (but, of course, won't :rolleyes: ).

Blossom :k, thank you SO much for that gif! A perfect little illustration of hobbit behaviour. Maybe we should write a(nother) hobbit anthropology textbook ;) .

Talking of which (sorry to repeat this, Candy :)) some shots of the four of them at the Oscars remind me of The Blues Brothers, what with Sean’s shades and the dark suits ’n ties ‘n all. Especially as they were crying, or nearly, for much of the ceremony! Elwood isn’t called Elwood for nothing. So I’m attaching a VERY amateurish shot of my TV screen, taken while the VHS tape of the BBC post-Oscar reportage was on pause. Reflected flash included. Hope all you screencap geniuses will forgive the appalling quality. (There is a way to link my digital camera direct to the TV set, apparently, but I seem to lack the requisite cable right now)

And oh, those Return to the Shire costumes …. Can’t wait!!

Moondancer, thanks for all this great info you keep coming up with! :)

Tg, congrats on your two-apartment arrangement with winter sunshine thrown in! You’re right - that’s very important. Sounds like an ideal set-up. Hope you’re very happy in your new double abode :)

naiad, thanks for the kind words.
Meant to say ages ago how much I liked your Shakespeare proposal for Elwood, and not just because I want to see him in tights. No, really. I’ve said before I think he would make a great stage actor, and Shakespeare would really stretch him in that direction. (Was about to say I’d give my right arm to see him appear with the Royal Shakespeare Company, but had better keep it in the light of recent revelations - not that Armin the German cannibal would want it anyway.)

And while (reluctantly) on the topic of murderers/absorbers of personal essence, did anyone else see a rumour that Orlando Bloom of all people has been tipped to play Grenouille in “Perfume”? Directed by, of all people, Franka’s ex Tom Tykwer? Very very strange – particularly in the light of our discussion last year of Elijah playing that role (hard as it would be to make him as ugly as would be required – I honestly think Orlando’s face, if not his size, would fit that role better. Erm, not because Orlando is in any way ugly, but making Elijah’s eyes look dead really would be near impossible).
Who was it started that discussion? Can’t remember ….

zkgrumpy, this is WAY off topic, but I can't help wondering what effect Coca-Cola poured on a pine floor does have on Q-waves …. OK, don’t feel you have to answer that ……

Edit: Welcome back, Hobmom! :k

Blossom -thanks for the moving link - it's beautiful! I couldn't stop watching it.

But Tg, re: the way Elijah's touching (stroking) Dom's hand, which isn't as easy to catch in the stills. Not terribly Frodo-like
I thought the stroking WAS Frodo-like - intensely so! Elijah's deeply pensive and tender expression while he's doing it evoked Frodo immediately - probably why I found it so riveting. Even the sudden laugh and hand-slap, and graceful rising (in that lovely-fitting jacket and cloak) seemed entirely Frodo - sort of quietly commanding, like something that might have happened post quest, or even pre-quest at CrickHollow.

Apparently, Elijah Wood is going to be a guest on the GMA show on march 12th

(am not too sure about it. I read this somewhere and I saw no confirmation on the official GMA site)


I visited some friends yesterday and I noticed that they had 'Oliver Twist' in their videotape collection, so...naturally...I borrowed it.
I don't know if it's necessary to put up spoilers (everybody knows the story) but...better play it safe:

*** Possible Spoilers Oliver Twist ***



I think that the most famous film version is the David Lean version.
Erm...what can I say about this Disney version?

First of all, Oliver:
I hate to criticise kids but the boy playing Oliver badly needed acting lessons. He was really bad.
Oliver's supposed to be this cute kid, didn't have a good childhood until that point but he was still this innocent and good person. You're supposed to feel really sorry for him when he's enlisted in Fagin's gang.
Well, this Oliver annoyed me. That actor just said his lines with a minimum amount of emotion.

Fagin. The prosthetic nose was not very convincable and OTT. It made me look at the hook in his nose everytime he was on screen instead of noticing Richard Dreyfus's acting skills (this is really not one of his best efforts). Alec Guinness was a fantastic Fagin in the Lean version, IMO. I normally like Richard Dreyfus and he's not bad, but I have a feeling that he could have done a lot better with a better script, better director,...

Bill Sikes: not scary enough (but maybe he is to kids watching this movie)

The Artful Dodger:
On amazon.com, a custumer wrote in a review that 'Elijah Wood redeems this film. Every scene without Wood is a wasted one, even if his accent keeps slipping'.
The Artful Dodger is usually the most fun part of Oliver Twist. It's a very popular role in musicals,...
Elijah does some very good things in it and he brings his charisma and charm into the role.
I would have liked to see a darker edge to the role, a more jaded Artful Dodger (after all, he's been living the tough life long enough), but I suppose that Disney doesn't really do 'dark and edgy'.

This movie is a missed opportunity and a waste of money (in my opinion, anyway). If you like the story, go with the David Lean version (or read the book of course :p )
The Artful Dodger had the potential to be a great role for Elijah but he wasn't given enough to work with and the fact that he had to play opposite an awful Oliver didn't help.
His accent was indeed not very good (even I could hear that), but that probably does not annoy me as much as native speakers. When a Dutch person tries to speak with a Flemish accent, I'm aware of every little detail and I'm a very tough critic when his or her accent slips but it does not really bother me as much in other languages.



*** End Possible Spoilers Oliver Twist ***

Moondancer - interesting thoughts on 'Oliver Twist.' This is one Elijah film I have yet to see - I'm working my way through them, though.

Just a flying visit really, to drop a couple of things off for you, Maeg: (Sorry the quality isn't brilliant!)


http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/4hobbits.jpg

and:

Oscar makeup gif (http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/Makeup.gif)

Wood, I'm sure I saw you asking for the makeup clip somewhere, too.

Anyway, enjoy.

Bye.

thank you so much for the gif blossom!! its amasing to see
i so want to see the movie again!!!
what a yoy for this mackupartist to have to work so close to
elijah for so long i wish i could have been in there clothes or
fingertips just to tough his skin (sorry get carryd away again)
anyway i think they are proffecinal on this matter do you think they are thinking about the buetiful face they are working with?

i guess this is old but i saw flipper the other day and speaking
about the tan thing his got a tan in this movie and i think his hair
looks like it is slightly red or is just the sun or maybe my eyes
who plays tricks with me? anyway i think he looks great in this
movie too as, always!!

:cool: :cool: :cool:

Blossom :) :k thank you SO MUCH for
- the costume/smial gif
- the comparison hobbits
- and the make-up gif
... it's spooky to see our dear Frolijah turning almost seamlessly into the DDL.



Originally posted by serena
And while (reluctantly) on the topic of murderers/absorbers of personal essence, did anyone else see a rumour that Orlando Bloom of all people has been tipped to play Grenouille in “Perfume”? Directed by, of all people, Franka’s ex Tom Tykwer? Very very strange – particularly in the light of our discussion last year of Elijah playing that role (hard as it would be to make him as ugly as would be required – I honestly think Orlando’s face, if not his size, would fit that role better. Erm, not because Orlando is in any way ugly, but making Elijah’s eyes look dead really would be near impossible).

Serena, there was an article in the German "Focus" magazin about this. Tykwer has already written the screenplay of "Perfume" (in cooperation with Andrew Birkin, one of the persons in charge for the screenplay of Jean-Jacques Annaud's film adaptation of Umberto Eco's "The Name of the Rose" - hey, that's a good sign) and it was reported that the shooting will take place this very year. It's still unconfirmed that the film starres Orlando Bloom as Grenouille. I agree, it's very odd. Orlando :confused: - who's the brain behind this? Grenouille is such a supremely abdominable character I feel quite a lack of ideas who on earth could portray him.
(Info in German here (http://www.moviefans.de/a-z/p/parfum/) and here (www.tykwer.regiecut.de))


Moondancer, I enjoyed your Oliver Twist review. Made me curious. :)

I hate to post too much in here but...found casting news:

SIN CITY

We received an anonymous email with rumors about the Frank Miller adaptation which revealed some casting tidbits. "First thing I can tell you is that this movie is going to be bigger than any of Robert [Rodriguez]'s other movies, with talent involved ... way bigger than 'Once Upon A Time' ... I was also told that everyone's names are going to be released this week ... Everyone WANTS to be in this movie ... that's the only reason I'm giving the heads up ... Josh Hartnet IS cast in the movie, along with Elijah Wood. Michael Douglas has been asked to be in it, which is looking like its going to happen."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=3364
Sin City? Doesn't ring any bells.


While I'm at it:
Blossom: :) Thanks for the gifs.
Whiteling and Serena: :eek: Er...I thought that Orlando Bloom was an excellent Legolas but...Grenouille? Nope, can't see it but maybe he can surprise me. :)
Patrick Süskind's novel is very famous. I liked it a lot: it's original and has a very different athmosphere. I bet that a lot of actors wouldn't mind being part of the movie.

ETA about ESOTSM:
* Ebert and Roeper gave ESOTSM two thumbs up.
* AICN has another very fine review of the movie:
But the thing that most surprised me was the solid work done by the supporting cast. Kirsten Dunst does her best stuff here since Virgin Suicides, and Elijah Wood is *perfectly* cast. Tom Wilkinson and Mark Ruffalo (why isn't he in more films??) are great as always... their storylines were a complete surprise to me, as nothing of it is indicated by the trailers or promotion. They really shine here and deserve a lot of credit... Dunst particuarly. I've been annoyed by her recently with her sleepwalking as Mary Jane and Mona Lisa Smile, but she redeems herself here playing a smaller yet crucial role that affects every character.

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Another of those "coincidences"--that someone who steps in at the last moment turns out to be the best swordsman Errol Flynn's teacher has ever trained?

Hee hee hee...that's a "Gotcha"!! :)

Bob Anderson has been saying that about darned near everyone he's trained for the past 10 years (the good ones, anyway). He was swordmaster on first season of Highlander in '92 -'93 and said the same thing about Adrian Paul (not far off there - Adrian is a *great* swordsman and we owe Highlander a considerable debt for "sword-consciousness" and great swordmasters that has a lot of sword movies popular over the past 10 years. ) He also trained Antonio Banderas for Zorro and said exactly the same thing about him. Personally, I think he has a recorded message ;D

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Speaking of swords, I was watching one of the extras on one of the movies - FotR theatrical, maybe, and they had a section about Bob A. and sword training, and there was Elijah, sword in hand, mixing it up with the best of them. One of the hobbits, I think, said that he's like a cat - I believe it. He'd make a really good swordsman - quick on his feet and graceful. He looked *really* good.

I was watching the end of FotR last night - scene on the riverbank where he sets his jaw and pushes the boat out and jumps in it. He really *is* graceful.

I figured out who he reminds me of in that sword practice clip - Did you ever see the old, silent Zorro movie with Douglas Fairbanks Sr.? If not, it's worth seeing. DF, Sr. was not a real big guy but he was incredibly agile and graceful (plus darned handsome!). Elijah reminds me a lot of him.

Too bad The Lad didn't get to use the sword practice. :(

Great pics, btw! It certainly brightens the ol' Monday morning!

~grumpy (it's a pretty sad observation on the past 10 years that when I saw Eowyn running her hand along her sword blade, my reaction was "DON'T DO THAT! YOU'LL GET FINGERMARKS ON IT! GET THE CLOVE OIL! QUICK!", and when Theoden pulled his magnificent sword from its scabbard, all I could think was "Now *LOOK* at all those fingermarks! Don't you guys know that they leave permanent marks?!? WD-40 - STAT!")

::: hoping nobody notices this waaaaay down in the sig part :::zkgrumpy, this is WAY off topic, but I can't help wondering what effect Coca-Cola poured on a pine floor does have on Q-waves …. OK, don’t feel you have to answer that …… They used to pour Coca-Cola on the pine floor of the Dojo set in Highlander so the actors wouldn't slip during swordfights. Since the Q-waves were always different, the theory was that the coca-cola affected the Q-waves.

Thanks so much for that gif, Blossom! The funny part is, I don't remember seeing that at all on the Oscar telecast. There was so much going on and so much screaming at the TORn party every time we won something, I think I missed half the show. Then I returned home to find that my VCR had not taped -- the date on it was (mysteriously) 2/29/08! Luckily, someone volunteered to copy their tape for me.

So -- interesting news about Sin City. We know that Lij loved working with Robert Rodriguez and he (Robert) tends to use the same cast (or much of it -- I think Salma Hayek is in every one of his movies) every time. It will be kind of cool to see Lij with Josh Hartnett again. But anyway, if this works out, that makes a lot of upcoming movies on Lij's plate -- YAY! Funny what being in an Oscar-winning film will do for you -- obviously, they didn't win any of those awards because of his acting (dripping with sarcasm)...oh no, preciousss, they couldn't have....

Speaking of which -- interesting too that almost every clip shown of ROTK on the Oscars show featured Elijah. To me, it was almost like New Line was rubbing his lack of a nomination in their faces -- GO THEM!

Originally posted by zkgrumpy
Bob Anderson has been saying that about darned near everyone he's trained for the past 10 years (the good ones, anyway).[
:o ...comes from not paying attention to movies in general or TV much at all... (But maybe he's right, and each one gets better ;) ?)


Oliver Twist spoilers






Moondancer, I completely agree about "the kid who played Oliver"--IMHO it almost became more of the Dodger's story than Oliver's because it was just too hard to feel emotional about the kid. When he finally does get emotional at the end of the movie--angry, when trying to claim his locket--it almost seems unnatural because of how unemotional he's been throughout. (Now, the kid who plays him all-too-briefly at six years old is a cute little dickens :) ).

Elijah's Artful Dodger is absolutely, definitely, no doubt about it, a Disney version of the character. In comparing the movie to the book, what they seem to have done (IMHO) is combine the Artful Dodger with another character (I don't remember his name) who's older, more sympathetic, and actually goes straight at the end of the story. The Dodger, OTOH, is about Oliver's age (a tad older), and remains resolutely and proudly criminal--and hard-edged--to the end. I think the Disney folks would have had a hard time showing someone like that as having any "good" in him at all.

This combination of characters, IMVHO, gave Elijah's Dodger a bit of a split personality--I wondered why he didn't go straight at the end of the movie when he had the chance. Nothing of Elijah's fault, of course. In fact, his acting, I think, makes the idea more plausible that this is a kid who, even as young as he is, has given up on having a different kind of life for himself and wants Oliver to have the chance he didn't--a tragic figure who shows a cheerful face to his "public."

Definitely needed better directing. It's one of those movies where, IMO, you can start to see some of Elijah's potential peeking out in a few scenes where I think his acting goes beyond what he's given by the script and, probably, by the direction.






End of Oliver Twist spoilers


Edit: Geesh--You wouldn't think I'd forget to post this, after spending a good part of the weekend on it, but I did... Here's the scene with Faramir and the Ring. Now, I'm hoping for some help on this one, as it's one of the scenes in TTT that makes the least sense to me. What's Frodo and what's the Ring?? :confused:

http://www.frodolivesin.us/id232.htm

One brief comment on that scene, tg -- that's where the shots of Gollum!Frodo (GoFrodo? GoFrolijah?) were supposed to be inserted -- right when Faramir is watching Frodo cower into that little nook (and it's a similar body posture to when Gollum is holding himself and rocking after Faramir's men beat him). So my guess is that what you're seeing is a combination of the Ring and it's effect on Frodo, not purely one or the other.

Ah, I was so worried just after LOTR about the dearth of roles for dear EW I’m so glad there are so many rumours flying about now. So far we’ve got ESOTSM, Hooligan/The Yank, Sin City, that Italian saint biopic and Everything is Illuminated. They all sound pretty cool – fairly indie and off-kilter but intellectual too (apart from the Italian one, which because it does seem to stick out, maybe is the one that’ll turn out to be only a rumour).

TG, is it to early to bid for a ROTK analysis? I love love love that weird series of expressions Frodo gets in Shelob’s cave just before/after he says ‘I’m sorry Sam’. I plan to do my own analysis (coff coff) once I get the DVD! I love your analyses, BTW.

The AICN’s comment on EW being perfectly cast is interesting, compared to this one from another review:

http://www.movie-vault.com/archive/cgi-bin/list.pl?action=moviereview&movieid=prBQBxnvCbGvkmBB

Elijah Wood seems bizarrely miscast in a role that seems written for someone older and less hobbit-like.

This really pisses me off. Dammit, he isn’t a hobbit, he just played one! But if you think that the same reviewer says

Kirsten Dunst is again attractive and appealing in her own little ugly way.

Ugly?! Anyway I can accept that EW can, and has been miscast, but I don’t think this reviewer’s opinion in this case can hold much water. :rolleyes:

(Actually, I can forgive him, because he does say nice things about EW in his FOTR review: 'Elijah Wood as Frodo too gives the best performance of his career in what most consider the central character in the story; Wood is so convincing on screen it is hard to believe this is only a story.' Clearly TOO convincing for some people. :D )

Wow! Things are moving quickly in here!

First, another huge :k to Blossom for the comparison pics and the makeup gif. Thank you! Isn't it almost too strange to be believed, how Real Life seemingly imitates Art with the four hobbit actors at Peter Jackson's coronation as compared to the four hobbits at Aragorn's coronation? Elijah almost has a Frodo-like look there at the Oscars, even. I do wonder if it was the same people who orchestrated that the attending non-presenting LotR actors would be the 4 hobbits, and who chose the "you bow to noone" clip to present the movie several times during the show.


And the makeup clip! What Wood said - I wouldn't be surprised if it was considered one of the makeup artists' real job perks to be Elijah's makeup artist. :) Probably not the *greatest* challenge in LotR - well, yet, - maybe *that*, too. There's such a distinct difference to his face in FotR, TTT and RotK, respectively, that it is worth an analysis in its own right. Obviously the makeup artists completely knew what they were doing in going from that apple-cheeked happy youth at the beginning of FotR via pale, frightened and determined at the end of FotR to the pinched, stressed-out and near-desperate decisionmaker in TTT, and finally the tormented, haunted, dirty, exhausted and starved DDL of RotK.


Moondancer, thanks for the Oliver Twist review! I totally agree with you concerning the kid who played Oliver. Compare Elijah's Huck Finn locked in the cabin with his crazy drunken murderous father in "Huck Finn", and Oliver Twist alone with murderous desperate Bill Sykes in "OT", and you see the difference between a kid who really can act and one who doesn't really get, nor manages to communicate, the drama of the scene he's involved in.

I do like Elijah's Artful Dodger despite the inconsistencies. The accent cracks me up big time, and he's so.... charming!


Sin City....... Anyone know what it is about? ImdB has absolutely no other info than that it's "Action/Crime/Drama/Thriller".


Whiteling, thanks for the links to the two German articles. I love practicing my German. :) Both the producer and the director are German, it seems, well ,- I know Tom Tykwer is, anyway. His films that I've seen have been in German too. But this one would have to be in English, if Orlando is being cast? I do think that's a strange choice, though. I can't really see OB as Grenouille at all. But if they could turn Charlize Theron into her role in "Monster", who knows what they can do to Orlando....? Does he have the acting chops for it, though? I'd have thought Elijah would have been better in that role, since it does require so much to be shown through his posture and facial expressions alone. Unless Film!Grenouille is supposed to keep up a constant verbal narration concerning what exactly he's smelling and what it makes him feel.......


Tg, thanks for the caps. That "Ring/sword freak-out at HA" scene has never been one of my favourites, I must admit :o, maybe the analysis here will make me appreciate it more. :)


Grumpy, not quite certain if I understand the Coca-Cola and pine floor story in full, but when did *that* deter me?? :o It instantly reminded me of a funny story related in "The making of Pride and Prejudice" (The wonderful BBC TV series with Jennifer Ehle and Colin Firth). They were filming a dance in one of the expensive rented mansions, and someone had polished the wooden floor just before, so every actor slithered about like on an ice rink. Desperately the film crew tried to scrub the polish off, but to little avail, so then they poured coca-cola on the floor and spread it about. All the actors then went back on the floor in their dainty slippers, and stuck fast to the floor like glued! :D


Random, I'm quite afraid that whenever a critic is going to complain about Elijah's casting in something in future, the phrase "hobbit-like" is likely going to pop up as some sort of negative. I remember it was also used in reviewers' complaints about EJW's perceived miscasting in "Ash Wednesday".

Originally posted by Random
TG, is it to early to bid for a ROTK analysis? I love love love that weird series of expressions Frodo gets in Shelob’s cave just before/after he says ‘I’m sorry Sam’.
Only trouble with RotK analyses is that I don't have the DVD--which makes things a bit difficult ;) . I agree that's a really interesting scene--hard for me to watch at times.

Maeg--It's not one of my favorite scenes, either... Although it does have one brave-Fro moment I especially like, before the Ring starts acting up:

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/TTT/Faramir-10.jpg


'...Wood is so convincing on screen it is hard to believe this is only a story.' Clearly TOO convincing for some people. :D )
I'm sure that for quite some time there will be people who don't think EJW can play anything but a hobbit--just like five years ago there were people who didn't believe he could play a hobbit.

But I'm not too inclined to worry about a reviewer who can call Kirsten Dunst ugly, even in an "attractive" way... :rolleyes: The same reviewer seems to take both sides on how "noticeable" the director should be, and even on whether the movie makes basic sense. Better give the poor dear some time to get things sorted out ;) .

Originally posted by Maeglian
Both the producer and the director are German, it seems, well ,- I know Tom Tykwer is, anyway. His films that I've seen have been in German too. But this one would have to be in English, if Orlando is being cast?

Maeglian, just a quick completion - yes, Bernd Eichinger (the producer of "Perfume") is German and he's the BIG BOSS of the big production company "Constantin Film".
Have you seen Tom Tykwer's first film, "Die tödliche Maria" (Deadly Maria), coincidentally? Very creepy atmosphere, closely related to the sort of atmosphere a Jean-Baptiste G. requires.
In 2002 Tykwer made an film in Italian/English with Cate Blanchett called "Heaven" (haven't seen that one).


Tg, great screenshots :) !

Blossom, THANK YOU for yet another beautiful gif!

