Deluby, hope it's not too late to thank you for the treasure-throve! A lot of wonderful pics there.

And the interview with PJ absolutely cranked my "I cant wait" feelings up another notch.


The try 17 Hamlet connection (Spoiler)

From what I've read in Try 17 reviews, Elwood's character moves into apartment 2B in a tenement house. When he later follows Franka's character into the house, she thinks he's stalking her and squirts maze in his eyes. While he's struggling with this, another of the people living there comes and asks him, apparently rather annoyed, whether he "is 2B or not 2B". :rolleyes: :D


Of course EJW would make a wonderful Hamlet. I enjoyed both Mel Gibson's and Kenneth Branagh's portrayals, but they *were* too old for the role in their respective films, IMO.
Now who should play Ophelia? And could Ian Holm be persuaded to play Polonius once more? :D

Oh, and about the height issue: Some colleagues of mine had been to see "Minority Report" and we were discussing it over lunch. Now the discussion turned to whether or not Cruise is attractive :rolleyes: , and one of the girls stated that "No way! Do you know how *short* he is?" She went on about that for some time. First I got offended on behalf of EJW. But in light of recent info here in the Faculty, I think it is rather the fact that Cruise's height isn't well known and gets "covered up" by PR people that is the problem. If he and his agents try to turn attention away from it, it will just earn *that* much more interest, attention and gossip. So I'm all for EJWs open and honest approach.

btw, another time the same people were discussing LotR and all the violence and how difficult they think it is to relate to fantasy stories...... I happened to mention that I think there are a lot of good-looking guys acting in the film. One of my colleagues, wanting to tease me, came up with what he apparently considered a really good joke:"What, you really think little *Frodo* is handsome?"
"Yes, I happen to think he is a *very* handsome man", I replied to his surprise (hopefully with dignity). Well, at least he knew enough about the film to get the name right! :rolleyes:

Good for you, Maeglian. I'm 5'9", and over 10 years older than Elijah, but if I were around his age, I know I'd have a little bit of a "crush" on him. I always go more by what kind of person the actor seems to be anyway. And from what I've seen, Elijah seems to be one of the nicest, most "normal" guys around Hollyweird. Anyone who goes to fan events and ends up taking pictures of the fans for his scrapbook is my kind of "star". But the best part is, he's a wonderful actor, too. I really enjoy just watching his face, even when he's not the focus of the scene, because there's always something going on there.

Elijah seems to be almost painfully open--about his height, his "sad" efforts at growing facial hair (I'm quoting him, now), his family problems, etc. I hope he never has cause to regret this. He does seem to be just a little bit more circumspect about his love life, so maybe he's learning to keep some stuff to himself. When someone mentioned the comments he supposedly made about Franka and their breakup to the German publication, I remember thinking, "That doesn't sound like something Elijah Wood would say. No way would he comment on Franka's age like that."

The more famous and popular he gets, the more people will make up stuff about him. It's up to discerning fans to take every quote with a grain of salt, unless they see him say it himself. And even then, things can be edited to make something taken out of context sound worse than it is. And, sad to say, the "news" media nowadays seems to be more interested in creating controversy because they think it will peddle more papers than reports about how nice everyone is, and how well they get along. :( Here's hoping that the "scummier" elements of our media and the internet don't get too interested in his doings, but nowadays you can't count on anything or anyone staying unassailed by these creeps for long.

Fantasy casting for Hamlet! What a great idea!

So we assume EW as Hamlet, natch.

Sure, Ian Holm would be fabulous as Polonius (did he do the role before? in which version?)

Can we get Ian McK as Claudius? (Would that not be AWESOME?)

Who could do Gertrude? (Please, not Meryl Streep or Glenn Close or Deborah Harry :eek: )

And Ophelia? (Anyone but Liv Tyler! :rolleyes: ) Christina Ricci? Let's give the poor girl a spine!

Horatio? Dominick Monaghan (can't you just picture him doing the "good night sweet prince" speech?)

Laertes?

Rosencrantz and Guilderstern?

This is fun!

Hello all.
Just a quick post to say thanks to deluby for those wonderful pics!!!:) - oh, and the PJ interview. Roll on December.

Maeglian - good for you for sticking up for Elijah with your friends. I really respect EW for just being himself, and not trying to be something he isn't. He seems comfortable enough with his height, and as long as he's happy, and is not getting a complex about it, why should anyone else? His talent speaks for itself, (although I also think he has the most beautiful face!) and I would rather watch EW any day than some of these so-called 'macho-types'. That's my little rant over with, but I feel much better now.

I think it was BunnieBugs who asked a couple of pages ago for some caps of Casey, with regard to blinking. Well, here are a few from the scene on the playing field, when the coach confronts him.
http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/casey3.JPG

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/casey4.JPG

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/casey5.JPG

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/casey6.JPG

I don't think he does quite close his eyes, though it is difficult to tell.

This is fun!:D

Love to all. Must run. Bye

Peaceweaver, Ian Holm played Polonius to Mel Gibson's Hamlet.

Laertes - why not Billy Boyd? Do you think he could carry off a smouldering, intense, dark and vindictive role? Would be fun to see him try anyway. But I'm drawing a blank at Ophelia. Nobody I can think of would be "just right".

I checked that the Star Galaxy site has a couple of pics of Elwood's first stint as Hamlet in "North". Anyone care to post one of them here? :)


Louise, I totally agree with you about that German interview. I did not believe that was a real quote from EJW. The magazine in question did not look like the most serious of its kind, either.

Blossom, cool pics! That's from the "I don't think people should run unless they're bing chased" scene is it?? Or is it later in the film?

This thread is moving so fast now that there's really a lull in any new stuff, just imagine how we'll gab on once the SE DVD is here! I was totally happy looking at the content section of the DVD that TORN put up. A day in the life of a hobbit, features on all the actors, a lot about scenery and costumes......

And the new and extended scenes. :cool: I think I'm going to watch the new scenes first (Green Dragon, Elves in the Shire, Midgewater marshes)..... and then the giftgiving.... and then...? Where has the new angst been added??? Decisions, decisions! :rolleyes:


Edit: This thread is moving so fast that some things I meant to comment on are 2 pages back already.

But here goes:

Ainon,
thank you for the Stephen King info. I have made a note of "The long Walk" as a book to get hold of. Anything that can be described as somewhat similar to Mordor from Frodo's POV deserves to be looked into!! :eek:

And Alexan and S_L:
Thank you both for the additional Ash Wednesday comments. Interesting information. I certainly *still* would like to see the film asap!!

Hi, all! Do you realise that over at the Harem, they call themselves "Gabby Broads"? IMHO, they are rank amateurs compared to the Faculty! What is it about Frolijah that attracts Gabby Broads?!

Not only do we post a lot, but it is impossible to just scan thru the posts because there is so much to think about in most of them. Was it MsU who didn't post because she didn't think she had as much "intellectually" to add to the discussions?! For her and any other Lurkers we scare off at regular intervals: an easy post with few (or no) new ideas every so often would make it easier to keep up around here!! Just MHO. :D

Louise- Are you sure that's a picture of James Spader? I recognize Eric Stoltz on the right, and have no idea who the guy is in the middle, but is that supposed to be JS on the left? Hmmm.
Oh, and Louise-- big kudos to you for your reminder of how many comments may be attributed to Lij whether he said them or not, as well as how easy it is to take someone's comments out of context. That's the kind of clear-headed thinking that makes this place so special. I mean, I'm a bad girl ;) and I like gossip as much as the next girl, but gossip is different that out and out lies, or nasty innuendo. That's hurtful to the average person in the office, let alone the millions it spreads to when effecting a celebrity.

Sometimes I really wish deeply that Elijah would stop by every so often to read the things said about him around here. We get weird with the best of them, but the overall effect here is such great respect for EJW for all the things that he should be personally proud of. He's responsible for his maturity, attitude, and actions, not just the genetics he was lucky enough to be blessed with. Oooh, and I forgot - his incredible acting skills!
He's got a lot to be proud of for a young man his age.

Okay, preaching to the choir again, I am. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Carleenya
Hi, all! Do you realise that over at the Harem, they call themselves "Gabby Broads"? IMHO, they are rank amateurs compared to the Faculty! What is it about Frolijah that attracts Gabby Broads?!
Maybe the fact that there are actually interesting things to say about him. Can you imagine having a thread like this about [--fill in your own "hunk of the month"--]? Just imagine where we'd be if thread length was measured by words rather than posts!

Sometimes I really wish deeply that Elijah would stop by every so often to read the things said about him around here. We get weird with the best of them, but the overall effect here is such great respect for EJW for all the things that he should be personally proud of. He's responsible for his maturity, attitude, and actions, not just the genetics he was lucky enough to be blessed with. Oooh, and I forgot - his incredible acting skills!
He's got a lot to be proud of for a young man his age.
I have this fantasy that at some point during the TTT promo interviews, EJW will be asked about all these websites that center on him and whether their content bothers him. And after talking about how bad some of them are, he'll say, "But there's this one really weird group of women who analyze everything I do..." :D If he ever talks about microexpressions or blinking technique, we'll know he's been here, right? :cool:

Speaking of blinking--From what I can tell, Blossom, it looks like you're right about the Faculty bit. It's hard to see exactly, but I think it'd look a bit different if he were closing his eyes all the way.

I'm going to see if Star Galaxy will let me link directly to a couple of pics of Elijah as North as Hamlet. I know from experience that they're a tiny bit protective Later Edit: Couldn't get the pics to show up right in the thread, but the links do take you to them.

http://www.stargalaxy.com/redir.cgi/North03.jpg?sid=207.232.89.109_cfe8596d3db1b61fcfe86685&target=gallery/1999/1999/large/IG/0/2/3/1/North03.jpg

http://www.stargalaxy.com/redir.cgi/North06-a.jpg?sid=207.232.89.109_cfe8596d3db1b76fcfe866a1&target=gallery/1999/1999/large/IG/0/2/3/1/North06-a.jpg

Thanks, tg. Awww.... wasn't he a really cute little Hamlet? :)

I've been meaning to ask:
Has anyone heard from Estella Rose? I don't think she's posted here. That's entirely up to her, of course, - still I wonder if she knows that we've moved?

Hello all...

I finally got up a quicktime movie of that entertainment tonight segment here (http://frodoandsam.net/multimedia/index.html).

And here is a couple of screen caps:

http://hobbitonhill.net/images/elijahpaula1.jpg

http://hobbitonhill.net/images/elijahpaula2.jpg

Wow, the thread is moving so fast I can't keep up... I'll keep my yapping to a minimum so as not to add to it!

Carleenya: Spader is the guy in the middle that you didn't recognize. This was in 1983, so he was younger, and it's not a very good pic of him, but it's him, all right. For a better look at that pic, here's a link to the site. If you go to the bottom of the page, the pic of Spader and Stoltz in page 1 of the pics under "Killer in the Family".

http://www.angelfire.com/celeb/jspics/index.html

You might be better able to tell from seeing it there. Here's another of him next to Rob Lowe, who IMDB says is 5'11". Except for the hair, Spader looks about the same height, don't you think? Scroll down to "Bad Influence", and it's the third pic.

http://www.angelfire.com/celeb/jspics/jspics3.html#jspics3

Re Hamlet, I'd love to see Elwood do Shakespeare. Maybe Viggo could play Laertes. He was great at Lucifer in The Prophecy, and he has actual experience being Danish. :D As for Ophelia, Christina Ricci is a little too assertive for the role, but who knows. I'll have to think about it. There aren't that many people who can handle speaking the language, I'm afraid. I would guess that most American ingenues would be, "like, too tongue-tied, you know?"

I had a thought from our discussion the other night. I think that Elwood would do a great job as the younger brother in "Long Day's Journey into Night". Plenty of angst in that one. The question is, who could play the older brother and the mother and father? I think Tilda Swinton, who is (we hope) going to be his mother in "Thumbsucker" would be great (especially after seeing her in "The Deep End"). Now how about the brother and father? Again, I'll have to think about it.

That's a great clip with Paula Abdul. Too bad he didn't get to dance with her too. I don't know if you've noticed, but a lot of Elijah's indie films have music video guys as directors. I get the feeling Elijah would have loved to have been a rock musician, or at least connected to rock music in some way. Can you picture him in "Almost Famous" as the fifteen year old "Rolling Stone" guy (based on Cameron Crowe)? I can. Unfortunately, it would have conflicted with LOTR, so glad it didn't happen. Still, he would have been great.

Originally posted by Maeglian
Has anyone heard from Estella Rose? I don't think she's posted here. That's entirely up to her, of course, - still I wonder if she knows that we've moved?
I thought I'd seen her name here, but must have been mistaken--at least for any posts. I just checked the "members" list and she is registered but her post number is 0. She does have a PM button and an email button if anyone wants to contact her to be sure she knows where we are. (Assuming it's the same Estella Rose--I wouldn't think that would be a very common user name.)

Oh, Elve, just those two screencaps are so endearing (Elijah's a grown man: I will not say cute... I will not say cute...). Thanks.

I kind of enjoy getting into these almost "real time" discussions occasionally on weekends. It makes each post so much shorter :) . But I do have some errands to run so have to go for now. Have a lovely evening, night, day, whatever your time zone is, all.

so..some people are worried that the thread moves so fast they are two pages behind!

sob! I'm more than five pages behind. :(

I can't possibly comment on everything and I have lost sight of who said what, so I shall apologise in advance that I can't acknowledge the authorship(s).

re: handing over the ring...I still believe that when he holds it out to Aragorn, after the confrontation with Boromir, that he is (mostly) confident that Aragorn will not take it. We are meant to believe that Aragorn is torn by the seductive power of the ring, which is why we see his hand go towards it. It makes it even more powerful when he looks slightly regretful, closes his hand, over Frodo's, and reaffirms his promise to help him. (I love that scene -I think it also forshadows the increase in authority and majesty of Aragorn, that develops in TTT)

re: the screencaps...boy am I glad that others on this thread know how to do this, including Blossom (YAY)...that means that I can remain ignorant for a lot longer (I'm still coping with smilies-LOL). I adore the screencaps. Keep 'em coming!!

re: EW as Hamlet. I really don't know if EW would be effective. I agree that he looks and is, too young at the moment, but...
Maybe later, when he's had a chance to take on a greater range. Altho I have to say that when I found out that Mel Gibson was going to play Hamlet, I rolled around the floor laughing, and then choked when I watched it and saw that he was actually quite good (bit OTT for the death scene, but then who in RL takes 3 pages to die??). As for potential Ophelias -I suggest Helena Bonham Carter, Samantha Morton (the precog in Minority Report) or Emily Watson (Breaking the Waves and the film about Jacqueline du Pre) ...IMHO

anyway, posts will be intermittent, and I will lurk when I can (major case of RL) :(

viola

Yes, I know I said I had to go, but when I was exiting, I saw that Viola had been posting at the same time, so of course I had to see what she'd had to say.... and here I am again.

On EW being effective as Hamlet: I have one question for those who know more about Shakespearean acting than I do (which is just about everyone ;) ). We've talked before about how film-specific Elijah's acting is (subtle, small facial changes, slight changes in tone of voice, etc.) and wondered if it would be a good/bad thing if he got into stage acting. Would he stretch himself, or would he lose touch with that natural acting talent he uses in films? Even when I've seen movies of Shakespeare's plays, the acting seems, well Shakespearean. In anyone's opinion is it possible to make a film version of a Shakespearean play that would use Elijah's so natural and so subtle acting style? All right, discuss amongst yourselves ;) .

{{{{viola}}}} for RL.

Originally posted by eldalieva
Deluby, I simply HAVE TO share some of those images of Frodo with the Harem thread. I hope you don't mind...let me know if you do and I'll take them down. I'll give you full credit, of course!! :) No problem at all. :) I lurk in Harem thread too. ;) It's a bit scary for me :eek: :D and the thread moves so fast that I couldn't keep up.:p Therefore, I'm still hiding in the closet. :D

---Louise: On the Cadbury candy with movie cards...If you just want the movie cards, they are avaliable in US. The TTT movie card are not released yet methinks. I got FOTR and the Expansion ones in Target and Suncoast. They are $1.99 per pack with 8 card in each pack, plus a special card if you are lucky.

---Elvellon: Great clip! Thank you. :)

EDIT:
A scan of Entertainment Weekly, October 26, 2002, EW talking about the LOTR EA game(again, sorry), apparently he provided voice for the game.
http://www.geocities.com/sammienblue/lotrinfo/pix/ewvideogamefrodo102602.jpg

from tg In anyone's opinion is it possible to make a film version of a Shakespearean play that would use Elijah's so natural and so subtle acting style?

Yes I think it is. Shakespeare's plays are full of characters with complex motivations and I think they could be very effective if performed more , um, "filmically". I agree that most versions have that larger than life theatre feel to it but I don't think its inevitable. I think a good director, brave enoughh to dispense with tradition, shouting "Less is more!!" could make the internal dramas of the play very subtle and very effective.

Hamlet spends a lot of time brooding: on stage he wanders around raving ( a la Mel Gibson) but I can just as easily envisage him in a sereies of close ups, murmuring almost under his breath and frowning into the camera. Lots of excuses for full close ups of EW!!! Tho I agree with Viola he's too young at the moment; part of Hamlet's weakness is that he is mature and yet still wavers and debates endlessly. This would be more understandable and thus not a serious flaw in a young, naive man, its the fact that Hamlet is a prince , mature and still prevaricating that creates the fatal flaw and part of the dramatic tension. In ten years I think Ew would be great in this role: he has said himself that he has "issues" and suffers a bit of anxiety (hence those awful nails...:rolleyes: )

I think someone on the Imladris version of the Faculty suggested Iago. I think in 5 or so years EW would make an excellent Iago- lots of room for scheming and the range of facial expression to match and that angelic face to act as a foil. That would really make the fact that Othello believes Iago's lies over his wife convincing: something I've always found a bit hard to swallow. I mean if Othello was so worried about infidelity a direct accusation could have sorted a lot out early on. But EW looks so angelic, I can quite easily see him totally and convincingly destroying a marriage (and a life).

Originally posted by squires_lass11:
there'd be some big old hug or other between the brothers or with the few people who are let in on the secret (Alexan ?)
I'm sorry I'm not following you there.:confused:


I think the only James Spader movie I've seen was Stargate. And that was several years ago...little hard to remember what went on in it. I've seen a fair amount of Jonny Depp's movies, I think I liked Sleepy Hollow and From Hell (also my favorite Ian Holm movie) the best. I don't think I've seen any of Dustin Hoffman's movies yet, that I can think of.

'love the pictures Deluby, especially of him playing video games. :)

I can't write much more tonight, I have to go to bed early (yeah, 11 o'clock PM is early! well for me, lol) for my archery competition tomorrow. I am kinda nervous, wish me luck!
I promise to have a...thing up on my journal about more of every one's Ash Wednesday questions (well you guys have to ask me more!) and more about the movie, and a..thing about roles I could see/would like to see Elijah in. You know the link to it.

Later. –Alexan

well, its past midnight here. With all the talk about about Steven King, (Ainon I'm looking at you girl) I decided to watch the Green Mile which was on tv . (I am a S. King newbie btw.)

I'm still snivelling into my cup of tea. How am I supposed to get to sleep now?:confused: ;) :rolleyes:

Just popping in to say nothing monumental except MANY THANKS to everyone for the lovely screen caps, photos, etc. that have been posted.

Congrats, Blossom on your achievement (me, I'm still taking baby steps on posting and editing, forget about links, etc.)

There has been a wealth of Elijah visuals over the past few days (am not complaining). I know that PR is just going to heat up from here on through the extended DVD release and then TTT. I am getting nervous and excited but happy at the same time because there was just this small stretch of time around end of August through September where I felt that playing the DVD over and over was not enough and that I had to get some fresh material! Watched The Faculty, Bumblebee, Chain of Fools and The Good Son over the past two days.

Elvellon - thank you for the ET clip - I missed the segment when it aired, brief as it may have been (for some reason the clip is taking forever to load so I'll try again later).

deluby! - those screen caps! I like the video geek and luscious lipped Frodo.

from Alexan I'm sorry I'm not following you there.

I couldn't remember for sure if the two brothers hugged in Ash Wednesday and was wondering if you remember? :confused:

My cat is tugging at me to feed her so off I go :)

This made me chuckle.....

Xoanon over at TORN has new (Q&A) spoilers up for the SE DVD.
This describes a passage from one of the documentaries about making the film. It's just so endearing, and makes you remember Elijah's age at the time:

Sean runs after Frodo who is on the Elven boat heading for the other side of the Anduin. He splashes his way into the water and PJ yells 'cut!' The crew begin talking and Sean is simply standing in the water with his head down and leaning against a boat. They suddenly realize he's injured and make their way over to him. He's jabbed something very sharp into his foot. Which is covered with makeup! By the time they rip it off there is PLENTY of blood. Elijah, by this time, is helpfully stating 'Dude, that's got to hurt...LOOK at all that blood! Man..you must be in pain'. They have to call in a Helicopter to fly Sean to the nearest hospital and patch him up.


May I also add one of those "me, too!!, Me, too!!" to what Primrose said about Shakespeare roles. Hamlet and Iago are both roles that would benifit immensely on screen from being portrayed by an actor who masters subtle nuances and letting emotions and motivations show through the merest flicker of facial expressions. I'd love to see EJW as Iago in some years' time. That's actually one role I've seen Kenneth Branagh do that I didn't really think was that good. Hmmmm. I have that Othello version on tape. Perhaps I should watch it again and think how Elijah would have done the scenes......

There's another Sheakespeare role that I'd love to see an actor with EJW's abilities do.... Unfortunately unless he time-travels back to Shakespeare's time he'll never get to do it :rolleyes: . It's Lady MacBeth. I understand how that must be a very challenging role for a great actress, but I have yet to understand, or should I say really believe in, the transition she goes through. This is getting waaaay off topic, or I'd go into that some more.

BTW, Sean Bean is playing MacBeth on stage in the UK at the moment. Wouldn't I have loved the opportunity to see that!

I'd like to see Elijah play Sebastian from "Twelfth Night".

Parents/sister drowning (or not) ... sea-journey ... orphanhood ... friend called Antonio who adores him ... rainwater eyes ... need I go on?

deluby - (I'm not sure what that "sorry" was for :confused: ), thanks for the videogame article. What I like best about it is that it assumes the reader knows at least the basic story and something about hobbits (the "hobbit shoe rack" remark is kind of an old joke in JRRT circles, but you do have to know that hobbits don't wear shoes for it to make sense). IMHO, that says something about the popularity level in the general public.

Sometimes I wonder if EW's so used to being on film that he doesn't always realize how his words will read in print. For example, I'm sure that "poor, helpless Frodo" statement was said with a laugh, but the interviewer isn't always going to--or be able to--translate that. OTOH, I'm beginning to think he's making this self-deprecating humor almost part of his "style," which could work as people get more familiar with him. It just makes him come across that much more "normal" and non-Hollywood, which is certainly part of his appeal to his fanbase. I wonder how many Playstation addicts mentally recorded his name as someone to watch for after reading that he took his to New Zealand with him (and the fact that it burned out just adds another "he's one of us" level). IMHO, this calls for a prospective study of his future interviews to see how his use of it progresses.

Maeg - I'm glad to see that story about Sean Astin gashing his foot is actually true. [Edit: LOL--when reading that over I realized how heartless it sounds. I don't mean I'm glad that Sean really gashed his foot! :eek: Just that I'm glad someone hadn't stooped low enough to make up the story!] I'd heard/read it a number of times, but you never know. I always think of it when Sam runs into the river. I'm going to let myself assume that the rest of the story is true (which I'm sure I'll think of every time we get to the Black Gate)--that while Sean was being stitched up, he apologized to PJ for holding up filming and PJ said, "That's all right. We'll do the scene at the Black Gate tomorrow. You only have to crawl in that one." :D

One more Shakespearean character suggestion from the Imladris thread was Ariel in The Tempest. Not as big a part as some of the others, but his build and ability for quick movements would be perfect--also a chance for some very creative expressivity since the character's non-human.

Ariel! Now you're talking!

And how about Puck?

And he could have done Falstaff's boy - when he was younger. Too late now. :(

How about Orsino when he grows up?

Or Alonzo in "The Changeling"? (OK - so that one was sick).

(I'm listening to Kim skovbye's "The Ring Vol 1!. The "Treebeard and the Ents" track is good. Not that that has anything to do with this discussion).

Hi Gladys! Happy to see you here! :)

Blossom - All right! Congratulations on your screencapping abilities! Thanks for those Casey screencaps; I love Casey's reaction there. It's just so typical for the quiet, timid kind of geek that he is.

deluby - great stuff! thanks! I'm downloading the EA video right now. the article is a fun read - trust our EW to reveal himself as a Playstation geek! edit: Gee, tg's made the exact same point. LOL about the "poor, helpless Frodo" line too -- may the 'Frodo is a pansy' posters never see that quote! :D

Elve - thanks for the clip! I have that downloaded, but I can't overburden this poor computer of mine by watching that *and* staying on-line at the same time. Will have to wait a little while longer to see it.

{{{Viola}}} Those trouts are really piling up, huh? :(

Glad to know you liked The Green Mile, Prim. No, not all Stephen King tales are horror - it's a point I keep trying to make with people who haven't read his books. :) Btw, have you seen Shawshank Redemption? Now that is a beautiful movie ... and to bring this back on LoTR topic, Bridget actually pointed out over at the CoE Shawshank thread that the closing scene of the movie strongly reminds one of Sam and Frodo's friendship. :)


The Ash Wednesday Q&A
Thanks Alexan and SL (btw, SL I love cats too!).

I'm starting to understand now why EW spent only 8 days filming. So most of his scenes are with Ed Burns? Is the movie still playing in the US?

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Very interesting discussion and comparison with other actors (I didn't know James Spader was one of the Brat Packers!). Actually, how does EW fare right now, compared to other former child actors? Kurt Russel was a child actor, right? Did he make a smooth transition to an adult career? What about Christian Bale? CB received heaps of praise for his performance in Empire of the Sun; has he been able to live up to expectations? I have noticed that female child actors seem to make a smoother transition to adult roles, but only because they're able to keep playing someone's girlfriend from one movie to the next. Not that I'm implying that it's a bad thing, but well, guys can't exactly get away with playing one boyfriend after another and still hope to get anywhere in the long run. Unless they look like everyone's dream boyfriend. :p :rolleyes:


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We're also still missing Nessa and MsNiphredil. I've PMed then to let them know how to find us. But neither has checked in at CoE in the last couple of weeks. :(

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Alexan - GOOD LUCK! Let us know how it goes!


edit -- just noticed that Bunnie's back. How's the computer? :) And tg - been meaning to tell you how much I'm enjoying the daily Frodos you're giving us!