Whiteling, many thanks for the links to the "Perfume" articles (partly the same text, I see). Um, I too have great difficulty seeing Orlando as Grenouille - except for his facial features, which might possibly fit if heavily made up (sorry, Orlando my dear! ;)). But I think the acting challenge would stretch him to the limit. Have yet to see evidence of Orlando's ability to play non-bland non graceful-action-hero roles.

Talking of makeup, did anyone else wish that Arwen's throughout ROTK, and Frodo's in the GH scene, had been a bit less trowel-like - i.e. had actually let their skin show through? You could actually see the thick white powder on both of them. Ditto Frodo's makeup in his cart scene at the start of FOTR - some critic said he looked like a plastic doll, and I have to admit I see their point. Elijah, with his perfect complexion, surely doesn't NEED as much paint and powder as ordinary mortals! (Nor does Liv for that matter.) I remember seeing a report that the makeup people wanted to MAKE Elijah LOOK as "young and innocent" as possible at the start of FOTR. As if he needed to be MADE to look youthful!
This is not an overall criticism of the LOTR makeup, which was of course spectacularly good and horrendously difficult in most cases :)

Love the Dodger discussion. I get the impression Richard Dreyfus had a very big hand in the movie - he was named as co-producer, for a start, and I sort of remember reading that it was his idea in the first place. So no excuses for getting the accent wrong or hamming it up! Or for the script. But he and the director did well to choose Elijah to play the Dodger. I adore Elijah in that role - he is just SO charming, as you say, Maeg, accent an' all, particularly in the last scene where he says goodbye to Oliver before being carted off to prison ... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

And as has been said before, the real Cockney accent is hard for Brits, let alone 16-year-old Santa Monica residents born in Iowa.

Must re-read the book one day to remind self what the Dodger was really supposed to be like. Not as delightful as Elijah, that's for sure.

For anyone short of caps or crits of that movie, here's a nice site - well written, too (wonder who is behind it ????):

**link removed**

Edit: yes, can see why narya removed the link. Have just looked at home page and it's for fans of, well, a certain persuasion, and contains predictable fanfic. Pity - it also contains some very good reviews and lots and lots of excellent screencaps. Someone there really takes Elijah extremely seriously as an artist! Will pass on the URL if anyone wants to PM me.

from Achila
interesting too that almost every clip shown of ROTK on the Oscars show featured Elijah. To me, it was almost like New Line was rubbing his lack of a nomination in their faces -- GO THEM!
I noticed this, too. In one way it makes sense, as their Oscar campaign solely promoted Elijah for the Best Actor category. So they might have prepared these clips just in case. Although it's nice to think of them also as a little, "Take that!" back at the Academy. (And yes, I enjoyed that thought! *evil cackle*)

Blossom, I looooove your make-up gif. Yes, that one arrested me during the show, because you don't think of sweet l'il Elijah as needing much help in the make-up area. -- UNTIL you read this:

from Maeglian
Obviously the makeup artists completely knew what they were doing in going from that apple-cheeked happy youth at the beginning of FotR via pale, frightened and determined at the end of FotR to the pinched, stressed-out and near-desperate decisionmaker in TTT, and finally the tormented, haunted, dirty, exhausted and starved DDL of RotK.
Wonderful description! (I'm now sitting here repeating endlessly, "The Ring is mine!" right along with the gif...) All I recall about Elijah's make-up is from (probably) one of the "making of" books, where they complained that it was extraordinarily hard to apply make-up to Elijah, because normally they rely upon imperfections in the skin to give the make-up a place to grip. Elijah's skin was so smooth it was very frustrating for them. :p

Tg, I may not be much help on the Faramir scene. I think it was awkwardly written, as I can't imagine the real Sam standing by while some two-ton Man person backs his master against the wall and puts a sword to his throat. Sam would have intervened (IMHO) before Frodo backs into the wall. (Oh, and Faramir might have acted differently in my version as well! ;) ) But, leaving it as it stands...

Speculation, page 2, when you're asking about why the Ring doesn't want to go to Faramir around cap 15. I think it does. The music is the seductive "Ring song," and Faramir is clearly going mental bye-bye, want Ring now (to me, anyway). So Frodo's snarling reaction (cap 15) might be (prepare for wild speculation) the same kind of crazed "Have Ring, must keep Ring" reaction we get at the CoD, when fingerless Fro gets up with a snarl and goes after Happy!Gollum. Perhaps the Ring has so completely seduced Frodo at that point that his seduced self wants to hold onto the Ring at any cost (what's a sword cut across the palm compared to keeping the Ring? Nothing!). The fact that Jackson had planned (and filmed) a Gollum-like Frodo at that point seems to reinforce this interpretation. In this little scene, Frodo turns into a still-pretty Gollum. Frodo doesn't lash out at Faramir, his Gollum self does, to keep the Precious.

It has always bugged me that Sam was the one who spoke to Faramir instead of Frodo stating his own case. But if he's been sucked into a Gollum mode, he wouldn't be very articulate. Oh, well. That's what Jackson saw!

Sorry to butt in on a great conversation, but I just wanted to post a reminder about linking to other sites, since I've had to remove a higher than usual number of links in the last several weeks. You're all super researchers, and that takes you out into some interesting places, which is great. But even if you find something really cool on a site that you want to share, please check around a bit to see if the site also contains material which doesn't meet KD's PG-13 guidelines. This would include strong language (Words You Can't Say on Television - regular television, not cable :p), and anything R or NC-17 rated, whether it's because of language, violence, or sexual content. It will save you some aggravation when you come back and find out I've removed the links. :k :k

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, BTW, and I know that no one is purposefully linking to sites that aren't allowed here. I fully understand the enthusiasm for the subject matter and the desire to share what you've found. :k :k

A little tidbit about Sin City (due to be released in 2005):

02/26/04
Full shooting begins in Austin, Texas, next month. Rodriguez has already shot the film's opening with Josh Hartnett and Marley Shelton. Frank Miller will work closely on the project with Rodriguez, even serving as co-director. (Variety)


So possibly -- if he's doing it -- his' gonna be a very fast shoot for Lij, since he's going to London in April to do Hooligans/The Yank (whatever they're calling it this week). Perhaps it's another little cameo role for Robert Rodriguez, like he did for Spy Kids 3D?


Oh -- and here's a link to some very sweet pictures of King Bacchus and his royal pages:

http://www.randonstudios.com/mp_client/pictures.asp?pagenum=1&action=viewphotos&size=fullsize&bypass=&eventid=3509&eventgroup=no

This isn't really new news but it's kind of funny--regarding Elijah's desire to be cast in "King Kong":

What role would Wood like? "I've talked about" it with Jackson, he said. "I just said I wanted to come down and visit and hopefully be allowed to be stomped on by a foot. So hopefully I'll have something like that."

Apparently (according to TORn) he spoke to Phillippa Boyens and Fran Walsh about it after the Oscar ceremony and they've promised to work him into the script.

Hey guys. Some news from the junket circuit via chud.com -- although interestingly enough there's no talk of ESotSM itself.



By Smilin' Jack Ruby (sjr@chud.com)

S.J.R.: Elijah, you were just announced in a new movie as well - what's that one about?

Elijah: Hooligans. It's a film about football hooliganism set in London about an American who goes over to London to visit his sister and gets mixed up into that world.

S.J.R.: Is it a comedy? Is it an actioner?

Elijah: No, it's a pretty intense drama.

S.J.R.: Are you a fan of the sport?

Elijah: I'm not a huge sport fan in general, so I don't really follow any sport. I think it's a great sport and every time I've watched it, I've enjoyed it, but I don't think I have the patience to follow teams. I'm always fascinated by people who follow a team and know every single player and their records and players on other teams. It won't just be that team - it'll be every other team and every other player. I really don't care enough.

S.J.R.: Who's directing this?

Elijah: This woman Lexi Alexander who is a German director. It's her first feature film.





Thank you Blossom for those gifs! :k :k

tg, thank you for more pages of in-depth Frodo study. I like the sound of your current home studio set-up, btw. :cool: Back when you mentioned that you were moving, it did cross my mind that that'd mean you'd lose your view; I remember you'd talked about the beautiful view you have from your apartment. :) Glad to know that you're actually still staying put, and in fact expanding your area of conquest! :D

Very, very belated birthday wishes to peaceweaver. :o :k

*waves to Viola and Prim*

And welcome to all our new Faculty members! :)

Achila - Thanks for the carnival king series - adorable!

Thank you Tg, for your photo anal of the Sword-Ring-play scene. Wow! So different to see the break-down close-ups of Frodo's/Elijah's expressions. He's much bolder and more resisting than I thought (after numerous movie views). For instance, his face does not show fear throughout Faramir's advance, until completely at his captor's mercy, between sword and rock. Then his face finally registers a spark of fear but, also, a sort of hopeless defiance - very impressive, considering the odds! And it's truly amazing how Elijah goes forth and back with emotions (as between pics3, 4, and 5 i think, and also passing in and out of 'peace'), just as one would expect of someone fighting off possession with his waning strength. Oh! and much liked your explanation of Frodo's hand on the wall, bracing or grounding himself against the surge of the Ring's fell current.

Re: the Ring in that scene - I was never fully convinced that even its film incarnation was intelligent enough to target particular takers. As in the book, I consistently saw the Ring as drawing one and all to itself. Likewise, with these images, both Faramir and Frodo succumb to its lure, though to varying degrees.

I agree that David Wenham's 2nd sword play - trying to skewer Fro against stone wall? Yikes! - looks more dangerous than Ring-dandling. But toying with the Ring WAS at considerable length, and all practically grazing that silky skin (phew!). Interestingly, Elijah's chest is absolutely still through that scene (even on film), as if trying to help the actor assaulting him complete the play without stabbing him. Whereas, Frodo, I imagine, might have been gasping for breath, regardless of the sword jeopardy.

The second piece of sword action - the pinioning of Frodo - is probably handled by the double too since we never see Faramir's face during it. But what's always surprised me about Frodo's reaction in the scene is his uncut hand after he seemingly catches the blade and pushes it away. The sword's quite sharp (says David) and even if only pretend, why isn't Frodo's (if not Elijah's) hand bleeding?

Okay, down to business...

I've found this wonderful compilation of some snippets from film reviews about Elijah... and we complain about the lack of love :p

James Berardinelli -- Elijah Wood is excellent as Frodo, a shell of the cheerful hobbit he once was.

Dallas Morning News - Frodo may well be the more difficult part. He often seems not so much an interesting character as just someone to whom interesting things keep happening. Mr. Wood's picturesque melancholia emphasizes the painful burden of his mission.

Flipside Movie Emporium - [Frodo's] companions mirror the twin halves of his fragmenting self -- faithful servant Sam (Sean Astin), hiding an indomitable will beneath eternal optimism, and the wretched Gollum (Andy Serkis), slave of the Ring whose guidance towards Mount Doom is laced with treachery. Wood gives a heartbreaking effort as a good-willed spirit pushed to the brink of despair..


Newsweek's David Ansen - With his preternaturally wide eyes, his strong neck and his dirt-caked fingernails, Wood makes an ideal hobbit hero, at once ethereal, determined and funky.

CNN's Paul Clinton - ...Wood is remarkable as Frodo, the heart and soul of the story.

AboutFilm.com - The most difficult choice was Frodo. Jackson selected Elijah Wood (North, The Ice Storm, Deep Impact), who exhibits just the right balance of innocence and grit.

Jam!Showbiz - Elijah Wood, as Frodo, exhibits all the innocent wonder and unexpected dread of his mission, as keeper of a ring that holds the fate of the world.

Filmcritic.com - . . . Elijah Wood is a perfect reluctant hero.

Atlanta Journal-Constitution - Frodo's suffering takes on a quasi-religious passion.

Robin, Clifford, Reeling Reviews - The actors bring Tolkien's myriad collection of creatures to life with Wood giving Frodo the wondering innocence and forthright resolve I remember from reading the stories.

Bob Bloom, Lafayette Journal and Courier - Elijah Wood conveys the fear and determination of
Frodo, as he trudges through Mordor toward his final destination, constantly struggling within himself to keep from faltering in his task.

Hollywood.com - Frodo, on the other hand, is so tormented and feeble it's hard to watch at times, but the soulful Wood plays it beautifully.

The Salt Lake Tribune - Wood makes Frodo's vulnerability quite touching...

Chicago Tribune - Frodo may well be the more difficult part. He often seems not so much an interesting character as just someone to whom interesting things keep happening. Mr. Wood's picturesque melancholia emphasizes the painful burden of his mission.

Looking Closer, Overstreet - It is hard to imagine actors who could have portrayed Frodo and Sam better.

Mixed Reviews - . Elijah Wood's Frodo, who had little to do in The Two Towers other than look terrified, begins to resemble Gollum more than ever here, and in his Big Climactic Scene, we see a side of this angelic-looking boy that I would not have dreamed possible. Wood is so born to play Frodo that this talented young actor, who has been onscreen since he was a toddler, may find himself struggling to escape the hobbit's shadow.

Norman Transcript - [Frodo] was an instrumental part in all of the most moving scenes, and their emotional effect on me is the best testimony to Wood’s efforts.

Jam! Showbiz - Wood, all wide-eyed and lovable, perfectly balances the reluctance and commitment his character struggles with.

Film Threat - Elijah Wood plays Frodo Baggins as a tremulous hero with a soul. . .

Flick Filosopher - Elijah Wood is, simply, beautiful as Frodo Baggins, down to his dirty fingernails. Wood understands the particular anguish of someone who's known only cheerful, earthy hedonism (easygoing hobbits love the good life) thrust into danger beyond his comprehension, never more so than when he comes under physical attack from forces of evil -- his heartrending screams of genuine terror and pain seem to encompass much more than mere physical injury but also a despair against the psychic affront to his sensibilities.

The Montreal Film Journal - Elijah Wood is great in the role; you can see all the vulnerability and the fear but also the purity and the courage in the world in those big blue eyes.

Kalamazoo Gazette - Wood's uncommonly smooth face and distant blue eyes make him a thoughtful, charming Frodo. . .

The Film Experience - Elijah Wood as Frodo Baggins (your surrogate onscreen) expertly conveys through his massive blue eyes all the wonder and terror he feels on every step of the journey.

The San Francisco Chronicle - Wood is perfect as Frodo. The role requires a quality of being as much as acting, and Wood's performance will come as a relief after many nauseating seasons of vile young screen actors embodying vile and narcissistic characters. It's a beautiful thing -- an unsnotty, available, affectionate and utterly open performance.

Okay, need to drop out now. Continue the lovely discussion ladies, will be back with tons of readings and hopefully tons more thoughts to share...

P.S. I'm eagerly waiting for news on Everything is Illuminated. If Elijah can get that role, I will be flipping with pure joy!

First of all: thank you very much for the quotes, hobbityme.


Well, Christmas came very early this year and I was finally able to see THE Homicide episode.
(((ainon)))
Putting up the usual spoiler signs first:


*** Spoilers Homicide ***


Just one remark before I give my impressions: :eek: How many commercial breaks can you possibly have in one episode?
(It was from a court tv tape)

I haven't seen one episode of the show before, so a lot of the dynamics between the characters is a bit lost on me as are a couple of the story lines (the guy having to take the gun shooting test or the cop in the Arson case???).

But, but, BUT:
Aaaah, to see a through and through evil Elijah Wood in action. No redeeming factor, no good ending....nope, just plain evil. When he's being interrogated by the two cops; he's just pushing buttons and they know it...oh, that evil smirk on his face.
:D
A boy you love to hate, but without overdoing it. It's easy to do just evil, but the beauty of it lies in the nuance and that's where Elijah's talents come in.
During the interrogation in the police office:
*He gets thrown on the floor. His reaction is not a Frodo reaction (with a scared, hurt and/or lost look...) but (and I have to see this again to see all the different expressions on his face) you can see the defiance all over his face.
* The "superior" attitude, the "I'm smarter than you would ever hope to be" look
* A slight confusion appears when the cops show that they still have the killed boy's diary on the computer file.
* He quickly regains his composure and he loves the effect he's having on the others after he admitted that he wanted his mother dead.

*sigh*
Too bad it's just this one, short episode. I would have loved to see them elaborate on it:the why, how, when,...of it.
How exactly did he manage to persuade all those students to help him in his evil ways?
There's evil and then there's wanting to kill your mother.
How about his relationship with his dad?
All this leaves me wanting more! More about this homicide episode (I'll have to use my imagination on that one) but more importantly: I want to see Elijah Wood do DARK and EVIL.


*** End Spoilers Homicide ***


Edit to add comments about your Faramir and the Ring screencaps, TG.
Thanks! They're fascinating.
I'm realising that I need to re-read the books. There's a substantial difference between the book and the movie here.

Screencap 6 - 16: the scenes where The Ring senses a good opportunity (indeed to go to Faramir, which wasn't really in the book if my memory serves me well). Like you wrote, the nose twitching, eyes closing are good signs of a power struggle within Frodo.
Than, I think it's Frodo getting the upper hand but...why exactly?
Does he realise the danger of the situation? The Ring trying to get to Faramir and he's simply preventing that?
Or
(judging by the angry look on his face at around screencap 40) is his state of mind differently?
Is it not just stopping the Ring going to Faramir because he, as the Ringbearer, has this task to fulfill to carry it to MD - but also Frodo, protecting his precioussss...it's his, his preciouss? (the expression on his face towards Faramir looks like a "It's MINE, my precious. It's not yours to receive, get your sword away from me"
When the Faramir and the Ring moment is gone, he has to think about the impact of what happened and think about how far the Ring is in his attempts to get full control over him?
(By the way, weren't they planning to give a future Gollumlike look of Frodo? Didn't those scenes of Frodo almost looking like Gollum belong with the Faramir scenes?)
I need to rewatch those scenes and what happens after that.

Popping in to thank Hobbityme for the review snippets! :)

I enjoy reading positive (and thereby insightful :D ) review comments about Elijah's Frodo very, very, very much. I've never quite come to terms with *why* it is so important to me that film reviewers appreciate and praise the Frodo performance; - I'd after all personally think the same of the performance even if I was completely alone in my view..... But it *is* immensely satisfying to see that his performance was recognized and praised by professional reviewers. I do hope such positive feedback got to Elijah via his management or possibly his family.

I've another reason for being LotR-happy today; - the date of the RotK DVD release. Just 2 months away! That's great! :)

Yes! May 25 for the DVD!! I'm actually surprised--I expected the rumors of an early release to be just that. Even though there's no next installment to build excitement for, RotK will certainly still be in a lot of theaters when the DVD's released and I thought movie companies usually tried to avoid that. Not that I'm complaining :cool: .

hobbityme, thanks for those positive reviews--it's always nice to read (and re-read ;) ) them. And, Achila, what cute pics of the King and his court! Yes, that has to be one of the campiest costumes ever--those gold boots :D :D . But Mardi Gras in New Orleans has never been known for subtlety :) . I hope all the kids get to keep the autographed copies I'm sure they got--instead of their parents putting them up on Ebay :rolleyes: .

Glad some people are getting something from the Faramir/Ring caps. Good to hear you liked them, naiad, as I think you were the first one to ask for them. I agree Frodo's one brave hobbit there. IMHO, once movie-Frodo understands a bit of what he's dealing with (after Weathertop at the latest), he never gives in without a fight--but it's so internal that it's not always obvious.

I never got the idea that Faramir was tyring to skewer Frodo in that scene :eek: ! I just thought Frodo was getting out of there as fast as he could--which involved getting the sword out of the way.

As others have said, it seems as if the Ring is in action there more than Frodo--Frodo's definitely showing his Ring-face, and IIRC that is the spot where the Gollum-Frodo was going to be used. I think part of my problem may come from trusting Galadriel too much :eek: . She really emphasized the "senses" of the Ring when mind-melding with Elrond, so I was inclined to give it more intelligence than I might have otherwise.

Is it possible Glads tends to overstate things a bit when she's trying to convince someone to do something :confused: ? IMVHO, her "One by one it will destroy them all." ends up causing Frodo more problems than it needed to. Her motive seemed to be convincing him that he had to leave the Fellowship, but he seems to take it all the way to sending Sam home when Sam first shows any evidence of wanting the Ring. (Now, if we wanted to get really esoteric, we could look at the fact that both of those statements were mentally telegraphed; maybe Galadriel just has such powerful thoughts that they come across as stronger than she means them. -- Yeah, okay, that's stretching things a bit :rolleyes: .)

That set of screencaps--and those in the future--are coming by way of my middle brother (four years older than me). This story may not seem like much to some people, but my family's never been very close so it's pretty special to me... This is the brother who was visiting from California some months back, and who was interested enough in what I was doing that he actually looked at the website (no one else in the familly has done that). After his visit he phoned because his son-in-law wanted to get started doing some things with DVDs and he wanted to know what program I used. I went through the whole, "Well, I use WinDVD because it came built in on my computer, but it's not that great... If he's going to buy a program, most people seem to like..." So, can you guess what just came in the mail from him?? Squeee!] Power DVD -- which I now have installed and used to make that set of caps!! Just the fact that he'd remember what I'd said and that I wasn't too happy with the program I was using is really something... So, everyone with good eyes for screencaps, let me know if there's any adjusting that needs to be done. I did nothing with the aspect ratio on those caps (which is so nice!). I want to try an outdoor daytime scene next, so I can see if the light needs to be adjusted. Even besides the aspect ratio, the program has other helpful features I didn't even know about. A lovely thing :) .

Found some interesting production notes on ESOTSM with great comments on the movie, the main characters.
I haven't read it yet (skimmed through it, will read it when I'm off work):

You can find it here (PDF file):
http://lightsout.movieweb.com/movies/film.php?693
In short,
Wood surprised Gondry by expressing his familiarity with the director's and screenwriter's work.
Gondry initially had a different type of actor in mind for the part but Wood ended up being "so perfect: he just made the character alive".
Also:
Gondry found chemistry between Ruffalo and Wood, which he stoked. He said that the relationship was like big brother/little brother. "The main storyline can get very emotional and intense, while these two guys are having a real good time."

There's more in those notes, but it's too much to type.

PS Remember the Hidalgo premiere and Elijah being surrounded by belly dancers? I think that I saw Ruffalo in one of those pictures but I could be mistaken.