Originally posted by ainon
Blossom - All right! Congratulations on your screencapping abilities! Thanks for those Casey screencaps; I love Casey's reaction there. It's just so typical for the quiet, timid kind of geek that he is.
Oops... was going to mention and forgot... I looked at those screencaps again this morning, and I'm quite sure that's only a partial blink. The sun's not glaring off my monitor this time of day, so I can see them much better than I could when I commented yesterday.

Btw, have you seen Shawshank Redemption? Now that is a beautiful movie ... and to bring this back on LoTR topic, Bridget actually pointed out over at the CoE Shawshank thread that the closing scene of the movie strongly reminds one of Sam and Frodo's friendship. :)
I haven't seen the Shawshank Redemption movie, but I've read the story--and loved the ending. Is the ending of the movie basically the same as the one in print? (Just a "yes" or "no" is okay, in order not to give a spoiler.)

I have noticed that female child actors seem to make a smoother transition to adult roles, but only because they're able to keep playing someone's girlfriend from one movie to the next
IMHO, a big difference is that female and male actors "peak" at different times--which isn't necessarily a good thing, especially for the females. There seems to be a very, very gradual change over recent years, but it's still true that a female has a better chance of getting parts if she's young; a female of Elijah's age would be at the right age to become a big star. Male actors tend to "peak" at a somewhat older age, as Hollywood wants the male characters to be more "mature." (Another one of those stereotypes the entertainment industry tends to perpetuate--although hopefully it is slowly changing.) So a lot of female child actors don't miss a beat; they can go from child roles straight into adult roles (probably as the girlfriend of a character played by an actor who's older than her :rolleyes: ). Male child actors, OTOH, are more likely to have a "lag time" between their child roles and their adult roles. This same stereotype feeds into the fact that a lot of female actors are "washed up" at about the same age that males are coming into their best acting years.

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I'm adding this a bit later, but since mine is still the last post I'll make it an edit... I was just over at the "Concerning Hobbits" thread in the Green Dragon, and ran across this list of hobbit qualities. Actually, I'd already read it yesterday, but it didn't strike me til now (after reading everything added to this thread today) how much of it applies not just to Frodo but also to Elijah as a person. I've realized for most of my life that the people I naturally like tend to be very hobbit-like, and I think that applies here. There might be a characteristic or two that don't fit EW completely, but I'm posting the whole list so you can tell I'm not "fudging" it ;) :

Originally posted by Samwise Gamgee
But it might be possible to aspire to be like some of the hobbits.

To do one's very best in the face of adversity and to overcome difficulties by love, humility and a kind of courage that is more protective than daring.
To enjoy the simple pleasures in life, to be able to be completely wrapped up in the delight of an apple, or a pint, or, for all it's worth, a family tree; and to be able to just take the joy of a beautiful view and acknowledge its presence even if life around seems just about to end.
To be ultimately easily content with the simple pleasures of life, and to avoid craving things or powers that cannot be got without breaking the peace.
To have an unquenchable spirit, a belief that friendship and perseverance might get you through.
To love one's home and to approach people and countries that a strange with the naive openess that is the best route to friendship and understanding.
to practice Humility, a self-deprecating sense of humour, and courtesy.


And rereading this list after a bit more time, I think it just might be a good list of "rules" to live life by. :cool:

ainon--thanks for the comment on the avatars. It's kind of fun. All of them are sized 45x45 pixels in order to fit the limits on CofE. I see the limit here is 50x50, so I may go in and do some resizing. (Then I'll feel even more obligated to donate to help cover the cost of the bandwidth!)

Ash Wednesday Q&A:

Alexan or S_L, I have the following questions:

Did Elijah *have* scenes with other people than Ed Burns and his "wife", apart from that shoot-out in the bar? If so, what kind of scenes were that?

Most of the paper reviews seemed to think his dialect wasn't that good, that it didn't sound like he had been raised in NY, what did you think?

:)

(((Viola)))) and Alexan; - good luck!

Originally posted by tgshaw
But, looking at priorities, we can't forget the part he was born to play, and the fact that there was a two-inch height window within which all the hobbit actors had to fit in order for the special effects to work.

Someone asked PJ this exact question, whether or not he needed to have short actors for the special effects, and IIRC, he said no, and that the only reason that the other hobbits chosen were short was because Elijah had alread been cast and they needed to have actors who were within a 2" window of Elijah's height. I, of course, can't recall exactly where I heard this, but I think it was in the Charlie Rose interview...

Originally posted by Gladys
Oh, but Hamlet is supposed to be 30, remember - even if he is still bumming around university and living at home with his mother. :D The Mel Gibson Hamlet was actually made way back in1990 and there was also a Kenneth Branagh version in 1996 (thanks IMDB!), so by the time EW is the right age for the part these films will be 15-20 years old.

Well, actually, I wasn't thinking of having him cast instead of Mel at the time Mel's version was made, but rather make a new one now...but two treatments of the same story in such a short time period (KB's treatment was different enough to not be just a remake) probably wouldn't interest any film makers.

Originally posted by Maeglian
And the new and extended scenes. :cool: I think I'm going to watch the new scenes first (Green Dragon, Elves in the Shire, Midgewater marshes)..... and then the giftgiving.... and then...? Where has the new angst been added??? Decisions, decisions! :rolleyes:

I am pretty sure the new scenes are integrated right into the movie - almost seamlessly. That was a big point they were trying to make earlier - that this movie will not be plopping additional scenes on featurette somewhere, but editing them right back into the movie, and going so far as to actually write 30 minutes of new music to fit into the additional scenes.

Originally posted by Niphredil
I'd like to see Elijah play Sebastian from "Twelfth Night".

Parents/sister drowning (or not) ... sea-journey ... orphanhood ... friend called Antonio who adores him ... rainwater eyes ... need I go on?

Ariel has another "D'oh" moment...

Oh, DEFINITELY! Oh, that would be a brilliant role for him... of course, I'd love to see him as "Ariel" in 'The Tempest" too... small, quick, unearthly beauty? :D Edit: Maybe if I had read a little further, I would have seen someone else also brought this up... Sorry!

Whoa! I finally got caught up! Now I have to go work on the harem thread... :rolleyes: I have SUCH an exciting life...

Ariel

Originally posted by Ariel
Someone asked PJ this exact question, whether or not he needed to have short actors for the special effects, and IIRC, he said no, and that the only reason that the other hobbits chosen were short was because Elijah had alread been cast and they needed to have actors who were within a 2" window of Elijah's height. I, of course, can't recall exactly where I heard this, but I think it was in the Charlie Rose interview...
:confused: I've listened to that interview twice and didn't get that impression--will have to check it again, I guess (sometime--it's close to an hour long :eek: !). I thought this question had come up in the Imladris thread, too, and had been resolved, which is why I felt "safe" repeating it. I don't suppose anyone remembers?

I am pretty sure the new scenes are integrated right into the movie - almost seamlessly. That was a big point they were trying to make earlier - that this movie will not be plopping additional scenes on featurette somewhere, but editing them right back into the movie, and going so far as to actually write 30 minutes of new music to fit into the additional scenes.
Oh, yes, but I'm sure we'll still have that lovely "select a scene" menu. :)

Geesh, 3.5 hours long, 4 commentary tracks, and (IIRC) two DVD's of special features... Anyone else get the feeling this is going to be a fulltime job?

BTW, I just posted some screencaps over in the Pictures thread in the Trilogy because, even though Elijah's in the pics they're not really [i]about him. They show the disappearing process in the scene with Boromir. I discovered them while doing frame-by-frame blinking research for this thread, of course ;) , so thought I'd mention them here. Elijah does seem to have one eye open and one eye closed in these pics, but that's probably just due to his position on the ground. I was blown away when I saw this process--these guys thought of everything!

That description of Sean Astin's foot gashing incident reminds me of SA's own description of the event, given at a bookstore appearance in LA early this year. There was an audio recording of this, I think over at TORN, and I recall it pretty well because it cracked me up so much when I listened to it:
(SA speaking): "I remember Elijah coming over to me and saying "DUUUDE! GROSS!" and then he picked up a stick and started to play with a blood clot that had fallen off my foot.."
(In the background you could hear people in the store going "ewww..":p )
I guess he could laugh about it in retrospect, but being injured during such a grueling shoot must have been a miserable "what fresh hell is this" experience at the time.

Louise, I totally concure with your comments about the press:

The more famous and popular he gets, the more people will make up stuff about him. It's up to discerning fans to take every quote with a grain of salt, unless they see him say it himself. And even then, things can be edited to make something taken out of context sound worse than it is. And, sad to say, the "news" media nowadays seems to be more interested in creating controversy because they think it will peddle more papers than reports about how nice everyone is, and how well they get along. Here's hoping that the "scummier" elements of our media and the internet don't get too interested in his doings, but nowadays you can't count on anything or anyone staying unassailed by these creeps for long.

I'm afraid this process has already started, and the fans are equally guilty of spreading misinformation. There's way too much over-analysis and misinterpretation of every little tidbit that appears in print - the public forgets that what you see in the press about someone represents just a tiny fraction of that individual's life, and hardly constitutes a basis for psychoanalysing them or passing judgement on them. I'm always reminded of those lines from Eliot's Prufrock:

And I have known the eyes already, known them all --
the eyes that fix you in a formulated phrase,
And when I am formulated, sprawling on a pin,
When I am pinned and wriggling on the wall,
Then how should I begin
To spit out all the butt-ends of my days and ways?

In my own professional dealings with the press (I work for a government agency) i never ceased to be amazed at how some of them can take a simple statement or clear-cut statistic, and misquote/distort/fold/spindle/mutilate it into something unrecognizable and utterly misleading. It's not like I expect them to do spin for anyone, just report the facts, please!!!

During this whole Shakespeare discussion, I notice that no one has mentioned Ethan Hawke's Hamlet... hmm, why not?:p

Edit: I just saw a tiny wee clip of a scene from Ash Wednesday over at elijahfan.com. (on the main page under Sat 19th). Can't judge a scene out of context but it does look a little underplayed..

Originally posted by Wild Goose
(SA speaking): "I remember Elijah coming over to me and saying "DUUUDE! GROSS!" and then he picked up a stick and started to play with a blood clot that had fallen off my foot.."

Reminds me of EW's "Oh, you have big spiders?" remark in one of the specials on the present DVD. :D

Wold Goose said:

During this whole Shakespeare discussion, I notice that no one has mentioned Ethan Hawke's Hamlet... hmm, why not?

Haven't seen this version; so how old does Hamlet look when played by Ethan Hawke?


On a different subject: While reading the Sunday newspaper today, I came across an article from the Los Angeles times that sheds a little light on why films like Chain of Fools are not released. (I hasten to add that the piece did not discuss CoF itself). The article may be viewed at the following site, but be warned that one must register to see it.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/arts/chi-0210200231oct20,0,2967288.story?coll=chi%2Dleisurearts%2Dhed

The article focuses on Miramax, and how they decide what to release—or not. It discusses timing, reviews from critics, and the “instincts” :rolleyes: of the studio heads. What I found most interesting was a point about accounting: a studio can hold onto an unreleased film and count it as an asset for accounting purposes, but .the minute it gets released, it is a debit, and if it doesn’t make money (or make enough money) the studio’s bottom line is affected negatively. So a studio like Warner Brothers has a fiscal incentive to hold back a film like Chain of Fools, if they think it won’t bring in enough money, until they can use it to offset the profits of some other project. It is the essence of creative accounting! I guess that is why actors like Elwood who participate in a project simply have to shrug off the games that studios play.

Originally posted by tgshaw
:confused: I've listened to that interview twice and didn't get that impression--will have to check it again, I guess (sometime--it's close to an hour long :eek: !). I thought this question had come up in the Imladris thread, too, and had been resolved, which is why I felt "safe" repeating it. I don't suppose anyone remembers? [I do know that having the hobbit actors the height they were eliminated the need to do any size-altering effects between them and Gimli, as the height difference between them and John Rys-Davies (sp?) was just right, as in that blue-screen shot that's come up recently--but I doubt if that was planned.]


Might not have been the CR interview then. Though I remember watching an interview where someone asked this specific question of PJ and him stating that the height window was only because they had already cast EW, not because they needed any specific height for the special effects. Though, you are right, it did make it easier dealing with JRD in the scenes they were both in.

You are perfectly 'safe' repeating that here - especially since I can't remember my source! :p I was actually hoping someone reading the thread would know which interview this information had come from, as it was exactly this rumor that PJ was responding too. I remembered it as an 'Aha!' moment, though obviously not well enough to remember where I heard it.

Ariel

[RANT]Well going to sleep early paid off because I did get up at the right time this morning to get ready and didn't fall back asleep like I usually do, and oh yes how did I do?....well only 1ST PLACE...in my category...which only consisted of me (:S), but I did do a lot better then I thought I did (a hundred some thing points). I guess this is one of those times when being the only female there felt good. yes, yes I did do good (hey it was my first time).
[/END RANT]

Now on to some thing more on topic:

Looking at pictures of Spader I really don't see much resemblance (..is there suppose to be any?).

As for all the Ash Wednesday questions...they're going to have to wait a little bit (at least for several hours) til I can put them and a big thing about Elijah's career, past, present and future on the journal. At the moment I'm a little dirty and don't smell that good and am pretty beat up, so I must take a nice hot shower. Until later –Alexan

The height issue was covered definitively in the issue of Cinefex, but I don't have that mag with me. What I remember is that they scaled everything to Elijah Wood and it was just lucky that the other hobbit boys were in the same range. I'm not sure if they needed Elijah to be of a certain height for any pre-existing sfx equipment.

Here is the excerpt from cinefex concerning hobbit scale:
...After some consideration, production settled on a scaling ratio for the hobbits based upon Elijah Wood's real hight and Frodo's desired height. For the sake of simplicity, that one scaling ratio was applied across the board, to all the hobbit characters. regardless of the heights of the actors portraying them - although there was little disparity in the heights to begin with, as Jackson had purposely cast hobbit actors who were all roughly the same size. Even though dwarves needed to be large than hobbits, the hobbit scaling ratio sufficed for them, as well, since Joh Rhys-Davies and the other actors hired to play them were the appropriate number of inches talled than wood.

From Ariel
I am pretty sure the new scenes are integrated right into the movie - almost seamlessly. That was a big point they were trying to make earlier - that this movie will not be plopping additional scenes on featurette somewhere, but editing them right back into the movie.
Yes, that's certainly so. But fortunately they're providing a detailed list of scenes and content with the DVD where they've even marked which scenes in the film are completely new and which ones have been extended (which are most of them). So I still plan to make good use of my DVD handset first time I watch it. I just *have* to see the completely new hobbitocentric scened first! :o

Got to run - work calls.

Well, thought I'd try to make up for all my mistakes the last few days by... probably making another one!! But, see what you all think. I picked up this pic at Brandy Hall. Is that Frodo in the background? Looks like him (rather than Pippin, say) and the background would be right, but his position in relation to the others isn't what I thought it was in the movie.

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/Fellowship/mersam3.jpg

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/Fellowship/mersam30.jpg

Alexan--Congratulations on the archery! Even if you were first in a field of one, if you went out and did better than you thought you would, IMHO that's a great victory! And don't worry about the James Spader thing--that was one of my mistakes over the weekend (see first paragraph :rolleyes: ).

Ariel searches for large trout to use on tg...

Mistake? Hardly. And the height thing was something I had also heard many times and only when I saw the specific question addressed by PJ himself did I change my opinion. As for the picture (Thank you for that shot! It is one I have never seen!) I don't think it is ever made apparent where Frodo is in relation to the rest of them - but this shot...

http://web.kcnet.org/arielshouse/FrodoinLothlorien2.jpg

...strongly suggests that it IS Frodo in the background of the shots you posted.

:D

See? No mistakes at all!

Ariel

Could this be another case of a photo being "flipped"? If the one I got at Brandy Hall is backwards, it would put Frodo's legs in the same position as the larger pic, as well as having him facing the same direction he is there and in the movie.

--I just posted this same question at Brandy Hall.

tg:
I haven't seen the Shawshank Redemption movie, but I've read the story--and loved the ending. Is the ending of the movie basically the same as the one in print?

Yes. :) Btw, I really, *really* like today's avatar, tg. ;)

Thanks for the pic too. Is that something we're going to see in the Extended version? And I've always loved that pic of solitary Frodo. Looks flipped. Does anyone have the screencap of the scene from the movie - that brief glimpse of Frodo sitting alone, listening as Merry and Legolas talk?


Alexan, CONGRATULATIONS! :cool: And let us know when your journal is ready!


Speaking of TORN clips - did they ever put up that promised Elijah Wood interview? :confused:


Maeg:
I just *have* to see the completely new hobbitocentric scened first!

Me too. I'm also seriously conflicted about whether or not I should watch the whole movie through 'properly', or if I should just give in and skip all non-hobbit scenes so that I can get through that 3.5 hours in one sitting. :p I'm actually trying to plan some kind of schedule in order to be able to watch *everything*. If I'm lucky enough to get the DVD at the same time as everyone else - next month - then that's going to be during the fasting month. So I can plan my viewing sessions during the day over a weekend, when I can watch the DVDs for hours on end without having to worry about petty things like lunch. Or fretting about getting dehydrated if I don't tear myself away from the TV to go get a glass of water. Good, eh? :D Of course I can't imagine how bad my back will ache from all those hours spent slouching on the couch, but that's surely just a tad bit of suffering to endure in the name of Middle Earth. :p :D


editing to add: someone saw Sean Astin's Short Film 'The Long And Short Of It' and wrote a review. this is over at BagEndInn. It all sounds rather cute. :) Of special interest to us, this bit from the review:
Elijah was listed as First Assistant Director.
That's a technical job, isn't it?

From ainon
If I'm lucky enough to get the DVD at the same time as everyone else - next month... Oh, I do *hope* you're lucky enough!! It would be sad if you could'nt join in the discussions but had to listen to us gushing (and watching the many, many screencaps).

Why do you think it won't be released in Malaysia along with the US and Europe; - how long did the first DVD take to be released?

I checked in with my local video store to hear what price they're going to charge for the SE DVD, but the guy behind the counter didn't know yet. He basically shrugged and said "Oh, that one's going to get sold no matter what the price...."
:rolleyes:


Tg, thanks for that new Lothlorien pic. It's great. I hope that's in the SE DVD too. And it lends further strength to the theory that the mirror takes place the same night they arrive (if any further evidence was needed). Frodo is still keeping sadly to himself, keeping distance from the others, just like when they got out of Moria.

Since I got that Lothlorien pic with Frodo in the background third-hand, I don't know where it's from. I doubt if it's in the extended version, though--it doesn't look like a screencap. If I were at home instead of the office I could get a screencap of Frodo from that point in the movie, but I think the pic Ariel posted is pretty close to what we actually saw--which is why I'm wondering if the one with him in the background is flipped.
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Later Edit: Esmeraldabrandybuck just posted that the pic with Frodo in the background is, indeed, reversed.
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I think what I'm looking forward to the most in the extended DVD is the track of commentary from the actors that someone mentioned. I may just have to listen to that the first time through (at least for selected scenes).

Quoted from ainon, re the Sean Astin film report:Elijah was listed as First Assistant Director

Why does this idea make me crack up? How many assistant directors can there BE in a five minute film?

Well, at least he wasn't "Best Boy"! :D

Hello I'm back! Started my new job today, it is going fine.

Wow, 10 pages, I've got some serious reading to do! Anyway I'll be back later just popped in to say that I got my copy of Bumblebee! I watched it last night and really enjoyed it!

Oh well, hope you're all fine, I'll have to read all the posts I missed later.

L :)

Re Elijah and "First Assistant Director", my guess is that in order for the union to allow him to become a "director" on his own some day, he has to do so many things as an "assistant" director. Unions usually require you to put in time as a grunt before they allow you to do anything as a big cheese. Or I could be making an erroneous assumption. But I doubt it. :D

And a lot of people make their living being "First Assistant Director" on one minute or 30 second films (also known as commercials), so don't knock it. :) I hope this means Elijah is on his way to being a director himself some day, since he says he wants to do that. I just hope he doesn't decide he likes it so much that he gives up acting. That would be bad news for his fans. :(

Louise, I didn't mean to sound like I was knocking the exalted title that Sean Astin gave Elijah for his film; I just thought the whole project sounded a wonderful collaboration among the cast and crew of the LoTR films and that credits seem to have been given all around. I would love to see Astin's film, because it sounds like a great deal of fun. I'm up for anything that EW has been involved in...(well, not ANYthing :blushes:).

So would a credit like this appear on EW's resume now? :D I agree with you that it would be a shame if he disappeared behind the camera. But if decent projects don't come his way, well, why not?

welcome back, Luthiea. And tg, how do you DO that with your avatar?

Congrats on starting the new job, Luthiea--hope it turns out to be one you really enjoy :) !

Did anyone get a chance to actually see Sean Astin's short over the weekend?

Originally posted by Vita S-B
And tg, how do you DO that with your avatar?
:confused: I'm not quite sure what "that" is... If you mean changing it every day, that's actually pretty simple, especially since you can link to avatars on your C drive and don't have to put them on a web page or anything. When Imladris crashed I lost my "feisty Frodo at the ford" that someone had given me, and figured I'd better learn to make my own avatar--and, ummm, well, once I learned... I, uhhh, kinda went a bit nuts :rolleyes: ... I now have a file of about 40 of them on my C drive and all I have to do is go into my "options," hit "change avatar," and browse to another one, so it just takes a few seconds. Of course, with all the new pics coming out, and my own screencaps, etc., it's not like I've stopped making them! :o And as I learn different ways to make pics look better, I go in and "tweak" one or another of them sometimes.

[And now where should I send those unmarked bills I owe you for asking that question and giving me a chance to brag ;) ?]

If you mean specifically today's avatar--oooh, yes, I do like that pic. It's from a screencap I made from the special on the DVD that shows the Weathertop scene from an alternate angle (I remember someone complaining that the voiceover kept talking about the Nazgul and not what Elijah was doing :) ). I'd already lightened the screencap some to make it easier to see. I don't think I've posted it before, even though IIRC someone requested it, because it's so big--I wanted to try to resize it before I posted it, but I've tried several times and it never comes out looking as good as the original, so I guess I'll just post it the way it is. IMHO, the beautiful profile shot and the detailed draping of the cloak make it look almost like a painting:

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/outtakes/cap1010.jpg

--If there's a certain shot someone would like me to try to turn into an avatar for them, I'd be happy to try. "Try" is the operative word--there are some pics I really like but haven't been able to turn into good-looking avatars. It's all trial and error, and some turn out better than others, but I'm having great fun with it. :)

Greetings! I am, indeed, back! It has taken me at least a couple of hours to get caught up here (we were on page 7 when I left!), what with interruptions from kids, and whatnot. Can't they see I'm busy here?!:rolleyes:

Anyway, there is no way I can comment on everything that crossed my mind as I read all your wonderful posts. But a few things stuck with me: Hamlet? Oh, yes! Ariel in The Tempest? Oh, yes, yes! The thought of that one gives me the shivers, even though it's not a huge part.

I've often wondered, lately, whether EJW would make a good stage actor or not, for reasons that others have gone into. He would have to change his style dramatically, but I'll bet he could do it. Has anyone ever read anything about whether it's an aspiration of his?

The First Assistant Director made me smile, too. Was there a plain old Assistant or a Second Assistant listed? I wonder what his duties included...

Blossom, thanks for those Faculty pics. So glad you finally worked out the bugs in posting. Now... more! More!:D

Alexan, you've never seen a Dustin Hoffman picture? Yikes! But then, I'm old. And now I'm racking my brain trying to think of good ones to recommend! Of course, that's assuming you're interested... which is assuming a lot. He's always been one of my favorite actors, though I certainly haven't seen everything that he's done. Not by a long shot. But if Elijah could have a career anything like his, I'd be pleased!

Oh, and I got my DVD player! Whoo-hoo! I watched all the extras, and the TTT preview bits left me giddy with gleeful anticipation! And I've already decided that when the Extended version of FOTR comes out, I'm going to watch it normally, from beginning to end, and then go back and catch the added bits again! And I am SO looking forward to the commentary by the hobbits! What is it now... 22 days?

And tonight I have got to go watch the "vanishing" scenes frame by frame, as I am most intrigued by tg's post regarding them...:cool:

OK, here's my 1,2,3 again :rolleyes: :p

1. Don't know if you have seen these or not, here are 2 short video clips from FOTR:SE DVD behind the scene.
cast talking about viggo (http://demand1.stream.aol.com/ramgen/aol/us/aolentertainment/movies/2002/lotr/lotrfellowship_dvd4clip1_bb8.rm)
cast talking about Sir Ian (http://demand1.stream.aol.com/ramgen/aol/us/aolentertainment/movies/2002/lotr/lotrfellowship_dvd4clip2_bb8.rm) and EW illustrates how Sir Ian protests when he and Dom play music too loud. LMAO :D :D

2. Here's a scan of the new TTT monthly calendar. I know we've seen it before, but I think this one is clearer. (from "A Hobbit's Tale")
I'm so going to the bookstore tomorrow.

http://www.ifrance.com/ahobbitstale/galleries/calendar2003_01.jpg


3. and this one, Awwwww. :D
http://www.imagemagician.com/images/deluby/elijahwood213.jpg

4. I am reading through the 16 page review of FOTR:SE DVD at ign (http://dvd.ign.com/articles/374/374921p1.html) with TONS of screencaps.
Here are some GREAT frodo-centric ones.