The computer just ate my post (with considerable help from my eldest *sigh* ), so just a quick "Welcome" to new posters and a few of the points I'd covered.

Originally posted by Maeglian
Sin City....... Anyone know what it is about? ImdB has absolutely no other info than that it's "Action/Crime/Drama/Thriller".


It looks to be based on Frank Miller's comic of the same name. I haven't read the comic but I've read reviews and I've read other Miller stuff - he's known for stories presented visually with less dialogue than is typical, for angst and torment and emotional depth and very "grey" issues - very much a film noir kind of creator, although with more violence. I'm looking forward to Sin City far more than I ever did Mort. ;)

originally posted by Moondancer
Well, Christmas came very early this year and I was finally able to see THE Homicide episode.
(((ainon)))

Oh, and indeed? ainon, hmmm? Makes a note.

Isn't he spectacular in that? I, too, would like to see him play a complicated and interesting bad guy in something longer. That "superior attitude" is incredible, spooky on its own but even more spooky when you consider how unlike public Elijah it is.


originally posted by tgshaw
I never got the idea that Faramir was tyring to skewer Frodo in that scene

Me, neither. I always thought the switch was just to a long shot continuing the same event.

My reading of Frodo there is that he is fighting the Ring while it's tempting Faramir - he's trying to get between Faramir and the Ring in those shots where he seems to be fading out, and he's losing, big time. He's trying to fight the Ring's seduction of Faramir while he's being seduced by the Ring, but just as he's almost gone (that relaxed look), he completely changes the rules and beats the Ring on the physical plane by shoving the sword away and fleeing. He couldn't stop the Ring from getting to Faramir psychically, so he *physically* shatters that connection.

I always thought it very cool, because Frodo's using the Ring against itself. He choses to break away from Faramir, but there's a sense where he uses his own lust for the Ring against the Ring, because the Ring wants Faramir and Frodo uses his Ring lust in his prevention of that. The Ring is trying to seduce him right out of the picture, and he slips right outta that picture to create a new one.

I would interpret the scene differently if it was in ROTK, because of course by then the Ring really is trying to physically clobber Frodo, trying to just beat him down, but I think that the Ring is counting very much on its seductive powers all through TTT, and that Frodo is somewhat in its thrall at that point - but it doesn't have as much control over him as it thought. ;)

Kind of pressed for time - hope that's coherent!

Sheryl

Originally posted by shilohmm
I've read other Miller stuff - he's known for stories presented visually with less dialogue than is typical, for angst and torment and emotional depth and very "grey" issues
You know, I can think of a certain young actor who is pretty good at showing angst and torment and emotional depth and very "grey" issues without much dialogue...

Mel

from Maeglian:
I've never quite come to terms with *why* it is so important to me that film reviewers appreciate and praise the Frodo performance; - I'd after all personally think the same of the performance even if I was completely alone in my view..... But it *is* immensely satisfying to see that his performance was recognized and praised by professional reviewers. I do hope such positive feedback got to Elijah via his management or possibly his family.

That's exactly how I feel too, Maeg. I don't know why either - unless it's because appreciation from others, particularly professional reviewers (who include The Faculty, of course!! :)), confirms that EW is not just a figment of my imagination. If I were the only person who appreciated him, I would doubt my own judgment and assume I'd been led astray by something, ahem, less than objectively verifiable ;). Such as his looks :).

I'm sure all the positive feedback has reached Elijah. If not, his agents and friends are not doing a good job.

So THANK YOU, Hobbityme, for those quotes! :k They replace some of the many I lost in the disk crash, most of which are somewhere in this thread - but way way back (note to self: carry out regular defragmentation in future).

Links to undesirable sites: sorry, narya (have already apologised via PM). That site had lots and lots of extremely interesting and totally innocuous pages on EW's films. The page I originally found was on Oliver Twist, and it had some of the best caps - and analysis - I've ever seen. What a shame the same site has "adult" material elsewhere! Will attempt to scan entire sites before posting any more links.

Tg, how very nice with your brother and the Power DVD........:)
(So all set up for May 25 screencapping, I take it? ;) )

Shery, thanks for the Sin City info. Sounds promising, doesn't it?
I wonder if all these roles that get mentioned all of a sudden really have been discussed seriously with EJW and his manager, or if people just attach his name to the project as a possible actor to get attention? The latter option isn't all that bad, either.

I think that the Ring is counting very much on its seductive powers all through TTT, and that Frodo is somewhat in its thrall at that point. You know, something kept nagging me after that makeup-praise I posted a little while ago; - about Frodo as a stressed-out decision maker.

It's been discussed very much how the TTT Frodo/Ring development is a constant ebb and flow of seduction/addiction themes. It struck me how well that plays into the TTT storyline with the many difficult decisions Frodo has to make on his own without advise from the wise and mighty, again and again, throughout the whole of TTT. Trust Gollum and set him free? Go through the Black Gate? Trust Gollum and take the alternative path he offers? Tell Faramir the truth about Gollum? Deceive Gollum to save his life? Decisions, decisions: Each has the fate of the world riding on them. It's a terrible burden on Frodo's mind, having to make each of those choices, wondering whether he's made the right one, or if this was the wrong move that will mean his quest fails. How easy then, under all that mental stress and anxiety, to give in a little to the siren song of the Ring, to open up to its seduction, to let the addiction build to gain a tiny bit of temporary stress relief! I find this fascinating; - how the decisive, strong, active Frodo that some say there's too little of in TTT, and the Ring-addicted, Ring-succumbing "weak" Frodo that some think is shown too much, are actually two sides of the same coin. Together they make up the complete TTT Frodo character. He's active, a leader making tough decisions with significant consequences that weigh on his mind, making him all the more vulnerable to the Ring's increasing impact and seduction of that exhausted mind and will.

I also think this fits nicely with the opinion I still have, that the seduction/addiction part of the Ring arc continues through the "Frodo sending Sam away" scene and culminates at the point where Frodo enters Shelob's lair in RotK. "I can't go back" and the following conscious decision to take vision- Galadriel's hand and go on: There aren't any big, tough decisions for him to make after that. He just has to try to stay alive under the Ring's onslaught long enough. But he can't go back. Period. The final decision he had to make has been made.

what is this homicide?never heard of it
i bet it hasent been showing here in sweden
is it a tv serie or?:( :( :( :(

Wood, this is a police TV series called "Homicide - life on the Streets" where Elijah had a guest role back in 1996, he played a psychopathic, evil but angelic-looking school boy. As far as I know that series has not been shown on TV in any of the Scandinavian countries.

Maeglian, that's fascinating. I've got a theory that some of the TTT and RotK book moments where Frodo seems strong are actually also the points at which he comes closest to using the Ring (the taming of Smeagol; the confrontation with Smeagol before entering the Cracks of Doom) -- that the need for strength was actually the biggest crack in book!Frodo's mental armor. You seem to be suggesting something similar for the movies...

Mel

Maeglian: I just wish I said what you did :k So true...

And in connection with the burden of his decision-making, whenever I think of Frodo, I really think "Grace Under Pressure."

Even in the furthest extremity: tired, starving, Ring-mad, he thinks of others. In context of the story it is largely directed to Sam. Sam taking care of Frodo is a huge part of the story of course, but I think just as impressive are the gestures Frodo makes. It speaks volumes about the purity and beauty of his soul that he can do so in the circumstances.

At the end of FOTR, after the stressful events of his leaving the Fellowship, he tells Sam that he is glad to have him there (paraphrase).

Right after his horrifying encounter with the Nazghul in Os he makes sure to obliquely thank Sam and raise his spirit with "Samwise the Brave." I remember being awed that he could still smile.

And in ROTK: He is concerned about Sam not eating, he apologizes to Sam in CU (and seems firmly understanding about Sam's ring temptation).

However, one gesture that impressed me most in ROTK was when they are near CoD and Frodo has no water in his waterskin. Sam offers him water from his own, and Frodo's exhausted gratitude, and the look when Sam says that there won't be a return journey speak volumes. Even as far gone as he is: almost out of his mind, beaten, starved, stung, and crushed by the Ring, with the Eye constantly before him, he finds an incredible inner reserve to still care for Sam, to be grateful.

I love EW's acting in that scene: the exhausted swallow, the comment to Sam, the look on his face when Sam makes his comment: he is not sorry for himself, but you can see, in the potent coctail of emotions on his face, that he is sorry for Sam and his loss of hope...amazing.

Dangermouse--I'll add one more moment to your list :) , one I think we've talked about before. If anyone knows Sam's feelings about Rosie, it's Frodo, as we know from FotR. At "the end of all things," all Sam needs to do is say her name to have Frodo understand what he's going through, and to somehow find the physical strength to reach out to him.

And thanks for the comments on the scene with the waterskin. That was one I had difficulty with when I first saw the movie, as it seemed to say that Frodo at that point didn't realize there wouldn't be a return journey, and I couldn't believe that. But I agree that Elijah's acting makes clear what the script doesn't say.

Originally posted by shilohmm
I always thought it very cool, because Frodo's using the Ring against itself. He choses to break away from Faramir, but there's a sense where he uses his own lust for the Ring against the Ring, because the Ring wants Faramir and Frodo uses his Ring lust in his prevention of that. The Ring is trying to seduce him right out of the picture, and he slips right outta that picture to create a new one.
I've been in discussions before about the book-Ring "beating itself at its own game," by making its keeper so attached to it that it can't get away even when it "wants" to. Interesting, in that one of Tolkien's favorite dynamics is evil causing its own undoing. IMVHO, the combined action of Frodo and the Ring isn't simple to analyze in the book, and I'm beginning to think that the movie keeps it more complex than I've been giving it credit for. But I wonder how much of that is due to Elijah's acting and his ability to connect with--and show us--a character who's in a constant back-and-forth, internal battle.

Fascinating thoughts from Maeg and mel about Frodo's need for strength--and the danger of it. Reminds me very much of what Elijah said about the taming of Smeagol being Frodo's loss of innocence because he decides to use Smeagol to guide him to Mordor. Not that there was any better choice he could have made, but that one move toward controlling someone else changes him permanently.

The more one can avoid exercising power, the more resistance one has to the Ring, but Frodo doesn't have the option of remaining completely powerless if he's going to accomplish his task. IMHO that's an important part of Frodo's heroism--doing what he needs to do and making the decisions he needs to make, even if it means laying himself open to the danger he's trying to save Middle-earth from. With all due acknowledgement that Frodo's not a Christ figure, but is an individual with some Christlike qualities, the Scripture passage that has always haunted me at the CoD is "He who knew no sin became sin for our sake." And I have to say that watching Frolijah being taken over by the Ring just makes that all the stronger.

Premiere mag has their review of Eternal Sunshine--four out of four stars! The last few lines are "The supporting cast is brilliant, but except for some very key moments, what they do is in fact support. And when their turns to dazzle come, Mark Ruffalo, Kirsten Dunst, Tom Wilkinson, and an unnervingly creepy Elijah Wood hit home."

Unnervingly creepy--I like the sound of that!

Ebert and Roeper reviewed ESOTSM this past weekend, and they both absolutely loved it. Unfortunately, they didn't mention Lij, but you can listen to their review at:

http://tvplex.go.com/buenavista/ebertandroeper/today.html

I was sort of worried over this one, that it would be so weird that no one would like it, but the early buzz is very good. We should keep count how many reviews mention how "un-Frodo-like" Elijah is in it. You can bet there'll be a slew of them.

Oh, and btw -- this week's US TV appearances for Lij:

3/10 -- Leno (and the ESOTSM premiere)
3/11 -- Conan
3/12 -- Good Morning America and TRL

{{Shilohmm}}} {{Dangermouse}} {{Maeglian}} {{Mel}} and of course {{Tg}}

These last few posts have been some of the most insightful comments on Frodo and the Ring I've come across, especially as they interpret the movie.

For instance, like Moondancer, I'd always seen Frodo's bare-handed sword pary etc as a desperate Gollum-like effort to keep the Ring to himself (ugh - not like book Fro). But now I like Shilohmm's reading of it -he is fighting the Ring while it's tempting Faramir - he's trying to get between Faramir and the Ring in those shots where he seems to be fading out, and he's losing, big time. He's trying to fight the Ring's seduction of Faramir while he's being seduced by the Ring, but just as he's almost gone (that relaxed look), he completely changes the rules and beats the Ring on the physical plane by shoving the sword away and fleeing. He couldn't stop the Ring from getting to Faramir psychically, so he *physically* shatters that connection. ...there's a sense where he uses his own lust for the Ring against the Ring, because the Ring wants Faramir and Frodo uses his Ring lust in his prevention of that. The Ring is trying to seduce him right out of the picture, and he slips right outta that picture to create a new one. ...by then the Ring really is trying to physically clobber Frodo, trying to just beat him down, but I think that the Ring is counting very much on its seductive powers all through TTT, and that Frodo is somewhat in its thrall at that point - but it doesn't have as much control over him as it thought Well put, Shilhomm!

And Maeg, I love this -
Decisions, decisions: Each has the fate of the world riding on them. It's a terrible burden on Frodo's mind, having to make each of those choices, wondering whether he's made the right one, or if this was the wrong move that will mean his quest fails. How easy then, under all that mental stress and anxiety, to give in a little to the siren song of the Ring, to open up to its seduction, to let the addiction build to gain a tiny bit of temporary stress relief! I find this fascinating; - how the decisive, strong, active Frodo that some say there's too little of in TTT, and the Ring-addicted, Ring-succumbing "weak" Frodo that some think is shown too much, are actually two sides of the same coin. Together they make up the complete TTT Frodo character. He's active, a leader making tough decisions with significant consequences that weigh on his mind, making him all the more vulnerable to the Ring's increasing impact and seduction of that exhausted mind and will.
This is exactly how I've always seen book Frodo - and also I see Elijah's Frodo in my mind. But on film, I wouldn't have reached that conclusion without coaching from the Faculty. Thank you!

Maeg, totally agree with this, though I'd never put it into words-I've got a theory that some of the TTT and RotK book moments where Frodo seems strong are actually also the points at which he comes closest to using the Ring (the taming of Smeagol; the confrontation with Smeagol before entering the Cracks of Doom) -- that the need for strength was actually the biggest crack in book!Frodo's mental armor. And Dangermouse, this is beautiful-especially because the examples you give reflect both book and movie :) whenever I think of Frodo, I really think "Grace Under Pressure." Even in the furthest extremity: tired, starving, Ring-mad, he thinks of others. ... It speaks volumes about the purity and beauty of his soul that he can do so in the circumstances. ... love EW's acting in that scene: the exhausted swallow, the comment to Sam, the look on his face when Sam makes his comment: he is not sorry for himself, but you can see, in the potent coctail of emotions on his face, that he is sorry for Sam and his loss of hope...amazing.Sorry for all the quotes, but they're worth repeating!

Originally posted by Maeglian

I wonder if all these roles that get mentioned all of a sudden really have been discussed seriously with EJW and his manager, or if people just attach his name to the project as a possible actor to get attention?

Heh. Good point. I would think Rodriguez does really intend to include Elijah, but of course he intended to use Elijah for Spy Kids 3 and didn't ask Elijah much ahead of time. :p But I expect Elijah will do it if he can fit it in his schedule.

Wood,
Forgot to mention that at one time frodoandsam.net had just the Elijah bits from Homicide up - can't find them there at the moment, though. :( Does anyone know if Elve is still rotating clips? It used to be if you checked regularly, some of the older stuff would be available again, but I have a suspicion she's getting so much new stuff up lately that she's too busy for that right now.

originally posted by tgshaw
Reminds me very much of what Elijah said about the taming of Smeagol being Frodo's loss of innocence because he decides to use Smeagol to guide him to Mordor. Not that there was any better choice he could have made, but that one move toward controlling someone else changes him permanently.

Yep. That's what I thought of when reading Maeglian and Mel's comments as well. :cool: And that's the quote I always think of when someone's ranting about the fact that Elijah hasn't read the books all the way through. Maybe he hasn't read the books, but he still has a good understanding of what's going on with Frodo, IMHO. His interpretation (or his and PJ's, rather) may not match everyone elses, but I think it's pretty solidly grounded in the basics of the book character, even though the movie character is clearly younger than the book version.

originally posted by Achila
We should keep count how many reviews mention how "un-Frodo-like" Elijah is in it. You can bet there'll be a slew of them.


:D :D :D

naiad,
I'm glad my comments helped you to reconcile movie Frodo with book Frodo. I was kind of afraid that I hadn't made clear that I do think Frodo is trying to help Faramir there. I'm sure the Ring has some influence, but from my point of view Frodo's desperation is more for Faramir's sake, and for the sake of Frodo's mission, than it is Ring Lust.

I think PJ was wise to skip the scene of Faramir seeing Frodo looking like Gollum, but it seems to me that clip would only make sense if Faramir realizes what Frodo has just done for him. From the first I believed that Faramir was listening to the Ring, and that Frodo does break the Ring's hold on Faramir - and I further believed that Faramir recognized this, at least partially. So when he saw Frodo looking like Gollum, on some level he'd know he was looking at *himself* if the Ring got ahold of him.

But in the story as they presented it Faramir can't realize that so soon - he still has to haul Frodo to Osgiliath - so it makes sense they'd drop that bit and it also makes sense that Faramir does not consciously or visibly recognize that he has an understanding of what just happened. But just the fact that he leaves the Ring with Frodo shows he does have *some* awareness of the danger to himself, and that he realizes Frodo is more able to deal with the Ring's temptation than he is.

Even if Frodo had agreed to go to Gondor, I can't see Boromir (book or movie) letting Frodo carry the Ring there himself. ;) I don't think the Ring got a good solid grip on Faramir, but OTOH I think it influenced Faramir more than he realized, simply because he (ublike book Faramir) really didn't know what he was dealing with at first. It didn't take much to knock Faramir free - just Frodo shouting and surprising him - but I think he did need that, just because he didn't recognize what was happening.

Book Faramir also knew that Frodo was a friend of Gandalf's, and ultimately accepted him based in part on that, while movie Faramir had to judge Frodo more on his own merit, I think. I didn't think book Faramir was much more changed than Aragorn, but perhaps I'm reading more into his silences than was there. :p

Sheryl

is there anyone who knows if this homicide is on vcr or dvd
i would love to see it or if there is any of you who have a copie
i would bee greatful for ever!!!!
lookt on frodoandsam but i couldent find anything
:( :( :( :cool:

Morning, all! I ran across these pics this morning and thought ya'll might enjoy seeing them as well. They are shots of Elijah at the ESOTSM premiere (last night, I think). I looked around at the rest of the site and didn't see anything that would be non-family friendly. Here's the link:

Edited to say: :mad: Doh!! Link won't work!

Try going here: http://editorial.gettyimages.com/ms_gins/CFW/home.aspx?pg=1

and do a search for Elijah Wood and it should come right up. Sorry for the confusion.

By the way, great discussions going on. Sorry I don't have time to stick around and comment. Later, though!

Blessings!
Candy

Dittoing what Naiad said. The discussion on this board of Frodo's transformation both in confronting Faramir and at the CoD has given me chills! Scary correlation between Frodo's need to assert himself and the Catch 22 of the Ring corrupting power. :eek:

Dittoing what Sheryl added this morning. :) It has struck me on repeat viewings how torn Faramir is when he brings Frodo to Osgiliath -- I'm thinking of their brief confrontation on the hill. It initially puzzled me why Faramir didn't just take the Ring and go, but it makes sense if he feels somewhat creeped out by the Ring, and is simply determined to do his duty to his father at this point and let Dad deal with it. Hence, let Frodo keep the nasty thing! (And we know how much Faramir needs to please his dad!)

Love the ESOTSM review quote, Sharpe's Girl!

from Achila
We should keep count how many reviews mention how "un-Frodo-like" Elijah is in it.
*snerk* We might also want to keep track of how many reviews claim that Elijah is miscast because he isn't playing a hobbit. :rolleyes: :mad: I'll start: one. :p

Originally posted by Mariole
*snerk* We might also want to keep track of how many reviews claim that Elijah is miscast because he isn't playing a hobbit. :rolleyes: :mad: I'll start: one. :p
Could severely limit an actor's choice of roles... ;)

Could severely limit an actor's choice of roles... Not necessarily.... did you read that article in USAtoday stating that New Line has the right to make freestanding prequels and sequels for LotR? I've thought about how the storyline in a sequel, as in a Standard Hollywood Sequel(Tm) would develop..... and suffice it to say, that Sequel(tm) *would* include the return of Frodo to ME. ::shudders:: Yes, it would, no doubt. :eek: :eek:


I read the overviews over EJW talkshow appearances and I get quite grumpy. Is there any reason why he seems to shun the *only* international talk show that airs hereabouts? (That would be Letterman) Is it Letterman who always goes on about Elijah's mother still doing his laundry, - that might be the reason.


I looked at the ESOTSM premiere pics, thank you CandyGirl! Heh - there were as many photos of Dom Monaghan as of Elijah. :D Sharpe's Girl - I agree with you and Mariole. That review sounds very promising!
From Mel
Frodo seems strong are actually also the points at which he comes closest to using the Ring (snip) -- that the need for strength was actually the biggest crack in book!Frodo's mental armor. You seem to be suggesting something similar for the movies... Yes, although I hadn't thought to express it quite so succinctly! :) I fully agree with you about Book!Frodo, and I also think I see a slight difference to film!Frodo. In the film, with the strong focus on the seduction/addiction theme, it seems to me that Frodo is more tempted to lose himself in the Ring to get away from the mental pressure he's under. While in the book he does perhaps come closer to actually using or at least threatening with use of the Ring when he has to take action. I think it's significant in this respect that the "taming of Smeagol" was altered from book to film, and that the scene where he treatenes Gollum by means of the Ring on the slopes of Mt. Doom was not included in the film at all.

Yet despite the book-to-film differences, both book and film manages to show a subtle and significant connection between the Ring's malignant impact on Frodo and Frodo's need to be "strong" and take decisive action.

Thank you all who've said positive things about my post. :)

From Dangermouse
I love EW's acting in that scene: the exhausted swallow, the comment to Sam, the look on his face when Sam makes his comment: he is not sorry for himself, but you can see, in the potent coctail of emotions on his face, that he is sorry for Sam and his loss of hope...amazing. Thank you for this and your other comments on this scene. Like others, at first I had some difficulty with Frodo's line there about the return journey, but I've reconciled myself to this being Frodo's way of trying to keep up and preserve Sam's hope for a return as long as possible, just as you also indicate. By and large, Frodo's constant evident love and caring for Sam from they first meet again in the Tower and Sam holds out the Ring, till "the end of all things" has played out, is one of the most beautiful aspects of the whole of the LotR film trilogy. IMO it's portrayed so heartwrenchingly true and perfect, yet never exaggerated.

In that "last of the water" scene, Sam gets to tell us, and Frodo, out loud that he's reached the point where he's lost hope for a return home. When does Frodo lose that hope? That's been the subject of previous debate, since Frodo keeps his thoughts so much to himself and we are left to interpret his expressions. But in my mind, the full realization for Frodo of the suicide nature of his mission has always been in that beautiful scene on the riverbank in FotR. To me, Frodo's tears there do not express fear and hopelessness as much as an overwhelming grief. Grief for his own life that he considers lost, and grief in advance for the failure of the quest and therefore for the destruction of the Shire. From the first times I saw that scene, more than 2 years ago, Frodo's grief there has reminded me of one story Simon Wisenthal refers in one of his books from WW2, the Holocaust in one of the Eastern European countries (probably Poland?). I read this many years ago now, and it's never left me since, it made such an impact. He tells of a young Jewish village boy who was collected by the local police, to be sent off to one of the concentration camps. The boy's parents and siblings had already been collected and sent off, and the boy was told this. He asked to be allowed to go into their house for a moment, and the policman saw how he lighted candles in there, one for each member of his family. It was the local custom to light such candles for the recently dead. The boy hesitated, and then he lighted one more candle - for himself.

I hope noone thinks this comparison with a fantasy film character is respectless to the Holocaust victims. That was not my intention.

Originally posted by CandyGirl
Morning, all! I ran across these pics this morning and thought ya'll might enjoy seeing them as well. They are shots of Elijah at the ESOTSM premiere (last night, I think). I looked around at the rest of the site and didn't see anything that would be non-family friendly. Here's the link:


Thanks! Cute pictures; especially good display of dimples. But you can tell that it's gonna be a really bad winter. Look at the size of the caterpillar on that boy's chin!

::::: running away giggling madly :::::

~notsigningthisone (Harrrumph. The Lad should either grow some facial hair or not grow facial hair. That thing just looks silly. IMGLO, of course) (Dad-burned whippersnapper.) ( Why, in *MY* day, we didn't have goatees and short hair.)(Men grew hair down to their waists - back and front!)(We had to climb a hill and throw rocks to get any haircuts at all!)(And we didn't complain, either!)(I tell ya - men knew how to wear *HAIR* in my day!)("...gimme a head of hair, long beautiful hair...")

Respectless? No, I don't think so. :hug:

btw, I think it's Jay Leno who bugs Elijah about the laundry. Elijah seems to laugh it off every time. Maybe Elijah does Leno more often because he used to (?) still does (?) live in Los Angeles.

*in fact, Elijah is doing Leno tonight!* :eek:


http://www.nbc.com/nbc/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/guests/images/elijah_wood3_66x46.jpg
Wednesday, March 10
Elijah Wood - Eternal Sunshine of the...
Hollis Gillespie - NPR's bleachy-haired honky-bitch
Music - Maroon 5

Although New Line has the right to free-standing sequels, I hope they don't even attempt it. I don't believe the moviegoing public would accept any LotR movie without at least most of the original cast. And after all they went through for the real deal, would any of the actors agree to work on a non-canon Standard Hollywood Sequel(TM)? I doubt it.

Another review of ESotSM, this time from Peter Travers of Rolling Stone magazine. Three 1/2 stars out of four!

Carrey burrows far inside the emotionally withdrawn Joel until we see the soul worth saving. And Winslet, one of the best actresses anywhere, is electrifying and bruisingly vulnerable. All the actors have shining moments. Wood, eons away from Frodo, gets creepy laughs but also measures the loss of leading a stolen life. Dunst brings a wounded dignity to Mary's betrayed trust in Mierzwiak, enhanced by the dark melancholy Wilkinson invests in the role. And Ruffalo proves again that he can find dramatic nuance in the corners of comedy. When Mary asks Stan how she looked with Mierzwiak when she first developed a crush on the doc, he takes a beat. "You looked happy," he says, "with a secret."

Unlocking secrets is part of the richness of a fantasy film that grows increasingly real. Even the lyrics of the silly song that bears Clementine's name -- "lost and gone forever" -- take on a poignant resonance as Joel fights to keep Clementine in his head, forcing memories of her into his childhood, where she never played a part. Kaufman, Gondry and the pitch-perfect actors have crafted a remarkable film that can coax a smile about making the same mistakes in love and then sneak up and quietly break your heart.

The more I hear about this film, the more I definitely want to see it! I've never seen any of Charles Kaufman's work before (Malkovich, Adaptation, Human Nature), but I've heard how very quirky his scripts are, even if the films themselves vary a bit in quality.

How did Elijah do in the Jay Leno show?
What did he do, say, look like?
I've read a couple of small reports and he seemed to be in fine form and in a very good mood.


To the UK viewers:
I've read that Elijah was or is (not sure) a guest on¨the Graham Norton show (Norton is in the States at the moment.)

:(
I'm missing all these great shows.
So, I'll have to do some hunting on the internet for screencaps, transcripts, videofiles,...

:)
On the bright side, I saw the Wetten Dass tape yesterday. That was enough to put a big smile on my face.


Edit:
OK, I found clips from the Leno show but it's on a site you can't link to. I'm sure that most of you can find your way over there, but if not, PM me and I'll give you the web address.

How did he look? Wild-haired and utterly charming. I just happened to flip channels and there he was! I missed his little dance, though. :(

The woman who was promoting her book was hysterically funny. When she came out, Leno hugged and kissed, her, then Elijah did the same. When he was hugging her, she looked at the audience with this unbelievably expressive *leer*, which is the only way I can describe her. The audience absolutely lost it, cheering and yelling. Then when she sat down and turned to Leno, she said something like "I'm turning my back on ELIJAH WOOD?!?"

He's giving up the NYC apartment and moving back to LA - gonna live with his mom - from what I understand he has a little studio apartment attached - he didn't say that on Leno but they kidded about the laundry, and Leno showed a clip from his show when EW was 11 and Leno shot Silly String at him. Then he pulled out a can of Silly String and shot him again. :) Funny, it looked like Shelob's webs...

More later.

~grumpy

Originally posted by zkgrumpy
How did he look? Wild-haired and utterly charming. I just happened to flip channels and there he was! I missed his little dance, though. :( [
...jeans and untucked shirttails--back to "regular" Lij apparel after all the premieres and awards shows :) . [Pemiere aside: Didn't he look every inch the young businessman for the ESOTSM premiere--noticed it was Dom who had writing on his jacket for that. ;) . Thanks to CG for the pics from the event; the review Random posted came to mind when looking at all those shots of "ugly" Kirstin Dunst :rolleyes: .]

The woman who was promoting her book was hysterically funny. When she came out, Leno hugged and kissed, her, then Elijah did the same. When he was hugging her, she looked at the audience with this unbelievably expressive *leer*, which is the only way I can describe her. The audience absolutely lost it, cheering and yelling. Then when she sat down and turned to Leno, she said something like "I'm turning my back on ELIJAH WOOD?!?"
Ditto to all grumpy said... :D She may have sold at least one copy of her book last night (to me :) ). With hair that looked like she'd taken about two seconds to pin it up--and like she'd last "touched up her roots" about as long ago as I did :p --and in a light blue dress that would have been in style 40 years ago (not one of the retro looks back in fashion now). The "turning her back" comment came after she sat down and kept talking to Elijah, not even looking at Leno. He tried to get her attention to start the interview, and :p ...

He's giving up the NYC apartment and moving back to LA -
I've been kinda disappointed about the back to LA move--he seems like such a perfect New Yorker :( . But I'm sure he'll be spending a lot of time there. The next couple of days, evidently, since both Conan and Good Morning, America are in New York. But I'm not surprised at his reasoning--paying all that rent money when he's hardly ever there. A lot of celebrities wouldn't even take that into consideration--but it's totally elwoodian ;) . The reason I have hopes that we'll never see a headline like "'Rings' Star in Financial Trouble-What Happened to those Millions?" the[/i] star?]

--But what about his roomie? :confused: Hope he didn't leave Hannah holding the lease (which I doubt, since it would very un-elwoodian).

[b]...and Leno showed a clip from his show when EW was 11 and Leno shot Silly String at him. Then he pulled out a can of Silly String and shot him again. :)
From "Forever Young" days, evidently... Although (as usual on these shows) Leno only gave about ten seconds to the actual promotion of ESOTSM, he did tie that part of the interview in with the "memory" aspect of the movie--asking Elijah if he remembered what he'd said in that 12-years-ago interview and then playing the answer from the clip; and Elijah didn't do too badly.

BTW, the "dance number" was tied into the segment Leno did just before Elijah came on-- where Jay showed previsously-filmed interviews with people on the street and then had the studio audience guess whether the person was a "good dancer" or a "bad dancer" before showing the clip of the person actually dancing. So, of course, he had to ask the audience the same thing about Elijah... (Jay's verdict: "That was maybe just a little too good--I think I caught a Chippendales move in there.")

Could still say some things about the interview itself, but I've used up all my before-running-to-work time... Maybe someone else... :) ?

Leno asked EW about the Oscars. "Clean sweep, can you believe it?!" was his initial reaction, then Leno asked if he had a date for the show. First, he said no, then he said, "Well, the three other hobbits--we went as a group." Leno then asked if he was contractually obligated to hang out with the hobbits for the rest of his life, but EW said that since they were friends, it was natural that they would hang together.

Then Leno asked what parties he went to after the ceremony. Of course, he said that he only went to the TORN party--he said that he originally only went to introduce the band, who were friends of his, and then stayed the rest of the night.

When Leno asked him details about the fandom, specifically, if they were like "well, Trekkies?" EW said that they were much cooler--more hippy-ish, less sci-fi and techie. He did correct the usual stereotype of the "male adolescent" fanbase, and said that the crowd at the TORN party was more 70-30 female to male. Leno then asked the audience if there were any Ringers, and you heard a bunch of feminine squeals. EW's expression was, "See?"

Leno did say that a girl in the audience slipped him her phone number to give to EW (a very pretty blond girl around Elijah's age), and he first started heading out to the audience to talk to her, then came back after only a few steps. Leno joked that he stuck the phone number in the cushions of EW's chair so he could give it to him after the show, and EW started tearing the cushions off "looking" for it. A very funny bit.

Elijah still needs to be corrected on one thing about the fanbase--He said it was a surprise that so many women have become fans of the movie because the book was mostly read by guys--which isn't true!! :mad:

That led into a comment where he was either:
(a) innocently giving credit to a couple of co-actors;
(b) milking the audience for a reaction.

Going from the misconception that not many women read Tolkien, he said the female interest in the movies was probably due to the presence of Orlando Bloom and Viggo Mortensen. (Which the reaction from the females in the audience soundly trounced :p , almost burying Jay's "...not you?")

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Elijah spent a good part of the interview doing "damage control" regarding some of Dom's stories. The first was the report that he was upset when Andy Serkis was given a copy of the Ring, which Elijah said was totally untrue. That one was definitely laid directly on Dom--Elijah even said which talk show Dom had told the story on. From what Jay said, the tabloids must have picked up on that one--he and Elijah talked about how hard it must have been for the tabloids to find such angry-looking pics of Elijah, since he hardly ever gets angry.

The second was the "porn and chocolate" story, which evidently was true but not as interesting as it might sound. Jay just said it was "one of the other hobbits" who told him to ask Elijah about it, but since the only two people involved in the entire incident were Elijah and Dom... :rolleyes:

Seems to me I'm missing something... :confused:

I will say one thing--the other guest was definitely a better choice to be on with Elijah (or at any time)--than the last one he was with on that show!

Dom told that ring story when he was a guest with Sharon Osbourne. He was kidding, but of course, the press is quick to pick up anything that even sounds "angsty" when it comes to celebrities. The next day after Dom's appearance, it was all over the press that lij was seriously miffed at Andy because of it -- as if! If you hadn't watched Dom, you would've never known the truth. Except, of course, WE knew that couldn't possibly be true.

As for "porn and chocolate", that was another of those stories that was in the article from Premiere magazine (as was the "bucket fountain" story he told on Conan, etc. -- it was also in another print interview over a year ago), so it was nothing new. But you know -- even though he's telling stories that make him sound like an irresponsible rascal, it's obvious that he's not, if you know anything at all about him. It's more like "boys will be boys", everyone giggles and they get on with it.

Hey - I thought it was *great* that he made such a clear point about the film/ Ringer fanbase being 70% women. He's the very first one involved with the whole film project who's shown that kind of clear understanding about this. (It would be more difficult for him to miss that point, though, than some random New Line market analyst who isn't quite in the middle of the screaming fan crowds..... :D ) Now why didn't New Line use *him* as a consultant? :p OTOH - that's maybe just as well. There'd perhaps been even more posters of Aragorn and Legolas if they did, and fewer of Frodo. Whether real or a little affected, he sure does push the other actors to the forefront at all times.

Erendis, you sure were right about *who* exactly bugs Elijah about his laundry. QED. :rolleyes:
I don't believe the moviegoing public would accept any LotR movie without at least most of the original cast. And after all they went through for the real deal, would any of the actors agree to work on a non-canon Standard Hollywood Sequel(TM)? I doubt it. This is one reason why I wish the cast will all get exiting new roles and be kept *very* busy with new projects. Because if they ended up doing the convention circuit more than movie and theatre it probably would seem very tempting after a while if a sequel was being offered..... My very own made-up Hollywood-style sequel storyline would require Wood, Mortensen, Tyler, Bloom, Monaghan and Boyd to be available at a minimum. So fingers crossed for lots of good work for all of them! :)

The reason I have hopes that we'll never see a headline like "'Rings' Star in Financial Trouble-What Happened to those Millions?" Too late! :eek: I've already seen that headline. The story wasn't about Elijah, though.


Edit: :(
I don't know we have any Spanish Faculty members, but maybe we have some lurkers? If so, I'd like to say how very sad I am about the terrible tragedy in Madrid today. :(

Originally posted by Achila
...The next day after Dom's appearance, it was all over the press that lij was seriously miffed at Andy because of it...
...and all over the net, of course. We even had a few people here who were concerned about it. But with Dom's name linked to it, it pretty much came down to "consider the source."


Maeg--In the list of necessary actors for your sequel: no Astin?? Now that makes me curious ;) .

I have to confess confusion over the rights to "free-standing sequels." Was that included in JRRT's contract with Saul Zaentz? I thought the only screen/performance rights available were for The Hobbit and LotR (assuming that the Tolkien Estate isn't selling any new ones--which IMVHO is a pretty safe assumption). Unless it was clearly included in the agreement, I'd think any use of Middle-earth and/or its inhabitants would be in for a fight. Did the article explain where the rights would come from?

The Leno interview was an adorable show! I was so disappointed in the last one that I didn't bother to tape it, but after the fan buzz I downloaded the clips. It was delightful! I suppose it makes a difference whether Elijah is flying on a post-Oscar high or severely sleep-deprived and jet-lagged -- ya think? :p

I think Elijah definitely dropped the names Orlando Bloom and Viggo Mortensen to check the crowd reaction. That is the conventional wisdom -- in case we missed the memo, we women of a *cough* certain age are all supposed to be gah-gah over Viggo. :rolleyes: But I viewed his comment as a scientific experiment; he did seem curious as to the reaction. I think Elijah would have been perfectly happy to hear squeals of delight over Orly and Viggo on his costars' behalf, and wasn't necessarily fishing for compliments for himself. He's said repeatedly he knows hobbits aren't supposed to be sexy (and to many people, they aren't!). He might be honestly puzzled as to whether he only sees a tiny fraction of the goofy fanbase (as those hobbitly inclined would naturally gravitate toward him during fan events), vs. the wider base of viewers who might be considered more "normal" and possibly enjoy seeing him in other films.

In any case, it was such a pleasure seeing him so happy and buzzed! The "Forever Young" clips were adorable!

Hello, All!!

I missed Lij on Leno last night (can you believe I fell asleep and forgot about it?!?:eek: ), but managed to catch it in the clippies!! (Yea for web clips!) I found it to be, of course, absolutely adorable! I love to watch bendy boy dance! I loved his "uhhm...well...err...duhhh..." reaction when Jay asked him about his apartment - LOL - I knew that was coming.

I thing Elijah definitely dropped the names Orlando Bloom and Viggo Mortensen to check the crowd reaction. That is the conventional wisdom -- in case we missed the memo, we women of a *cough* certain age are all supposed to be gah-gah over Viggo. But I viewed his comment as a scientific experiment; he did seem curious as to the reaction.

Oh, I totally think he was going for reaction there. I mean, come on! Has the man looked in a mirror lately? :D He's beautiful and he's GOT to see that! And can he not hear all the screaming?!? LOL! What's it gonna take to convince him?:D He's adorable being all humble, though.

In any case, it was such a pleasure seeing him so happy and buzzed! The "Forever Young" clips were adorable!

Weren't those adorable! (how many times am I gonna use the word 'adorable' in this post - but I can't help it...that's what he was!:D) And yes, it was great to see him looking so happy and on top of the world. I like happy!Lij!:D

I will say one thing--the other guest was definitely a better choice to be on with Elijah (or at any time)--than the last one he was with on that show!

Amen to that! If it hadn't been for Elijah's reactions to her being so entertaining (he had this, "What the...?!? Is this woman for real?" look on his face for most of the interview...hehe - it was funny) I would have probably turned off the tv and went to bed. I enjoyed the other guest last night - and Elijah's reaction to her was also entertaining.

For all who missed the show, including me:o , would anyone who knows or finds out about the repeat broadcast please post info about same when it's available?

Thank you!:k

New Line has the right to make freestanding prequels and sequels for LotR?

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I think I need a couple of stiff drinks.

Can I join you over the drinks, Niph? The benefit is, you know, that after a few of those, it can actually get pretty fun making up sequel storylines. ;) I'm just saying........ :o :D


Anyway, the story was in a lengthy USAToday article in January, which was taking a look at the trauma of next December being a "Frodo-free zone", and the possible forthcoming fantasy trauma relief. Here's what the article had to say about Rings prequels/sequels:

"New Line may just toss a few new Rings titles out there. It has production rights to Tolkien's original Middle-earth tale, The Hobbit, although the situation is complicated by MGM/UA's distribution ownership. "There's a reasonable possibility that we can negotiate an arrangement," New Line co-chairman Bob Shaye says. The studio also has the rights to create its own original prequel or sequel to The Lord of the Rings, but would pursue the projects only if Jackson would be involved again. "

This is the link to the whole article for those who are interested:

"more of the Rings magic" (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2004-01-20-fantasy-films-main_x.htm)

Tg, I figured Sam would be too stuck with his wife and his many kids to go a-questing in my very own standard-type sequel. And that sequel, with the catching and extremely original tagline "They thought the evil of the Ring was vanquished for ever....... They were wrong!" would involve lotsa major questing, there's no doubt about that. It would also involve Arwen and Aragorn being torn apart by fate again, as Arwen has to find that elusive way to Valinor after all to bring the Ringbearer back, since the portents show that only he can combat this ancient terrible Ring-related evil that has arisen. Of course Arwen has to be joined by some new and feisty quest members in addition to some of the previous cast members! Meanwhile, Aragorn stays behind with some trusty persons, probably new to us as well, to stem the tide of evil as Gondor is yet again in peril of being engulfed. And the grand finale of course has ultra-climactic battle scenes and the Ringbearer yet again sacrificing himself for the greater good, while looking utterly angsty and beautiful. Now, about the necessary romantic interest such a sequel requires..... It's time Legolas found some feisty Mary-Sue like lady to conquer his heart, right? Right!

:eek: :eek: :eek: Ack! Ack!

***Runs away having scared myself silly*** :rolleyes:


PS: I saw the interview bit about the One party and Ringers over on TORN. I agree with tg on the "the LotR book is only read by boys" thing. That's a really silly thing to say. Why on earth would he think that?

Wonderful, wonderful posts, ladies.

Can't stay, but I just taped Elijah on Leno, and couldn't resist dropping this by, just in case anyone hasn't seen it.

Elijah dance (http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/EWdances.gif)

CandyGirl, I must agree with you - our 'bendy boy' is simply adorable!:)

I must join Maeg in expressing my feelings of deep sadness on the events in Madrid. Has the world gone mad?

Love to all.

Oh, no. I'm so angry and horrified, having just read the news about the Madrid bombings (I don't get the paper). Thank you for letting me know. We have friends in Madrid. It is so shocking and pointless.

Kindest sympathies for the families and friends of all involved.

Originally posted by Maeglian
I agree with tg on the "the LotR book is only read by boys" thing. That's a really silly thing to say. Why on earth would he think that?

I don't think he was giving his own opinion, I think he was merely expressing what the "conventional wisdom" is---or at least, WAS. Hey, all the MBA-armed marketing geniuses at New Line were similarly misguided!

The one part of that interview that literally made me shout, "NO!" out loud was the comment about Viggo and Orli getting all the female attention. Yeah, right.

Oh my!!:cool: Just wanted to jump in to say Elijah was absolutely terrific on Leno. I agree I agree. I was dreading it after the last time when Leno seemed so arrogant. This time Leno seemed to treat him like an old pal...so much friendlier. And Elijah so relaxed and spontaneous and funny. Very good touch with the old interview and the silly string. Okay. Looked good, too, didn't he?

(((Faculty)))
So many good posts lately I haven't been able to keep up. But I love it. :k

what a dancer he is!!!
i miised the show, sometimes is old guste and somtimes itd new you never know,they never write out it in the paper
its making me so mad i really wanted to see it!!