****FOTR:SE DVD Spoiler alert!! scroll fast if you don't want to see the screencaps****



Frodo and Bilbo hide from the Sacksville Bagginses.

http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/lotrex_new_07.jpg

http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/lotrex_new_13.jpg
http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/lotrex_new_14.jpg
:eek: :eek: :eek: Frodo wakes up and sees the stone troll above him. Sam tries to comfort him by saying "they are Mr. Bilbo's Trolls!"

http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/lotrex_new_18.jpg
http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/lotrex_new_19.jpg


http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/lotrex_new_28.jpg
:( :( :(
http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/lotrex_new_54.jpg

EDIT:
some nice tidbits concerning Frodo from the above review:
The Passing of Elves
Remember that old photo of Frodo relaxing in a tree? Well, that scene is included as part of Frodo and Sam's trip out of the Shire. After they pass the scarecrow, we see Sam tending a fire as Frodo relaxes in a tree. When Frodo hears Elvish music, he says "Wood Elves!" and the two go to see a line of Elves moving through the forest and towards the Gray Havens. The Elvish here is really nice.The Departure of the Fellowship
After Bilbo's lunge for the Ring, there is a new scene that simply gave me goose bumps. We see the Fellowship ready to depart from Rivendell as Elrond delivers a speech. When he is done, Gandalf says, "The Fellowship awaits the Ring Bearer", and we then see Frodo's reluctant steps out of Rivendell through his eyes. As he passes under the arch, he asks "Mordor, Gandalf, is it left or right?" Gandalf pats Frodo on the shoulder and simply replies, "Left." The scene is just so perfect, with so many iconic shots of the characters before they depart on their quest that it's one moment fans of the books will love.Lothlorien
As Aragorn argues with Haldir in Elvish, Frodo looks at the rest of the Fellowship to see worry in their eyes. Remember the shots of Sam, Legolas, Merry, and Pippin that Frodo sees in the Mirror? Those shots are from this scene. Boromir tries to comfort Frodo by telling him that he has to live with the burden of the Ring, but shouldn't have to live with the burden of Gandalf's death.


EDIT 2:
Some interesting notes from the commentary(the reviewer listened to ALL 4 commentaries. :eek: That 16-page review is definetely a great read.)An alternate version of the Prologue was one that would have Elijah Wood doing the voice over. The original idea was that Frodo was telling the story after his adventure, but it was later changed as they realized that Frodo probably wouldn't have been that versed in the history of Middle-Earth.
As we all know, the Prologue is now told by Galadriel who is revealed to end The Return of the King with a similar voice-over.



****Spoiler Alert End****

Wow, Deluby, thanks so much for those screen caps! Everyone of them is breathtaking. I haven't had much time to read any reviews or look at any caps from the DVD, so every little thing you guys post is well appreciated! (btw, for a second there, I thought Bilbo was on a cell phone in that first screen cap...) And that oscar photo is excellent - it looks like he's saying "yeah I look good"! His tux certainly fit better then than any of the ones I've seen him in lately. :p

How excellent that EW was able to be First Assistant Director in the short film! I am more thrilled about this than if he'd acted in it. As Louise stated, it is the norm to have one or more assistant directors on films, commercials and music videos of all lengths - it's hard work no matter what the length of the project. A film of five minutes can spend days in principal photography and weeks in post production. The duty of the AD is to generally keep track of scheduling of cast, crew, locations, etc... and making sure the thing stays on track time-wise. I've never heard that one would need to do assitant directing prior to actual directing, though. It might be possible when dealing with studios or the Director's Guild, but probably wouldn't be the case in indie filmmaking, which would probably be more what Elijah would want to do. I feel like EW will be doing more behind the scenes stuff in the future, so every little bit of experience he can get is great for him. I don't know if other sites will give him credit for this short film, but I will certainly be adding to his filmography on my website! Oh, and I also heard that the film was excellent and quite funny... wouldn't it be great if it were nominated for an oscar? Sean's last short film (Kangaroo Court) was nominated in 1995.

Well, my mom is visiting and we watched Forever Young a couple of nights ago. All she could keep saying was "aawww, look at that face!" and "he's the most adorable thing I've ever seen!". She is now officially in love with him. She also told me she had tried to get his autograph off ebay to surprise me, but was outbid in the last second. She's gonna try for another, of course. Isn't she the greatest mom? :)

Just read that 16-page review deluby linked to:

:eek: !! good way!]

And they're going to do this two more times?!?! :eek: :eek:

And maybe (we hope?) again after all three movies are out?

On the Frodo-related comments, I was most glad to read Frodo's actual line when the Fellowship's leaving Rivendell--when I first heard about that scene addition, it sounded like he was going to come off as just plain stupid. The actual line seems naive--and determined.

As I started reading the review, I noticed a few things to comment on here--but by the end, there was just... too... much!

I claimed December 18 as a vacation day months ago--if it hadn't been for the "enforced vacation" because of the deer/car collision, I could have scheduled two more days off to at least get a start on the DVD *sigh* -- but we wants it now, anyway.

[And, yes, that proud little guy in the tux is definitely an "Awww..." picture. :) ]

As we all know, the Prologue is now told by Galadriel who is revealed to end The Return of the King with a similar voice-over.

OH THANK ERU!!!

When I first heard EW would be doing the voice over for the end, I was like NOOOOO!!! The prologue SAYS "...for none now live who remember it..." I loved that line - it always brings a tear to my eye! And if Frodo did the epilogue it would mean that line wasn't true. Perhaps I am anal, but that has bothered me... I am deleriously happy to hear that Galadriel will do the epilogue too!

Ariel

And they're going to do this two more times?!?! Okay, I'm trying not to read to much into this, and failing miserably, so I'll just ask: Does this mean that they already know that they're going to produce extended versions of the next two films? Does it say this somewhere official? Or am I just getting all excited here for nothing?:confused: ACK! Need answers!

Oh, deluby, those screencaps! I didn't want to look, but I just couldn't help myself. They're fabulous and beautiful and... good golly, I'm just beside myself with excitement! Only 20 more days...:D

Darn it all, we need that worshipping smiley here! deluby -- THANK YOU! Oh wow oh wow oh wow oh wow oh wow ...

Before I get too hyped up and lose all typing capabilities: welcome back, Luthiea and Bunnie, Elve - thanks for explaining what Assistant Directors do; I always notice that every show and every movie has a First Assistant Director, but until EW got a job as one I never really needed to know what the job entails ;) and whoever is really determined to avoid spoilers and images (I'm really admire your resilience!) go to your edit option in your control panel, and under the Thread View Options, check no for 'Show image attachments and code in Posts?' :)



And oh yes, [i]Ash Wednesday :) -- thanks, Wildgoose for the video clip. I've watched it and I noticed the accent discrepancy between the two brothers (they grew up together in the same place - one would expect them to talk the same, right? I mean, just look at the way Frasier and Niles Crane talk :D ) but of course can't pinpoint what accent is what. Does Elijah's character actually say "gwon" in place of "gone"? :confused:

Oh, deluby, THANK YOU for posting that link! I am so excited to see this material now! Counting down the days....

It was nice to see my cousin Lobelia getting some screen time. :)

Originally posted by BunnieBugs
Okay, I'm trying not to read to much into this, and failing miserably, so I'll just ask: Does this mean that they already know that they're going to produce extended versions of the next two films? Does it say this somewhere official? Or am I just getting all excited here for nothing?:confused: ACK! Need answers!

That would just be me sticking my foot in my mouth again. I just assumed they were--partly because that's where they're sticking the fan club credits this time and partly because... why wouldn't they, I guess. I never thought of the possibility that they wouldn't--but I don't know if in my mind I was thinking specifically of another extended version--just two more "regular" DVD's like the one for FotR would be amazing!

Sorry--I was still waking up at the time and probably fuzzed several things together.

Deluby - thank you!
I think I'm almost incoherent and I can't write a long post, because it will sound like I'm babbling....

But oh, that scene with the stone trolls, and the one where the fellowship leaves Rivendell, and and and..... This is going to be amazing. And would you look at that Lobelia! Doesn't she look exactly like we'd imagined her?! And Bilbo even mentions that he's adopted Frodo?! Oh wow. Did I mention I'm looking forward to this? :rolleyes: OK, I'll stop now and come back when I'm coherent again.

Hi,

Am just catching up with reading the threads, am still on page 6(!) so not read everything yet but thought I'd drop off these 2 pics of Elwood at the TFF, they're from bagendinn.com but I got them at another forum, I've not seen them before -


http://www.bagendinn.com/images/toronto52.jpg
Photographer - "Now for our next shot, I'd like you to stand on one leg whilst pretending to shoot someone with your foot!"


http://www.bagendinn.com/images/toronto31.jpg
I see yoooooooouuuuuuuu!

L :)

This is a quickie as I've got to run!

Deluby -I second everyone else's "wow" -those screen caps are just amazing. I love them all, sigh.

Luthiea...those screencaps. I'm sure it must be painful to have your leg twisted around the wrong way...I just took one look and winced!! I wanted to shout "put it back, just put it back!" :eek:

All this talk about the SE DVD is making me drool, in between trying to work out how to get one of the first copies and still be at work (I wonder if they'd notice if I wasn't there??? hmm ;) )

ainon...if I get any more trouts -I'm opening a shop!!

no profound thoughts on the discussion -too tired.

see you!
viola

Luthiea--I thought that gray and red t-shirt looked familiar! EW's wearing it in the "practicing Hamlet" pic Wild Goose posted way back on page 9 (this has been moving fast!). He's also wearing that same little "fringe" of a beard--but he's a lot more serious. WG's link is to "Try 17" portraits, and there's quite a few of them--but the two you posted aren't there (there are some where he's smiling, but nothing funny or silly. -- IMHO, they do show what we've talked about before (one board ago? two boards ago?): that Elwood seems to enjoy "modeling-type" shoots and do better with them than most actors.

Actually, those modeling type shots with his Adidas t-shirt were from a shoot that was done either while at the “Try 17” premiere or just before – Hobmom posted the link to a site where you could buy those pics online – and there were TONS more than was shown in the link that was attached to her thread! I know the best one that I saw wasn’t even in that bunch, but I don’t seem to have it on my disk – it’s probably at home! If Hobmom reads this, perhaps she can provide you with the link.

Edit: Ah ha! Deluby comes through again!

Here is the pic that I thought was so flattering...
http://members.optushome.com.au/elvenmuggle/toronto/toronto47.jpg

Ariel

Actually A&F has them in their Toronto Film Festival Gallery (http://members.optushome.com.au/elvenmuggle/toronto.html) There are three pages. :)

Galadriel ends RotK with a voiceover? Would PJ need a voiceover if he were stopping at "I'm back??" See, now my heart is all fluttery, because now I'm starting to think that PJ IS going to include some material from Appendix B (later events). My heart is set on Sam arriving in the Blessed Lands, or at least setting sail.

As for Special Edition DVD's for TTT or RotK, I think we'll get commentaries and outtakes etc. But I don't count on getting a Director's Cut like we do for FotR. For FotR, PJ had to cut material to achieve the three-hour limit, while for TTT and RotK, PJ will have to add material. So for TTT and RotK, the theatrical release will be the director's cut.

I think 2 separate DVD release like FOTR and FOTR:SE is a sure thing for TTT and ROTK.
From Q&A with PJ in LOTR official fan club mag aug-sept issue:Q:Now that you are in post-production on TTT, do you think we will see an extended DVD of it?
A: Yes, there is cerainly enough footage. We've got some great scences that we didn't have time for in the film version.
I also read in other articles that both TTT and ROTK will each have a extended version. I remember the person being interviewed saying how they wanna maintain a continuity with separate DVD release. So in the future when you watch all 3 regular release together, it would feel like a whole DVD set, and the same goes for the SE versions.
I'll try to find the source where I read it. I thought it was from the 4 part interview with New Line VP Mike Mulvihill on LordOfTheRingsGuide.com, but I just reread it quickly and apparently I didn't find that info there.
:rolleyes:

edit: found another semi-confirmation: from TORN's SE DVD review Q&AQ: Hi I was just wondering if Peter Jackson and New Line had decided if they were going to do a special edition DVD for each one of the Lord Of The Rings movies. I know this is a very hard question to answer but any info would be helpful thanks for your time.
A: I got the feeling that they will be doing this, as I have been invited back to LA in a years time to do it all over again.

So from all this discussion of Extended versions of all three films, plus ostensibly additional material about the production, etc. for each of the films, theoretically by the Fall of 2004 we will all have to retire in order to have enough time to *see* all three SE DVD's?

OK! I'm there!

Originally posted by Vita S-B
So from all this discussion of Extended versions of all three films, plus ostensibly additional material about the production, etc. for each of the films, theoretically by the Fall of 2004 we will all have to retire in order to have enough time to *see* all three SE DVD's?

OK! I'm there! Count me in, too! More is better!

My husband and I sat and watched the credits after seeing FOTR for the first time, and I said to him, "Wow. They left a lot out, didn't they?" He repied, "Well, they pretty much had to. Who'd want to sit through a five hour movie?" There was a pause, and we looked at each other, and then we both raised our hands!:D

Ok, I've answered most of your Ash Wednesday questions and wrote that little essay thing on possible roles for him past/present, go ahead and look.

Oooh extented DVD screen caps...gimme, gimme! lol But really they look great, just trying to figure which part of the film they all come from....hmmm.....

Originally posted by Vita S-B
So from all this discussion of Extended versions of all three films, plus ostensibly additional material about the production, etc. for each of the films, theoretically by the Fall of 2004 we will all have to retire in order to have enough time to *see* all three SE DVD's?

OK! I'm there!
We'll open a retirement home with a big-screen TV that shows nothing but the LotR movies, alternating between the theatrical cuts and the extended versions, interspersed with features from the DVDs, other Elwood movies, and frame-by-frame discussions of interesting scenes.

Besides some possible internet schemes, we could support the place by making it also a bed & breakfast (see, right there, we've already got a quote ;) ) with various theme rooms: the parlor at Bag End, Frodo's bedroom at Rivendell, Aragorn's room at the Prancing Pony (with that big bed), even a flet or two during warm weather (we're supposed to see some in the extended version, aren't we?)--and there will certainly be more after the other two movies, if only Denethor's "room" in Rath Dinen for those with a taste for the morbid. Hey, it could happen :D !

----A little more seriously, deluby's statement about the three theatrical versions making up one long movie and the extended versions making up a different movie actually sounds reasonable. Even in FotR, the story will be a bit different in the two versions; for continuity, you'd have to continue on with a movie that's consistent with the version of FotR you saw. Geesh--I can't even think about how complicated that would be for the people making them :eek: ! To a certain extent, they'd be making six movies instead of three--to say nothing about all the extra DVD features.

Alexan, thanks for the replies.

I checked BoxOffice Mojo for this weekend's takings for Ash Wednesday, but there weren't any. (And their list goes over 140 movies, all the way down to films making a couple of hundred dollars). I guess that means the film's already been taken off the programme in NY and LA? And does that mean that next time it appears, it will be on Video??


tg, always the practical one! :) I was just thinking that: OK, let's all retire into complete LotR-dom, but where do we get the *money*? I like the bed and breakfast scheme. But I think I'd like to stay a while in Frodo's Rivendell bedroom myself... because of the beautiful art noveau, of course, just that. Truly.

That screencap of Frodo staring blankly while lying under Bilbo's trolls, shows a lot of the magical disappearing green goo on his face. It looks *very* icky. I was trying to formulate a question or comment about that, but i am unable to come up with anything that doesn't ... well, sound equally icky. So I'll just let it be. :rolleyes: Certainly it *does* help with the fatally wounded and extremely ill look. :eek:

This has nothing to do with anything that's being discussed (except maybe the bed & breakfast if we really stretched it). But last night I was watching The Movie--not doing any "research" or planning any "frame-by-frame" work--just watching it. Even when I'm doing that, though, sometimes I'll hit the "p" key (which is all I have to do to take a screencap) if I think I might be able to get a nice shot, and I think I got a few last night. It's been a long day and I'm going to bed early, so thought I'd end the day with a little beauty--which beauty, needless to say, has nothing to do with how good I am at hitting the "p" key :) :


http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/Fellowship/cap534.jpg


http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/Fellowship/cap535.jpg


Then just read my sig, and have a good night, or whatever part of the clock you're on :) .

tg: the picture of Frodo sleeping fitfully reminded me of the clip that deluby posted about the hobbit boys sharing a trailer with Ian McKellan and playing their music to the annoyance of Sir I. I have a mental picture of EW and Dom playing FooFighters or the Clinic at top volume (early in the morning, says Sir Ian) and Gandalf muttering curses at them. :D

I wonder if they got footage of *those* moments?

Edit: WOO HOO! IT'S BACK! My avatar is back!

Vita! Your wonderful avatar! Now I won't need any reminders that you're peaceweaver.;) :D

I think it took me longer to catch up here than on the Harem thread.:eek: :p And now my kitty wants to sit on my lap on the couch, which means I'll have to log off. Poor honey just had three teeth pulled, so her wish is my command.

If the Faculty ever does open a retirement home/B&B, I'm there!:cool: I'll decorate my room with a rotating collection of Frolijah photos, sort of like tg shaw's avatar-du-jour. :)

You know, I've noticed that if I stare at those pictures that TG just posted long enough, I can actually see him breathe. No really. Try it. It's wild!

Re the scene where Frodo is stabbed on Weathertop: I remember seeing a "Making of" shot where they show Elijah lying on the ground before they shoot this scene. He's got a bunch of white fluttery (wraith world) things around him, a camera just inches from his face, etc. I remember thinking, "Geez, how on earth was he able to concentrate on acting with all that "non-scene" stuff around him. And I'm sure there was probably a wind machine somewhere around to blow the white floaty things around a la "wraith world". When I see something like that, I'm always amazed that the actors can do their jobs. Does anyone have that in her collection of pics? I would appreciate it. :)

Re the special edition, I can hardly wait for the "hobbit" commentary. It sounds like a hoot. It's going to take me days to get through all of the SE. Maybe weeks. Maybe until TTT comes out. :D Nice to have everything scheduled. Forget Christmas shopping, forget Thanksgiving dinner, I'm gonna be doing "FOTR: SE" non-stop until December 18. ;)

Originally posted by Maeglian
Deluby - thank you!
I think I'm almost incoherent and I can't write a long post, because it will sound like I'm babbling....


Second Maeglian's thanks to Deluby and ainon and everyone else who has been posting while I'm just sitting here taking it all in. :p Especially those who posted piccies.

I have a suspicion I'm not going to be coherent again until, oh, February, at least. ;) I'm not following links and so avoiding spoilers in that sense, but just what's been posted to the thread is making me quite dizzy. :)

Hurrah for Vita's avatar. :cool:

I am totally for this bed and breakfast thing. I'll volunteer to be one of the cooks, but only if we're talking more of a bed and brunch idea - I'm not committing to early mornings, nope. But if you want, you know, muffins or sweet rolls around 10:00 a.m. or so, I'm your girl. Maybe some picadillo, a little quiche, breakfast burritos... not sure how I'd fit all that into a LOTR theme, but give me some time. It's all in the names, y'know. ;)

Glad to see your computer switch went well, Bunnie.

I was watching the vanishing and reappearing back when we were doing the Weathertop stuff, and initially I had the theory that the person vanishes from the ring out, and reappears the same way (since that's what seemed to be happening with Frodo on Weathertop), which I thought was interesting. But my gut feeling had always been that the various disappearing scenes were handled differently, so I went back to check on Bilbo's disappearance at the party, and that isn't the way he goes at all. I can't remember right now quite how it works with him, but it didn't have the same radiating out effect that the first one I checked did. More from top to bottom I think? Hadn't mentioned it since I never did get around to checking the other examples.

What were your thoughts on the subject, tg? The Boromir clips you posted to the Pictures thread have a dissolve effect that is quite different from the ones I was looking at - I should go double check but my husband is going to trout me if he gets back from the store and I'm still awake, but IIRC both the Weathertop and the Bilbo examples it was more of a clean wipe - there was some fading but there was a clear "edge" of fading sweeping across the body, while in the Boromir example it seems more of a general fading all at once.

And I'm pretty sure one of them was more of a radiating out from the Ring, while tg's grabs have the hands disappearing last, which would be the reverse of what I'm remembering. It's late, though, so maybe I'm misremembering, but I'm pretty sure that's how it went.

Oh, well, hubby can only kill me once - yep, that's how it went on Weathertop - Frodo's hand disappears first. And in Bree, as well, as Frodo catches the ring his arm disappears first and his face later. While Bilbo's disappearance at the party is a more general all-over fade, on par with Frodo's disappearance at Amon Hen. But Bilbo reappears from his hands, out. Interesting. It may be the background has more of an influence on the effect than I realize - tg's captures from the Boromir scene made me think of the Star Trek transporter fade effect, I think because the background is so mottled and it shows through as Frodo fades, so I may be fooled by the background on what parts vanish and reappear first - but I don't think so. :D

Yoicks, hubby's home. Gotta go!

Hugs to your kitty, Goldie. :)

Sheryl

This Boromir-evading/ring-fading discussion almost sent me to the book to see how Tolkien describes the disappearing act in this scene - until I realised whoa nelly!! that scene's not in the book!! It's a shock to realise I no longer have the two clearly separated in my mind. The purist in me doesn't like this, but the non-purist in me says, "the heck with you, purist, this scene works fine anyway!"

Can I ask a favor - can someone post a description of Sean Astin's film "Long and the short of it", or direct me to a non-bagendinn source for it? It would be much appreciated.

A LOTR-themed bed-and-breakfast? Hmmm, has possibilities... if you have themed bedrooms you could market it as a honeymoon hotel:p (Perfectly respectable, of course! - like the Madonna Inn in San Luis Obispo - check out the descriptions of their rooms, it's a riot - www.madonnainn.com - G-rated site by the way, in case you're wondering!)

Well, Frodo does use the Ring to get away from Boromir in the book--he just does it before Boromir gets his hands on him. I think it's a bit odd that, in the movie, Boromir has hold of Frodo but Frodo escapes by disappearing, which is just visual--and I can't even figure it out from the frame-by-frame shots. Maybe Boromir was just so shocked he lost his grip and Frodo was able to slip out of his hold? Boromir's never seen it happen--in the book he says something about having heard about such things in tales. IIRC, it's his report of Frodo's disappearing that throws most of the others into a panic. But that's kind of merging book and movie again, isn't it :rolleyes: ?

I haven't looked at the other disappearing scenes--Sheryl's way ahead on that. I caught the one on Amon Hen simply because I was going through that entire scene very carefully, trying to catch EW in a full blink--not thinking about the disappearing until I saw it happen "right before my eyes." I thought about comparing it to the others but have never gotten around to it. So is that basically another editing question--why it's done differently in different scenes? Even though it goes by so quickly, does how it's done somehow affect how we see it? I did like the way the background of fallen leaves works with the method in the Amon Hen scene. Since the various disappearances are important, I wonder if the process(es) will be talked about in one of the commentaries. It'll be fun if the commentaries (or other features) explain any of the things we've been speculating about all these months, and we can learn how close we got to the truth--or not :) .

Louise--The pics with the "floaty white things" might have been from one of the specials on the original DVD--I can never keep straight in my mind what was in the Fox special and what was in the Sci-Fi Channel special.

Welcome back to Maeg's and Vita's avatars :cool: !

Sheryl--just put mushrooms in everything! Mushroom quiche, mushroom breakfast burritos (although the names might have to be changed to "pie" and... hmmm, don't quite know what you'd call burritos in the Shire). Don't think I'd want to try mushroom muffins, though :p . One necessity would be a supply of those huge Gala apples from New Zealand. I still mentally call them "Pippin apples" when I see them in the store, and I'm sure that must be what Frodo's stuffing into his pack when getting ready to leave the Shire--they're the right size to make "normal" hands look small enough to belong to hobbits. When the season changes and we start getting U.S.-grown Galas in the store, they're nowhere near the size of the ones from New Zealand!

Wild Goose--I checked out a few rooms at the Madonna Inn that sounded like they could be Middle-earth related. My favorite is the "Tall and Short" room, evidently made for the honeymoon couple when that long-ago Took got together with an Elf. :D (But FGS, the color scheme looks like a Barbie dream house :eek: !)

Hey Sheryl. There you are! :k What is this 'quiche' stuff? There are Western delis selling quiche here, but since I can't even pronounce it, I've never been able to ask what it is. :o :D

tg - I'll have you know that because of your screencaps I was unable to scroll down to the other posts on this page. I simply could not not gaze at him. <wistful sigh> And I was wondering when that post-Moria Frodo would turn up as your avatar. :)

Alexan, thanks for further 'Ash Wednesday' info. tg's screencaps are interfering with my ability to think coherently, so I hope you won't mind if I think up more questions later. :p

Btw, Bunnie - have you watched the blushing scene frame-by-frame? ;)

All this 'making-of' and editing talk reminds me of a behind-the-scenes pic we were trying to figure out, back at old Imly. Did we ever solve the mystery of where this bit belongs?

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/ainon/LoTR/lesnie1218pyro.jpg


And I hope that one of the four commentaries will settle the issue of how they managed to do this:

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/ainon/LoTR/moriaBoromirFrodo.jpg

As for Frodo and Boromir at Amon Hen - I think Frodo's disappearance spooked Boromir so bad that he was literally taken aback ;) and that was the moment Frodo kicked him. What I wonder is: Frodo wasn't squirming that much - why was it so hard for Boromir to grab him then?


And, if you go back to IGN, there are screencaps of the menu here (http://dvd.ign.com/articles/375/375102p1.html). Even the menus are the most beautiful things I could ever hope to see. :cool:

Originally posted by ainon
And I was wondering when that post-Moria Frodo would turn up as your avatar. :)
Yes, I had to get my contender for Top Acting Moment of All Time up there sometime--luckily, probably because it's set in normal daylight, it "miniaturized" pretty well.

All this 'making-of' and editing talk reminds me of a behind-the-scenes pic we were trying to figure out, back at old Imly. Did we ever solve the mystery of where this bit belongs?

...And I hope that one of the four commentaries will settle the issue of how they managed to do this:
I don't think we ever figured out the first one--we were trying to think of a scene where he'd be wearing his coat but not a cloak and there was fire involved--and closeup shots. The only thing that comes to mind now is in Aragorn's room at the Prancing Pony when the other hobbits have gone to sleep, but Frodo's sitting up still wearing his coat. But are there any closeups in that scene that wouldn't need to show the other hobbits behind him? This time, I notice more the reflection panels off to the left--didn't pay too much attention to them first time around, but I'm afraid that still doesn't help me. Anyone else?