Hey ladies! Dropping in to add a wonderful review snippet for Eternal Sunshine

"The two leads are surrounded by a quartet of 'professionals' from Lacuna, Inc., the company that does mind erasings. And one could not ask for a more unusual foursome: Oscar Nominee Tom Wilkinson (In The Bedroom), Kirsten Dunst (Bring It On), Mark Ruffalo (You Can Count On Me), and Elijah Wood (Lord of the Rings). While they are perhaps odd matches in a Hollywood casting office, the four share one important underlying trait...they are all vastly talented and widely underrated actors who need only the right script to shine. In ETERNAL SUNSHINE, all of them reach for the stars and each snags at least a few. Especially touching is Ruffalo, whose stoner loser finds himself completely out of his depth (scientifically and emotionally), and Wood, whose rebellious youngsters rapidly becomes, um, whipped."

Rest of the review here:
http://mixedreviews.net/maindishes/2004/eternalsunshine/eternalsunshine.shtml

posted by hobbityme
the four share one important underlying trait...they are all vastly talented and widely underrated actors
Very good!
Thanks, hobbityme!:cool:

Can you believe this attack in Spain?
The news here was just awful to watch. As so many people, I was watching that news with a mixture of anger and sadness. It's beyond my comprehension. How on earth can you justify for yourself the deliberate plan to kill and hurt as many innocent people as you possibly can during rush hour in the heart of Spain?
Added to that, there's this awful trial here (some of you may have heard of the Dutroux case). I'm not going to give any details about that case because it's just too sickening but combined with the terrorist attack in Madrid, I really needed something positive and uplifting after that. (The Jay Leno show sure was enough to put me in a good mood)

I saw The Witness yesterday.
I'm not going to write too much about this because I really don't want to spoil it for those who haven't seen it but....
WOW!
If you really don't want to read anything about it...look away...now

*** Spoilers The Witness ***

That piece of film says a lot without using words! Really beautiful.
I must say that I liked Gary Sinise a lot in this little film. He really shows you very well what seems to be going through his mind and the movie asks a question a lot of people ask themselves when they hear of things like the massacres in WWII. What goes through the mind of people who are involved in these sort of monstrosities? I can imagine that a lot of the soldiers who worked in these awful places must have had terrible nightmares for the rest of their lives. All these horrible pictures going through their minds and I guess that the images of young kids must have had the most impact on them.
So, I was wondering if somebody out there - who was involved in the Spain attack - was having difficulties sleeping this night? I sure hope so. I'd hate to think that people are capable of doing such a thing without blinking an eye.

*** END Spoilers The Witness ***


A more positive topic now: how was the Conan show with Elijah?
Edit: found the clips online. :)


LOS ANGELES — Move over, Schwarzenegger, Stallone and Van Damme, because the list of movie stars who have busted their butts to learn how to kick ass in a movie has just gotten a new name.

"I've been in fight training," Elijah Wood revealed at this week's premiere for "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind," the smart new drama in which he co-stars with Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet (see "Jim Carrey, Kate Winslet, Elijah Wood Bask In 'Eternal Sunshine' At Premiere").

It's all in preparation for the movie "The Yank," which the "Lord of the Rings" star will be shooting for six weeks in England beginning later this month.

"It's a movie about English football — soccer — and hooliganism," he explained. "Fans of football there sort of form these factions and fight amongst [each other]. It's a massive part of the culture. It's all throughout Europe and a lot of it is prevalent in England. I play an American who gets mixed up in that world after coming over to visit his sister."

"The Yank," originally titled "Hooligans" (see "What Lies Ahead For The Hobbits?"), was written by Dougie Brimson, a former serviceman, and is being directed by Lexi Alexander, whose short film "Johnny Flynton" earned an Oscar nomination in 2002. In addition to Wood, the cast includes Ross McCall ("Band of Brothers") and "Nicholas Nickleby" star Charlie Hunnam, last seen in "Cold Mountain."

"It'll be pretty incredibly violent and realistic," Wood promised with a grin. "It'll be fun."

"The Yank" (which could very well be called "Hooligans" again before it's released) is due in theaters next year.

Wood has also completed work on the animated feature "Happy Feet," with Robin Williams and Brittany Murphy, which should surface sometime in 2006.

—Ryan J. Downey
Source: www.mtv.com

Another review of ESOTSM:
Carrey takes all his usual antic energy and bottles it up tight to portray an anal man both attracted and repelled by Winslet's free spirit who changes her attitudes almost as frequently as her hair color. Wilkinson gives the doctor such a calm intelligence that you almost forget what an appalling device he has invented. Ruffalo is goofy and unthinking, while Wood's puppy love for a former patient has a genuinely nasty side, the equivalent of psychological rape. Dunst is deep into hero worship of all the scientists, especially Wilkinson's gentle guru, without realizing the implications of that hero worship.
See the entire review:
here (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=reviewsNews&storyID=4552772)

Elijah on Graham Norton!:eek:

OMG! I have longed to see our boy appear on a UK talk show, but this is one I secretly dreaded. As some of you must know, Graham Norton is VERY naughty. Don’t expect any in-depth questioning here - from my experience it will be played for laughs, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the ’gay’ issue came up. On his UK show Graham likes to surf the internet live, and check out various sites - apparently he did this with Orlando Bloom, logging on to an OB site, and making much fun of the posters, mainly fan-girly type stuff. My neighbour said it was hilarious, though I didn‘t see it myself.

It’s a nightmare of mine that Elijah would be on this show, and Graham would find us here at KD, and pick on us! Perhaps his NY show is different - I haven’t watched one through, just caught snippets here and there - but be warned. Oh, and expect Elijah to enter via the audience aisle, escorted on either side by a scantily-clad female!

I will tape it, of course - it could be really funny, and I guess Elijah would be up for it.

Waiting in anticipation…

I'm not ignoring the last few posts - am going back to read them!:)

Blossom, thank you for the "dancing" gif. Thats about as far away from "Frodo" as one can get ! :D

As a fellow Brit I join you in bemoaning the lack of Elwood on any British chat shows. And I agree about Graham Norton. :eek:
Is Elijah on the show broadcast tonight on Channel 4 ?
I'd hate to endure one of the shows only to find it was the wrong one!

Perhaps Elijah will be on Parkinson, when he's in the UK filming The Yank? I live in hope.

From all the reviews posted ( thank you everyone ), I am looking forward to seeing ESoTSM when it eventually opens here.

((( Elda ))) Nice to "see" you again. :)

Hi dear Faculty ladies!
Sorry for off-topic, but... If there are any Spaniards among us here? I worry a lot after this terrible attack in Madrid...
I'm very sorry for spanish people and can understand their feelings quite well - here in Moscow just a month ago we had survived the terrorist bomb attack in metro, not so huge as in Madrid, but of the same kind, with many people killed... Please, tell, is everybody OK among the European Faculty members?

The Graham Norton show is on Friday, quicksilver:
From TORN:
Elijah willl be on NY Graham Norton this Friday 3/12. Graham Norton will be shown in the UK at 22:40 GMT on channel 4
Keep us informed on what happened on the show, will you?
I have only seen Graham Norton when he was on the Red Nose Day Show on the BBC and I did enjoy that special show (but maybe he wasn't as 'naughty' because it was for the BBC)


Rikka:
It's so sad that we have to learn to live with this sort of threat.
I work in the heart of Brussels (you've probably even seen the building I work in yesterday on tv (when Prodi gave his reaction).
I work in the middle of the European headquarters, quite near to the NATO headquarters and I commute (train + metro).
So, if they decide to strike in the European capital...I have a very good chance of being hit. But, I can't be afraid of it because that's no way to live.

I’m really looking forward to EW on Graham Norton. He usually gives the impression of knowing NOTHING about the interviewees, but he’s quite good fun and quirky and the internet stuff will be…er… interesting. Knowing him Graham will probably pick up on those notorious photoshopped Frodo and Sam pics. And he usually plays some kind of silly rude game with the audience that the celeb goes along with, which is also a bit of fun.

ESOTSM is currently 100% on rottentomatoes.com! All the reviews are great. I am so looking forward to seeing a depraved, pathetic, nasty EW. :D

Have been enjoying all the wonderful posts here as usual - and also as usual I don't often get round to replying because everyone seems able to express my thoughts & feelings far better than I can myself - so 99% of my posts would be of the 'me too' variety:o

BLOSSOM - loved your dancing Lij gif!! He certainly can dance - what a mover:D He was just completely adorable and delightful on that show and seemed very happy.
Like you I am also dreading Graham Norton tonight!! Haven't seen it all that often, but when I have - oh dear:eek: If he is going to pick on an internet sitet I doubt very much it would be this one when you consider some of the others:( Mind you, I've never seen the NY show- I can't imagine it would be anywhere near as outrageous as the UK version. HOWEVER - I just happened to catch Billy on This Morning yesterday & he mentioned that Elijah would be coming over here in a couple of weeks to start filming. Philip Schofield then said "Well, next time you see him ask him to come on the show" and Bill replied "yes, and I'm sure he will". Keeping my fingers crossed for that one. And I'm keeping everything crossed that he will come to Collectormania5 - although he'll be filming its very close to London and I'm sure he'll be allowed at least a weekend off.

I have also heard today that Elijah will be on the Regis & Kelly Show again on 18th March.

It's so sad that we have to learn to live with this sort of threat. ... But, I can't be afraid of it because that's no way to live. [/B]

Exactly. As tired as I've gotten of the words "if we do ____, the terrorists win", we can't live our lives paralyzed by fear. I look at Europe and the UK for role models of grace under this kind of duress; you've been at it a lot longer than we have.

Being from the country that so recently joined the rest of the world in the experience and fight against these dreadful attacks, Spain has my sympathies. Is the European equivalent of the Red Cross involved at all? Do they have a web site?

Two and 1/2 years ago I was playing with my kittens when we (kittens noticed it too) heard a plane go over my house - too low, too fast, wrong place. I didn't find out till over an hour later that it had crashed into the Pentagon, a few miles up the road. My house is on the flight path for aircraft from Quantico and other military bases, and I still stop and listen when I hear them go over. All the cats know is that we heard that sound and then I was upset, so they listen too.

What a terrible thing. I hope they catch the b**t**ds quickly.

:::: hauling post back on-topic ::::

Thanks for the gif. It's still running on my 'puter. :) But whoever said it's "un-Frodo-like, take a look at the party scene in FotR. The ol' elbows were doing roughly the same thing, even if the pants weren't boot-cut. ;)

~grumpy

But whoever said it's "un-Frodo-like, take a look at the party scene in FotR. The ol' elbows were doing roughly the same thing, even if the pants weren't boot-cut.

Well, Frodo's Funky Chicken dance did cross my mind.... but no- its definately only EW that I saw in that gif. :D
JMHO of course.

This is why I would love to see Elwood on a UK chat show. To see more than just the brief glimpse of him that I've had from DVD extra's and internet clips and to actually hear him talk at more length would be wonderful!

Edit; thanks Moondancer. I dont know if I can watch it live as I'm expecting visitors, and my video has thrown a wobbly recently so I may not be able to tape it. But I will try my best.

A friend told me today that her Spanish friend had intended to take the train (which was later blown up by the terrorist's bombs) since his car was broken-down. Only the fact that he could borrow a car from another friend saved his life.
Moondancer, this attack in combination with the Dutroux trial in your country really must be horrible. I'm sending all my positive thoughts not only to Spain but to you, too. In fact we all need strong guardian angels!


Blossom, dancing!Lij is a delight! Thank you :) !

And I love all the news on ESOTSM (German title will be "Vergiss mein nicht" that means "forget-me-not". I think that's a nice idea).

My sister taped the Leno show, which I missed!

She watched it already!

She TAPED OVER IT!:mad:

*runs away shrieking*

OH!! ((((Flourish!))))

BAD SISTER!!

Go find it somewhere--it's worth the hunt.

I hope Conan is as good. Haven't seen the tape yet.

I had coffee with a male friend the other day who started musing about Elijah. He suggested that he be required to play all of his future roles dressed entirely as Frodo. I laughed and laughed, imagining him in ETSOTSM, totally acting the correct creepy character, but dressed as Frodo. And in The Yank/Hooligans. Tough soccer violence, in Frodo garb. Sorry guys, but this is the kind of stuff that keeps me going in the face of such news (Madrid, etc.). A little sweet lightness to round off the sorrow...

Originally posted by Alyon
He suggested that he be required to play all of his future roles dressed entirely as Frodo. I laughed and laughed, imagining him in ETSOTSM, totally acting the correct creepy character, but dressed as Frodo. And in The Yank/Hooligans. Tough soccer violence, in Frodo garb.
What that immediately makes me think of is the "sitcom pilot" on Saturday Night Live. There's just something about Frodo hitchhiking, playing video games with Gollum, and (my favorite shot!) drinking coffee from a Far Side mug :D -- beyond surreal. At the time, someone here made the point that there aren't too many actors who could play a parody of himself playing a parody of a character he'd played seriously -- and make it totally distinct from anything he'd done before :) .

That leads straight into a couple of things about Conan last night. Conan mentioned that he'd heard the "hobbits" were planning to build a hobbit hole, and Elijah said they were thinking about buying some land in New Zealand to have a "base" there and that, yeah, they'd kind of joked about building a hobbit hole there (*sigh* -- I suppose no one wants to try to pronounce "smial"). Conan suggested a "reality series" where they'd live in the hobbit hole for about eight months--living completely as hobbits would (even "strapping on the rubber feet")--with a camera recording everything they do. Elijah said that kind of sounded like fun, and Conan replied, very mock seriously, "It would be the biggest career mistake of your life."

Also, something that took me a while to realize--the second guest is a regular cast member on Saturday Night Live, so she and Elijah have worked together. I'm not positively sure, but I think she played Donnatella Versace in the "eggnog commercial" with Elijah's Boy George, and maybe the high school girl in the skit where Elijah's playing a member of a jazz band. What finally knocked it into my head was that Conan showed a clip from last week's Saturday Night Live where she played Elijah :D ! It was just a snippet, and I don't know what the skit was about, but she was dressed the way Elijah was at the Oscars, so I suppose it was connected with that. She certainly had the spiky hair down pat (if a bit exaggerated ;) ). There was also someone playing PJ. Now I wish I would have watched it! (Any regular SNL viewers who can tell us what the skit was about??) One very, very cute shot on Conan's show when the two of them leaned in toward each other so their faces were side-by-side, to let the audience see how much they looked like each other :) .

Conan asked her if she'd ever met any of the other "celebrities" she's impersonated, and she mentioned an actress who'd been SNL host after she'd impersonated her. I waited for someone to mention that Elijah'd hosted the show, but no one did :confused: .

And, for the record, I'd say that being impersonated on SNL definitely means you've "made it"--even more than hosting!

BTW--Only difference between his clothes and hair on Leno and Conan (as far as I could tell) was the addition of the CTJ for Conan :) .

-----More to say, about Elijah :) and the world in general :( -- but will have to come back later for that.

SNL skit was very amusing. SNL cast members showed up during the "News Program" playing PJ & Elijah. PJ said that he won 280 awards for ROTK but EW hasn't won anything, so can they please give him an award, and the "newscasters" gave "EW" a piece of gum ("as an award for excellence in being a hobbit") and then the two trooped off to collect the prize from "Coney Island Hot-dog competition" (I think). It was hilarious....

The snippet from Saturday Night Live was "Weekend Update," a mock-news show they do every week. I guess "PJ" and "Elijah" came in as surprise guests. "PJ" was holding a grocery bag stuffed full of Oscars. :D

I don't know about doing his stuff in Frodo garb, but I really wouldn't mind if Elijah grew and kept the Frodo hair like a permanent Wig (all hail). Could you imagine Frodo in jeans and a blazer walking down the street? (Yes, and now I imagine Frodo in jeans and a blazer getting attacked by rabid fangirls. That's what The Wig (hail) does for him.)

LOS ANGELES — Move over, Schwarzenegger, Stallone and Van Damme, because the list of movie stars who have busted their butts to learn how to kick ass in a movie has just gotten a new name.
Well, once you've kicked Sauron's butt, the rest of these guys are just pikers! :p

from Blossom
Re: Graham Norton: Oh, and expect Elijah to enter via the audience aisle, escorted on either side by a scantily-clad female!
From what I've seen of Elwood, the scantily-clad females are the whole reason why he's on this show. I wonder if they will do web-site send-ups. Some of what's posted out there is hysterical!

Flourish, so sorry your taped show was erased! Must be all this ESOTSM business. Were you able to find clips online?

from Alyon
I had coffee with a male friend the other day who started musing about Elijah. He suggested that he be required to play all of his future roles dressed entirely as Frodo. I laughed and laughed, imagining him in ETSOTSM, totally acting the correct creepy character, but dressed as Frodo.
No problem. It's just "The Cracks of Doom, Even Some More." Stand back, world, the Diminutive Dark Lord is coming through!

from erendis
(Yes, and now I imagine Frodo in jeans and a blazer getting attacked by rabid fangirls. That's what The Wig (hail) does for him.)
Yeah, that Wig. *happy sigh* It works for me!

Dangermouse, I loved the SNL update. Thank you!


(((Rikka))) (((Moondancer))) (((zkgrumpy and her cats))) I have not heard from my friends in Madrid. I suspect that they are fine, but it will be a while before they respond because they are both doctors. I'm watching the news and waiting.

Originally posted by tgshaw

Also, something that took me a while to realize--the second guest is a regular cast member on Saturday Night Live, so she and Elijah have worked together. I'm not positively sure, but I think she played Donnatella Versace in the "eggnog commercial" with Elijah's Boy George, and maybe the high school girl in the skit where Elijah's playing a member of a jazz band.


Isn't Rachel funny? Actually, Donatella Versace was played by Mya Rudolph, who was also in the Wake Up, Wakefield (the high school jazz band bit) sketch as the girl who's obsessed with Clay Aiken. Rachel Dratch was in that sketch as the boy who's a friend of Elijah's character and loves Yo Yo Ma.


What finally knocked it into my head was that Conan showed a clip from last week's Saturday Night Live where she played Elijah :D ! It was just a snippet, and I don't know what the skit was about, but she was dressed the way Elijah was at the Oscars, so I suppose it was connected with that. She certainly had the spiky hair down pat (if a bit exaggerated ;) ). There was also someone playing PJ.


That was Horatio Sanz (who played Rosie O'Donnell in the episode Lij was in).


Conan asked her if she'd ever met any of the other "celebrities" she's impersonated, and she mentioned an actress who'd been SNL host after she'd impersonated her.


Calista Flockhart.


And, for the record, I'd say that being impersonated on SNL definitely means you've "made it"--even more than hosting!


Yeah, how 'bout that?! And Lij was genuinely thrilled.


BTW, re: Graham Norton -- I personally love him and wish I could see the show tonight! Of course, I love Lij's "serious" interviews, but I also love seeing him laugh and be silly and 23 too.

Thank you, Mariole and Alyon! I'm making do with Blossom's hilarious gif right now and hoping I'll find out ahead of time if the Leno show is ever repeated.

Meanwhile sis tells me she taped Conan and a morning show that Elijah was just on (and I didn't even know she was an Elijah fan, how about that!), and instead of taping over those she's bringing them to my house tomorrow.

So I guess I'll have to forgive her.:D

From another ESotSM review (this one from Gabriel Shanks):

"The two leads are surrounded by a quartet of 'professionals' from Lacuna, Inc., the company that does mind erasings. And one could not ask for a more unusual foursome: Oscar Nominee Tom Wilkinson (In The Bedroom), Kirsten Dunst (Bring It On), Mark Ruffalo (You Can Count On Me), and Elijah Wood (Lord of the Rings). While they are perhaps odd matches in a Hollywood casting office, the four share one important underlying trait...they are all vastly talented and widely underrated actors who need only the right script to shine. In ETERNAL SUNSHINE, all of them reach for the stars and each snags at least a few. Especially touching is Ruffalo, whose stoner loser finds himself completely out of his depth (scientifically and emotionally), and Wood, whose rebellious youngster rapidly becomes, um, whipped."

Thanks for all the SNL details :) .

Too bad about Leno, Flourish, but IMVHO the interview on Conan was much better, and the GMA one this morning better yet (more serious, though).

Definitely a pro, that EJW ;) . This morning on GMA--news program, y'know, watched by us old codgers instead of the teens and young 20's who generally watch Conan--Elijah was nicely dressed, hair brushed (and looking very handsome IMHO) with no spikes in sight. He wasn't dressed up, which was especially evident when Charlie Gibson wanted to see if he had shoes on and, of course, he did--rather beat-up red tennis shoes :) . But no untucked shirttails, and a dark jacket instead of the CTJ.

Because ABC televised the Academy Awards, I wasn't too surprised that they showed some footage of Oscar night, and talked about the "sweep." But the morning shows do tend to actually talk about the movie more than the late-night shows, so the interview was pretty centered on ESOTSM. Same clip all three shows, though :confused: !

And this is terrible to admit :o , but after seeing all three so close together, I can't remember if it was with Conan or Charlie that there was conversation about the sense of "becoming the enemy" during the Oscars ceremony as RotK kept winning everything. Anyway, the host (whoever it was :rolleyes: ) asked about it, and Elijah said they began thinking Clint Eastwood would end up saying, "Make my day, hobbits," a la Dirty Harry ;) . First time I think that I've heard anyone from either RotK or Mystic River actually talk about that rivalry openly, even in a joking way.

For the first hour or so, I thought there might be too much "hard news" today for GMA to work in an entertainment interview, but they did manage to sqeeze it in. At the end of the program, Charlie mentioned that Kate Winslet will be on--but I didn't catch whether it would be on the Saturday program tomorrow or sometime next week. There is a Saturday edition of Good Morning, America (or at least there used to be), but it's not shown in Omaha.

I've always been very fond of Charlie Gibson, and I enjoyed the interview this morning (maybe why I don't remember too much of what was said, with two of my favorite guys to watch :p ). And I don't think it's accidental that this is the first time Elijah's been on his program. My cynical side thinks it's very interesting that, as far as I know (and I was watching for it), GMA interviewed no one for any of the three LotR movies--and now as soon as Elijah's in a different movie, *bang*, there he is. It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that ABC is owned by Disney... could it?? :rolleyes:

I read a report about his interview on the Graham Norton show and he does talk about websites but don't worry about it, Blossom, Shireling and others...The report says that Norton showed sites of a more naughty variety...involving Frodo and Sam (I'm sure that you catch my drift here)

He was on for the entire hour but it featured him for about half an hour.