It's been "hypothesized" that the second one is EW's scale double wearing a mask. I'm not sure--but I don't think the expression actually changes. More research needed?

And, if you go back to IGN, there are screencaps of the menu here (http://dvd.ign.com/articles/375/375102p1.html). Even the menus are the most beautiful things I could ever hope to see. :cool:
Another nifty thing is that just by looking at these screencaps of the menu, you can see which scenes are marked as extended or new--if you want to get even more excited about what's coming :p -- well, I did, anyway. There's something about actually seeing "The Passing of the Elves" written out on an actual menu that makes it begin to feel real. Later Edit: Less than a half-hour ago, I was able to use ainon's link and enlarge the thumbnails of the menu. Now a screen comes up saying I have to be a subscriber in order to do that. (I was going back to check if I'd remembered the name of the "chapter" about the Elves correctly, so it might not be quite right.)

Originally posted by tgshaw
...Now a screen comes up saying I have to be a subscriber in order to do that. thshaw--just type "http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/lotrext_menu_01.jpg" in your address bar, that'll take you directly to the image. And change the number before .jpg to 02 to see the next one, etc etc. ;)


edit:
Louise--are these the pics you were talking about? I think tgshaw posted a similar one a couple pages back. It's from Sci-fi channel's special, the part about ringwraith.

EA game website has a little "the making of" video (http://www.ea.com/downloads/eagames/official/lotr/trailer_2_hi.mov) and the second half(starts at 3:12min mark) shows Sir Ian and EW doing voice in the recording studio. EW is yelling "help aragorn, aragorn, help!", sounds pretty desperate.(no wonder he says "poor, helpless frodo" in the interview i posted last time :rolleyes: :p)

here's some screencap
http://www.imagemagician.com/images/deluby/temp04.jpg http://www.imagemagician.com/images/deluby/temp05.jpg http://www.imagemagician.com/images/deluby/temp06.jpg



edit2:
Since I'm playing with animation, I made one with the above video footage. I skipped a few frames, so it might look a bit weird. :p :D :D

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/deluby/eweagame.gif

---edit---
above images deleted due to storage shortage

About the "behind the scenes" picture, I have been thinking it might possibly be for the "blushing" close-ups in the Prancing Pony. But I checked and I can't see any flickering fire light there. However the clothes and the extreme close-up would be right.
Of course, it could well be from some scene from the Pony that never made it into the actual film.

And the Moria scene where Boromir carries Frodo away, could that possibly have been done through somehow editing in EW's face over the scale double's in post-production? I don't know enough about this to say whether it's possible. Although I must say in general I know very much more about all aspects of film making and -marketing than I knew one year ago.

Maeglian said: Although I must say in general I know very much more about all aspects of film making and -marketing than I knew one year ago.

What Maeglian said! :)

And deluby: the images of EW doing voiceovers are amazing, too. I'm impressed by how much physical acting he does to get the voice right!
Cute animation, too! Thanks.

re: the picture ainon posted, I have absolutely no idea which scene it could be from, but judging from the sneakers Frodo is wearing, the camera could only have been shooting the face. :D

I did another one with frodo's disappearance at Amon Hen. :p

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/deluby/amonhen.gif

ohhh, this is fun! :p :D

or maybe I just had too much coffee :rolleyes: :p

--edit---
again, picture deleted, sigh.
PM me if you want to see it again.

Originally posted by ainon
Btw, Bunnie - have you watched the blushing scene frame-by-frame? ;)
Ack! No! But you can be sure that I will do it, now!


And I hope that one of the four commentaries will settle the issue of how they managed to do this:

Part of me doesn't want to know how they did it! Although I suspect that it was Elijah's scale double with EW's face inserted digitally. (And yes, that is very possible. I saw a "Making of Jurassic Park" where they did that very thing, inserting the actress's face over that of the stunt double.) It is the most amazing, thoroughly affecting shot... I sort of want to keep the magic intact!
And now as I write this, I can see that a whole bunch of very cool posts have come in, so I'm going to shut up and go look at those because I can't stand to wait...

Edit: Deluby, those animations are so very cool! The disappearing one is very interesting. his hands almost become more solid-looking right before he disappears! And if you watch closely, you can see Boromir let him go in surprise just as he begins to disappear. At least, that's what I see! :cool:

Originally posted by BunnieBugs
Although I suspect that it was Elijah's scale double with EW's face inserted digitally.

WARNING - IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE MYSTERY SURROUNDING THIS EFFECT, SKIP THIS POST.


Yes, there was a story running about very early on (like January) that that was how they did that. As per usual, I did not document my sources :rolleyes: - so take that with a grain of salt.

One thing I did find kind of interesting was that when you see a close up of Frodo and Boromir, the proportions of each face are fairly similar...
http://web.kcnet.org/arielshouse/FroBoro000.jpg
though carefully not easily compared in this shot, look at the size of the mouths - they aren't that dissimilar -

However when they show the long shot...
http://web.kcnet.org/arielshouse/FroBoro001.jpg

Frodo's head is noticibly smaller. Plus the fact that the shot is from so far away, and fairly dark hides any join lines you might have seen.

Great .gifs Deluby!!!

Ariel

Deluby - very cool animation. Sometime I'll have to play around to see if I can do that...

TTT EA game came in today, and since I reserved a copy, I was able to pick it up about an hour ago. I'll let you know if I find any really cool voice moments in it!!! There are 'exclusive interviews' with the actors too! I WAS going to get some work done tonight, but...research is research. SOMEONE has to do it...:D :D

Someone...anyone...please...tell me: what is this "blushing sequence?!?!?"

Someone...anyone...please...tell me: what is this "blushing sequence?!?!?"
They are talking about the scene in the Prancing Pony where Frodo is fondling the Ring under the table. See page 7 (link below) of the Faculty for prior discussion. :)

http://www.khazaddum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1310&perpage=30&pagenumber=7

elda,
The blushing sequence is when Frodo's holding the Ring in the Prancing Pony, zoning out until he overhears Pippin giving him away. The debate is over whether this is natural or not (I think - does anyone argue that it's natural?), I think it's makeup myself. tgshaw has also pointed out that he seems pretty rosy-cheeked right after they find the mushrooms; I think there it's considered more natural and a result of exertion.

Ooo, animated EW and Frodo bits. Nice!

ainon,
Quiche is basically an egg custard pie, but savory not sweet. Often it's an egg and cheese pie, at least in America. Traditional Quiche Lorraine has bacon but no cheese - a lot of american recipes for Quiche Lorraine add cheese, usually swiss cheese. But there are seafood quiches and vegetable ones and any number of variations. Good stuff.

Maybe the firelit Frodo scene is from a Pony scene I've heard of where Frodo's talking to Aragorn before the Nazgul arrive and the other hobbits wake up.

originally posted by Narya
I WAS going to get some work done tonight, but...research is research. SOMEONE has to do it...

Good attitude. :D Be sure and report back - my son wants the game, I of course was saying, "Forget it," but if there are good actor interviews on there he may get a surprise for Christmas... On second thought, I think I'd give it to his dad, so that I can crack down on the amount of time son spends on it. ;)

Ariel,
I think you convinced me, even if you can't cite sources. :p I sure can't think of anything else that explains it as well.

Bunnie,
I always thought Boromir just loosened his grip in surprise and that's how Frodo got away, but you're right - it looks like Boromir lets him go and backs off in surprise. Which you might, y'know. In movie-verse, does Boromir know anything about the Ring providing invisibility? I was kind of disappointed to see that PJ's having Isildur disappear when he puts the Ring on - I'd bought into the theory that the Ring makes hobbits invisible because it enhances the wearer's natural strengths - Hobbits seem practically invisible to those who're looking for them anyhow; the Ring enhances this natural stealth but making them literally invisible. But that doesn't hold if it hits humans the same way.

Guess I'll have to retreat to the theory that it only makes non-Maiar (?) invisible...

Hey, Maeglian, my sister introduced us to Rurouni Kenshin, we think it's great stuff - haven't seen the saga your avatar's from, though. We're doing the series where he first meets Kaoru. :cool:

tgshaw,
Not making Mushroom Muffins, nope. :p Somewhere I have recipies for a five-course mother's day breakfast from some teen mag - every dish has black olives in it, including the muffins. Never did make that one...

Sheryl

Originally posted by Ariel

http://web.kcnet.org/arielshouse/FroBoro000.jpg
though carefully not easily compared in this shot, look at the size of the mouths - they aren't that dissimilar -


Ahhh yes. Thank you, Ariel, for drawing my attention to Boz's lovely mouth. I hadn't yet reach my daily drooling quota and needed something to boost me back in gear.

Oh, right. This is the EW thread. :o

;)

ooh animations, cool, I'd love to learn how to do that some day.

Originally posted by ainon:
Alexan, thanks for further 'Ash Wednesday' info. tg's screencaps are interfering with my ability to think coherently, so I hope you won't mind if I think up more questions later. :p

Your welcome, no I don't mind at all.


Don't mind if I get a little off topic here but, before I started hanging aroud here...or er the Lounge where ever it was I was at TORN (theonering.net) but due to personal probablems I had to leave. Well today I found out from some one who still resides there that one of our own (not from here, a TORN poster/LOTR fan) took her own life Monday morning. I feel a fair amount of emotions toward it but for some reason 'sad' isn't one of them, I guess the main one would be 'confused'. I would like to say rest in peace to/for her...but...I don't know...it dosen't feel right to say it. Like I know better. Well I hope her loved ones are gonna get through it.
Sorry for bringing you guys down..if I did, I just needed to get it off my chest.

I don't really have any thing to add right now and i'm just too tired so I should be going. –Alexan

((((Alexan))))

I just thought I'd check back with my initial TTT game report. The graphics are great, and it switches back and forth between scenes from the movie and the game play scenes fairly well. (But Gimli's mouth looks really odd...not that anyone here will care what Gimli's mouth looks like...:D ;) )

Of course, the main goal is to be a valiant warrior, and thus save the world - it is, after all, a video game. So since you can only BE Aragorn, Legolas, or Gimli in it, Frodo's role is as a vulnerable hobbit dependent on their support and superior fighting skills. I looked back to try to find who suggested that EW's comment about "poor, helpless Frodo" showed his lack of understanding since he hadn't read the book, but I couldn't find it. My initial thought on that was that he seemed to have 'got' Frodo pretty good in the movie - he seemed to understand the character fairly well!!! But now that I've played the game, it is VERY clear this is a reference to game Frodo, NOT movie Frodo, and certainly not book Frodo.

At Weathertop, when Frodo is stabbed, he cries "Help me!" Then he lays there as his strength slowly ebbs (any of you who have played video games will know how the 'health' meter declines - Frodo's declines pretty darn fast. If you don't finish warding off the Ringwraith's, Frodo's dead and then, really ,what's the point??? :D ;) )

But I LOVE him in the fight in Moria. Poor, helpless Frodo indeed!!! It's not EW's fault the game makers wrote poor, helpless dialogue for him! A sample - "Help, they're everywhere!", "How can we stop them?", "We cannot fight them!!" (to which Aragorn replies "Steel yourself!!") I'm pretty much expecting game Frodo to need a lot of help along the way, and thus to cry out in pain and fear and anguish at regular intervals, wanting and needing to be rescued!!

One bright moment - as the orcs bash against the barred door in Moria, feisty game Frodo lifts his sword with a determined look on his face. (As soon as the orc's break in, he turns into poor, helpless Frodo again.)

So no worry. EW isn't really that out of it in terms of Frodo's character - he's just been made a typical game character, and it WAS the game character EW was talking about. (This is truly what I expected - I did not EXPECT the game to be a literary masterpiece. I expected to be able to whale mightily on orcs, kill bad guys, see a little of what TTT was going to offer, and have some fun hearing the characters be 'in character' for very different types of characters.)

Only downside so far - don't have a clue how to access the 'exclusive' interviews. Neither does my son. They don't come up on the PS2, on my CD Rom, or my DVD drive...

Alexan - so sorry to hear about your news. What a tragic thing to do. And I don't mean to be flippant when I say this, but, it makes me sad to think that she'll never get to see TTT or ROTK, the LotR fan that she was. I feel sorry for those she left behind.

Narya: Does the game end at the end of FotR or does it go all the way through to the end of RotK? I presume it's the former, though I'm wondering what the "ultimiate challenge" is, ie how do you win the game - is it just to kill Lurtz? I presume it's not to get to Mount Doom since you can't play as Frodo and there's no point in Aragorn or the rest to turn east in the game and head there.

Deluby: Great animation! I'm still figuring out how to do screen-caps so I can't even imagine how you'd go about doing animation.

Congrats to Blossom for your screencaps btw. I know that was a long time ago now, but I haven't been posting much (just lurking a lot).

On a different topic: I had a sort of acquaintance staying with me over the weekend. Well, I didn't know him at all before then, but he was a friend of my brothers'. One morning we had all slept late, but when I went into the living room, I saw that he had put on my War video. I was asking him what he thought of it later, and he said that he'd seen it before, and really liked the kid in it. Not surprisingly, I didn't argue. It turned out he was quite a big fan - fell in love with him in The Good Son. It's actually the first time I met somebody in RL who was a fan too. Kinda cool!

EE - the game actually starts at the beginning of FotR - with the Prologue - and the battle with Sauron - then it jumps to the council, then to Weathertop onwards. But the game is TTT - it continues through to the end of TTT. I will have to get a lot better at fighting orcs before I make it far enough to get to the end of the game - and there's no guarantee it will end where the movie does, anyway (although it will probably be close.) But since the graphics are interspersed with actual movie footage, I'm hoping to get some glimpses of footage from TTT as I go through it!!

{{{Alexan}}} Sorry to hear about that. Although I had that same thought that Eyrie did. :(

deluby ... you're incredible! :k These 'gifs are lots of fun for us too. ;)

Narya, thank you for reporting initial observations from your research. Morbid forensic geek question: so how many ways can Frodo die, and how angsty are those death scenes? And does deadFrodo just lie there in a spreading pool of blood kind of thing? (anyone who's surprised that questions like these would be my priority clearly is unaware of how sick I am :p )

Sheryl:
The debate is over whether this is natural or not (I think - does anyone argue that it's natural?), I think it's makeup myself. tgshaw has also pointed out that he seems pretty rosy-cheeked right after they find the mushrooms; I think there it's considered more natural and a result of exertion.

Any make-up people included in the commentaries? If it's a post-production effect maybe it will be addressed - I think it might be a post-production addition. The thing is: you can see the blush spread over his cheeks; it's not just a case of his cheeks being rosy like in the other scenes where he's beautifully rosy-cheeked ... Ahem. :o

I'm not sure what I think of quiche now that I know it contains eggs *and* cheese. Although - if it's like pie, why wasn't it just called pie? ;)

Ariel:
One thing I did find kind of interesting was that when you see a close up of Frodo and Boromir, the proportions of each face are fairly similar...

That's because it really was Sean Bean grabbing and holding on to Elijah Wood during that scene. Well, okay, that's obvious :p ... what I mean is that they didn't use the Big Guy scale double here, possibly because the camera never moves away from Frodo. The only glimpses of Boromir that we see are when Frodo is struggling to escape his grasp; then Frodo goes still and we see only Frodo's shocked face, and his hand clutching Boromir's arm, and then we get glimpses of Boromir's face again while he drags Frodo out of frame. I guess the filmmakers' trick here is to expect the audience to behave predictably: the audience automatically 'size' Frodo and Boromir in their proper proportions because that is what the audience *expects*, despite the fact that both Sean Bean and Elijah Wood are human-sized (or hobbit-sized, if you prefer :D )

One of the GQ pics of EW and IM together is quite a good comparison for the Gandalf-Frodo scene from the Extended Version:

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/ainon/LoTR/SE-GandalfFrodo.jpg http://www.bagendinn.com/images/392160r.jpg

So does EW's face look 'resized' in the EV pic? I think it is ...

Originally posted by ainon
I guess the filmmakers' trick here is to expect the audience to behave predictably: the audience automatically 'size' Frodo and Boromir in their proper proportions because that is what the audience *expects*...
Yep--this is why, once in a while, at least, I try to just watch the movie without analyzing things. Good as the effects are, they're not all going to stand up to being scrutinized as much as we tend to do! Sometimes I enjoy just letting the magic take over and seeing things the way the filmmakers *expect* the audience to :) .

Originally posted by shilohmm
In movie-verse, does Boromir know anything about the Ring providing invisibility? I was kind of disappointed to see that PJ's having Isildur disappear when he puts the Ring on - I'd bought into the theory that the Ring makes hobbits invisible because it enhances the wearer's natural strengths - Hobbits seem practically invisible to those who're looking for them anyhow; the Ring enhances this natural stealth but making them literally invisible. But that doesn't hold if it hits humans the same way.
There's no reason for movie-Boromir to know about the invisibility factor, unless someone mentioned it to him offscreen.

Isildur's invisibility is absolutely book-canon--a lot of people were disappointed that this wasn't shown in the theater cut, because it leaves the point about the Ring "betraying Isildur to his death" unexplained. But it sounds like we should get "the rest of the story" in the extended version. BTW, I keep meaning to look for the name of the actor who plays Isildur in the credits but always forget. Does anyone know anything about him? IMHO, just from his one scene with Elrond at the Cracks of Doom he's up there with Craig Parker/Haldir in making the most of a small role. I'm looking forward to seeing him do a bit more acting, at least.

Somewhere I have recipies for a five-course mother's day breakfast from some teen mag - every dish has black olives in it, including the muffins. Never did make that one...
Good decision, methinks ;) .

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Gaaa.... I don't think I want to see that video game, much less play it--it would drive me nuts to see Frodo characterized that way. Wouldn't bother me if the "victim" wasn't a character I knew and respected. Seems like this would be a perfect chance for a different kind of video game, where you could make points by being other than a mighty warrior--it'll be interesting to see how they handle it if they do make a game out of the journey to Mount Doom.

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(((Alexan))) -- Please don't completely write off the hope of your acquaintance "resting in peace." My belief, at least, is that there is infinite room for mental and emotional healing on the other side, and I hope she receives that. If your beliefs don't allow you to hope for that, I'll try to hope for both of us (I know that doesn't make rational sense, but in a situation like this there isn't much that's rational.) And to those who are afraid of trivializing it by thinking of how she won't get to see TTT or RotK--IMHO that's not trivial at all. Often the knowledge of some special event in the future can keep someone hanging on through a suicidal crisis. I've used the thought of some of the scenes I hope to see in RotK to my own advantage a number of times when the going's gotten hard.

Does anyone know anything about him? IMHO, just from his one scene with Elrond at the Cracks of Doom he's up there with Craig Parker/Haldir in making the most of a small role. I'm looking forward to seeing him do a bit more acting, at least.

According to imdb, his name is Harry Sinclair. There isn't much information about him, however his credits include a "Special Thanks" in Heavenly Creatures, so I presume he's long-known to Peter Jackson. I actually came across this information a few months ago and thought it was really interesting. He's got to have the shortest lines to learn from the whole movie - just one word: "No!". Unless the SE:DVD shows a bit more conversation out of him :)

Originally posted by Eagles' Eyrie
He's got to have the shortest lines to learn from the whole movie - just one word: "No!".
Ah, but what a "No"! This was one of the things I put in the "Little Things I Liked" thread way back at Imladris. I love how you can see the Ring take over. When Elrond first tells him to destroy it, he looks down at it with uncertainty, even some fear. The next moment, when he raises his face and says, "No"--you can see and hear that it's the Ring making the decision, not him. Sends chills down my spine. (Even better that the "No" is whispered.) Gives me all kinds of speculations about Frodo in that same position in RotK.

Thanks for the info on the actor, EE.

Hi everyone,

A big Hi to Squires aswell! I hope you like it here! :)

{{{{Alexan}}}} what tragic news :( That is just awful


I finally read all the posts, or at least I skimmed over them quickly whilst trying to take in what people had written! I don't have anything to add at the moment but I just want to say thanks to everyone for their info/musings/screencaps and other stuff! And Deluby those animations are so cool!

I was over at AlwaysandForever and found these funny pics of EW when he saw some band called The Flaming Lips- he looks a bit tanked up in them to say the least!:p

http://always.ejwsites.net/images/flaminglips01.jpg

http://always.ejwsites.net/images/flaminglips02.jpg

http://always.ejwsites.net/images/flaminglips03.jpg

http://always.ejwsites.net/images/flaminglips04.jpg


Anyway, hugs to you all,

Speak later,

Luth x

Wow, a question I could actually answer! If EE hadn't already answered it, that is. :rolleyes:

Harry Sinclair is a sometime actor but primarily a director. Like you, tg, I am just mad about his portrayal of Isildur. He's my fave SSOG from FotR. :D I about lept out of my chair when I read he has more scene(s) in the SE DVD. Oh golly!

Alexan, I read about that. Oddly, Tuesday was the first time in weeks that I had looked at the TORn message boards. I didn't know her at all, but as one who has struggled with depression all my life it made me particularly sad. :(

I don't think it's trivial to mention the movies either. Heck, FotR shook me out of last year's depression, and the next two movies are what I'm most looking forward to in life right now. They're very important to a lot of people. And whatever keeps a person hopeful is not trivial at all.

((((Alexan)))) I'm truly sorrry.


Deluby,- thanks for those animated .gifs - they are fun!

And thanks for the link to the EA game promo. I watched it through. At the end EJW is saying how he looks forward to the game, - because it's "wicked".
In a way I agree with him, although I put another meaning into "wicked" just here than he does. I think it's quite sad if the game reduces one of my favourite literary characters to a victim screaming continually for help and requiring support and rescue all the time. Couldn't they have made a game where Frodo was also one of the heroes and it was the ring, or ME, (or some poor helpless elf ;) ) requiring resque?

I won't deny that it probably is a very fun game, though. Thanks so much to Narya for the diligent research and information. :) :D
I have a question: If the game lasts through TTT, and the player can only be Aragorn, Gimli or Legolas, then who is being rescued in the latter part of the play? Are they fighting Helm's Deep then? Because Frodo isn't there anymore, is he? (or does the game deviate from the story in the book?)


From Sheryl
Hey, Maeglian, my sister introduced us to Rurouni Kenshin, we think it's great stuff - haven't seen the saga your avatar's from, though. Yes, I know the avatar is from Raouni Kenshiwu (that was the way the name was spelled on the site where I found it). But I don't know the first thing about anime, and I even lost the link after my old computer crashed. I chose the avatar purely for the mean grumpy elf look. :rolleyes: If the character turns out to be someone I really shouldn't have as my avatar, please do tell me!! :D
Actually, I *should* change to a Frodo avatar..... but the 2 I really want are both being used by others. I do like the Hamletian hobbit very very much though, too, so perhaps, once TG changes away from it......


About effects in the films:

Yes, I remember that scene in Jurassic Park. It was one of the children, dangling from a trapdoor in the ceiling and looking up; - they edited in the face of the actor over the face of the stuntperson in post production.

And about the blushing: There's a commercial running on TV here at present; a young man who goes into a shop again and again buying something stupid, because he's in love with the girl behind the counter. As she hands him the change and tells him: Have a nice day! he blushes furiously. It looks natural, but there's no doubt it's an effect edited in after filming. Nobody can command such extremely heavy and immediate blushing at will. So the Prancing Pony blushing may have been done the same way.


ainon; - thank you again for those 2 comparison pics of Gandalf/Frodo and Sir Ian/EJW. It's the opposite of froshadowing; - what do we call it? After-shadowing doesn't sound right, anyhow.

And quiche is good! :)


EE; - cool about meeting another EJW fan. I don't know any in RL, but I do know a couple of guys who are very much into LotR. We're doing the countdown to the SE DVD and to the ticket sale start for TTT. However, they are more appreciative of Liv Tyler :eek: than of EJW.


Luthiea, - thanks for those pics. Not entirely flattering, those, especially the one with the *eyes*! Well, it's good that he's just an average looking guy sometimes.

What? The new Mod graced our thread with her presence, and no one even said "Hi"? Tsk. :p

Hi, Hallah.



:D

Okay, and I'll confess I really appreciate what PJ and Sean Bean brought to Boromir, too.

(((((Alexan))))))
That's hard. Like Elevensies, I suffer from depression a lot myself - the irony there is that most depressed people suicide on the way out of a depression (since in the depths of depression suicide seems like too much effort I suspect). And I agree with tgshaw that you shouldn't "lose hope" over the person's ultimate fate - suicide can have so many causes, there's no reason to just assume they've turned their back on God or whatever. Perhaps the person attained peace - won't hurt anything to assume so. :)

I'll join Elevensies and tgshaw in admiring Harry Sinclair's performance as Isildur. I think he does an excellent job, especially the scene at the Cracks tg referred to. Elrond looks right nice there, too....

I keep thinking the name Harry Sinclair is familiar - didn't Doctor Who have a companion of that name? ;)

Isildur's invisibility is book canon? Pooh, that's no fun. So did the Ring betray him by making him visible at the wrong time? I thought I remembered it deserted him, didn't remember that aspect.

Narya,
Thanks for the game review. Let us know if you ever access the interviews. :p If they wimp out Frodo that badly I'll probably give it a pass, though. That'd get to me real fast I'm thinkin' - even if I *don't* miss his stand at the Ford's in the movie. :D

Maeglian,
Rurouni Kenshin is a great choice for an avatar. He's a former assassin/warrior seeking peace, who rejects power over others. He makes me think of a cross between Frodo and Sam, for some reason, especially the way he's translated in the subtitled version - very Samish phrasing. With his fighting skills, maybe he's a cross between Frodo, Sam, and Aragorn. :D

And angst to the max. There are some of the early eps on the 'net that hubby has grabbed, but you have to search for it with the spelling I've used.

Luthiea,
I just love that first EW pic for some reason. Major goofy. :)

ainon,
We call it quiche because we stole it from the French, of course! Not that anyone from France would probably recognize the stuff we make here...

Sheryl

Hallah - hi!!!
I'm sorry if we were so eager to get on with the Elijah talk that we forgot to properly welcome you at first. :o



Avatar stuff - so quite off topic
Sheryl, thanks for the info on Rurouni Kenshin. I did a quick search and discovered that Kenshin may actually be quite fitting in an avatar re-appearing hereabouts. Much about him could easily refer equally to another fictional character who we care about *very* much. On one of the pages one fan explains why she likes Kenshin: "Okay, now why would I obsess over Kenshin? ....The eyes, the hair, the scar, the tragic past, his smile, (snip) I mean, look at his EYES...and the intensity... "

Kenshin's nickname is the swirly-eyed samurai. Swirly-eyed?? I really *like* that, provided that it means he has "swoon-inducing" eyes or "stormy" eyes or "mesmerizing" eyes, rather than swimming eyes. :rolleyes: Yup, I'll stick by the Kenshin avatar for now. It seems to manage hinting at both Frodo, Elijah and Maeglin. :cool: Not that I had any clue about it before now.

Originally posted by Maeglian
ainon; - thank you again for those 2 comparison pics of Gandalf/Frodo and Sir Ian/EJW. It's the opposite of froshadowing; - what do we call it? After-shadowing doesn't sound right, anyhow.
I love that shot! Love it to bits. And I think Elwood is just on his knees for that one (assuming that they're not actually in motion, that is). The faces look in proportion to real life, to me.

Oh -- and how about "Doshadowing?" :p

EE; - cool about meeting another EJW fan. I don't know any in RL, but I do know a couple of guys who are very much into LotR. We're doing the countdown to the SE DVD and to the ticket sale start for TTT. However, they are more appreciative of Liv Tyler :eek: than of EJW. [/B]
I'm afraid my husband falls into the Liv Tyler appreciation category, as well. Not that he necessarily approves of her expanded role (he is a fan of the book, after all), but he finds her very attractive, and I can't blame him for that. He cannot fathom my attraction to EJW, however, and has no idea how obsessed I actually am... :rolleyes: And I don't think he'd appreciate having it explained to him either! :eek: So I try to just admire quietly and discreetly...

We actually watched The Movie together last night, and had fun using "instant replay" to go back and watch certain things, or turning on the subtitles to catch lines that we had trouble understanding. We even watched Bilbo's transformation to Evil Bilbo in slow-mo. Yikes! It's almost creepier that way than in real time! :cool:

And... Hi, Hallah!:D

Originally posted by shilohmm
I keep thinking the name Harry Sinclair is familiar - didn't Doctor Who have a companion of that name? ;)
There was a Harry who bummed around with the Tom Baker Doctor (maybe started with Pertwee?) IIRC he was a Navy doctor who worked with UNIT. But I can't for the life of me remember his last name (I just remember how funny Baker sounded when he said "Harry" :p .)

Isildur's invisibility is book canon? Pooh, that's no fun. So did the Ring betray him by making him visible at the wrong time?
Yep ;) -- Maybe you don't want to know more than that if you're avoided SE spoilers (or, probably, you can figure it out from what's shown in the theatrical version).

Luthiea,
I just love that first EW pic for some reason. Major goofy. :)
And he goes from that to pretty "normal" in the fourth one, so if he was tanked he sobered up pretty quickly. IMHO, he was just being silly (but if the question ever comes up as to just how wide he can open his eyes... :eek: !).

Well, guess Maeg's avatar problem is solved :) . I haven't looked at anime for years, but he does sound like a great character. BTW, I try to avoid using pics that someone has as their avatar--but if Luthiea doesn't get her old "Shadow of the Past" one back up pretty soon, I'm going to be sorely tempted :p (just kidding ;) , but I do like it). So if anyone wants to use any of the pics I've used, FGS go ahead--it's not like there aren't plenty to choose from! I am at the point, though, where I'm thinking of repeating a few favorites among the new ones--some of them are hard to take down :( .

Speaking of being sorely tempted--we drew names at the office today for our "Secret Santas" of the year. You leave little gifts for the person whose name you pick--the idea being to be "sneaky" enough so they don't figure out who their "Secret Santa" is before Christmas. Can you believe I picked the name of the one other Tolkien fan in the department :eek: :rolleyes: ? But, see, that's not necessarily good--if I give her anything Tolkien-related, she'll know it's from me, and that's a no-no. If anyone else had picked her name, I could have fed them ideas. It's terribly, terribly tempting to not care and just give her Tolkien gifts, anyway, but that's kind of "throwing the game" for everyone else. (Of course, I could pretend that I'm someone else and that I gave suggestions--hmmm... that could get... interesting :confused: .). I'll have to think about this a bit--any suggestions welcomed :) .

--And Hello, Hallah--See, I have the excuse that I'm so used to seeing you in The Green Dragon that it didn't occur to me that this was your first visit here :D (actually true, as pitiful as that sounds :rolleyes: ).

Originally posted by Maeglian
Hallah - hi!!!
I'm sorry if we were so eager to get on with the Elijah talk that we forgot to properly welcome you at first. :o


LOL. It's no problem. :) :k

I just popped in here anyway because I couldn't resist the challenge made to me by Sheryl in another thread. ;) :D

tgshaw - I know exactly what you mean. No worries. :D

{{{{{FACULTY}}}}}

I'm so glad the faculty like the gif I made. :) Thank you! :k
I think I'll make some more maybe from the scenes that we discussed here, if I can remember them all :p . Of course if anyone want to do slow motion research on certain scenes ;), just let me know. :D

Not much news to report today. :o but here's a wallpaper from Cadbury website:
800*600 (http://www.cadbury.com.au/lotr/media/Two_Towers_02_small.jpg) 1020*768 (http://www.cadbury.com.au/lotr/media/Two_Towers_02_big.jpg)
I chopped the Frodo and Sam part here:
http://www.imagemagician.com/images/deluby/frodosam45b.jpg


Also, WB will air an one hour special on TTT on December 4th at 8:00 pm. Please check your local listings. [From TORN (http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1035414039) ] Mark the calendar!!!:D

Deluby! thanks, as usual for the screencap. I'm holding my breath for Dec. 18.

Welcome to Hallah! and thanks for being our Mod.

((((Alexan))))

Just had to post this again (thanks, ainon). Can anyone figure out what Sir Ian is doing there?


http://www.bagendinn.com/images/392160r.jpg

Shilomm: We call it quiche because we stole it from the French, of course!
We didn't steal it. We traded it for a "Royale with Cheese". :D (from the only part of "Pulp Fiction" that didn't make me nauseous).

I think Sir Ian is saying something like "If I still had my pointy hat, I wouldn't have to worry about the wind mussing my do!" Or words to that effect. Right after that, Elijah responded, "Well, I solved that problem by wearing the same style currently in fashion with all young male movie stars--roll out of bed, shower, towel dry. If hair is not sticking up, run a shag rug rake through it." ;)

No, really. I read it somewhere. They're bring lemon yellow/lime green shag carpeting back to go with all the '70's fashions that are back in vogue.

Originally posted by shilohmm
Elrond looks right nice there, too....

I swear, I have never swooned for an elf… but Elrond looks enough like a Romulan in those shots that I could seriously swoon for him! Oh, yeah, Harry was pretty hot too…
http://web.kcnet.org/arielshouse/thetroublewithHarry000.jpg

http://web.kcnet.org/arielshouse/HotElrond000.jpg

Originally posted by shilohmm
Isildur's invisibility is book canon?

Well, Silmarillion canon... "Isildur himself escaped by means of the Ring, for when he wore it he was invisible to all eyes; but the Orcs hunted him by scent and slot, until he came to the River and plunged in. There the Ring betrayed him and avenged its maker, for it slipped from his finger as he swam, and it was lost in the water. Then the Orcs saw him as he laboured in the stream, and shot him with many arrows, and that was his end."

Sorry,... if I am being too anal, you can hit me....

:D


Luthiea - those PICTURES! LOL! If anyone ever doubted that boy was just out of his teens, they need only look at those shots... what a nut!!! ;)


And (((((Alexan)))))). Hate to say it, but the fact that your friend was a Tolkien fan who will miss the next movies also crossed my mind. I am sorry.

Ariel

Hello everyone, remember me?

Having resolved some of the RL distractions that have kept me away for almost a fortnight, I’ve spent about 6 hours over the last 2 days catching up, and now my brain is a soup of:

…Micro-expressions; ring temptations; size and cut of jackets; angst anticipation; :); Ash Wednesday reviews; Flowers for Algernon; so Georgette Heyer novels really aren’t as bad as I remember them?; Well done Blossom on the screencaps (and such great caps!); more angst anticipation; extended edition FOTR; angst, angst and more angst!; alternate roles YES to Hamlet; :); other movies; the challenge of height; (Sylvester Stallone is short too, I saw him once from a distance, when I was in Venice [of all places] but that’s another story); have we room for more angst here?; Chocolate! I’m getting some of that (I hope that’s also an Oz promotion); treasure-troves – my thanks too; ainon, I hope you’re feeling better; :); blinking-techniques; the media’s ability to twist and fabricate; congratulations on the new job Lutheia; congratulations on your archery results Alexan; :D; *sigh*, what to watch first on the SE DVD; how’s the new computer BunnieBugs?; ‘For none now live that remember it’…that line gives me goosebumps too Ariel (so glad they changed narrator there); Hi to Prim and Viola, I hope things are going OK; Faculty retirement home/B&B in 2004? Count me in!; the different ways to disappear; the art of film-making; {{{{{Alexan}}}} (very sad news); only 18 days to go to the SE DVD and 55 to TTT…

This is random selection of my random thoughts. And now I’m exhausted :D. It’s going to be a bit of a struggle, but I hope to keep pace with you from now on!

Wow, estella, what a great entrance, and a great summary of this thread... (to think we were ever accused of straying off topic.. ha!)


They're bring lemon yellow/lime green shag carpeting back to go with all the '70's fashions that are back in vogue.

Do not write such words lightly. Through the cruel machinations of fate, I was onced forced to live in a house with actual lime-green shag carpeting throughout the entire house!!.
The memory of it haunts me still...

Hi Hallah- and oops, I too see you as a regular since I've been sauntering in and out of the Green Dragon. So forgot the greeting. Here it is now! GREETINGS!
Man, you have one totally gorgeous avatar. Totally.

This is where Prim finally admits that the only character in FoTR that she would seriously contemplate running away with is Boromir as played by Bean boy. Does this mean I'm evicted from the Faculty??? .....OK. I admire EW and swoon for Boromir and KR. There. I admit it. In small print. :p :D

estella - its so good to have you back. Guess we'll have to tell Ainon to call off the tracker dogs now (she's been puzzling over you).

tg - go ahead and play mind games . Buy her (him?) a LoTR gift but sow the seeds of confusion. Deceit can be fun!!:eek: :D

Isildur is so cute. But...I am struggling with the name Harry. Harry. Harry. Harry .Harry......maybe if I keep saying it to myself it will seem less giggle worthy :p

Who did the EW animation ? Deluby? Its cool!! EW really gets into the part even when all he has to do is the voice. Look at how his whole body moves! (ok, perhaps don't; no swoons you know....)
Wow our recently delurked-ers are so talented (good work Blossom) that I feel no need at all now to try anything challenging myself. With tg , Ariel and all the others (umm Lutheia, I am still wondering about that first pic you posted; those eyes you know, they look like they might actually pop out :eek: ) I think this thread has got the tech stuff pretty well covered.

off topic: what is anime?

edit: Wild Goose: shag carpet. Lime green. Words cannot express... so sorry for you...:D

((((Estella Rose))))) :)
It's so good to see you back here. We've been wondering where you were. Great summary, and yes, the countdown has certainly begun!

Ariel, thanks for posting those pics of Isildur and Elrond. That's such a great scene..... and every time I see it I increase my eager anticipation concerning what the NEXT scene happening at that location will be like. (Just 14 months to go.... :rolleyes: )

Originally posted by Wild Goose

Do not write such words lightly. Through the cruel machinations of fate, I was onced forced to live in a house with actual lime-green shag carpeting throughout the entire house!!.
The memory of it haunts me still...

That made me LOL, WildGoose. Uck, the very thought!

Haven't been here for almost a week! I had just got the screencaps sorted and our little dog was poorly again. After being diagnosed with a tonsilitis-type infection, she suddenly got very jaundiced. Her skin turned yellow, her tummy, inside her ears, in her mouth. We've spent all week going back and forth to the vet getting blood tests, ultra-sound scans and lots of aintibiotic injections and tablets. They were worried for a while it might be something sinister, but the current theory is that she had a severe liver infection. Anyway, she has picked up a lot, and the yellowing has faded, so fingers crossed. She is now enjoying being pampered!

How is your cat, Goldenberry? Poor thing. I bet you're spoiling him/her, and don't they just love it?

The vet bills have seriously affected our finances, and means I may have to wait - yes, wait - for the extended DVD! That's more than a girl can stand, what with all the goodies being posted here - all that temptation! We'll have to wait and see what next week costs - more blood tests to come, poor little mite. If I can't get it on 12th November, I can always come here for some mouth-watering tasters!

It has taken me hours to catch up, and I see you have all been busy posting great pics and opinions, as always. Thanks all.

HI LUTHIEA - YOU'RE BACK! Hope you had a good holiday. SO - LUTHIEA FINALLY HAS BUMBLEBEE!!!:) :) :) Your VCR obviously played it OK, and you enjoyed it. Does that mean you simply liked it or absolutely loved it? Come on, get posting - we want much more detail than that - what are your favourite scenes, your thoughts on EW's portrayal of Barney, etc. Glad the job's going well, btw.

Welcome back estella rose. It's nice to see your name here again. Eldalieva - I recognize your name, but I don't recall seeing you here before, perhaps I'm wrong, but hello anyway.
Hallah. I'm sure you're very welcome to drop by on us EW fans anytime. I must confess I like Sean Bean. I have known him as an actor far longer than I have known EW (see what an instant impression our boy made) and I think he did a terrific job as Boromir. His death scene at Amon Hen is one of the most moving in the film.

I'm going to have to scroll back through the pages, I think, to gaze a little longer at all the brilliant screencaps you have all been posting. (I am not worthy! - where IS that little smiley?)

deluby, you have surpassed yourself with that animation. LOVE the disappearing Fro at Amon Hen. it is just BRILLIANT.:k

I enjoyed the Boromir/Frodo size-scale discussions. I have always wondered about that scene after Gandalf's fall in Moria. It really looks like it's EW there - didn't I read somewhere that they found it virtually impossible to 'reproduce' (I forget the technical term -:o ) his face? There were several scenes during the Moria sequence where I thought the size-scaling effect really worked well - shots where the company were walking through the tunnels, or when they entered the huge hall. (I'll take a look at the DVD, and try and get some caps) Also I was struck by how small Frodo looks at Amon Hen during the confronation with Boromir, though it's obviously emphasized by camera angles - shooting Boromir from below, and Frodo from above - even at the beginnning of that scene, when we see Fro alone by the fallen statue's head - he just looks so small there to me.

Enough of my rambling. I'm off to 'pesuade' our dog to take her tablet - should be fun!

See you all soon. :)

LOOK AT THIS!!!
http://nsyncwebguide.com/legolas/tttflag-frodo.jpg

Also Gandalf (http://nsyncwebguide.com/legolas/tttflag-gandalf.jpg) Aragorn (http://nsyncwebguide.com/legolas/tttflag-aragorn.jpg) Legolas (http://nsyncwebguide.com/legolas/tttflag-legolas.jpg) Theoden (http://nsyncwebguide.com/legolas/tttflag-theoden.jpg) Eowyn (http://nsyncwebguide.com/legolas/tttflag-eowyn.jpg) Eomer (http://nsyncwebguide.com/legolas/tttflag-eomer.jpg) Arwen (http://nsyncwebguide.com/legolas/tttflag-arwen.jpg)
All of them are absolutely BEAUTIFUL!!! They are banners that will be hung on the cinema ceilings in Taiwan. (pictures from orlandomultimedia)

Maeglin: I was thinking about you last night. I read on Ceefax (teletext) that there's a place in Norway that are building a hobbit village for people to use while they're queuing up for TTT tickets. Is this anywhere near you? It sounds pretty cool - they have taverns and everything.

Hello to Hallah. Sorry for not greeting you before, and I don't even have the excuse of seeing you around elsewhere!

Welcome back Estella. Great to see you here again (cool summary of the last 13 pages).

Estella Rose! welcome back to the Lounge! What a wonderful summary of the recent chat! Very :cool:

deluby, I am speechless at the site of sword-wielding TTT Frodo. And not only because of the picture: I adore the script in which they wrote Frodo's name on that banner.

Happy recuperation to Blossom's pooch!

Maeglian: I'm with you in trying to imagine Fro at the same spot where Isildur and Elrond have their confrontation (and "the strength of men fails"). I am not sure I will be able to wait until December 2003 to actually *see* it.

For US Faculty members: Forever Young is on TBS this Saturday morning; warm up the VCR's. And our namesake film is scheduled to be on USA network on Halloween. ;)

Originally posted by Ariel
I swear, I have never swooned for an elf… but Elrond looks enough like a Romulan in those shots that I could seriously swoon for him!
LOL--I knew he reminded me of something there, but couldn't put my finger on it. That's it--a Romulan! (And since Elrond's only half-elven, you're probably swooning over his "Man" half ;) .)

Well, Silmarillion canon... "Isildur himself escaped by means of the Ring, for when he wore it he was invisible to all eyes; but the Orcs hunted him by scent and slot, until he came to the River and plunged in. There the Ring betrayed him and avenged its maker, for it slipped from his finger as he swam, and it was lost in the water. Then the Orcs saw him as he laboured in the stream, and shot him with many arrows, and that was his end."
Whew! This one had me seriously doubting my sanity and/or my memory (not that either of those would be new doubts :p ). I first read LotR a number of years before the Sil was published, and I was sure I'd known how Isildur died before then. So I looked through the LotR appendices... Nope. The Council of Elrond... Nope. Frodo's conversation with Faramir... Nope (although I did find the quote about orc arrows that I'd remembered). By this time I'm doubting anything I thought I remembered from, lo, those many years ago. But Frodo calling the Ring "Isildur's Bane" in conversation with Faramir made me think, "Where could Frodo have learned what happened to Isildur?" And I can call off the guys with the white coats! It's while Gandalf is telling Frodo the history of the Ring in "The Shadow of the Past":
'But the Ring was lost. It fell into the Great River, Anduin, and vanished. For Isildur was marching north along the east banks of the River, and near the Gladden Fields he was waylaid by Orcs of the Mountains, and almost all his folk were slain. He leaped into the waters, but the Ring slipped from his finger as he swam, and then the Orcs saw him and killed him with arrows.'
Very possibly one of those things JRRT found a place for in LotR because he didn't know if the Sil would ever be published.

Whew :D !

deluby--Great poster! As someone who does a bit of desktop publishing, can I swoon over a font :p ??

Blossom--hugs for your little dog--hope she continues to get better.

ES--Yes, thanks for the summary--and each item completely on topic!

estella rose! You're back! :k :k I hope RL won't steal you away again! :) {{{estella}}}

Blossom, oh your poor dog. Hope it'll get better soon (what's his/her name?), and does it look like Frasier's dog? And poor you! At risk of being deprived of the DVD :eek:

Luthiea - how's the first week at work been?

elda - so have you now seen the blushing scene? ;)


Maeglian: And quiche is good! :)

But how does one pronounce it?! :o



Hi Hallah! Sorry I missed you last night. I've trouted myself for that. :p Well, one of my favourite shots from the movie, from a cinematography POV, has always been this:

http://www.classicxf.com/images/FOTR/moria/retouched/025bmountain.jpg

That sky, the white snow, and Boromir being tempted, and the wonderful way he delivers those lines, while he's looking at the Ring and only the Ring. And then of course we get Frodo looking at Boromir like this:

http://www.classicxf.com/images/FOTR/moria/retouched/033mountain.jpg

Perfect. This is another one of those scenes that I just keep going through frame-by-frame. These caps are from Penny's classixf site.

I have to say that Sean Bean actually made me appreciate and care for Boromir - whereas I never bothered with Boromir at all in the book. And it's a brilliant tribute to Sean B that when his death scene came, the audience saw it as a truly tragic moment, rather than reacting to it in typical 'Hah! I knew that man was gonna die ... the minute he ruffled that little kid's hair up on that mountain I knew he had death stamped right on his forehead ... ' fashion. :)


And back on topic ... oh, deluby! That poster is beautiful! <gazes at it for a full ten minutes, then realises that's too expensive a thing to do while on-line> And thanks for cropping the Cadbury pic. :k

Wanna see Frodo & Sting up close? Really up close? Take a look here (http://www.fantasyplanet.cz/gfx/pictures_clanky/lotr_gal_velky_20021024115244562.jpg).

Just a note of caution. This pic is at the Fantasy Planet site. There's adult material at that site, for the lack of a better word (I don't think I'm allowed to say what I really wanna say about that stuff. :mad: ) I would advise everyone to stay out of the site's gallery. I got this direct link from the New Pics thread at CoE.

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Prim, anime is Japanese animation. Japanese animated movies are some of the most brilliantly made stories *and* art that you could hope to see (and surpasses anything Hollywood could ever hope to produce in the near future). Only in anime would you get a traditionally animated scene where you can practically see every raindrop striking the surface of the water in a padi field, while a gentle breeze whispers past the young padi shoots, and see the rustle of a little girl's skirt as she runs home to escape the rain, and see the thread patterns on the shoes she's wearing. Anime is also known for extreme angst which can interestingly enough be balanced by sheer absurdity. And uh ... anime has nudity. Just mentioning that so no one will make the mistake of thinking that anime is kids' stuff (although of course there are simple anime for children - the translated ones are shown on TV here and good God do they grate the nerves). :p

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Btw, the most angst-laden, majorly-depressing movie I have ever seen is an anime: Grave of the Fireflies. I recommend it, and yet at the same time I have to warn you: it is absolutely, utterly depressing.


Moving on to more hopeful things ... I got this from TORN. There's an interview with the LoTR screenwriters in the Nov/Dec issue of 'Script', and this was one of the things of interest:

The interviewer asks about the dialogue between Frodo and Sam about "tales". Walsh and Boyens are adamant about how much they love that passage, but don't tell us if it'll be in the film.


And then what Elevensies said:
... And whatever keeps a person hopeful is not trivial at all.

When you put it that way, yeah, okay. :)

{{{{Faculty}}}}

But how does one pronounce it?!

In my best phonetic alphabet mode, it would be pronounced "keesh" (at last that's the way it's pronounced over here, it might have some variants elsewhere).

Anybody else finding KD extremely slow today?

Originally posted by Cadmo

Isildur is so cute. But...I am struggling with the name Harry. Harry. Harry. Harry .Harry......maybe if I keep saying it to myself it will seem less giggle worthy :p


See, there's a little trick to it, Cad. Just stare for a long stretch of time at that pic Ariel posted (a.k.a The One Sneer to Rule Them All pic) while repeating his name, and you'll find that in a short time the name becomes quite acceptable. :D

ainon - great Boromir pic. Thanks for posting it. :)

Hallah steals the Boromir pic and takes off running with it back to the Brigade thread.

;)

Whew, gabby Faculty! Between the number of posts and the (almost;) ) swoony pics, I thought I was in the Harem for a moment.:p

Blossom, I hope your doggie continues to improve. There certainly has been a rash of veterinary emergencies among KD'ers pets lately! Sammie is recovering well. We have taken to feeding her breakfast in bed (:rolleyes: *cringe*) in order to get her to eat. Her face looks a wee bit lopsided since all three teeth were removed from the same side, but she's still adorable.:)

Vita: I, too, wonder just WHAT Sir Ian is, erm, gesticulating about in that photo.:o :confused: :eek: :D

deluby: That. Poster. Is. Gorgeous. No, I'm NOT swooning. Really.;)

Oops, work calls. 'Bye for now.

Originally posted by Maeglian
Kenshin's nickname is the swirly-eyed samurai. Swirly-eyed?? I really *like* that, provided that it means he has "swoon-inducing" eyes or "stormy" eyes or "mesmerizing" eyes, rather than swimming eyes.

Hmmm. Do I want to share my suspicion that he's the "swirly-eyed samurai" because of how he's drawn after Miss Kaoru clobbers him or knocks him on his kiester with surprise or whatnot (which happens on a regular basis)? Probably not...

Bunnie - Doshadowing? Ouch! :p Not that I can think of anything I like better...

tgshaw,
Well, I broke down and looked it up, and the Doctor Who Harry was Harry Sullivan. I did discover, however, that author Sinclair Lewis' birth name was Harry Sinclair Lewis, which I thought rather interesting but probably never knew before.

deluby,
Thanks for the pic and the info. We don't get broadcast or cable TV, but if I ask enough people to tape it for me maybe we'll get a copy. :p

Ariel,
Aha! You are precisely right - he looks like a Romulan there, especially with the reddish background. :cool: I could never figure out why that shot so resonated. Too anal? Is it possible to be too anal in the Faculty? :D

estella,
Hurrah! I figured that since you'd posted to HH you'd find your way here eventually. I love your synopsis of the thread. The only thing I don't remember is the "size and cut of jackets" - oh, wait, unless it's that EW's clothes tend to be oversized, I think we did discuss that. I dress the same way myself, so can't give him any grief on that...

And I have to admit that there are a couple of Heyer romances that, had I read them first, would not have convinced me to give her a second try. Shhhhh! Just a few, so we'll pretend I didn't say that.

Wild Goose,
Gee, I kind of like lime green, as long as it's good and clear. My son's favorite color. I'm even tolerant of chartreuse, and fond of khaki. Avocado, that I could live with out. And shag carpet of any kind.

My parents were once stuck with an apartment entirely done in fifties pink and green, that's the real reason I'm not sympathetic. ;)

Blossom,
A severe liver infection is not sinister? :confused: I'm glad your dog is doing better, but no Extended DVD? Ouch! I hear some places you can get insurance for your pet - I think I'm going to go for it.

deluby,
Nice posters. (What, no Faramir? :mad: )

I like ainon's point about Boromir's death. I was always astonished at how absolutely silent the theatre would be then - such an impact, and it wouldn't be there if people didn't see the scene as tragic. And it wouldn't be tragic except that the viewers admire Boromir, even though he just betrayed Frodo. Awesome scene. I had to warn eldest son about it ahead of time or he would have been destroyed (Boromir was his favorite character.) He bawled anyhow. I haven't seen Sean Bean in anything else, but he does an incredible job with Boromir. Was it tgshaw who said once that she's never seen a movie with so many actors capable of EW's subtlty? Seems to me most movies have at least one actor who is just "walking through" his part - haven't discovered one with LOTR yet.