I won't tell anymore to let the UK viewers see for themselves and...please do tell about it.
:)

The "becoming the enemy" at the Oscars was from last night's Conan. He also mentioned that feeling in the Entertainment Weekly post-Oscars issue.

What I'd like to hear, but none of the interviewers are mentioning, is if EW and Kate Winslet had any discussions about Peter Jackson while on set! It's a great common background for them, and I'm surprised that no one's mentioned it yet.

Blossom, THANK YOU for yet another fabulous gif!! (How on earth did you get that, living in the UK?? Don't tell me - you have the right cable provider ....)

Feeling deprived tonight. First of all a German friend called to tell me EW was on one of the German cable channels right NOW !!! Checked all 40-odd channels without spotting so much as a cell of that beautiful face :( (Talking of faces, it turns out it was "Das zweite Gesicht", aka "The Good Son", being broadcast yet again on one of the channels NOT carried by my cable provider, dammit :( .)
(Good thing I have that on DVD - heh - will invite friend round to see it in the original with German subtitles :p )

Said friend seemed surprised EW so popular. He sees him everywhere :) (and from what I read here he isn't the only one ;)) But the thing is - he recognised adorable 12-year-old Elwood, chubby face and all! Suspect has become a fan - not that he'd ever admit it ....:)

SECONDLY, Graham Norton is ALSO being broadcast right NOW [EDIT; was when I wrote this!] but I can no longer get UK Channel 4 !!!! Rats and double rats.

But THIRDLY :
Good News: both Leno and Conan are to be broadcast on CNBC in Europe tomorrow night :) Beginning at 9 p.m.
Bad News: I can't get that channel either :( Are they doing this to me DELIBERATELY? Would change cable provider if not also Internet provider. Hmm.
Luckily that very same friend has agreed to tape it for me. What a sweet guy.

And FOURTHLY: ROTK is being shown in French in local cinema tomorrow afternoon and, purely in the interests of scientific research on foreign-language dubbing and its aesthetic and psychological effects :), I'm going to see it. Shall report back in due course.

Moondancer, I note ROTK is still on (in French) in Brussels (Laeken). Since I too have to be there next week and the week after (very close to where you were today), it'll be very tempting to drop in - yet again. Maybe we'll see each other ??

And yes, we too have been getting some of the Dutroux trial reports. He was apparently heading this way when (last) caught.

And we too had several minutes' silence today in honour of those who died or were maimed or lost loved ones in Madrid, in the company of our Spanish colleagues and the Mayor of this city. Hundreds of people assembled. People were in a state of shock. All such atrocities do for the perpetrators is rob them of their humanity.

(((Mariole))), I hope your friends are safe.

Such wonderful posts recently. Far too many to reply to. Have been left far behind by RL.

PS Starsailor has just been on Jonathan Ross's show. A good band. Wonder if they are on Elijah's list of must-see/hear musicians?

Off to look up the Norton Reports .....

Originally posted by serena

Moondancer, I note ROTK is still on (in French) in Brussels (Laeken). Since I too have to be there next week and the week after (very close to where you were today), it'll be very tempting to drop in - yet again. Maybe we'll see each other ??

Sounds good!
Laeken? There's a movie theater in Laeken?

You can see the original version in kinepolis, Brussels (in fact, you can see the marathon)

We're talking about the same one! Kinepolis (they tell me) is in Laeken ....

Marathon,. you say ????? Don't tempt me ... I'm supposed to be working there !!!

The discussion about ROTK becoming the enemy was from this morning's GMA -- and actually, Lij was on with Charlie last year, for TTT, and in December, for ROTK. In fact, the only show he hasn't done is Letterman (and he wasn't on the Today Show this time around but was on last year). Don't know if the avoidance of Letterman has to do with his being a somewhat frequent guest on Leno -- some of that old rivalry between the two shows seems to still exist.

Originally posted by Achila
The discussion about ROTK becoming the enemy was from this morning's GMA --
Hmmm... When someone sees a repeat of the Conan show maybe they can "break the tie" between Sharpe's Girl and Achila ;) . Or maybe it was talked about on both shows :) !

...and actually, Lij was on with Charlie last year, for TTT, and in December, for ROTK.
Good heavens! How did I miss that--I thought I was keeping pretty good track :( .

(and he wasn't on the Today Show this time around but was on last year).
He was on the Today Show at least twice--for FotR (in a gorgeous blue-and-green mottled sweater that I still covet :) , but I've never seen him wear it again), and a second time, which must have been for TTT[?], when he and Matt Lauer had "matching" nearly-shaved heads :p .

In fact, the only show he hasn't done is Letterman... Don't know if the avoidance of Letterman has to do with his being a somewhat frequent guest on Leno -- some of that old rivalry between the two shows seems to still exist.
IIRC, he was on Letterman "early in the game" for FotR--the only reason I'm thinking that is from (very possibly faulty ;) ) memories of people complaining about Dave being rude to him. But, yeah, I have heard stories of people who appear on one of those shows not being welcome on the other.

Sharpe's Girl--The only topic common to Elijah and Kate that I've heard Elijah asked about is the experience of coming off of a huge blockbuster and wanting to do smaller films afterward. (Since Titanic and RotK are now 1 and 2 on the "best box office ever" list, that's kind of an interesting connection, too. But Elijah didn't have much to add--just agreed with the interviewer that, yes, he was interested in doing smaller movies now, too.)

Originally posted by serena
We're talking about the same one! Kinepolis (they tell me) is in Laeken ....

Marathon,. you say ????? Don't tempt me ... I'm supposed to be working there !!!
Erm...:o ...yeah...I went to bed after that *ahem* brilliant post of mine and I realised it when I was about to get to sleep...Kinepolis is in Laeken, Brussels.:D

(Apologies in advance to people who also read the Harem thread, for copying and pasting this here - it's so much easier than writing everything out twice !! )

Well, here in the UK, we were treated to Elijah's appearance as a guest on the extremely funny, and risque "Graham Norton in New York" show, and as a double treat, John Malkovitch was the other guest too... Now, I don't know how many of you good ladies in the USA, are familiar with Our Graham's rather outre style ?...suffice to say that either you love wickedly camp humour or you are deeply irritated by it ...anyway, Elijah was well up for it, even outdoing Graham by pre-empting the inevitable references to the Frodo/Sam gay pairing, that is prevalent on various websites, by referring Graham to one particular site that features many Photoshop manipulations of Frodo and Sam in certain positions...it was hilarious...even Graham was shocked, and believe me when I say that it takes a LOT to shock him...he's the one usually doing the shocking !!!

Elijah held his own in the onslaught of innuendo and playacting that followed, and, once again, proved that he is a master at the interviewing game...I've often thought that I'd love to see how he coped with Graham's show, being SO SO British in its humour - shocking, witty, camp, and utterly irreverent, and I got my wish last night...
Hurray !!!

Blossom,
Sadly I missed the Tonight Show with Jay Leno ( three cheers for having the right channel available ) but I reckoned on not really missing much seeing as I was SO disappointed with that show last time he was on it - too little Lij and too much Jay, imo - and there, you see, I missed his little dance !!! Goddammit :( :( :(...
So thank you for the magical little gif...( I shall have to christen you "Gif-guru" )
And talking of Graham Norton...
It’s a nightmare of mine that Elijah would be on this show, and Graham would find us here at KD, and pick on us!

Nah...we're FAR too sane for Graham to even bother with....The website he picked on was suggested by Elijah himself, and it made for much better Graham-style telly then we ever could !!! Thank goodness...

Big Thanks to everyone who's been sharing the tales of Elijah's appearances on all the shows to date. It's almost as good as being able to watch it myself. Well. Almost. ;) :k

Blossom - that gif! :D

Hobbityme et al, thank you also for compiling all the encouraging ESotSM reviews out there.

And last but not least,

http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/12500.jpg

Happy Birthday, Mariole! :cool: :cool: :k :k

To those who had to miss a couple of the shows with EJW: most of it is online
* You can find the entire Jay Leno thing online (including the dance in the hall)
* Conan O'Brien
* Most of "Good Morning America"
* Most of his presentation work on TRL, mtv.
It's on a site you can't link to here but if anybody's interested, just send me a message and I'll guide you to the right place(s).


I'm hoping to find the Graham Norton show online somewhere. If anybody else finds it, would you give us a hint where we can find it?

Happy birthday, Mariole!

Happy birthday, Mariole!

:) :) :)


(((Hugs))) to all of you who, like me, are shaken and sad over the recent tragic events here in Europe, be it Madrid or the Dutroux trial. :(

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Thank you all who've been providing all the info about the various talkshows and such, and about clips to be found. Not getting any of these shows on TV, I feel a little like a poor small kid standing outside of the candy shop while everyone else is inside having heaps of sweets. But I'd much rather know as much as at all possible about what's going on in there! So thank you, all! I enjoy reading about it. :)

I saw clips from the Leno show, that must have been one of the best ever! Looking at those clips from Lij was a kid, even then so sure (and so *earnest!*) when appearing on a major talk show. And that *dance* and the silly string and the laudry :rolleyes: and all! :) Adorable!

The mind boggles. He's 23 and have been doing talkshows and interviews continuously for nearly 2/3rds of his life. No wonder he's such a pro at it and so relaxed about it.

I have no clue who the lady was that appeared at the same show, but she was great. I wouldn't have wanted to turn my back on Elijah either.
I'm hoping to find the Graham Norton show online somewhere. If anybody else finds it, would you give us a hint where we can find it? Oh yes, **please**!!! This sounds like a show I'd *really* have liked to watch! And if clips aren't available, I'd be very happy for any links to as detailed written recaps as possible. Or more details from the UK Faculty members, of course! Thanks, Lady Wendy, for the one you posted above! :)


Wishing you all a fine weekend! :)

Happy birthday, Mariole!
:cool: :) :cool:

Here some impressions of the importance of your favourite muscle - the famous Sternocleidomastoid... enjoy!

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Hi all! Well Norton was very funny last night and I’m happy EW got in the spirit of things. As Lady Wendy mentioned, Graham goes for a kind of OTT camp humour which either you like or you don’t. :)

Spoilers follow for Graham Norton, if you care about that kind of thing!

Anyway it started well, with EW indeed led on by a couple of scantily-clad ladies (a little too tall, though ;) ) and giving GN a bit of a hug. They first of all talked about the Oscars, and EW went through basically the same thing he mentioned to Jay Leno, about feeling a big bad about snagging ALL the Oscars. Graham then mentioned the fans (everyone sniggered at the term ‘ringers’ – yep, it’s that kind of programme!) and that’s when EW mentioned those photoshopped pics of Frodo and Sam in various erotic positions (ha! I was right! Ha!) which, of course, Graham happened to have bookmarked on his PC. (For those who don’t know, it’s a common feature of the show to bring up weird and obsessive fansites for the celebrities that are featured.) That was funny and it was majorly weird seeing EW looking at half-naked pics of himself.

Then Graham mentioned how he had auditioned for the part of Sam (just like everyone in the British Isles, seemingly) and said how he was rubbish, and then EW mentioned how PJ had every audition taped filed (Kylie Minogue’s, etc). Graham then said how he wanted to play out one of the scenes so he and EW put some rather ratty wigs on and EW did his ‘I’m glad you’re with me, Sam’, speech and Graham did a Sean Astin ‘I wuv you’ look. There was also something about people in the audience having stuff they wanted to throw into the flames of Mordor, and it happened to be an old pair of pant(ies) so they did a skit on that (luckily EW didn’t decide to claim them at the last minute!

After the break there was a mention of ESOTSM with a clip and EW mentioned something about him falling in love with Kate’s character, but that bit not being I the film? Not sure about that. He then hung around when John Malcovitch came on. There was a very interesting bit when Graham mentioned how Malcovitch had a ‘violent’ past and used to throw fits in banks and he said something about EW’s violent past as well. Elijah at this point looked a little shifty and said ‘you’ve done your research’ and mentioned how he had shut his mother out of the house a couple of times and ‘trashed the kitchen’ while she watched. Somehow I find the idea of a cute little Elijah merrily trashing the place rather chilling!

That as much as I can remember – it was very cute anyhow and EW was very funny. And he wore the tan jacket! That is the tan jacket, right?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARIOLE!

Thanks so much for the run-down on the GN show, Random and Lady Wendy! :D Makes me want to see it all the more. Here's hoping it will appear online.

And very belated thanks, zkgrumpy, for the run-down on, ahem, Coca-Cola and Q-waves :confused:

I get the feeling I've forgotten to thank a lot of people recently. If so, apologies .... and belated thanks to the Faculty for all the scintillating contributions.

Love, serena

Some more musculoskeletal beauty--in honor of Mariole's birthday:

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--which probably just about uses up my image quota for the post:

8-)

And Happy Birthday to LetYourLoveShin[e] if you're still lurking.

8-)

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Thanks for the news on the Graham Norton program. I'm totally unsurprised that Elijah was prepared to take on the host at his own game. I think I'm content with just reading about that appearance, though... ;-)

Happy Birthday Mariole...and thanks to all who supplied details about Graham's show. BBC America has Graham on Friday nights (11-12 EST) so hopefully Lij's show will be on soon.

Lij was also on MTV's Total Request Live yesterday, and guest hosted for the entire hour. It was so wonderful to see how poised and relaxed he was. Of course, he was talking about music, which is easy for him (although he didn't know a lot of the artists whose videos were on there) but there were many screaming fangirls in the audience and that had to be a little bit unnerving!

He did sound very hoarse to me, and has been on several of the recent appearances. It makes me wonder if he's smoking more (and biting his nails more) and is perhaps more anxious than he's letting on about his new post-Frodo role, and how well he'll be received as Patrick. As a professional, he goes on these shows and says how much he loves being identified as Frodo, but how he feels about that deep down may be a different story. He has made some comments about not wanting to end up like Mark Hamill so there's some concern there, I think. And ultimately, ESOTSM may prove to be the most important role of his career from that standpoint, in the sense that it will immediately show whether he can do a wide range of parts (and we know he can, so there should be no problems transcending Frodo).

Anyway, a couple more appearances in the US to look for -- 3/18 -- Regis and Kelly, and E! will have a special about ESOSTM that will begin airing that same day. As always, check your local listings.

Originally posted by Lady Wendy
...I've often thought that I'd love to see how he coped with Graham's show, being SO SO British in its humour - shocking, witty, camp, and utterly irreverent, and I got my wish last night...
Hurray !!! Three years of Dom/Billy/Ian/Ian/Orli, and you thought Elijah might have a problem coping with a British talk show? :rolleyes: ;) :k

You all are so dear! Thank you so much for the birthday wishes! :k :k

What a lovely assortment of pics to look at! Ainon, how did you know that was my favorite pose from that shoot? Am I that obvious? *covers face in shame*

And much as I appreciated the clear and relevant poses of Whiteling's Sternocleidomastoid shots, I'm afraid I must confess to liking (I mean, really liking) Tg's pics better. I hope you're okay with that! :p

Lady Wendy and Random, thank you so much for the GN update. Oh, how I wished I could have seen it! Please put me on the list next to Maeglian for notification if clips are posted. Achila, thank you for your impressions of TRL. I'm curious to see how Elijah reacted to the squealing fangirl quotient. I noticed on Leno that he was a bit hoarse. I think perhaps his voice just gets overworked when he does so many shows and so much traveling as he does when he promotes a new film.

Anyway, I'm thoroughly delighted with my Elijah discussion and piccies. Thank you all, dear Faculty! :k :k :k

(((Dear Mariole)))
Happy birthdday to you!

Happiest of Birthdays, Mariole! May the sun always shine on your face, and the wind be always at your back.

Thanks for all the news on the talk shows, everyone. I, of course, failed to tape the last batch, and they turned out to be some of the best. I absolutely loved how courteous Elijah was to the woman on Leno with him. She was uncomfortable taking the spotlight from him, and he said "it's your turn". I don't think there are many 'stars' who would have responded quite that graciously.

I would love to see the GN show. It's so wonderful that there are international communities where we can share the happenings (and the clips) around the world.

I was wondering, though - has anyone seen evidence that Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet are doing as much publicity for this show as Elijah? He is, after all, NOT the Main Character, and yet I haven't noticed the other two out doing the circuit quite as much as EW. Perhaps I'm being unobservant, but I was just wondering if anyone else had gotten this impression as well.

Yes! I finally got to see Elijah, as himself on a TV show. GN wouldnt have been my show of choice though, but I'll take what I can get! :D
Please,please let him be on Parkinson at some stage!

Thankfully I managed to get my video working so at least I can re-run it and concentrate on the important bits. ;)
Others have already posted the main details so I wont repeat them. Elijah looked very casual in an untucked cream/white shirt with a brown check in it, jeans and red trainers (sneakers).
In the Mount Doom skit, it turned out that GN thought that EW had worn his own hair in Lotr!

I was really pleased to see the ESoTSM clip and as Random said;

After the break there was a mention of ESOTSM with a clip and EW mentioned something about him falling in love with Kate’s character, but that bit not being I the film? Not sure about that.

I think Elijah said that you dont see the part where he erases Kates characters' memories but that his character falls in love with her at that time and then steals Jim Carreys persona to make her fall for him."And who wouldnt?" quipped our boy.

Elijah is always so self effacing; he said about Kate's role, "Its very different for her" "She's amazing" and that all the roles were different to what the actors usually play.
Sounds good!

**** HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARIOLE *****

happy birthday mariol:k :k
i wish i could have seen all this shows wonder if they ever
will show them over here?
so glad i can read about it here thank god for you
lovly guys:k :k :D :D

Happy Birthday Mariole!!!


Now where is Hobmom with her pictures?? Last night I stumbled on a site with lots of TRL pics and I think it was one of Hobmom's. I am not adept with my interneting--like getting the URL etc. If I have time I'll see if I can find it again this morning and maybe if I dither about I can get the link. But it would be a lot more convenient if Hobmom decided to step in and do it for us!!

Thanks Random and Lady Wendy for the Graham Norton rundown. Elijah seems to be in fine form all round. So nice...

Hello Faculty Colleagues! Sorry to have turned into such a lurker; life has been v. busy lately. But I have thoroughly enjoyed your comments and insights.

First order of business: HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MARIOLE! And to Letyourloveshine!

My condolences to anyone who suffered a loss in the madness in Madrid. Although I fear that these acts are aimed at all of us. :(

This week has been a veritable cornucopia of Elwood appearances! Leno, Conan, GMA, TRL, and Graham Norton (haven't seen the latter...am desperate...does anyone know where clips can be found??? Praying for BBC-A to air this show....)
And next week ESOTSM opens! Woo-hoo! I'm very glad the reviews have been so positive! :)

Having seen most of these public appearances, I continue to be totally impressed by this young man. Great sense of humor. Thoughtful. Natural. Gracious. Silly. Articulate. Modest. Geeky. Smart. Not to mention gorgeous.

Random comments: I love the way he turns the conversation away from himself; in the phone call (on TRL) from a girl in Wisconsin, who called him Elwood (he commented on how familiar that was) he asked whether SHE had a nickname. When another fan asked about his favorite concert, he turned the question back on her. When Leno asked about his first appearance on the tonight show, he asked Jay the same question. This man is as far from being an egocentric as can be!

I loved his comments about the number of women in LoTR Fandom. I'm glad somebody finally noticed. And I did get the impression that he was trying out the question to see where he comes in on the Viggo/Orlando attraction scale.

You know, it seems to me that EW is not only carrying the weight of promoting RoTK, but also the weight of promoting ESOTSM. The two studios are getting more than their money's worth in booking him for these appearances. What a tremendous work ethic he has! Are the studios paying attention to this? Will Elwood be able to command $20 million a picture, as Jim Carrey does (apparently)?

Happy Birthday Mariole!

If I had an image-hosting site, I'd stick a picture of "Frodo" holding the sign "Denver or Bust" here... but you can just imagine that Elijah dressed as Frodo is heading for your place to film a sitcom pilot there, or something. :D

Mel

Achila and Peaceweaver...
BBC America has Graham on Friday nights (11-12 EST) so hopefully Lij's show will be on soon.
Graham Norton (haven't seen the latter...am desperate...does anyone know where clips can be found??? Praying for BBC-A to air this show....)

Well, having checked up on the BBC America website, ( just in case ) I can tell you now that the Graham Norton Show being screened on BBC America on Friday nights is NOT the same show...it's called "So - Graham Norton" and is the first series he did for the BBC, before switching to rival independant TV company Channel 4, for whom he is doing this current series of chat shows recorded in New York...
However it will give you a flavour of what the show is like...:D :D :D
I'm sorry to have to pour cold water on your hopes, but otherwise you'd be waiting and waiting and it would never come up...nor will it ever if it wasn't recorded for the BBC in the first place !!!
I will, however, endeavour to watch out for, and post links to, any clips found on the Internet that I can get hold of...:)

Erendis,
Three years of Dom/Billy/Ian/Ian/Orli, and you thought Elijah might have a problem coping with a British talk show?
No...not really !! I should have known better, shouldn't I ? :rolleyes:
Actually, Dom would be a very funny candidate for Graham's wicked sense of humour, wouldn't he, don't you think ?

Before I forget...
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARIOLE !!!

Love the beautiful pics posted in your honour...you lucky girl, you...Yummmm!!
:k

Elijah at this point looked a little shifty and said ‘you’ve done your research’ and mentioned how he had shut his mother out of the house a couple of times and ‘trashed the kitchen’ while she watched. Somehow I find the idea of a cute little Elijah merrily trashing the place rather chilling!
[delurk] Well, he was only two years old when he did it. Personally, I find it rather comforting that Elwood didn't skip right over the "terrible two's" to become the little mature mini-grownup he seems to have been by the age of ten. Sometimes I get the impression he has been that way since birth. Occasionally he lets something slip that reminds you he had to grow up pretty early due to his family situation. I'm always glad to read that he had some "kid" time too.[/relurk]

Blossom,
Many, many thanks for that gif!

tgshaw,
Oooo, I like that Faculty still. Don't remember seeing that particular one before.