Goldie,
Giving a cat breakfast in bed doesn't sound so extreme to me. I'm not going to confess to some of the stuff I've done for my cats. :p

Sheryl

AAAAAHH! Pictures, pictures, pictures!

I'm feeling especially vulnerable to beautiful pictures today. Don't know why. Hormones?:rolleyes:

Ainon, I followed that link to the huge Frodo picture. :eek: Yowzers!

And Deluby, those new posters are fabulous! I sent the Legolas one to a swooning friend of mine, along with the Frodo one. I love "gifting" her with stuff like that. I'm an enabler and a corrupter!:D

I have to say that the snow scene with Boromir is one of my very favorite in the whole movie. Sean Bean's brilliant delivery, and the look on Frodo's face (perfectly captured in that screen cap); it's just powerful, beautiful, and absolutely packed with visual information. I love Aragorn's hand releasing his sword at the end of that scene. And I love that Frodo never says a word. Not sure exactly why -- I guess because his face speaks volumes!

{{{HUGS}}} to everyone's ailing pets. Being the owner of a geriatric Basset Hound who is undoubtedly not long for this world, I feel for you! Hope their recovery is swift.

Oh, and Boromir's death on film is the only place where I actually shed tears. I found it to be an incredibly moving scene. And the fact that Sean B. actually fought to keep the "my brother, my captain, my king" line in just makes me love it all the more.

Edit: I was just kidding about the "Doshadowing." I thought it sounded funny! Totally not serious...

I almost forgot: I watched the "blush" scene in slo-mo last night. I agree that the blush was some sort of effect (almost harder to see in slo-mo than in real time), but I was most taken with the subtle changes in expression that cross his face during that time, the way his eyebrows move and change. Fascinating!

Originally posted by shilohmm

deluby,
Nice posters. (What, no Faramir? :mad: ) My sentiments exactly. :mad: In fact, I'm starting to be seriously worried. Almost no pictures, no banners, no popcorn baggies, not on half the ensemble posters, shafted in one preview, shafted in two trailers, shafted in one a DVD -- what, did they cut down on his part? :eek:

Speaking of Faramir, we Faramites have noticed something: most of the pictures of Faramir seem to capture him in the act of opening his mouth , or turning his head, or some other motion, and honestly, those shots are really unattractive. Meanwhile, some of the Frolijah screencaps are from a moving Frolijah, and they're still gorgeous. Does Elijah have some way of freezing those microexpressions for several microseconds each as the film is rolling? I would say that it was the style of directing for his character -- Frodo does seem to get a lot of "stand still and react" instructions -- but even in the DVD features Elijah makes good screencaps (Goldie's avatar, and the Roisin Carty Flirt, for example), so I'm still puzzled. I know we've gotton MUCH less Faramir than Frolijah, but nobody can even come up with ONE good screencap of Darling Dave.

Originally posted by erendis
Meanwhile, some of the Frolijah screencaps are from a moving Frolijah, and they're still gorgeous. Does Elijah have some way of freezing those microexpressions for several microseconds each as the film is rolling? I would say that it was the style of directing for his character -- Frodo does seem to get a lot of "stand still and react" instructions -- but even in the DVD features Elijah makes good screencaps (Goldie's avatar, and the Roisin Carty Flirt, for example), so I'm still puzzled.

See, now what I've noticed that's weird, is that Frolijah is much lovelier when he's NOT posing for a still photo. Somehow, the camera seems able to capture something of him in MOTION (or freeze-framed motion, like a screencap) that it cannot capture when he's standing in a pose. Except for the black and white. That's in a class by itself.

Ainon, I spent a half an hour last night on the blushing bit. I see the blush but I do not see it increase in the frame-by-frame. Then again my TV is not the greatest (oh, lord, am I about to drop $800 on a hi-def TV just to watch Frodo blush? Probably.) But I did notice that he has what appears to be a teeny-tiny chicken-pox scar on his forehead IN THE EXACT SAME SPOT WHERE I HAVE A TEENY-TINY CHICKEN POX SCAR!! Whoo! That's Kismet!

Now, see, I have always thought that Lij's unposed pictures were more attractive than the posed ones, with a few notable exceptions. He's beautiful in motion on the screen, but something self-conscious takes over when he's being his geeky self. Posed pictures in character don't seem to have this problem. Why screencaps of him are almost always beautiful, I can't say. He's just amazing that way!

Now, as for Faramir: don't trout me, please, but perhaps he's just not photogenic in stills? Perhaps the film needs to be in motion to capture his good looks? I've only ever seen David Wenham in one other thing, and it wasn't anything to judge his looks by (Moulin Rouge!), but I suspect he will look just fine on film. And there will be a much greater opportunity for stills after TTT comes out, so maybe that problem will be alleviated.

As far as shrinking his part goes, I had actually heard months ago that his and Eowyn's roles were being expanded, though perhaps in ROTK rather than TTT. The romantic aspect, and all. That doesn't excuse them for neglecting to make a poster of him, however. That's just inexcusable.

Thanks for the anime info Ainon. Is Pokemon and Digimon considered anime or is this different again. (My boys love these shows).

And the fact that Sean B. actually fought to keep the "my brother, my captain, my king" line in just makes me love it all the more.

What? Really? I know this is waaaayyy off topic but a short explanation please???
I just love Bean's Boromir's Last Stand. Cry every time. He is just not going to stop trying. And poor old Pippin and Meryy have to witness it. Just as well hobbits are so resilient (as decided recently in the Green Dragon hobbit thread).

erendis- I have noticed how well EW captures too, whereas the others often look a little odd caught in mid action.
I am very fond of Wenham, form his tv days (Sea Change???Can't remember the name but such a lovely series where he played Diver Dan) but he really isn't classically beautiful. When I first saw him and realised he was going to be a major part I thought "who? Him? Why??" but he grew on me and by the end oif the series I was very very bummed that he left.
On the other hand EW is genuinely "beautiful", in character and out, with very clean defined facial lines and this makes him (with the odd exception, thinking of Lutheia's recent offering LOL) very photogenic.

Harry, Harry, Harry..... still trying Hallah's tip out with The One Sneer pic :D Harry, Harry, Harry... well my brain is getting numb so I guess it must be working:p :D

Deluby, everybody: What wonderful, wonderful, wonderful new pics in those banners! They are just so beautiful, I don’t have the right words. (I would have appreciated having a swooning smiley available for this).

Look at Eowyn, isn’t she just a vision of the LotR Eowyn that I *never* thought I’d actually get to see? Aren’t each and every one of them true representations of the LotR characters stepping out of the pages of the book?

And Frodo looks so …… good. He looks wary and weary and a little vulnerable, but ready to act and to defend himself. And just when I was thinking that with the shirt so far unbuttoned, the mitril should really be showing, I noticed that it *does*. It does! The mithril shirt is there! For some reason that just made the picture perfect for me. That wonderful attention to all details is almost beyond belief.


But oh, do I agree with what everyone has said about the lack of Faramir. He should have been there, if necessary instead of Eomer. It does seem that all the TTT promotional material has focused mainly on the royal family of Rohan when it comes to "new" characters; - so one can surmise that RotK will likely have equal focus on Faramir and Denethor and their uneasy relationship. Still, I’m getting *very* worried over the lack of all things Faramir. I really feel for the poor Faramites!

from Bunnie:
I've only ever seen David Wenham in one other thing, and it wasn't anything to judge his looks by (Moulin Rouge!), but I suspect he will look just fine on film. Your suspicions are absolutely correct. I have seen David Wenham in one other film; - “Better than sex”. That's a film I would warmly recommend ( I don’t know its rating in the US, though, but it’s *minimum* an “R”). But suffice it to say, he both looks great and acts good. He’ll be a wonderful Faramir when we eventually get to see him in the role. I have been contemplating reporting in as an official Faramite for some time, the only problem is that time is limited.....


Ainon; – I absolutely think the “tales” are in. Didn’t we decide that was the scene most likely filmed in the famous squash court? Although PJ said it was a scene in the middle of RotK; which worries me.


EE; – the ticket queue and the hobbit village is in Oslo. I don’t live there. But the story of the guys who have already lined up to get tickets has made it into amazingly many sorts of news media. I suspect it has been getting that degree of coverage because it’s a happy, light story to counterbalance all the terrible international news lately. Since it’s been so focused in the media, any number of my friends and colleagues have commented and have been teasing me with it, asking why I’m still around and haven’t rushed off to get in line.
I liked very much what Oslo’s Cinema Director, a fine lady by the name of Ingeborg Moreaus Hanssen had to say about it: “There is enormous interest in Tolkien's universe. People are completely obsessed by it, but it is a healthy madness. “ She is soooo right!


Sheryl, - I like your theory on why Kenshin is swirly-eyed. I already admire the action-oriented Ms. Kaoru. But on the swirly-eyed meaning I’ll still stick to one of the more benign theories, though. Anyway, Kamiya Kaoru’s nickname is “Raccoon girl” – I pictured her with these *huge* eyes with enormous black circles around them. The two of them would make quite an astounding couple, eye-wise. However, it turns out she got the nickname 'cause she is fiery-tempered. Raccoons are fiery-tempered? I learn something new every day.


Blossom, - I do hope your dog gets better. It’s so sad and distressing to see your pet ill and suffering, not understanding why it hurts or why you do things to it that seem to just hurt it, too. My dog can look at me with such enormous pleading eyes when anything is wrong……..

Ahem – what is a Romulan?

Yeah, I don't understand why they haven't released any faramir tidbits either. Although we got 2 faramir pictures from decipher card today and yesterday, they are not that flattering. :( Hopeful they are just trying to keep him as a surprise or something.

Anyway, back to frodo, I worked on more gifs last night, starting from the party scene. When I got to weathertop, the angst was killing me. After watching frodo suffer from the blade in slow motion again and again and doing almost 100 screencaps for that, I literally felt painful. :( It's just too real and slow motion hits you even more. I don't know how PJ and Fran could watch tons of daily like those every night, just think about the CU scene. http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/sniff.gif


OK, lighten up a little bit, here's a gif of Frodo's reaction from the party scene where Bilbo was giving his speech.

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/deluby/farewell.gif


I made another one of frodo turning his head and see the dragon firework, since I'm not sure if it's a bit too swoonworthy to post in faculty ;) , I'll post that in the Harem. But I'll leave a link here http://www.imagemagician.com/images/deluby/party.gif

I plan to post one gif everyday, or at the end of every page, so hopefully it won't slow down the page-loading process too much. I apologize to modem users in advance.

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need more image storage , so above gifs are deleted. PM me if you want to see them.

And the fact that Sean B. actually fought to keep the "my brother, my captain, my king" line in just makes me love it all the more.

What? Really? I know this is waaaayyy off topic but a short explanation please???


Oh, dear, I've put myself on the spot, here. I cannot recall where I read/saw/heard this bit, but someone was speaking about the amount of input that the actors had with the script, and that line came up as one that Bean lobbied for, because they were not going to use it. I don't know if they perhaps thought he could not pull it off, or that it was too cheesy, or something... I wish I could remember where or even when I heard it!

Does anyone else recall this bit of trivia? I love it, and all I can remember is that it was a reliable source.


Ack! I just caught sight of deluby's current animated gif, and must go right-click/save...

Deluby!!! What a gift that animation is! I don't remember the toss of the head and the eyebrow motion from the film! You are going to *force* me to go back to the film and check! :D

Bless you for posting that! You've made my day!

Hello all.
Just popped in to say a big THANKYOU to everyone's concern for our dog. She is MUCH better, and we are hoping Monday's visit to the vet will be her last. Ainon, her name is Holly, and like Frazier's father's dog, she is a Jack Russell Terrier, but she has very short legs, and quite long-wiry-fur - a little scruff, really, but we love her. Thanks again.:k

Goldenberry - it's a cat's life, breakfast in bed! Bless! :)

deluby, I salute you again for your animation talent. I love party Fro. My little contribution will look pathetic after that, but here goes. With all the anticipation of upcoming angst in TTT, I thought I would post these, as I do love to see our boy happy, and what better way to end the day...

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/BIRTHDAYFRO.JPG

Happy Frodo.:)

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/HappyFrolijah.JPG

Happy Frolijah.:)

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/ew10.JPG

Happy Elijah.:)

I'm off to bed. Goodnight ladies.

Hi there! Hope you're all having good weekends.

Oh dear, this is gonna have to be a shortish one again, really need to get to bed!

Estella! Welcome back! :) Wow, you've got a good memory there, remembering all those things that have been discussed over the past two weeks!

Thanks to everyone who's been asking about how my job's going! I've only been there one day so far, as I'm at college 3 days a week but tomorrow I'm on for my 2nd day - working 3.30pm to Midnight! Oh dear, I've never worked that late before, will have to pinch myself to stay awake!

Deluby - I love that Frodo animation!

Blossom - glad your doggies getting better, it's a shame when their ill, they can't say what's wrong with them. My dog is always finding himself at the vets!

Bloss - I did really enjoy Bumblebee, but I suspect another viewing may have to be on the cards before I can make proper analysis! I need to set aside some time to talk about it. And I'll probably not make a very good analysis, I can never take note of little details or dissect things in the way that some of you can, :o but I'll give it a go.






Bumblebee Spoiler


One thing that made me lol - (maybe I shouldn't have :rolleyes: ) the bit where the Barney and the little boy (can't remember his name) are watching Cassie leave, and the little boy is struggling to say something and he goes 'G...g....great ass.... :p Also the kissing scene made me squirm a little....:rolleyes:

tg - I know I reallly have to get my post count up here so's I can get my cute little Frodo avatar over! Checks post count this'll be my seventeenth one, need to get exploring other areas of the forum!

btw - did anyone try for the CoF DVD on eBay? I noticed they've got another one up for grabs now, their there if you know how where to find them!

Bit OT but have you heard the sad news that Richard Harris, who played Dumbledore in the Harry Potter movies has passed away? :( It kind of spooked me a bit, I knew he'd been ill, but I was just reading part of an interview with him on Teletext where he'd apparantly been telling Chris Columbus that he'd better not replace him with another actor. Very sad.

((((Faculty))))

Originally posted by Maeglian
Deluby, everybody: What wonderful, wonderful, wonderful new pics in those banners! They are just so beautiful, I don’t have the right words.

Yes, but what's so tragic is to see how regal and splendid everyone else looks, while poor little Frodo is already so worn and dirty and battered! :( Sniff!

If you just stare at Frodo's mouth in Deluby's Party animation, it looks like he's puckering up for a kiss. Which may be an observation more suitable to the Harem. :)

It IS very sad about Richard Harris. :(

That poster of Frodo looks like it is from the same place where the trailer shows him going after "someone" with his sword. Presumably Osgiliath? He looks a lot calmer, though. But those posters are all very good ones, though. I wonder if we are going to get similar ones in our theaters over here? Surely the ones we've seen so far aren't going to be the only ones? To tell you the truth, I'm not all that crazy about any of the U.S. ones I've seen, although a couple of the Frodo ones are O.K. Did they come out with several "waves" of posters last year?

Elda, I think I know why Frolijah looks better in motion screencaps than in posed shots. All the motion screencaps are from The Movie. In The Movie, in order to make the hobbits look short, PJ would place the camera at Man height, above the hobbits. On top of that, Frolijah tended to look down at the ground a lot (We should stay off the Road/ Amon Hen). Result: lots and lots of Camera Angle #1,* Elijah's best angle. And the rest of the time PJ put the camera slightly below Frolijah's face. Result: fill in the rest of the motions with Camera Angle #2, the next best angle. We all should be bowing down to PJ, or Andrew Lesnie, or somebody, for figuring out which were Frolijah's good angles and sticking to them.

Meanwhile, the promo shots showed Frolijah straight on, his worst angle. :rolleyes: In the Full Frontal party scene, Frolijah is saved by the lighting and THE WIG. In the Black and White, well, I don't know what the heck happened there. It's more than That Particular Wig.

But that's not quite why I was puzzled. It's not an environment or positioning question, it's a movement question. Even if we managed to get Wenham at his best angle (straight on, believe it or not -- it hides his giant schnoz), I still don't think we could find good screencaps of him in motion. BunnieBugs, no trouts for you! :) We know that Dave doesn't screencap well. However the Aussie contingent swears blue in the face that Wenham is devine in motion, and I have faith in them.

I'm starting to think about how people change their facial configuration from one expression to another. New theory which needs testing: Could it be that Elijah moves all his facial muscles simultaneously, while most other people have some sort of facial muscle gradient? For example, if Wenham turns to look up at a bird or something, maybe he moves his eyes first, then the muscles around his nose, then his mouth, then his neck. It would take several frames to accomplish this, so in any single screencap, something is bound to be either distorted or out of focus. We've seen this repeatedly, where Faramir's mouth is okay but his eyes are suspicious, or his eyes are happy but his mouth his hanging open.

But if Elijah can somehow move everything at once, several things happen. First, it would explain the lovely screencaps. Nothing would ever be out of focus or caught in mid-movement. Second, he can emote through several expressions in the same time it would take someone else to do just one. How many times have we said something like "he goes from confusion to fear to resolve so quickly." Third, if he goes through several complete facial positions so fast, they would have to be smaller changes. Several times we observed that Elijah's style of small changes is more suited to the subtlety of film rather than the overexpression needed for stage acting. This subtlety would also explain why the *ahem* unenlightened Moviegoer complained that Frolijah only had one facial expression. Fourth, this would explain the two-frame Elijah-to-Frodo transition when PJ says "cut." Fifth Elijah's quick facial motions would give him plenty of time to fully complete each microexpression before moving on to the next one.

Does anyone know how this theory would apply to dialogue?

Deluby, how many frames are you skipping to create that Full Frontal gif? I suppose we could slow it down and see if each frame contains a complete expression (meaning nothing is distorted), or, if Elijah is not as fast as the camera speed, we could time just how many actual frames it does take for Elijah to complete an expression. We could compare this to the expression times of some other actor. I'm guessing Wenham is at the other end of the spectrum, but there are some real doozy screencaps of Merry and Pippin, as well as the screencap where Legolas is turning to Aragorn, looking stoned in the process, or the promo pic of Boromir blowing his horn.

This sounds like a lot of Faculty work. In fact it reminds me of some of the timescale spectrocopy work that science grad students do. At this point I may just chalk it up and say Damn that boy's talented, and leave it at that.

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*Camera Angle #1 (aka Camera Angel #1) is taken from above and slightly to the side of Elijah. Best examples are the Froster, and Goldenberry's avatar. Camera Angle #2 is taken from below and slightly to the side of Elijah. Best examples are Firelit Fro (the Fellowship book cover photo) and my avatar.

Erendis - VERY interesting theories. I think you are mostly right - I just have a few ideas to add to your excellent analysis!!

Not every frame is perfect - I do have some screencaps that capture moments that are 'out of mood' with the scene, although you would never notice it in motion, they are so fleeting. (They tend to look ‘in the mood’ for something else entirely, which is why I have never posted them….here or in the Harem.) And to no one's surprise, I'm sure, the one's I've caught tend to be in blinking moments. (Some day I'll explain my interest in blinking...but you'll probably all :rolleyes: :rolleyes: at me, so I won't bother now...) But to an amazing degree, frame by frame analysis of him in motion shows exactly what you are describing.

More surprising still, when you compare him to other actors, his face stays CLEARER during motion than any of the others. Watch the flight to Buckleberry Ferry frame by frame some time - count the number of times Frodo's face is perfectly clear even while running or turning , while the others' appear more blurred. I think this is much more than just a camera focus effect.

I think in addition to having the ability to move ALL the muscles of his face simultaneously to a new emotion, Elijah possesses the rare ability to keep the muscles of his face that SHOULD NOT be changing very still. By this, I don't mean that he doesn't HAVE expression on his face - I mean he MAINTAINS the expression on his face. This stops the subtle shifting of one part or another of the face that, as you point out Erendis, leaves us with a perfectly acceptable impression when watched at regular speed, but when paused or done frame by frame shows a 'sloppiness' of expression - thus minimizing the opportunity for beautiful screencaps!

Coupled with this, and just as importantly, it seems to me that he has an ability to, in effect, do small micro-freeze-frames of motionlessness - split seconds of stillness even when in motion that bring him fully into focus. This is particularly evident in the packing scene in Bag End (try watching it in slow motion to see what I mean.) This not only makes for excellent screencap opportunities, but also means that we are able to always SEE what is happening on his face, even when he is moving quickly.

I’ll go with ‘damn that boy’s talented’ if further study of these issues is too much Faculty work.. ;) ;)

Thank you everyone for the comforting words and hugs, I was thinking the same thing about her never being able to see the next two movies (and from what I read of her bio there she was a Faramir fan :(). Well I hope she is ok where ever she is.

Any way

Ahh yes, the TT EA game....some time when I get a better, more up-to-date video game concel like playstation 2 or X-box I will get it. I saw the ad for it on Tv the other day and a few times since that. At first I thought they were starting to show the ads for the actual movie, so I got really excited thinking I was going to see Frodo in the next few seconds...but then I realized what it was and was kinda disappointed, but it still looked cool. Well I guess Frodo is in that game some where...I mean Lij did do some voice work for it so....but any way.

I love those promotional flags for the movie, especially of Frodo and Eowyn, they look great. I want one. :S

Ooh I just had a nice thought, the SE DVD comes out in only 18 days....:) And then the big war over who will do better in DVD sales FOTR, Star Wars:AOTC or Spider-man, I can't wait! lol

(((((everyone)))))

–Alexan

This current discussion brings to mind something PJ said in last year's Premiere magazine:

“Elijah instinctively understands how to act for the screen. And he has awesome craft and technical ability. It’s quite humbling to see so much talent in someone so young.”

This quote really makes sense to me now, thanks to erendis and Narya's theories, and it sure is reassuring that when PJ talked about how darn talented EW is, he wasn't just saying it to be nice. ;) Not that I ever doubted it, mind. :D So what we have here is an actor who simply knows what he needs to do, specifically so that the camera can capture the exact right thing? Well, I can't do screencaps, but I don't mind volunteering to do reseach homework anyway. Just start handing out those assignments! :)

Narya, you're here in the Faculty, where almost every one of us spends :rolleyes: :rolleyes: amount of time (any money! argh!) researching everything and anything related to EW and Frodo ... I'm sure we'll all be right supportive of the inspiration behind blinking research. {{{Narya}}}



Bunnie, yes, I remember that bit of trivia re: Boromir's dying scene. I think I read it at TORN - a transcript of Phillipa Boyens' talk at some convention a few months before FoTR opened. I stupidly didn't save the transcript when I found it then - that would be during the initial weeks after FoTR came out, when I was searching for everything and anything related to LOTR and EW but still trying to deny that I was becoming obsessed. :p I don't think I could possibly find that transcript again.

Although, hey -- shouldn't Hallah know these things? ;)


deluby, I'm one of those sad modem users. I forgive you. :D Beautiful, beautiful gifs! That party one is especially breathstoppingly-forget-everything-all-I-can-do-is-stare-at-him-over-and-over-again worthy. Thank you, thank you, thank you! :k

I do have a small request - along with every gif, could you please also post the hyperlink separately? At least those of us with slow connections can download the gif directly from your page, without having to wait for the browser to very, very slowly load the gif. :)


Prim, yeah, Pokemon and Digimon are anime. And do you get Doraemon there?


Maeg:
And just when I was thinking that with the shirt so far unbuttoned, the mitril should really be showing, I noticed that it *does*.

I'd totally forgotten to check for the mithril! Thanks Maeg, for giving me a reason to gaze at him some more. :k

I just had this thought that Purists would trout me for: I am so happy Shelob isn't happening till RoTK. Because imagine if the movie ends the way the book does. There's supposed to be ambiguity about Frodo's survival, right? Since Elijah Wood stars in all three movies the audience already knows Frodo can't die so that takes out half the fun. ;) But never mind that - what made me happy was thinking that since there're no spoilers to reveal re: Frodo & Shelob, it should be safe to *hope* that the trailers for RoTK would contain sufficient Frodo images!


Have a good weekend, everyone. {{{Alexan}}} and :k :k to Goldie's Sammie and Blossom's Holly. :)



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Well, I managed to find the Philippa Boyens transcript! But I remembered wrong - that wasn't where the Boromir story came from. Sorry. :o

Here's Part 1 (http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/997243086) and here's Part 2 (http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/997332611). It's still very interesting to read - especially keeping in mind that at the time none of them knew that LoTR would be so well received. :) My favourite part is when she talked about Parth Galen and Amon Hen, and she said:


But what stands out is the emotional climax which...[sighs]...it's wonderful, an incredible performance by Elijah Wood.

She's an Angst Maven and she shamelessly appreciates Elijah Wood. Think there's any way we could lure her here? ;)


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A Sean Bean pic in the Elijah Wood Faculty?! Why, Ariel! it sure is a nice one too. ahem. ;)

That reminds me - Sheryl, Sean B's often cast as the bad guy in Hollywood movies. Should be pretty easy to track him. Also means he's a pro at dying terrible painful deaths. :p

Haven’t been posting much… haven’t had much to say… and been feeling a bit under the weather and grumpy… so… I guess I will come here and subject you all to my lack of wit!

Estella Rose! Good to see you here finally! I am so glad all of our posters are coming back out of the woodwork (all save one :( ) – and, OK… call me clueless, but did I hear somewhere that Moggy made this a public forum again? Or was I just dreaming? There are a few folks I know of that used to lurk on these threads who would be interested to hear it.

WG- Lime green shag – oh, the horrors! LOL!

Cadmo – I too find the name “Harry” giggleworthy… note the name I gave the file…… HE HE HE

Originally posted by Maeglian
...every time I see it I increase my eager anticipation concerning what the NEXT scene happening at that location will be like. (Just 14 months to go.... :rolleyes: )

And recall, SOME lucky souls have already seen this scene… that the film exists and was shown at Caan… is enough to drive me quite over the edge! You, me and PW (Vita – one day I will get these names straight!) will have to make a raid on Weta and pilfer those reels… HE HE HE

Oh, Blossom! Poor baby! I hope the infection clears up soon! What an awful thing to happen to your little one!

Deluby – do you do ANYTHING but find cool pictures for us to drool over? LOL! Japanese promotional materials have always been different (and to my mind better) than the old American ones… just NOT fair. I remember during my SW years, looking at the Japanese promo pieces and thinking, ‘where do they get this stuff’? It nearly always uses pictures that you don’t see anywhere else, and those pictures are usually ‘swoonier’ than what we got. Go figure! I see things haven’t changed, eh?

Originally posted by tgshaw
And I can call off the guys with the white coats! It's while Gandalf is telling Frodo the history of the Ring in "The Shadow of the Past"

Oh, good! I thought it was in the LOTRs but couldn’t find it… I knew where it was in the Sil and so could get that quote easily. Thanks for locating that for me too – I am horrible with sources – (as you folks have probably noticed http://web.kcnet.org/arielshouse/Smileys/embarassed.gif) and it is quite frustrating when I know I have read or heard something but have no way of proving it! I get the same way about that quote game over at the Dragon (and it’s predecessor at the other place) – I know I should know half of those darned things, but it’s like my poor brain isn’t wired for rapid data retrieval! LOL!

Ainon – if you and Cadmo can admit it… I guess so can I… I have been a very enthusiastic Sean Bean fan for years… Ever since I saw him in the “Sharpe’s” series - HUBBA, HUBBA, HUBBA!!!!
http://www.ar.com.au/~jriddler/sharpe/culttv.jpg

This man is probably SINGLEHANDEDLY responsible for my going from disliking Boromir, to crying over his funeral in the books… I already adored Frodo… and readily admit, any good actor portraying him well would have gotten my respect and admiration (though I can’t even imagine who else could have been better than EW). SB’s Boromir looks nothing like my mental image of the character (the hair is the wrong color, for one thing!) but he sold me from the council! I ADORE HIS SPEECH! Oh, my… many of the words are the ones Tolkien wrote (even if Boz was not the one to say some of them, and they weren’t said at the council :rolleyes: ) and you can TELL… those are the words that send chills down my spine – especially when Boz says them. He does the same in LL with that Gondor speech… How DOES the man do it?

OK… this is not a Boz thread… and I’ll shut up now… but I wanted you guys to know you aren’t alone… Hallah is going to have a field day with this :p

BTW – I LOVE anime!

:D

Originally posted by deluby
I plan to post one gif everyday, or at the end of every page, so hopefully it won't slow down the page-loading process too much. I apologize to modem users in advance.

Well, no arguements here... but I would ask one favor... could you post the gifs with a few more images per second? I know it eats up space, but eliminates the jerkyness of the images... They are too nice too rush! :D

Originally posted by ainon
She's(Philippa Boyens) an Angst Maven and she shamelessly appreciates Elijah Wood. Think there's any way we could lure her here? ;)

Oh, that is SOOO readily apparent! She is one of the reasons I have no fear the CU will be EXACTLY as I imagined it... You know - it was when someone published those pieces of the script - those scenes of Fro being healed in Rivendell that never made it that totally convinced me of this! Who else but a true angst maven could possibly write scenes like that to be filmed? And can you IMAGINE the delight she must have felt having an actor as talented as EW to act out the angst laden fantasies she wrote? Ariel has to pause for a moment in order to wipe the drool off her face and seriously considers coming back as Philippa in her next life!

Damned lucky wench.... but at least she shared the results with us... I wonder if we could get her to visit here and bring some of the 'outtakes' with her? You KNOW there are more angsty shots that have never seen the light of day... and what do you want to bet PB has them in her posession?!

Ariel

Originally posted by deluby
Yeah, I don't understand why they haven't released any faramir tidbits either. Although we got 2 faramir pictures from decipher card today and yesterday, they are not that flattering. :( Hopeful they are just trying to keep him as a surprise or something.
Think part of the answer to the Faramir puzzle is that they're going to want every Tolkien virgin in the house to think he's a bad guy when he first shows up? Too many pics--and, probably even more so, too many good-looking pics--in the pre-movie publicity might make his good-guyness too obvious. Just a thought. If that's at least a partial answer, we should be seeing a lot more of him for the RotK publicity!

When I got to weathertop, the angst was killing me. After watching frodo suffer from the blade in slow motion again and again and doing almost 100 screencaps for that, I literally felt painful. :(
Geesh, deluby, now I feel bad :( . I've never mentioned this, because I didn't think there was any practical use for them (but then I never knew someone could do what you've been doing with the animation). I have 84 (yep, I just counted them) frame-by-frame screencaps of Weathertop. Also some isolated screencaps--the 84 are just the frame-by-frame ones. I don't know if they could have saved you some work--although maybe you prefer to make your own, anyway. Besides the famous (only because they've been posted :rolleyes: ) 22 of the sword coming out of Frodo's shoulder, I've also got frame-by-frame on most, if not all, of his struggle with the WiKi over the Ring, from the fear on his face when he realizes the Ring is slipping away, to the tremendous effort of pulling the Ring away from the WiKi. If any of those would be useful, let me know. Some (such as the ones that have been posted) I've turned into jpegs, but most are still sitting in the DVD program as bitmaps.

The animation is a wonderful thing!! When I did post those 22 frame-by-frames, I was sorry that I couldn't show them the way I can watch them on my own computer--as a slide show, which you can make fast enough to make it look like animation. It's incredible to watch that way. So the animation can do what I wished I could do a few months ago. I have to admit I first hit the "quote" button at the bottom of your post not to reply to it but to see if the code you'd posted would show me how you did it :o . No such luck. It just said they're gifs which of course wouldn't necessarily mean they were animated.
I plan to post one gif everyday, or at the end of every page, so hopefully it won't slow down the page-loading process too much. I apologize to modem users in advance.
Speaking as someone with a dial-up connection, it seems to work if I go ahead and read the rest of the page, then go back up and look at the animation (which, when I'm first reading the page, usually looks like one still picture sitting there).

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WARNING: Jargon laden discussion ahead
OR: An example of how to fool people into thinking you know what you're talking about :p

IIRC, the Elijah-in-motion topic came up when we were first discussing microexpressions. A brief introduction for those who missed the now-disappeared Imladris thread: The idea (which is actually the subject of true scientific research--I think Vita found the article on it) is that humans naturally have microexpressions that are either transitions from one emotion to another (we don't suddenly jump from one expression to another), or are very subtle signs of emotion that we don't even pick up consciously but which can sometimes lead to us having "hunches" about a person because we're picking up these subtle expressions subconsciously.

The important part of this entire subject is the theory that since Elwood's acting is so natural--not trained or learned--he uses microexpressions in his acting, which would be very unusual for an actor and which would make his acting more realistic. The deal is, it's supposed to be impossible to consciously control these microexpressions (the big push in the research now is to figure out a way to use them for lie detection). So, an actor couldn't consciously decide to use them--it would have to happen naturally.

When it comes to motion, IIRC the idea is that when someone is using microexpressions, the movement and the way the eye will blend several frames together makes it more "pleasing"--which, in a way, makes sense if microexpressions really are the natural human way of expressing ourselves--while first developing facial expressions, the human race didn't have screencaps or even Brownies (ooo, I'm really aging myself there ;) !), so we should be programmed to read emotions in motion, you might say (was that convoluted enough for everyone :o ?).

OTOH, if the microexpressions/Elwood connection is true, and most "trained" actors don't use them (because they can't be used consciously so have to be natural/subconscious), then most other actors will be jumping straight from one emotion to another without all the tiny little steps humans naturally go through in-between. So (again, assuming the theory is true), Elijah will almost always have some "real" emotion showing on his face in a still, even though it may be an emotion that's in transition between two others. OTOH, actors who go from one emotion to another without those tiny in-between alterations, can easily be caught "between" emotions in a still. When they're transitioning from one emotion to another, there's no natural expression on their faces; this doesn't make much difference in motion, because our eyes blend the frames together, but can be noticeable in a still if the actor's caught at the wrong time. This shouldn't be much of a problem in a posed still, because the actor can consciously hold whatever emotion is wanted.

Now, how Erendis's theory about the effect of Elijah moving all his facial muscles at the same time would fit in with the microexpression theory--or if it stands on its own--is another whole question which will, of course, demand in-depth analysis :p .

BTW, I do believe there's another partial blink in deluby's animation of the dragon firework scene. I'm still trying to catch some actor--any actor--besides Elijah in one of these, but haven't been able to. If anyone else does, please report it here!

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Must run--very busy weekend. In fact, I may need to keep the same avatar for two days :eek: so tried to pick one that people wouldn't get tired of :) . If no one's answered Maeg's What's a Romulan? question by the time I come back, I'll tackle it--but I'm sure there are many here who can answer it; I think it just go lost amid everything else.

I've been looking over the last few of pages of this thread and :D -ing at some of the posts. I thought that this was supposed to be the non-swoony thread! Incidentally, that first picture posted by Luthiea (http://www.khazaddum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=85611#post85611) a couple of pages ago would be classified as a "Holy Heaven" shot over in the Harem thread. Snigger, snigger... ;)

Ariel asks:
OK… call me clueless, but did I hear somewhere that Moggy made this a public forum again? Or was I just dreaming? There are a few folks I know of that used to lurk on these threads who would be interested to hear it. I just tried browsing the forums without signing in first and it worked, so it looks like it is accessible for browsing by unregistered users now.

tgshaw speculates:
Think part of the answer to the Faramir puzzle is that they're going to want every Tolkien virgin in the house to think he's a bad guy when he first shows up? By George, I think she's got it! http://smilies.networkessence.net/otn/wink/thumb.gif

Originally posted by Gladys
would be classified as a "Holy Heaven" shot over in the Harem thread.

Oh no - most Haremites would never dream of extending that particular discussion to Elijah himself (I am one who will definitely NOT go there.) You see, we have this very clear Elijah / Frolijah distinction that makes crossing THAT particular line not something that is done. That's why there are separate Elijah / Frodo swoon threads. (I'm not sure how many Elijah swooners want to go there, either...but I'll let them speak for themselves...)

Tgshaw - you are brilliant! That is probably EXACTLY why we are not getting swoony Faramir. You should post your theory in the Faramir thread - they'd like it, I'm sure, as they have been wondering about this very issue themselves!!

Edit - actually, tg, since you said you'd be away, and they are once AGAIN asking that question in the Faramir thread, I'm taking the liberty of putting your answer there, properly credited of course. You can trout me for it when you get back if you mind me doing it on your behalf!!

I remember when I first saw the pics at the web site that shows FOTR "shot-by-shot", I spent a lot of time just going through Elijah's expressions in certain scenes. In the scene at the end of the film just after Sam says "We may yet, Mr. Frodo. We may" I counted about 6 different expressions on Elijah's face before he turns around to say "Sam, I'm glad you're with me." It was fascinating. (By the way, can anyone point me to that site again? It was a great source of screen caps, but I lost it when my old computer died. Thanks.)

Maeglian: Re: what's a Romulan? That's a Star Trek reference. The Romulans are an offshoot of the Vulcan race, except very warlike. They were "bad guys" in some of the classic ST shows. There was a "neutral zone" between them and the Federation, and Captain Kirk always got in trouble for going into it. I'm sure someone else can give you many more details, if needed. :)

I'm terribly rushed today -- the family's upstairs all drumming their fingers impatiently while Mama's down on the computer getting her fix.:rolleyes:
BTW, I do believe there's another partial blink in deluby's animation of the dragon firework scene. I'm still trying to catch some actor--any actor--besides Elijah in one of these, but haven't been able to. If anyone else does, please report it here! Well, I haven't noticed any other actors doing this, but I will keep my eyes open. (Ha! Pun intended.) Anyway, I just have to mention that when I watched FOTR a couple of nights ago, I observed EW doing the half-blink think in a number of different scenes. I've come to decide that it's just a thing with him, in both acting and in real life. Narya, are you a "blinking expert?" Do you have any information on this kind of habitual half-blinking?

As far as the micro-expressions go, I am unprepared to offer an opinion, except to say that as an un-photogenic person, I can take some pretty lousy pictures. On film, I don't look too bad, but if you were to screencap me, well, an appropriate comment might be, "The horror!" :D I just think that some people's faces, for whatever reason, just lend themselves to stills better than others. And EJW is obviously at the top of that heap!

Ariel, thanks for that shot of Bean as Sharpe. That's a keeper! Now, if I could just get that man's voice in a little box to carry around in my pocket... :p

Originally posted by Gladys
Incidentally, that first picture posted by Luthiea a couple of pages ago would be classified as a "Holy Heaven" shot over in the Harem thread.

Originally posted by Narya Celebrian
Oh no - most Haremites would never dream of extending that particular discussion to Elijah himself ....... You see, we have this very clear Elijah / Frolijah distinction that makes crossing THAT particular line not something that is done.
:p :p :p OK, I'll qualify that by adding that, technically, an equivalent picture of Frolijah would be a "Holy Heaven" shot! Of course, in this matter :o as in all other things, Frolijah is channelled through the medium of Elijah. Credit where credit's due, I say! ;)

Originally posted by Maeglian
Ahem – what is a Romulan?

LOL!!! Sorry Maeglian! You wrote it so tiny at the bottom of the page that I didn't even notice you asked this until I read tg's post!

From http://www.angelfire.com/ak/StarTrekVoyagerLcars/romulans.html

Humanoids from twin worlds of Romulus and Remus. When the Vulcan race adopted logic and rejected violence, those that disagreed with Surak's philosophy boarded several large colonization ships and sought a new world. Arriving at the class M world of Romulus and it's trojan class K twin Remus, the Romulan Star Empire was born. Romulans are very similar to Vulcans and can only be distinguished by a detailed genetic scan. The Romulan wars between Earth and Romulus in the 2150's lead to the formation of the United Federation of Planets. The Romulans emerged from a long absence in 2364 and are a leading threat to the Federation today. The Romulans are the inventors of the Cloaking devices used in the Alpha and Beta quadrants. The Romulans have a bipolar personality, very caring one minute, ruthless the next. The Romulans have had a relationship with the Klingons ranging from military alliance to open warfare and back in just a few years time.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/tos/the-enterprise-incident.jpg
Kirk dressed up as a Romulan

Now that I have shown my true geeky colors and gone WOEFULLY off topic... I'll retreat...

Ariel

Boy, all those micro-expression discussions had me going http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/bigeyes.gif, very interesting, gotta go back and reread. :)

erendis--As for the bilbo speech reaction gif, I think I skipped at least half of the frames. Since the camera cuts back between biblo and frodo, the gif is a combination of 3 sequences. The part where he's smiling, the only recognizable difference between each frame(to me anyway) was the flickering of the candle, so I only left in 3 frames. The gif itself contains 17 frames and each goes 0.25sec.

ainon---No problem, I'll post a link with each gif. :)

Ariel---I'll try to leave in more frames with each gif, but I don't know if that'll help with the jerkyness though. When I view them in my image viewer, they appear to be pretty smooth, but it seems viewing with browser is bit different. :( I don't know how long it'll take modem users to load a 1mb+ image, so I usually try to keep each gif under 800k thus less than 20 frames. Since I tend to extend the display time of each frame and make it more like slow-motion(adjusting display time doesn't affect gif size), that might be the reason of jerkyness. I think I'll work on that.
Sigh, don't you just wish the DVD player has a search function? We could just go "search frodo" and it would play all the frodo parts? How great would that be? :rolleyes: http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/shrug.gif :D

tgshaw---Thank you for offering the screencaps, but I managed to finish the weathertop part last night. It was hard last time because I didn't realise that the DVD player has a frame-by-frame button, :rolleyes: so I was going playing-at-half-speed-pause-play-ack-missed-some-rewind-again.....:p I almost wore out my space bar. :D

I didn't use any special code while posting gifs though, they are animated gifs themselves. :p

---edit---Images below have been deleted due to storage shortage. PM if you want to see them.


Alright today's animated frodo:
1. http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/tongue.gif to all the "frodo is too pansy" people. :D
http://www.imagemagician.com/images/deluby2/03weathertop.gif
http://www.imagemagician.com/images/deluby2/03weathertop.gif

2. Mogul blade going in and out of Frodo:
http://www.imagemagician.com/images/deluby2/04blade.gif

3. Frodo re-appear:
http://www.imagemagician.com/images/deluby2/05blade2.gif

4. Frodo suffering from wound. I love how he holds Sam's hand and Merry tries to comfort him.(sorry we only see merry's hand here)
http://www.imagemagician.com/images/deluby3/06blade3.gif

5. I really like this scene here, it goes very fast in the movie, right before Aragorn's torch-throwing hero shot. I didn't see the blood on Frodo's finger when I saw the movie in theater. (This might belong in Central Hobbit Appreciation thread since it has all 4 hobbits)
http://www.imagemagician.com/images/deluby3/08weathertop2.gif


OK, I think that's enough angst for a day, I'm all http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/tearyeye.gif now. I know I said one gif a day, but I lied, you can http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/trout.gif me. :D
Swoonworthy ones tomorrow, woohoo! *Ahem* cross those out. http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/smile.gif

Deluby, what can I say, you're an artist. I had never noticed that Frodo's eyes roll back in his head when the morgul blade poison first enters his system on Weathertop (he almost appears to swoon). ;) You have taken the really good bits and made little mini-movies of them. Do you need a special (read "expensive") software to do this? Well, keep up the good work. We need distraction until FOTR:SE and TTT arrive. :D

deluby, I worship at your feet! Your animated gif's are mesmerizing. Whom do we serve? Froooodoooo..... Erm. sorry, I was momentarily transported in my mind to the Harem.:o ;) :p

Ariel, you took the chance and showed your geekiness: the very geekiest.:D :D :D

Aaah...Deluby. The best new pix AND animations!

In (4), I have always loved the way Frodo glances down at his shoulder and then gives this tremendous wince, as if just looking at it made it hurt even more.

In (5), I've never noticed that Merry and Pippin look up, but Sam does not take his eyes from Frodo.

Deluby – I want to say what Louise, Goldenberry and Eldalieva said above. I am in awe!
Your gifs have made me discover new things in this scene. With all the times I’ve watched i I wouldn’t have thought that possible. Thank you! :) (And now I’m wondering what I have missed in other scenes….)

I’m entirely looking forward to those swoonworthy gifs. We can pretend to not swoon with the best of them. :cool:


Blossom: Thank you so much for those 3 happy pics. All 3 incarnations of EJW looking relaxed and happy was just what we needed amid the more angsty stuff. :)
Is Holly better?


With all the microexpression, half-blinking, and moving-all-facial-muscles simultaneously discussions, it’s increasingly clear to me that EJW should really offer himself up for some multi-goal-oriented scientific research on these subjects. It could be done together with that equally important human beauty quotient research work. The obvious researchers are right here, of course. Just look at all the solid and interesting groundwork that has been done.
And now that Thumbsucker isn’t happening, shouldn’t EJW have time on his hands *immediately* for such important contributions to research? ;)
From tg:
Most other actors will be jumping straight from one emotion to another without all the tiny little steps humans naturally go through in-between. So (again, assuming the theory is true), Elijah will almost always have some "real" emotion showing on his face in a still, even though it may be an emotion that's in transition between two others.
But how would this theory explain those pics that Luthiea posted of EJW as himself looking totally goofy at that party? He looks just like any normal person being photographed late into a party and not exactly looking his best. Is it when he’s acting and can prepare in advance for being filmed that he has real emotion showing also in transition between others, and therefore looks so unbelievably good in almost all film stills?


From Ariel
This man is probably SINGLEHANDEDLY responsible for my going from disliking Boromir, to crying over his funeral in the books.
What Ariel said! I didn’t like Boromir in the book, and THEN Bakshi came along and ruined him further with the Viking-in-miniskirt routine. Sean Bean is a marvel! And that pic of him as Sharpe (thank you, Ariel!); – if you altered his nose slightly, I’d believe that was David Wenham. It’s almost uncanny. :eek:


From ainon
She's an Angst Maven and she shamelessly appreciates Elijah Wood. Philippa Boyens should possibly be made an honorary combined Faculty and Harem member, methinks. Especially if she brought the Cannes footage of “The Ring is mine!!” scene along. We could act as post-production consultants, we could scrutinize every little detail, by means of slo-mo, stills and gifs, and advise them about any tiny effect or change they till should consider making to get the angst complete.
We’d be able to provide *so* much up front quality assurance that they’ve gotten it absolutely right…. Why haven’t they contacted us yet? :confused: :rolleyes: :D


Thank you very much, Ariel and Louise for the “Romulan” information. I think we’ve actually discovered a small cultural difference. Star Trek never ran on television here until recently, when some channel bought old episodes to show at odd hours of the day, and if there were any movies, they sure cannot have been hyped much, because I’ve never heard of them when they ran.

Hi everyone. I saw this over at elijahfan.com and thought it was hilarious. I don't remember seeing them before. Here's Elijah (around 11 or so) showing some NFL guys what it takes to be a coach. :D I wonder if these were Super Bowl commericals or something. At any rate, I thought Elijah managed a pretty good "character arc", given that he only has a few seconds to work with.

http://www.elijahfan.com/videos/WavyLays_Football.mpg

ROTFLMAO!!!

Oh, Louise! That was one I hadn't seen before! Thank you!

Proves one thing, at least... the boy has had a talent for falling down for a long time! ;)

Ariel

My thought exactly: He managed the fabulous falls extremely well, even back then! That's funny. And *finally* something that ties him to football.... We've been looking for that! :D There's even a cute dog as a bonus.... all the right stuff for a commercial.

It's been so very quiet in here.....
I need to ask one question anyhow that I'm sure everyone knows the answer to but me: Which episode of the Osbornes is the one that EJW appears in? Is it the 2nd one? (I just discovered that one of the channels here is starting up the show next week, quite unexpectedly.)

Maeglian: I think it's the second one, but I'm not sure. IIRC, the show had already been on when the Elijah episode was on. And I believe I read somewhere that Hannah (Elijah's sister) is in a later one too. She's apparently a friend of Ozzie's daughter Kelly. Maybe someone else here is a "fan" of the show and can tell you exactly which shows to watch. I taped the show because someone said Elijah was in it, but other than that (and the cute bulldog Lola who suffers from clueless owners who don't know how to train a dog to go outside, sheesh), I wouldn't have watched it. At least not for long. But Elijah was his usual nice, normal self.

P.S. And he wasn't "falling down" in that clip, he was diving for the goal line. There's a big difference. :D Ask Emmitt Smith.

Yes Maeglian, I'm pondering the Osbournes too since they'll be airing for the first time this week. I just don't know if I really want to go there though...lets just say the ads don't inspire me?:D eg Mr Osbourne , shirtless :eek: , and in lets just say less than prime condition, rambling on about not getting a tattoo as he shows off his plethora???

Still, research is research I guess.

Crumbs if my daughter was best friends with Kelly I'd be a bit concerned. Oh well, it takes all types .:rolleyes:

:rolleyes: I shouldn't be here at all, but didn't want to get too far behind (I'm not taking the time right now to download the animations and commercial--it does take awhile on dial-up--so will have to enjoy those later).

Narya--You won't get any trouts from me on posting the Faramir material. I figure anything I say in any thread is "public" so I have no problem at all with it being used/quoted somewhere else :) .
Originally posted by Maeglian
But how would this theory explain those pics that Luthiea posted of EJW as himself looking totally goofy at that party? He looks just like any normal person being photographed late into a party and not exactly looking his best. Is it when he’s acting and can prepare in advance for being filmed that he has real emotion showing also in transition between others, and therefore looks so unbelievably good in almost all film stills?
Well, when he's being a normal person he'd be like any other normal person, I suppose, because then he'd actually be having whatever emotions he's actually... having... or whatever :confused: . The difference between him and other actors would be that he can show natural emotions while acting; the theory wouldn't make him any different from anyone else when he's being his natural self already. I suppose he might look better in film stills than in real-life stills because the emotions being acted are usually deeper, heightened, grander, whatever, than ones we normally have in day-to-day life. Now, if EW were playing someone being totally goofy late into a party, he might look a lot like those real-life ones! (Caffeine high in The Faculty?)

Now, as all researchers do, we have to be careful not to take a theory beyond what it's meant to explain :eek: . The microexpression theory is only related to how Elwood can show such natural-looking emotions while acting. It has nothing to do with being good-looking while acting--except that he should look more natural/in-character than most actors, and IMHO unnatural-looking emotions can at times make someone less attractive. It also has nothing to do with being photogenic, goofy-looking, or beautiful in RL (or whether his eyes are tightly fastened in their sockets ;) ). Those qualities would have to be explained some other way.

And, Maeg, glad you've decided to be visible at least part of the time ;) .

Edit:
Originally posted by Cadmo
Crumbs if my daughter was best friends with Kelly I'd be a bit concerned.
Maybe that's why Mom sent big brother along :D .

For Maeg and Prim: The Osbournes has just begun repeats in the US (leading up, I suppose to the premiere of the new season in November), and I was able to tape the episode with EW and his sister. It is Episode 1.2 (according to the IMDB) which would make it the second episode of the first season. (They are planning to release the whole first season of the Osbournes on DVD soon, too.) The whole show is an exercise in absurdity. But Elwood is tres :cool: in it. I recommend the VCR and fast forward option so you can avoid the stress of Ozzy in full muddle and get right to the sections worthy of research! ;)

I'm feeling extra technologically challenged tonight: I can't make the link that Louise posted work, nor can I see the animations that deluby linked to. :confused:

Vita: When I clicked on the link, it started a download rather than playing the video. Here's the link to the site below. Click on the "Wavy Lays" link, and it should start downloading. Or instead of double-clicking on it, try right-clicking on it, then clicking on "Save target as". Maybe if you break it up into the different pieces, it will help. I hope this works for you.

http://www.elijahfan.com/videos/

All this talk of falling made me think of a video I downloaded months ago, where someone had put together all the Frodo falling moments accompanied by a song called "Falling." The video quality isn't great, but it's still quite interesting to watch. Unfortunately, it's also quite big - those of you without highspeed or cable connections might have some problems accessing it. :(

http://www.mylotr.com/videos_home.html

There's quite a nice Frodo video there too, if you want something a little on the swoony side...

thankyou for the information peaceweaver. It matches someone elses on the CoE , or Imladris, can't remember, where they "remembered" it was the first or second show.

I was begining to sink slightly :p under the fear I would be watching weeks worth of a family that I just can't relate to ( I have seen the making of Kelly's video doco and frankly, umm, this family needs some sort of help...;) still... there seems to be a lot of love there and that says a lot ).

But the chance of seeing EW being just his own self is very tempting.