Hi, Peaceweaver!
Gee, going on you comments I may have to go track down some of these clips yet.

Welcome, Jeanie! I agree - good to hear Elijah got some kid time. I really get the impression that his mom worked hard to let him be a kid and to keep him clear of excessive hype and Hollywood stress. :)

Happy Birthday, Mariole!

Got you a chocolate motherlode cake.

http://www.9news.com/recipes/images/choccake.jpg

This cake looks a lot more like the ones I actually bake than the ones I usually post here. Only mine have a more pronounced list to one side. :p

Happy Birthday, Let Your Love Shine!

http://www.homewithgranny.com/MVC-007F.JPG

Do not try to eat that! It's potpourri. :)

Saw Forever Young last night, so now I need to go in search of Mariole's angsty Nat for my hubby. Heh. Nat is *so* much like my oldest son. :D

I've been enjoying the conversation but don't have much to say beyond, "Yep, I agree." Oh, and; "Thanks for the reports," to those summariving things for the TV deprived. If I hadn't been interrupted by the kids six times in the past eight minutes I might be able to do better. :rolleyes: Think I gotta get off the computer now.

Sheryl

The Graham Norton clips are online (am downloading them as we speak but it's a slow proces).
I don't know if it's a safe place to link to but if you do an "Elijah Wood" search on google.com, it's usually the second site listed (after A&F).

Edit: that took ages to download! But it was worth it. Graham Norton is so different from the others and it was fantastic to see Elijah act like his charming self. What a professional.
Too bad I can't see the GN show on cable here. I'd love to see more of it.

A quick post.

Firstly, and I just missed it - drat - But this comes with very best wishes, Mariole:
http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/Mariole.jpg

Hope you had a great day!:)

Elijah on Graham Norton:
I loved it. I guessed something like the Frodo/Sam gay images incident would happen, but it was very funny, and once again Elijah was charming. Thanks to all who have posted details here -it means I don't have to!

Originally quoted by peaceweaver:
I continue to be totally impressed by this young man. Great sense of humor. Thoughtful. Natural. Gracious. Silly. Articulate. Modest. Geeky. Smart. Not to mention gorgeous.
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My thoughts exactly!

I think that EW is getting all the promotional stuff this week for ESotSM because of the LotR/Oscar buzz, but also because he's going to be busy filming Yank/Hooligans pretty soon, so he's getting in all the promotional stuff early. Is Carrey back on set filming the Lemony Snicket movie? Maybe that's why he's not doing the talk show circuit.

hallo girls!!!
sorry if i naging about missing the shows,but i was reading
the tv scedual for friday 12.mtv trl live from london
was this the show elijah was in or? if not i have not miss it
but if not when an earth will they show this show with elijah
who can tell?:confused: :confused: :confused: :( :(

Sorry, guys, if anyone watched or recorded Leno or Conan hoping to see Elijah on CNBC last night. Both shows were earlier episodes featuring Martha Stewart (yesterday was apparently "Martha Stewart day" in the US). Leno and Conan are on CNBC again tonight, it seems - but will they be the same shows, or Elijah's?
My German musician friend is recording both before rushing out to play the bassoon in a Beethoven concert. Way beyond the call of duty :)

All these reports of EW being so charming on all these shows reminds me of this Disney Adventures Magazine quote from when he was about 13, I think - he clearly hasn't changed a bit :) :

"Elijah Wood ... is the smartest, cutest, nicest, most fun, most talented actor we've EVER met.”

Wood, sorry to yet again be the bearer of bad news, but from the caps I've seen the MTV show with Elijah must surely have been taped in New York. So when it'll appear over here, if ever, I don't know.


Moondancer, thanks for tipping us off re. the Graham Norton show clips. They're actually up more than one place by now. I really enjoyed the show. I'm pretty certin Elijah's had *much* worse thrown at him from Dom and Billy, so he didn't seem fazed at all.

I know he must be interested in moving on from Frodo, but I for one wouldn't mind him doing more funny skits where he parodies himself as Frodo. It's too hilarious! This is the second one I've seen - and I hope to see more. :D

As for the Theban Band Frodo and Sam slash photomanipulations, the intro to that between him and GN was very obviously fully orchestrated and agreed in advance, and so there's absolutely no doubt he knew exactly what was coming and was in on how to present it. And that means we still do not know how he personally really reacts to that kind of fan activity, exept that we now know it doesn't squick him to the extent that he refuses to participate in a show where it's brought up. Remember we're dealing with one extremely talented and professional actor! He'd had time to plan his reaction in advance here. He responded very proper and PC for that particular show and audience; - a little embarrassed, but taking it in good stride, able to laugh it off and be completely cool about it.

Again I think he's showing his fans a good deal of respect and trust, always being so measured in show appearances and interviews about his reactions to that kind of fan activity and about rumours re. his private life. It really leaves it mostly up to the fans themselves to show the necessary restraint and to draw the line so as to not go too far into the private sphere. That's why I feel so comfortable in this place: Keeping discussions firmly centered around his films, roles, interviews and public appearances, period.

(((Faculty))) :)


I've been wondering whether Kate Winslet and Jim Carrey and Kirsten Dunst have been as active promoting ESOTSM as EJW is. Not having access to any talk shows, they could well be on every one every day for all I know. But from what I read here, he's actually the main guy and the most visible in the ESOTSM promotion? Is that correct, and if so; - it's pretty strange, isn't it? Perhaps he's eager to do it to be seen to move on from Frodo.

Edit after reading Maeg's post--Elijah's definitely been doing most of the promo work, at least on the TV interview shows. The first I've seen of any of the others is Kate Winslet scheduled to be on Good Morning America sometime this next week. And, of course, the MTV viewers are his demographic, so I'm not surprised to see him there. For more on possibly "why," return to initial post as follows :) ...

Sharpe's Girl--I'd agree with your speculation that LotR is a big reason Elijah's doing so much promo work. (In addition, I'm sure it hasn't escaped the marketing folks' attention that he's awfully good at it ;) .) On each of the three network talk shows I've seen EJW on, he's been billed and introduced as "Elijah Wood from the Lord of the Rings Trilogy," then they add something like "...and he has a new movie coming out." And the interviews have all started with talk about the Oscar sweep.

Kate Winslet is supposed to be on GMA sometime this week, but I don't know which day. I have to admit that one reason I'd like to hear some of the other actors interviewed is to see if they say anything about Elijah :) . On GMA, he was very complimentary about Kate's acting. Maybe she'll return the favor?

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Two of our local UHF* stations ran Elijah Wood movies simultaneously yesterday (Saturday) afternoon: Radio Flyer and Oliver Twist. This is made a bit more interesting by the fact that both stations have the same owner. Since both stations show two movies every Saturday afternoon, I have no idea why they decided to run both EW movies at the same time, instead of one following the other, even if on different stations :confused: . Maybe wanting to see which one would pull in more viewers? The cast members listed for Oliver Twist were Richard Dreyfus and Elijah Wood, so people checking the listings would know it was the version EW was in. I was at a workshop all day, so didn't have to choose :p (the picture's clearer on my videos of both movies, anyway ;) .)

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*Realizing that in this age of cable, some people may have forgotten what a UHF station is ;) : It's a lower-power station than VHF, so usually is more of a local/independent station than a network one, although one of the two I mentioned does run some WB programming. On cable, I'd guess there wouldn't be a noticeable difference between VHF and UHF.

Thank you, dear Faculty, for all the happy birthday wishes and cards. You are wonderful, and my happy break during the day! :k :k :k

Regarding ESOTSM promotion, Kate Winslet, Jim Carrey, and Kirsten Dunst could be standing outside my window right now waving signs, and I don't think I'd notice them, as I'd be searching the internet for Graham Norton clips of Elijah to download (Ah, just found the little rascals -- right-click-save!). I imagine they are all probably doing their bits. It seems the heaviest promotion comes just before the movie opens, and maybe for week or two after. Then it fizzles. (This is based on my extensive knowledge of the TTT and ROTK premieres in the US; feel free to contradict or correct me!)

from Maeglian
I think he's showing his fans a good deal of respect and trust, always being so measured in show appearances and interviews about his reactions to that kind of fan activity and about rumours re. his private life. It really leaves it mostly up to the fans themselves to show the necessary restraint and to draw the line so as to not go too far into the private sphere. That's why I feel so comfortable in this place: Keeping discussions firmly centered around his films, roles, interviews and public appearances, period.
Hear, hear! Well said. Although this young man intrigues me, it's his work that got me interested. As long as he keeps making movies (and I hope that's a long time), I'll get to enjoy him as he means for us to enjoy him -- as a polished and professional entertainer, and not as another boring bit of celebrity gossip. Go, Elwood, darling. Best wishes! :k

Edit: Sorry, Tg, just missed your post. Thank you for the research on who is apparently promoting ESOTSM -- interesting! Nice work. But you know, very few actors are very impressive in interviews (IMVVVVVHO). Personally, most of them come across as dingbats to me. Having someone articulate who is charming and sweet (as opposed to ditzy, ego-centric, or arrogant) is probably viewed as a great plus. Elijah is certainly a trooper -- not too important to do "the work" after a movie's done.

Re: all the recent promos that Lij is doing for ESOTSM -- I'm sure that Focus knew exactly what they were doing here, in taking advantage of Lijah's fanbase. Honestly -- show of hands here -- how many of us would be even the least bit interested in this movie if Elijah wasn't in it? I wouldn't. I did like Being John Malkovich but Adaptation left me cold, and I don't like Jim Carrey on a good day.

A funny thing -- I went to my 8th viewing of ROTK yesterday, and it seemed like half the previews had LOTR alums in them. The first was Hidalgo and the second was Chronicles of Riddick -- Karl Urban's in that one. I thought -- gee, if they show Jersey Girl (Liv) and ESOTSM, that makes a perfect score! And you can bet that each one of those movies is being promoted as featuring/starring So and So from Lord of the Rings!

Something else that was funny -- because I've seen the "real" Elijah so many times this past week on TV, I kept getting pulled out of ROTK with the awareness of who Frodo is. That's probably the first time that ever happened -- not Lij's fault, of course!
:cool:

Originally posted by Mariole
But you know, very few actors are very impressive in interviews (IMVVVVVHO). Personally, most of them come across as dingbats to me. Having someone articulate who is charming and sweet (as opposed to ditzy, ego-centric, or arrogant) is probably viewed as a great plus. Elijah is certainly a trooper -- not too important to do "the work" after a movie's done.
Absolutely! And besides being articulate, charming, and sweet :) , someone who's seemingly comfortable and "in his own element" in such a variety of settings. From Graham Norton to the Today Show (or Charlie Rose!!) is quite a spectrum. IMVVHO, this takes someone who's a complex person himself (...while most actors :rolleyes: ). IMHO, the Elijah Wood we saw on Conan with spiked hair and the CTJ, getting laughs from the audience, is the same Elijah Wood we saw about nine hours later on Good Morning America with combed and brushed hair and a nice dark jacket, having a fairly serious conversation about a cerebral (Elijah's word) Kaufman movie. Neither one is an act--they're both part of who he is, and he knows how to approach each audience because, in a way, he can identify with each audience. Those two shows are just examples that particularly struck me because I saw the one just before I went to bed at night and the other just after I woke up the very next morning.

Being willing to do this kind of work as much as Elijah does is also considered by the industry "old guard" as being a good team player, especially appreciated in a younger actor, and is looked on favorably when it comes to handing out "rewards." It's even better that he doesn't give any impression of doing the work because of that, and that he does it so well.

Maeglian,
As for the Theban Band Frodo and Sam slash photomanipulations, the intro to that between him and GN was very obviously fully orchestrated and agreed in advance, and so there's absolutely no doubt he knew exactly what was coming and was in on how to present it. And that means we still do not know how he personally really reacts to that kind of fan activity, exept that we now know it doesn't squick him to the extent that he refuses to participate in a show where it's brought up. Remember we're dealing with one extremely talented and professional actor! He'd had time to plan his reaction in advance here. He responded very proper and PC for that particular show and audience; - a little embarrassed, but taking it in good stride, able to laugh it off and be completely cool about it.

Yes, absolutely...there's nothing on the Graham Norton Show that hasn't been thoroughly rehearsed beforehand, I've no doubt about that...and the comment from Graham, that they had found the website themselves beforehand, and debated whether Elijah would be too embarassed if they featured it, but since he'd mentioned himself, well, here it is ...well...

:D :D :D

Nobody, but nobody, would be fooled by that for a moment, would they ???:rolleyes:

As you say, Elijah is very well-advised to confront the fact that websites like this exist, and maybe, prove that he is not embarassed by speculation about his own sexuality, on various websites that should remain nameless but probably won't !! ...even though it's absolutely nobody's business but his own...

God, but I'd hate to be a celebrity sometimes, wouldn't you ?

Just jumping in briefly to thank Random and Lady Wendy for their summaries of the Graham Norton show. I'd never heard of Norton (in spite of his being "in New York"!) and so I had no idea of the type of show this is. Some of what I'd been reading made it sound as if Norton blindsided Elijah with those photomanips just for the sensationalistic value of making a guest squirm. Now that I hear that it's the nature of the show to be on the outrageous side and that it was Elijah who brought up the subject himself, in what appeared to be a fully planned segment, I feel a lot better about it and again, I have to admire Elijah's affability and sense of humor. Just goes to show there are always two sides to every story. Thanks again!

Originally posted by Lady Wendy

God, but I'd hate to be a celebrity sometimes, wouldn't you ?

Yes. Very much so, yes.

I'd also get focused on something else during "downtime" on set and be a royal pain when it was time to get back to work. "What? But I just got started on this!" :p

But Elijah handles the whole fame thing better than many, I think.

Sheryl

I agree with a lot that has been written here...lots of great posts :)

posted by Maeglian
That's why I feel so comfortable in this place: Keeping discussions firmly centered around his films, roles, interviews and public appearances, period.

yes! I agree completely. I love this place for it.
Elijah Wood gives his fans a lot of respect, people who have met him always talk about how polite, friendly and charming he is.
I'm very glad to have found this place.

I stopped posting and even looking at a forum for another actor because the members of that message board loved to gossip about his private life, his former girlfriends, his marriage, his son,.... Most of the posts are harmless enough and if they like gossip - fine by me - but I'm not that interested in his private life and I don't really feel comfortable doing that.
So, I'm very glad that this Elijah Wood forum respects that his private life belongs to him (and not us, the fans).
I mean, outside his films, he impresses me in his interviews. he seems like an intelligent, articulate and very charming man and it doesn't hurt to look at him either of course but...that's as far as I go.


Anyway, talking about Elijah Wood movies.
I'm working my way through his work here and yesterday, I saw Ash Wednesday. *warning....long ramble following*


*** Spoilers Ash Wednesday ***


I really tried to like this movie. I searched for aspects to love or like but I couldn't find any.
In short, this movie belongs in the bottom of my EJW list (not as low as child in the night and I'm not talking about that movie that shall remain nameless in this forum...I haven't seen it yet)

This movie does not show a lot. It's a series of conversations. That only works if the actors play well together and ...more importantly, if the conversations are smart and/or funny and/or quirky.
I believe that Burns has a bit to learn before he writes another script. He wants to give his characters a certain attitude and make them believable as tough and rough people and letting them utter the F- - - - word every other sentence just isn't enough to make it believable.
The dialogues aren't funny, smart or interesting.

The beginning of the movie. The rumours stars spreading around in the neighborhood that Elijah's character isn't dead. His brother starts talking to various people about it and that part of the movie is boring and that's just the beginning of the movie.
Some of the supporting roles show promise. I liked the acting of the actor playing the uncle of the brothers.
The priest...nope, not believable at all. As somebody who was born in the roman catholic belief (I'm no longer a practising catholic...), I had trouble believing him, understanding his actions. I simply can not believe that a priest would do the things he does. I can understand that he would try and help the brothers but not that way.
Remember that movie 'Sleepers' with Brad Pitt (about young men taking revenge after being abused as boys). Robert De Niro was a priest in that movie, trying to help those men but coming in conflict with his own belief system. I mean, it's not a catholic thing to do, to take revenge. But, the way they handled that in the move was believable.
In Ash Wednesday, the priest was an unbelievable character.
Besides, they could have done a lot more with the "Ash Wednesday" theme.

Edward Burns...I don't know his previous work so I won't judge him on this movie alone but...he really didn't make his character interesting. It's as if his heart wasn't in it and I find this hard to believe because it was his very own script and movie.

The ending, well...I really was yawning a lot by then (if it wasn't an Elijah Wood movie, I wouldn't have finished it)......was predictable. Another proof that Burns didn't make his character interesting. He gets murdered in the end and...as a viewer...I felt nothing.

Normally, I try to find positive elements in Elijah's performance but I think that even a great actor like Elijah struggled with the bad script and the awful dialogues.
Besides, I saw no chemistry at all between Burns and Wood. They didn't seem like brothers at all. After all, you were made to believe that the younger brother was capable of murder to save the older brother (or did he?)
And what about that marriage? Either Elijah looked too young for that wife (so they should have cast an older looking actor) or the wife looked too old (so they should have cast a younger looking actress). Again, no chemistry at all.

I need a good Elijah movie experience after that. Too bad, ESOTSM is months away. I still don't know when they are going to release it here.

*** End Spoilers Ash Wednesday ***

I'm buzzing here because last night I caught Elijah on Jay Leno - okay a couple of days later than it was first aired in the US - but still great (and surprised) to see it. Oh wow! "Porn and Chocolate" had me on the floor laughing and the dancing - wow!!

Haven't caught the Graham Norton inteview, sadly. Probably already aired here :(

Also saw Black And White recently as it was on TV. Watched it the perfect way, whichi s to record it and fast forward till I see the boy and stop and watch. Still an awful experience.

Originally posted by tgshaw

Kate Winslet is supposed to be on GMA sometime this week, but I don't know which day. I have to admit that one reason I'd like to hear some of the other actors interviewed is to see if they say anything about Elijah :) . On GMA, he was very complimentary about Kate's acting. Maybe she'll return the favor?


:::: hanging head in shame ::::

Mea Culpa. Mea Maxima Culpa. I have failed you all.

Kate Winslet was on "The Actors Studio" with James Lipton on Bravo this weekend. I missed the prime time showing last night, but caught part of the later showing. Lipton introduced her by going through the list of her movies and awards, ending up with "ESotSM", with a still of KW and JC in a bathtub (or hot tub - not sure). I simply could not stay up for all of it, though, so I don't know what was said about ESotSM, and if anything was said about Elijah (you know, like drooling? She's not *that* much older, though she's just had a baby...)

They talked about Heavenly Creatures, which was apparently her first movie (she was 19, I think). Liption made a point of mentioning that the director was *the* Peter Jackson, of LotR. Kate had nice things to say about him. Nicer, in fact, than Cameron, though I turned it off in the middle of Titanic. They showed a still with a relatively svelte Peter Jackson.

I'm sorry I didn't watch it earlier or record it. Did anyone else watch it?

~grumpy

Oops -- forgot to watch that -- thanks for the rundown, grumpy. Yep - - Kate's first movie was Heavenly Creatures -- sort of a funny coincidence, but then, Elijah was bound to run into people like this who he's either worked with before (like Elizabeth Perkins) or who have worked with the same directors he has (like Sean Astin).

As for TV appearances, Kate will be on Ellen today, and Jim Carrey will be on Ellen on 3/18.

I saw the Inside the Actors Studio with Kate Winslet last night. They really spoke very briefly about ESotSM, and only talked a little bit about Jim Carrey and Charlie Kaufman. As for Heavenly Creatures, she spoke about the casting process, which led to Lipton saying, "What's the director's name, again?" then he dwelt on the fact that she had her film debut directed by the director of LotR. She just said that that film was the beginning of "all the good things" that have happened to her since.

Off-topic, but related a bit to an upthread discussion: she just had a baby boy right before Christmas, so she had not been outside the house much since, which is why we haven't seen her do much promotional stuff until now. Lipton tried to get her to tapdance, and she refused, saying, "I'm lactating!! You don't want my 36 Es taking out half the audience!" Very funny!

Kate was on Good Morning America today--and Jim Carrey is supposed to be on tomorrow. Kate was interviewed by Joan Lundan and they spent half the time talking about baby and pregnancy stuff :rolleyes: . Evidently when Kate and Jim were in a scene that sounds as if it might be the "hot tub" one grumpy mentioned, the water was really quite hot. She asked to take a break, and when she got out of the water she promptly fainted. She found out later that she'd been two weeks pregnant at the time.

They talked about the Alexander Pope poem, and Joan brought up the question of "If it were possible, would you want to erase some memories?" and they talked about that for awhile--what kinds they'd want to keep and what kinds they'd want to erase--yada, yada, yada :rolleyes: .

So, I'm afraid the interview ended up being about 90% "girl talk" and not much about the movie--Elijah wasn't mentioned, but neither was anyone else except for JC. There was, at least, a new clip shown! That was nice after seeing the same one three times in a row on Leno, Conan, and GMA. It was a bit of Kate's and Jim's characters on a train; Kate said it was early in the movie.

So, Jim Carrey himself tomorrow.

Thanks for the Actors Studio details, since that's a show I don't get :) .

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Stray thought a couple of hours later:

from Achila
Kate's first movie was Heavenly Creatures -- sort of a funny coincidence, but then, Elijah was bound to run into people like this who he's either worked with before (like Elizabeth Perkins) or who have worked with the same directors he has (like Sean Astin).
I've often thought EJW would be the perfect candidate for a "six degrees of separation" game :p .

Originally posted by quicksilver
Yes! I finally got to see Elijah, as himself on a TV show. GN wouldnt have been my show of choice though, but I'll take what I can get! :D
Please,please let him be on Parkinson at some stage!


Yes it was such a treat to see him Quicksilver, on an English programme too! Absolutely wonderful. (I did a long squeeish write-up over in the Hugs Haven lol).

But I too would so love him to be on Parky! I have wanted that for so long!! Let's hope that maybe he will at least be on a couple of talkshows over here when he is filming Hooligans (Or The Yank or whatever it's latest name is) in a few weeks. :rolleyes:

While doing some cleaning this weekend, I realized that I still had an unopened Region 1 VHS copy of The Good Son - I managed to find the DVD fairly quickly after getting it, so I never opened it. I'd like to see it go to a good home - it's one of my favorite little!Elijah movies! Since I'm trying not to keep duplicates of things, I'm more than happy to mail it out for free to someone who could enjoy it, and doesn't feel the need to have a screen-cappable version. First person to PM me with their address gets it!

I'll edit this post to add a note when it's been claimed.

Edit: It's been claimed! I'm happy to know it will be going to a good home. :)

Some more ESotSM reviews have been posted online. The relevant EW quotes:

"Elijah Wood plays Patrick, a conniving role that may upset some loyal Frodo-fans. He seems to enjoy being filmed as a human again. Patrick mostly disappears about two-thirds into the film, so Wood is either underused or his later scenes suffered the slings and arrows of outrageous editing. Conversely, Mark Ruffalo is a bit too over-exposed. Really. Trust me when I say that tighty-whiteys never bring joy to the discerning eye. Ever. Unfortunate underpants aside, his scenes opposite Wood are particularly effective, managing against reason to establish his bumbling technician as the cooler of the two. After all, he's the one that manages to hook up with Kirsten Dunst's Mary, whose own underwear-clad shimmying almost makes up for seeing Ruffalo in his BVDs. Almost."

and

"With such powerful star turns from Carrey and Winslet, it's hard to take notice of the supporting characters, but when you have equally talented actors, what's hard is trying to figure out which is the best performance. In his first role post-Lord of the Rings, Elijah Wood, as Patrick, is funny but a bit underused. His character is pretty interesting as is his subplot (which I won't spoil here); it's too bad that there's not more time devoted to it."

Good interview with Elijah for ESOTSM (it's 3 pages):

http://romanticmovies.about.com/cs/eternalsunshine/a/etsmew030904.htm

Great interview! Thanks, Achila.
Also thanks for bringing the ESOTSM reviews here. It's appreciated.

On admiringkate.com, you can watch video clips from Kate Winslet's tv appearances (I haven't seen them yet...am at work)

Note to German Faculty members:
You can see "Paradise" on ZDF this sunday (21/3) and in the early hours on monday:
- 21/3 - 15.05 Uhr - Sommerparadies - ZDF
- 22/3 - 01.25 Uhr - Sommerparadies - ZDF

And last but certainly not least:

Happy Birthday, Shilohmm!!
:)

Hello, Faculty!
Thanks to everyone who posted rundowns of Elijah's tv appearances :k ! I know Maeglian's poor small kid feeling standing outside of the candy shop but thanks to you the sweet taste afterwards is so well shared so I can put my mind at rest. Oh, and at least I had Wetten dass :D .

Also thank you, Achila, for the ESOTSM interview link.

Moondancer, thanks for the air date info. "Sommerparadies" ("Paradise") is a new Elwood film in my collection. (Elwood fandom sometimes seems to demand a great deal of oneself... to watch movies including Don Johnson or Jim Carrey :rolleyes: ;) ).


Happy birthday, Sheryl! :)

It wasn't easy to find a suitable cake for our Faculty's cake expert, I hope, this is satisfying -
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And good Whiteling, always helpful, serves (again) the scholarly level of this place (in case you need a cake but you've run out of ingredients, you only need a piece of paper) with this one -
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:)

Sheryl, Happy Birthday!

:k :k

Have some layer cake. ;)

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And here's to many, many more posts for all of us here at the Faculty. :D

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((((Faculty)))))

But, at the same time, I would love to do away with reality television (laughing). I can’t believe that that fad has not ended yet. It’s weird.

To quote Josiah Bartlet, "Come here, you big bear, I'm going to kiss you right on the mouth".

I'd settle for giving The Lad a big (auntie-like) bear hug for that beautiful piece of insight. He has definitely shown his quality; the very highest. Yay Elijah! I *LOVE* this guy!

~grumpy, who has never watched more reality tv than it took to get my finger on the channel button on the remote (and I don't care if he *does* bite his toenails!)

Another interview:
Life after 'Lord' (http://entertainment.msn.com/celebs/article.aspx?news=152243)

An exclusive clip:
Can you wake him up? (http://www.moviefone.com/features/feature.adp?_dci_s_p=main&_dci_p_c=0&_dci_s_a=home&_dci_s_b=newmoviefone&_dci_s_c=national&id=1055262599%2c0&page=1079019897%2c0&_dci_e_t=p&_dci_l_n=mflnk%2efeatures%2efeature%2eid%2d1055262599%2c0%2epage%2d1079019897%2c0&_dci_tm=1079410845&_dci_l_a=12161&_dci_p_n=mf%5fmain%5fesotsm&_dci_l_c=0&_dci_p_a=12161&_dci_p_b=mf%5fmain1%2ehome%2emain)

There's no way I can compete with the cake maven on her birthday, so I invited Nat to bring some of his well-aged golden cake with creamy filling that 10-year-old gourmets have been enjoying for [at least two] generations :p !

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Happy Birthday, Sheryl!

Nat and Felix send their greetings, but their mouths are full at the moment.

Originally posted by zkgrumpy
"But, at the same time, I would love to do away with reality television (laughing)."
Well, guess that rules out the "Real Life in a Hobbit Hole" series mentioned on Conan. :p Too bad, even grumpy might have watched that one ;) .

Brief report on Jim Carrey's GMA appearance this morning. For those wondering--yes, the shaved head is for a movie he's doing, but I don't know what the movie is.

Didn't really learn much more about ESOTSM, but did see the best clip of the three I've seen so far: the moment Joel realizes he wants to stop the erasure process. Jim did mention that events move backwards inside his mind, which would make sense. No mention of any other actors. To be fair to Kate and Jim, when Elijah complimented Kate's acting, Chrarlie had asked him about working with her--EW didn't just come out and volunteer it on his own. Charlie would have to be away from the show for both Kate's and Jim's interviews :( ... I think Joan does better interviews with heads of state than she does actors; since it's about "entertainment," she doesn't seem to want to ask anything other than cotton-candy questions, if you take my meaning :rolleyes: . She didn't bring up anyone else on the project--not even the director or writer, IIRC (except, possibly, for a mention of it being a "Kaufman film").

I was glad to see that Elijah had good things to say about Jim in the interview Achila posted. Not too long ago, he'd said something about Jim that I don't think was meant to be insulting, but could come across that way--so, of course, that's how it got reported :rolleyes: . I guess even articulate Elijah can slip up once in awhile. For the record, I'm one who thought Jim actually did some good acting in The Truman Show, which is probably the movie he's done that's most like ESOTSM (surreal comedy/drama). With that, and with all the positive reviews he's gotten for his acting in ESOTSM, I hope even people who don't normally like Jim Carrey movies won't end up feeling it was too much of a sacrifice to watch this one... :) [Don Johnson, OTOH... :eek: ;) ]

Another thing in the interview that I was happy for Elijah about, is that he enjoyed the improv-type acting so much. I think it's the first time he's done that since Black & White, which was, shall we say, not one of his best acting moments. Since seeing that, I've even been of the mind that maybe he should stick to the script for the rest of his acting days :o . But this time around he enjoyed it and is getting very good reviews, so I'll happily eat my words. Of course, he's had more experience now with acting "on the fly" in LotR, with the script changing each day. And it sounds as if he had people around him for ESOTSM who supported and encouraged him, even taught him some things about the process, especially Ruffalo and Gondry--I doubt very much that he got any of that on B&W. (I'm kinda looking forward to seeing if I can tell which snips of footage are from the take where Elijah and Ruffalo just laughed all the way through a scene instead of saying their lines :D ).

Edit after seeing Moondancer's post--I'm looking forward to seeing what's at the end of those links, but I'm also guessing I should wait til after work :) .

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:k :k :k

Thanks for the link! BTW, hopefully everyone realizes that I took that "reality TV" quote from that 3-page interview that someone posted earlier, and it was actually spoken by His Hobbitness ::::: bowing three times in vague direction of LA or wherever the heck the kid is at the moment :::::. ;)

I guess we know now why The Lad had his hair looking so dorky a year or so ago - must have been for this movie. It's really a dumb hairstyle for him. I just hope that he doesn't get typecast in dork roles all the time. :(

It was nice to hear that Elijah Wood Genuine Official Patented Giggle (tm), though, and that light tenor voice.

If I can get the energy to move my DVD player back into the LR, maybe I'll watch AIW or Faculty tonight. I liked them both.

Did anyone notice, btw, about a week or so back, in one of the reviews, I think, of RotK, that they mentioned not only Elijah's eyes, but his "strong neck"? That's the only one I've seen where the reviewer got past his eyes to see the rest of him. It took me - what - fifth time through FotR till I was able to tear my gaze away from his eyes and look at the rest of his (remarkable) face. Of course, finding out that the sadly un-Oscared photography guy did film witchery to focus attention on The Lad's eyes was comforting - nice to know that I didn't just blindly fall into a beautiful pair of eyes - that we really were deliberately pulled into that already remarkable feature.

BTW, I just blew $100 at Barnes and Noble on the unabridged LotR and Hobbit audio books. Sheesh. I have Pride and Prejudice on tape; listened to it while commuting for a bunch of years. Hobbits forever! Too bad my commute is only 7 miles each way...

~grumpyandwastingmysubstanceinriotousliving

Edited: If anyone wants to see where Sean Astin gets his acting genes, Patty Duke is on Judging Amy (CBS, 10 pm EST) tonight. You can bet I'll be watching. She's great.

Happy birthday and many, many happy returns, Sheryl! :)


Achila, and Moondancer, thanks for the links to 2 great interviews!


From the one linked in Achila's post, concerning the lack of Oscar LotR actor nominations:But from my perspective, I see the movies as ensembles, as well. We felt like such a fellowship of actors working on them. I think it’s very difficult when I see them to single anybody out [snip]But it didn’t bother any of us, really, not to my knowledge. Certainly not me. Huh. He's just so decent and gracious! Much more so than me. Personally, I have *no* problem *whatsoever* singling one of them out as worthy of an Oscar. And the lack of an Oscar nom for EJW sure bothered *me*; - it *still* does whenever I see the Mt. Doom sequence in RotK.

Oh well, the Oscar sweep had one great bonus effect for me: It brought the film back in the cinama here for a little while and hence I've managed to go see it once more. Squee! I love that film. And the acting. :)


And hey! I see from Moondancer's link that he's finished making the RotK commentary and interviews. :) Makes the Extended Edition DVD release seem closer, somehow.

Originally posted by zkgrumpy
I guess we know now why The Lad had his hair looking so dorky a year or so ago - must have been for this movie. It's really a dumb hairstyle for him. I just hope that he doesn't get typecast in dork roles all the time. :(

Actually no, grumpy. When Lij was on with Leno in December 2002, during the junket for TTT (which was right before filming for ESOTSM started), Jay even said to him about his hair, "That's for a role, obviously," and Lij said, "Nope -- it was just for me -- I've been wanting to do it for a while now." If it had in fact just been for ESOTSM, he wouldn't have gone and done it again this past summer. Apparently, Our Lad got annoyed with his hair -- it does tend to have a mind of its own -- and buzzed it all off.

I personally hated the style at first, but as I got used to it, I decided that it really opened up his face and actually made those eyes look even bigger, if that was at all possible. So I've come to the conclusion that whether it be fancy clothes, dorky clothes, kitten hair, no hair -- it doesn't matter. There isn't any way to truly spoil that beauty.

Oh -- and btw -- Happy Birthday, Sheryl -- sending lots of hobbit hugs your way!

zkg--I had a good chuckle over the "strong neck" remark from that reviewer. Back in FotR days, Elijah's "thick neck" was pointed out as a flaw by some people. Ye olde "Fingernails" thread at [CoE or Imladris?] was one place this came up ;) .

Happy Birthday, Sheryl!!!

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Happy Birthday Sheryl !!

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Lotsa love -- Vinnie

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SHERYL HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SHERYL

I am no internet cake maker. (and in fact I'll bet the above experiment with color and size gets botched. But give me credit for trying! Finally!) But my husband makes a great chocolate cake. Vegan it is, but no one complains. I'll nudge him into it tonight and eat while singing to you!!

And Jeanie--welcome. Come out of lurk!!

Sharpe's Girl--thanks for those review snippets that warn us that Elijah might be underused in ESOTSM. I'd rather not go into the theater and be disappointed when his character sort of disappears two thirds of the way in.

No problem! I'm having fun reading the reviews (and getting thoroughly spoiled for the plotline--oh, well). Here's another EW review snippet:

"Wood, who was a fine little actor years before he became Frodo Baggins and needed a new release badly that would showcase him NOT being a hobbit, is fascinating as the duplicitous Patrick, who steals Joel's memories and makes a play for Clementine himself." (From Mixed Reviews)

Happy Birthday Sheryl!

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:D :D :D Happy Birthday, Sheryl! :D :D :D

Hugs from Honey!

Regarding the reviewers who wanted to see more Elijah in ESOTSM--There's an old show business axiom: "Always leave 'em wanting more." :) Those reviewers--plus a lot of viewers, I'm sure--will have their eyes open for more from Elijah. :) :)


Happy St. Patrick's Day to anyone who's completely Irish, as well as to fellow members of the great American "mongrel race" (what Hitler called us--I take it as a compliment--hybrid strength, y'know ;) ). My personal mix includes Irish, German, (French) Belgian, English, and a drop of Czech.

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Originally posted by tgshaw
Brief report on Jim Carrey's GMA appearance this morning. For those wondering--yes, the shaved head is for a movie he's doing, but I don't know what the movie is.

That would be his part as big baddie, Count Olaf in the film adaptation of the Lemony Snicket childrens books "A series of Unfortunate Events"

Back O/T I've finally ordered "All I Want" on DVD. I saw the first 20 minutes of it last year at a Harem Hoot but it was the early hours of the morning and I didnt get to see it all. No more skipping spoilers for me soon !
I'm sure I read somewhere that Chain of Fools would be available on Video/DVD in May 2004. Thats on my "to buy" list too. :D

*** HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHERYL !***

Originally posted by quicksilver
Back O/T I've finally ordered "All I Want" on DVD. I saw the first 20 minutes of it last year at a Harem Hoot but it was the early hours of the morning and I didnt get to see it all. No more skipping spoilers for me soon !
quicksilver, IMHO if you liked the first 20 minutes at all, you have a treat ahead of you :) -- that's probably the weakest part of the movie.

I'm sure I read somewhere that Chain of Fools would be available on Video/DVD in May 2004.
:cool: :cool: (And, FES, it's about time :rolleyes: !)

I'm so used to those Chinese subtitles, I don't know if I'll be able to cope :p ! But if there are any decent extra features at all, you can bet I'll be buying the DVD.

Now, to whatever powers that be: Radio Flyer, please, please, please?

Then we can all answer "Yes!" to Mikey II's pertinent question:

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think I got the right frame there ;) for-- "Wanna see a show?" :p ]

AIW spoilers midway. I've cleverly disguised them.


Originally posted by tgshaw
zkg--I had a good chuckle over the "strong neck" remark from that reviewer. Back in FotR days, Elijah's "thick neck" was pointed out as a flaw by some people. Ye olde "Fingernails" thread at [CoE or Imladris?] was one place this came up ;) .

A *flaw*? Really? :eek: Since when is a strong neck, let alone high cheekbones, strong jaw, a cleft in the chin (one could make a case that there were an inordinate number of clefts in chins in LotR), and dimples is a flaw?

Personally, I think that Elijah's looks were deliberately created by an amused [insert name of benificent deity here]. He has a very youthful, almost androgynous face and physique (well, he *is* young), and those incredible blue eyes, and offsetting those features are all these powerful movie-star-quality Robert-Redford-type features. And I think said [insert name of amused benificent deity here] is incessantly chuckling over the constant disagreements over the "character" of Elijah's appearance.

Ah, rapture!


I did watch most of AIW last night (Try Seventeen elsewhere). I liked it as much this time around.

SPOILERS BELOW!!!!! :eek:

Jones was so stiff in his movements - a good example was when he walked home with the case of beer. It was almost painful to watch. He looked so dorky, compared with the genuinely relaxed smile with the "Shut up and drive" line at the very end.

I got even more of a kick out of Jones Dillon the Gunslinger this time. He did look awfully cute in that hat when he and wazzisname were shooting.


Edited:
Happy St. Patrick's Day to anyone who's completely Irish, as well as to fellow members of the great American "mongrel race" (what Hitler called us--I take it as a compliment--hybrid strength, y'know ). My personal mix includes Irish, German, (French) Belgian, English, and a drop of Czech.

To quote (or paraphrase) Bill Murray in "Stripes": "We are the 'wretched refuse!' We've been kicked out of every respectable country on earth!" ;) We are indeed a strange people. ;D

~grumpy (33 cassettes of LotR audio! :eek: ! Maybe I should have paid $50 more for the CD's...)(English, German, Dutch, Hugen - er - Hugono - er - FRENCH!, Welsh, Tuscarora Indian - there was an Irish woman about 150 years ago but it was hushed up)(I'm not kidding)(it just came to light in the 1950's)

Originally posted by tgshaw
Now, to whatever powers that be: Radio Flyer, please, please, please?

Richard Donner shares your view....

http://actionadventure.about.com/library/weekly/2001/aa082101b.htm

Fingers crossed!

I'm sure I will enjoy AIW, then. I did enjoy the brief bit I saw.

Thanks for keeping me unspoiled grumpy. :)

Originally posted by Achila
Kate's first movie was Heavenly Creatures -- sort of a funny coincidence, but then, Elijah was bound to run into people like this who he's either worked with before (like Elizabeth Perkins) or who have worked with the same directors he has (like Sean Astin).


And funnier still -- two of Lij's ESOTSM co-stars, David Cross and Tom Wilkinson, were co-stars of his in Chain of Fools. You were right, tg -- we CAN play Six Degrees of Elijah Wood!


BTW -- Mark Ruffalo on Ellen today.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHERYL!!!:k :k

To night at 00.20 on channel 5 here in Sweden will i
sitt at the floor infront of the tv.i will look at a man
with beutiful blue eyes and angelice face and above all this
he is a very very good actor and good person.He will be
on Jay Lenos show i will see it at last Jippi Jippi!!!!

:D :D :D :k :k

Originally posted by zkgrumpy
Personally, I think that Elijah's looks were deliberately created by an amused [insert name of benificent deity here]...
Well, of course... and JRRT was standing there giving instructions :) : "...and don't forget the cleft chin! It's very important!" :)

33 cassettes of LotR audio! :eek: !
33, eh? Maybe I could handle that--from the "other side". My mother's gotten interested in Tolkien from all the info that's come out the last few years, but has never read anything by him except for short quotes. She has a more difficult time reading than she used to; I've checked any outlet I can find and asked on Tolkien lists if LotR has ever been published in enlarged print, but it doesn't seem so. As far as the audio versions, she has a very hard time understanding any kind of a British accent. I've already bought some tapes to start recording it for her myself, but haven't started. So this may kick me into gear. :)

----quicksilver, thanks for that interview! If Donner can talk Sony into doing what he wants to do, and provide some of the deleted material, that would be a really interesting DVD! (So, I guess we know that Sony is the particular "power that is" for this one. :) )

wood-- :cool: Enjoy!!

from Achila
And funnier still -- two of Lij's ESOTSM co-stars, David Cross and Tom Wilkinson, were co-stars of his in Chain of Fools. You were right, tg -- we CAN play Six Degrees of Elijah Wood!
And, of course, Salma Hayak is in Chain of Fools, The Faculty, and Spy Kids 3D (and both she and Elijah will probably be in whatever that next Rodriguez movie is :p ).

One thing that makes EJW a good "six degrees" candidate is that he's acted with "big-name" stars who do a lot of different kinds of movies: Mel Gibson, Kevin Kline and Sigourney Weaver are probably the best examples. When the Oscar "competition" started, I thought it'd be fun to find a way to link him to Clint Eastwood ;) , but it was way too easy--only one step through Morgan Freeman (Deep Impact to Unforgiven). Elijah was never on screen with Freeman, so it might be a bit harder to make the link through someone he's actually shared the screen with...

Edit: Well, found a "shared screen with" connection. I had to "cheat" and go to IMDb on this one :o (even though I'd seen the Clint Eastwood movie involved, which is unusual). It's still only one degree of separation: Courtney B. Vance played one of Clint Eastwood's fellow astronauts in Space Cowboys.

Charming, polite, and adrogynous? Libra personality or Text book Aquarian? :D

LOL.

This same Diety is probably laughing about this!

Come to think of this, doesn't Harry Potter/Daniel Radcliff suffer from this same identity crisis like Frodo/Elijah does?

It's worth a thought. Right?

I'm a day late and a dollar short, but

Happy Birthday, Sheryl!!!

Oh, dear friends, I was lucky enough to score a pass to a preview of ESOTSM!! I saw it last night, with Goldie!!

I won't give anything away, except to agree with the reviewers who want more Elwood. And he aint no Frodo in this one! :D (My theory is that he went for a role as far from Frodo as he could, not only in looks--check out the hair--but in character.) The film itself is very engrossing, with a lovely tone and message to it. I didn't even mind Jim Carrey in it. And Mark Ruffalo is worth seeing, tool.

It is rated R, which I can't understand, because there is no violence and nothing racy on screen (although there is a lot of *talking* about sex). There *is* a fair amount of rough language. But the film is actually a quite heartwarming lesson on what is important in life. It is not, however, a BIG film. Nor do I think there will be nominations for Oscars out of it. But hey, if Lost in Translation could get the buzz it got, maybe something will come of this film. (oh, but wait, Michel Gondry, the director, is not the child of a famous Hollywood director. And he's FRENCH to boot!).

It will be very interesting to see what kind of box office it does. I hope it does well. It is definitely worth your time!

Happy Birthday Sheryl!!!

I wish I knew how to paste in a cake pic, but I'm wishing one instead (since I'm a cyber dork :rolleyes: ) one with lots of fresh cream and slices of kiwi fruit. ;)

Hope you had a really special day with your gorgeous family.


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