Re: Osbornes - I'd still like to see it. I mean, a researcher can't come to any conclusions unless she is able to see all the available data, right? :p

About this 'looking good in stills'... I actually have a theory... Other faculty members look dubious or yawn... as it is well known that Ariel is only authoritative when it comes to angst :rolleyes:

My theory is just that EJW has worked in film for so long and from such a young age, that he has been trained or trained himself to have a 'game face' while acting. It's part microexpressions, part immersion in the character and part really being skilled at projecting an emotion - and it is what all acting really SHOULD be. I believe in EJW we have someone who would have been a fantastic actor anyway, but because he started so young and has worked so steadily he has become a virtuoso of the craft - sort of along the lines of someone who is born with innate talent and begins at piano at the age of 4. By the time they are a young adult they are an astonishing master of their profession. Look at the case of Tiger Woods (must be the name, eh?) - natural talent coupled with practice from an early age. Sometimes skills are recognized early enough in life that such honing is possible.

That said, if you talk to people who are really virtuosos they tend to be pretty nice and don’t consider themselves all that exceptional. You can easily tell the real ones from the ‘not quite virtuosos’ because the ‘not quites’ seem to get their jollies by rubbing their accomplishments in everyone’s faces and being general snots – they are quite distinctive from those with real skill. Anyway, the real virtuoso has talent and really enjoys working hard at the thing they do, but they are usually so natural at it they almost can’t explain how they do it so well. My theory is that EJW is like that – he is so skilled because he had talent to start with, practiced from a very early age and is able to ‘act’ (or rather, look stunning for the camera at nearly all times) on demand because that is just what he learned to do – and though we dissect his every move, my bet is, to EJW, that is just his craft. Sure he works hard at it, but he also is starting from such an incredible native skills base, that when he gives us his best, it is miles above anyone else’s.

I also share the hope that some of you have expressed that he does not decide later in life that he’d rather direct than act… he would be depriving the world!

Ariel (who had another point to make, but as her brain is shutting down, now would probably not be the best time to write it.)

I saw the Ring today (yes this is going into Elijah discussion)...I guess the one word for it would be 'weird'. Driving home with mom we started talking about that creepy little kid who played Naomi Watts' character's kid....Aidan...what's the actor's name...David Dorfman, yeah him...and I brought up that I read in a review for it that some one called him Macaulay Joel Osment, lol of course after the two well known child actors. Anyway we got to talking about the way his eyes looked compared to other characters and even Haley Joel Osment and the way his eyes looked in the Sixth Sense. I was bitting my lip to not bring up Elijah and those huge blue eyes of his in this talk and his child acting days. I don't know why...but then I was thinking about it afterwards......I'm gussing that one kid will have a good career with plenty of roles....as long as he dosen't get type cast, well hey Haley didn't so there's probably some hope for him. I think the thing with Macaulay is that he in a way he depended on his cuteness and he or who ever never paid much attention to his acting. And of course then Elijah...he (or who ever) did pay attention to his acting and also didn't take it for granted. Probabaly what (at least in my book) separates Culkin from the other three. And why I'm sure the other three will do/have done better then him.

Well it's getting late...or I'm getting tired, so I must be going. –Alexan

Thanks for the Osbornes info. I am not planning on watching the show, just the eps with EJW and Hannnah Wood in them, I think.

Well, RL is getting busier than usual and I won't be able to post for some days. Hope to see you all in full research mode later! :)

Hey, Louise! Thanks for the WavyLays commercial link. It put a huge grin on my face! And on an OT side-note, one of the little girls in the commercial is Michelle Trachtenberg, who plays Buffy's little sister in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer."

A quick note on The Osbournes: taping it is an excellent idea! My main complaint about it is that Elijah isn't in it enough! But what's there is darling... Taping it would save you having to watch a family with appallingly little common sense where pets are concerned!

deluby, your animated gifs ROCK! Really, when you can watch them in a loop like that, over and over, you can see things that you never noticed before! It's fascinating.

Originally posted by Ariel
... the real virtuoso has talent and really enjoys working hard at the thing they do, but they are usually so natural at it they almost can’t explain how they do it so well. My theory is that EJW is like that – he is so skilled because he had talent to start with, practiced from a very early age and is able to ‘act’ (or rather, look stunning for the camera at nearly all times) on demand because that is just what he learned to do – and though we dissect his every move, my bet is, to EJW, that is just his craft. Sure he works hard at it, but he also is starting from such an incredible native skills base, that when he gives us his best, it is miles above anyone else’s.

I also share the hope that some of you have expressed that he does not decide later in life that he’d rather direct than act… he would be depriving the world!

Ariel, I so agree with everything you said there. I was browsing Elve's Frodoandsam site, and came across some quotes on Elijah:

"...his professionalism, his intelligence and his talent are singular. There's no one like him." - "He's the first child actor I've worked with that I think is really an ACTOR. He's not tied to his cuteness." - Director John Avnet. 'The War'.

"Every once in a while a kid comes along who 'gets it' - who really understands about doing a scene and can act even though he doesn't appear to be acting." Director Steve Miner. 'Forever Young.'

"ELijah has an innate understanding of the characters that he plays." - Executive producer Daniel Rogosin. 'The Good Son.'

"If you think Elijah's good in this one (FOTR), wait till you see him by the end of the third one." - Ian McKellan.

"Elijah Wood is a really nice guy, very unaffectd by the business, a real gentleman." - Ozzie Osbourne.

The Ian McKellan quote simply makes you ache to see ROTK. The thought that it is still over a year away is almost too much to bear, and this quote from Elijah himself (also on Elve's site) only increases the agony of waiting:
"The quote 'But I have been deeply hurt, Sam. I tried to save the Shire, and it has been saved, but not for me. It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger, someone has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them.' is my absolute favourite. It brings tears to my eyes. And it brings back some incredible memories."

The thought of EW playing that scene gives me goosebumps. The fact that he used those words suggest he was quoting the script and not the book (unless he's had a fit of conscience and has actually read it), so please God it should be included in the film. What am I saying - how can it NOT be in the film? For me, I think the relationship between Frodo and Sam is going to be the single most moving aspect of TTT and ROTK. Both Elijah and Sean Astin are going to have to be at their very best to summon up all the angst and emotion required, and I have complete and utter faith in them.

Which reminds me - another great quote from Elve's site, this from Sean Astin: "Life imitated art, completely. I ended up taking on the role of Elijah's protector - even though he didn't really need it! I kept wanting to take him under my wing, and he kept dragging me into different adventures. He's an amazing young man. He's genuinely filled with energy... he's like a cat. He's undaunted. They would tie him up and whip him around off those cherrypickers, and he was just game. He would go for it, and I was this Nervous Nelly of an old granny. I was like. 'Is that safe?' 'Have you gotten something to eat?'... We became very, very close.'

IIRC, I think the cherrypicker reference was to the Watcher in the Water scene, when that monster with the tentacles grabs Frodo. Does anyone know if EW actually did his own stunts here? SA's quote implies that he did. Reading that made me wonder, as when I did some frame-by-frame study of 'The Faculty' DVD, I thought it was obvious he DIDN'T do his own stunts as Casey, except maybe the first scene when he gets smacked in the mouth. After the flag-pole scene the other boys throw him to the ground, and it clearly isn't Elijah being thrown here, though it quickly cuts to him squirming in pain. Also, when Casey and Delilah run from the faculty lounge after being caught by the teachers - when Casey slips as he tries to take the corner -again I think this was a stunt double. I mean, I would hate Elijah to get hurt, but it's so much better when it's obviously HIM getting in there and doing it. It's not like he's not used to suffering for his art. Didn't you say Tg, that he had to spend ages submerged in freezing water for Huck Finn? (I must get that) In 'The War' it was certainly Elijah swimming in the water tower, and how dangerous must that have been? Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Maeg and Prim. Yes, the episode of The Osbournes with EW is definitely the second one. I sat up all night with Holly last week when she was ill, and flicked the TV onto MTV. They were showing several episodes together, starting from the beginning of the series. The second one shown actually said 'Guest starring Elijah Wood and Hannah Wood' in the opening credits. He didn't appear until the second half, after the ad break, but I managed to pop a tape in and record Elijah's contribution, which lasted all of two minutes! He seemed very down to earth and normal, and was very courteous when Kelly and Jack introduced him to Ozzy, referring to himself as 'Hannah's brother.' He and his sister were the only ones who didn't utter a profanity every few minutes. (OK, I know he DOES swear, but the whole Osbourne family seem incapable of completing a sentence without using the **** word, and it grates after a while). I must admit I wouldn't normally watch the programme from choice, and only lingered in the vague hope of catching his episode - I just got lucky.

Btw, Maeg, thanks for asking again about Holly. She is continuing to improve. The jaundice is more or less gone now, and she has an appointment at the vet's today for some blood tests. Fingers crossed!

deluby, what can I say? You're a marvel!

Elve - hope you don't mind me quoting your quotes! I love your site! I love Frodo and Sam!

Bye all.:)

Ya know, the Faculty never disappoints me. I have to have a read every day, or the day is just not complete.

But I must say, ever since I migrated over here from CofE (okay, some people might use the term fled), I have been unable to stay away from the Harem for long, either!

They are certainly more swooney than this thread, although sometimes it's pretty tempting in here, too :rolleyes: but lately it just seems to me that our cousins over at the Harem are showing definite signs of Facultyitis. (Course, there are a few cross-members like myself! :D )

I have just been reading with the greatest enjoyment and fascination a discussion over there regarding which finger Frodo used to wear The Ring, and which finger he should have used, etc. Really quite interesting should anyone here who is not already lurking (or posting) there want to take a peek. I believe I wandered in just a smidge down on page 58, when the subject matter and erudite posts grabbed me and held on for dear life.

That darn Frodo - he just attracts amazing women, is all!

I just wanted you to know. Nitey Nite, all! :cool:

Just a quick post to say:

deluby you are brilliant. Those gifs have me transfixed! As Maeglian said:

I’m entirely looking forward to those swoonworthy gifs. We can pretend to not swoon with the best of them.

Yep, that applies to me too.:o


tgshaw: likewise your avatars are a joy!

To those enduring the Osbournes: when the series was aired here they must have shown the episodes in a different order. I sat through 2 or 3 of them (looking for you know who), but couldn't bear much more than that. Fortunately the station decided to promote the Elijah and Hannah episode, so I didn't end up missing it. It was near the end of the series here (in Oz).

And {{{{{Faculty}}}}}, for continuing its fine tradition of research. And thank you for the warm welcome back.
:)

Hi dear ones! Haven't had much to say lately but I've been reading. You guys have a way of saying all that needs to be said... :D

Just wanted to comment that I really will be putting up the osbournes episode on my website soon for those that can't see it, or don't want to sit through the whole thing. I also have another wavy lays commercial - different from the one Louise posted the link to. I am still waiting on one piece of software to compress the files - I'm sorry it's taking so long! Since I upgraded my computer, I've had to purchase all new software, which is quite expensive, and there is a learning curve as well. I am hoping to have everything set up so that I can record all the appearances from TV in the upcoming season and post the clips immediately, so all you non-US folks can keep up with what's going on. And if anyone is interested in doing transcripts of any of the clips please let me know!

Does anyone know if the Collector's Edition of the SE DVD will be available in stores like Wal Mart? I want to see it the day it comes out, and I know what happens you you order online. And I definitely want the collector's eddition and not the regular edition.

****MAJOR RADIO FLYER SPOILERS****

Okay, I came across the end of Radio Flyer last night on HBO, and I had a new revelation about the ending. You may remember that I have always thought there was only one boy, and that Bobby was all in Mike's head - some sort of defense mechanism. Well, I am rethinking that hypothesis... I think Bobby died. At the end, when Tom Hanks tells the kids that "history is in the mind of the teller, and that's the way I remember it" (or something to that effect), that he is saying that he is remembering the story that way because it is more comfortable for him to do so. Instead of acknowledging that his brother killed himself, and he had some part in it, it is easier for him to believe that his brother flew off into the sunset and is alive and well somewhere. I think Mike made those post cards, and his mom cried over them because she could see that it was Mikes way to deal with the situation. So... I basically think we only have three choices as to what happened: Bobby lived; Bobby died; Bobby never existed, and I'm leaning now toward Bobby died. What do you all think?

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Blossom - I don't mind you using the quotes. I tell you guys, I have been teetering on doing away with that website completely, and I'm still undecided on what to do. I really love doing the video clips, and I have almost decided to have the whole site be just clips. I just don't want to spend the whole TT season trying to keep up with posting new images and articles and such... I just want to be a specatator! I'm now leaning toward keeping the site, but making it more like a database that's not necessarily reporting the most up to date news... so I don't have the pressure of updating it constantly. Any input from anyone? I feel so wishy washy about it at the moment.

I'm not feeling well, but deluby, you've sure helped me feel much, much better! Thank you! :k

About the blood on Frodo's fingers, I'd always wondered if that's what I've been seeing in this pic:

http://maggiebear.crosswinds.net/fellowship08/lotr071.jpg

Glad to know it wasn't wishfulangst thinking. :D

It's OT now, but well, there is another little reason why I like movieBoromir ... that line he says to Frodo: "You suffer. I see it day by day. Are you sure you do not suffer needlessly?" I think of that line now as a gift from a couple of Angst Maven writers to FrodoAngst fans everywhere. ;)


I was about to post but saw Elve's back in here!

{{{Elve}}} I can't think of anything constructive to say right now, other than that I've always been grateful for all the stuff you've so kindly shared with us. :) I wish I could offer more help, but I get the feeling that if you're feeling pressure from maintaining the site as it is, then keeping it as a database is a wonderful alternative. Especially if that'll allow you more time to do what you really want. :) :)


SPOILERS

As for Radio Flyer: It's always been my opinion that Bobby died.


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Having read the script of the original ending, I guess I have a soft spot for the way the writers wanted to do it (before having to change it before the movie was released). That ending was complete, unabashed, unashamed fantasy. I don't really disagree with the decision to change it--I understand not wanting to show a fantasy ending to a story about child abuse--but I also think it would have been awfully difficult to write a second ending to an already-finished story, especially if the story's well written. IMHO, that's a reason the second ending is so ambiguous--if a plot is well-written, there really shouldn't be two clear, unambiguous endings possible.

In the original ending, Tom Hanks and kids are in the Smithsonian Institution's Air and Space Museum. He tells them basically the same story he does in the redone ending, but goes on to tell how Bobby had "dropped in" to help the engineers who had run into a dead-end while designing the space shuttle. Then, when the camera pulls back at the very end, we see the Radio Flyer "flying machine" hanging in mid-air in the museum, with no visible means of support or suspension.

IMHO, this fits with the movie's idea that (not too exact here--haven't watched it for awhile) there are five (?) things children know are possible that they forget when they become adults--with whatever really was "The Big Idea" being one of them. Being an adult now, Mike can no longer remember what it was that made the Radio Flyer possible--but the fact that it's sitting in mid-air in the museum seems to indicate that it did really work, made possible by something that only children know.

I actually think that childhood belief/knowledge is supposed to be the overall theme of the movie, and that maybe a story involving child abuse wasn't the best choice for carrying out the theme. There are enough fantasy elements sprinkled here and there throughout the rest of the movie that IMHO a fantasy ending would fit--although it might not have been proper.

The script of the original ending was posted on the defunct not-really-officially-official Elijah Wood website, if anyone remembers that. Didn't someone find an archive of that at some point? It can be interesting to read the ending, even if you don't agree with it.


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And Elve, regarding your own site--whatever you post will be gratefully accepted, as ainon said. IMHO, you should do what you enjoy doing, and if that's the video clips so much the better because they're so hard to find anywhere else. Also IMHO, it's easier to find the "new stuff" than it is to be able to go back and find some of the "old stuff," so in that sense a database sounds like a great idea. I think a lot of people look to your site to fill in the gaps that aren't covered in other places, so I don't think you need to worry about posting what everyone else is as it comes out.

WOOO HOOO! I triumphed over technology!! And got to see BOTH the animations and the pototoe chip commercial.

Of course, it had nothing to do with me. I tried on a different computer. :rolleyes:

But thank you deluby and Louise :k

What a way to begin the week! And now tg and Elve are back. Yaay!

Looking at the animation of the hobbits around the wounded Frodo, I noticed for the first time that Merry strokes Frodo's head while Frodo holds onto Sam's hand. What a wonderful non-verbal way to express the closeness among the hobbits.

And I just marvel at EW's ability to deliver pain on command. :(

Blossom, I totally agree with what you said about those quotes from Ian M. and from Elijah himself. What an intense feeling of longing those brought up in me! And yet, I love that I still have that to look forward to (I'm one of those who can't bear to see it end, and the thought of having all this anticipation in the past is just almost more to bear than the anticipation itself)!

Re: the Watcher in the Water scene -- I read elsewhere that Elwood indeed did his own dangling from the cherrypicker. I think it was another Sean A. quote, and I know where it was but I can't find it now. He described how the thing would whip EW around, and he would just pick himself up and do it all over again like it was nothing.

Anyone know how many other stunts were done by the man himself? The leap onto the ferry? The fall from the seat on Amon Hen? The lad seems very resilient, and I'm just curious. I was surprised to hear that he didn't do some of his own slipping and falling in The Faculty, as he seems to have a natural aptitude for it. And I don't mean that in a bad way! And if Viggo can do all his own stunts, who's to say that EW didn't do a good-sized share of his own, too?

I'm going to have to take a big breath and go check out that Harem thread just so I can see their discussion on the "ring finger," as that is a subject that fascinates me for some reason. I know Frodo uses two different fingers for the Ring in the movie, and it has led me to much speculation about which will be the final finger, if you take my meaning. I always thought I knew which finger it was in the book, until someone pointed out that Tolkien's words could mean an entirely different finger. So I look forward to that particular sequence with great interest for more than one reason.:D

Hi everyone. Like Elvellon, I haven't had much to say, but I've been reading everything posted here and enjoying it as much as always.

Reading the quotes about Elijah from other people reminded me of one of my favorite ones from Ian McKellen when asked if he was familiar with EW before LOTR:


"Yes. Elijah is a very experienced actor, and he is much wiser than most 20 year-olds you're going to meet. To have a leading man who is attentive to everybody and so genuinely interested in everybody, and so good-natured, is a very good emotional center for the cast. I was very impressed by the way he handled that. When you think of the monsters who might have landed that part and been absolutely horrendous to work with, well, it just redoubles how lucky we were to have had Elijah. He's a sweet man and a very good actor."


How very generous of a man like Sir Ian. And it speaks volumes about EW and what I have always believed about him. It also brings me to my impression of him on The Osbornes. I happened to catch it the first time it aired purely by accident--I was surfing and stumbled onto it. I didn' t record it because I wasn't expecting it (note to self: always have a tape in the machine, queued up and ready!) but one thing I really loved was the way he introduced himself to Ozzie: "Hi, I'm Elijah, Hannah's brother." You can understand why Ozzie was so impressed with how grounded he is--no inflated ego there.

I haven't seen it mentioned here yet, or maybe I missed it, but there is going to be a special on the WB on December 4th at 8:00 p.m. I'm not sure what time zone that time refers to, but it is going to be a preview of TTT, kind of like what the Sci-Fi channel and Fox did last year with LOTR. My VCR will be ready for that one!

Bunnie Bugs said: I was surprised to hear that he didn't do some of his own slipping and falling in The Faculty, as he seems to have a natural aptitude for it.

You said it!! ROFL!

Yes, I am looking forward to the WB special, but not as much as I am looking forward to the release of the SE of FoTR.

I got a glimpse of one of the features on the SE DVD (thank you, Goldie :k ). Lordy, is that ever going to ROCK!

And mark your calendars: apparently the GQ event that Sir Ian and EW were photographed at is going to be on the tube in the US on December 14.

Morning all! :)
Louise---Thank you for posting that commercial clip! Hilarious indeed! :D It must hurt doing football dives like that doesn't it? Especially he's not wearing any protection and all. :confused:

(((ainon))) Hope you feel better now. :)


I was checking out pictures on A Hobbit's Tale, and found some (I think)better version of few old pictures.

1. I have 2 version of this one in my computer, one is really blurry, and the other one is very small. This one is the best I've seen. One of my fav.

http://www.ifrance.com/ahobbitstale/galleries/frodo_06.jpg

2. Here's a wallpaper sized(800*600) version of the picture where F&S being captured by Faramir's men, only the frodo part though. Flip the pic and it makes a pretty nice desktop wallpaper.
http://www.ifrance.com/ahobbitstale/wallpapers/wall_frodottt.jpg


3. This shot here, http://www.ifrance.com/ahobbitstale/news/frodo_newsthumb2.jpg I know I've seen the whole picture somewhere before, but can't remember where it was from, a mag cover or something? :confused: And I don't have it in my computer either. :( I really like that shot. Frodo looks so different....very....I don't know....clean?

4. These two here are collages of EW's try 17 promo shots. Quite cute. :)

http://www.ifrance.com/ahobbitstale/cast/cast_ew_pic18.jpg
http://www.ifrance.com/ahobbitstale/cast/cast_ew_pic17.jpg


Gifs of the day coming soon. :D Apparently after I upload them and preview in web browser, some frames flickers a lot. Gotta resize them and re-edit a bit. http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/sweatdrop.gif


Edit OK here they are, some may still flicker when viewed in browser. :( I tried my best, but sometimes size does matter. :rolleyes:

1. This one is a bit big in file size, but like Ariel said, they are too nice to rush. :p
The interesting thing here is that Frodo blinks 3 times while Sam doesn't blink even once. hmmmm....:D
--edit---need more webspace, so above gifs have been deleted, PM me if you want to see them.

2. Frodo wakes up in rivendell.
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3. Frodo after handing out the ring in COE. Love that little smirk.
same as above

Alright, 3 today, 5 more rivendell ones late tonight or tomorrow. http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/smile.gif

well this will be brief because I should be doing about ten other things (good thing women are so skilled at multitasking).

first, me too! Elwood should keep on acting, he's so good at it....mind you, if he acts that well, it seems that he would be pretty good at directing because he would recognise the small expressions that mean so much and separate out a good movie from an excellent one!

second, just LOVE the comment from Sir Ian about EW's acting -can't wait (hiss to the one who reminded me that iROTK is more than a year away ;) )

third, and this is going back a bit, have been watching FOTR in tiny bits over the past week. The "blush" -the more I looked for it, the more I found it, and I do wonder if it's natural, not makeup. There is at least one closeup where you can see the rosy glow, and it extends over the bridge of his nose (like snow burn) -as well as pimples on his nose and forehead -no self respecting makeup person would have extended rosy cheeks onto the nose! :D

so, my pathetic contribution to the "research" :eek:

viola
p.s. the osbournes also starts on channel four in the uk this friday...so that means that next week friday is the one (and only one??) to watch/tape

Originally posted by ainon
About the blood on Frodo's fingers, I'd always wondered if that's what I've been seeing in this pic:

I doubt that is blood... I have sort of always thought that those were just his fingertips a little pinked because it was chilly... and I have ALWAYS thought that was just the cutest thing EVER!!! Sorry... not a swoon, more of an "Awwwwww!" moment there! Sorry to ruin the angst potential... but remember, there is always the BLOOD on his vest and cloak! I mean, did you ever notice how MUCH there is?

http://web.kcnet.org/arielshouse/Weathertopwound01.jpg
http://web.kcnet.org/arielshouse/Weathertop002.jpg

And just 'cause I always loved this one!
http://web.kcnet.org/arielshouse/Weathertop003.jpg

And just to prove what a good actor he is, here's a shot that proves he MUST be doing something different while acting than he does just bumming around... 'Cause THIS is unflattering! LOL!

http://web.kcnet.org/arielshouse/elijahte.jpg

Yes, Deluby, thank you - much less jerky. I made several animations in *.avi format for the Harem - they are a bit... um, well, swoonworthy for the faculty... http://web.kcnet.org/arielshouse/Smileys/embarassed.gif and though they came out very nicely, they were HUGE - I know what you are talking about. I had them on my webspace until recently and just took them down to save space. If you can take *.avi files and convert them to that quality *.gifs I might ask you to! When I tried it with Corel, the picture quality suffered.

Ariel

Ariel

Thanks to the divine Elf Lady, I followed a thread in Legolas' Treehouse to the OBFiles, then on into a site wherein lies Poster Heaven. There are quite a few posters for sale here, and I am SO gonna buy some of them! There are even a few that the photos are not displayed on yet....suspense! Here is the url to the poster site: http://www.posternow.com/cgi-bin/poster_e/p_e.pl?f=*INTERPRET%2C*TITEL%2C*SEARCH&t=te_overview&start=1&dif=10&c=Lord%20Of%20The%20Rings,%20The&search=ALL

If this url didn't turn out right, go to the OB Files and click on the poster on the left of the main page. Sorry I'm not more computer-smart about all this.

Here is one I haven't personally seen before. He is fully aware of the evil of The Ring in this one. Look at the way he is looking at it! :eek:
I wants it! Aargh! Those lashes!

http://www.posternow.com/imagem/l/l3727.jpg

I read an interview with Elijah Wood somewhere where he said he didn't like to talk too much about how he approaches acting because if he thinks too much about it, he's afraid he'll ruin it. It was on one of the EW sites, but now I can't find it, or I'd post a link. It rang a bell with me at the time because I had just seen Meryl Streep say pretty much the same thing in an interview when someone asked her how she approached acting. And I recently read an interview with Anthony Hopkins where someone asked him what he thought of actors such as Ed Norton, who have to discuss the role in great detail with the director, co-stars, etc. in order to give a performance. Hopkins basically said that it was OK with him but after the first few minutes "his eyes would start to glaze over" because he didn't need that kind of exhaustive preparation and he found it pretty boring.

I suspect that all "instinctive" actors feel the same way. They "just do it", without needing to worry about all of the "method" mumbo-jumbo. They don't need to have a memory of being frightened by a balrog. They just know somehow what it would "feel" like, and their faces and bodies unconsciously act out that "knowledge". IMO, this kind of talent can be refined to some extent, but you can't teach it. People are either born with it, or they aren't. I read another old Elijah interview (done before "Ice Storm") where he said that the role he did that was farthest from him in real life was "The Good Son". Do any of you have any opinions as to why he thought that? Because his character had lost his mother? Because he needed therapy? We wonders. :)

Good morning everyone.

Elve - fascinating theories regarding the ending of Radio Flyer. I must amit this has had me guessing. I would NEVER have thought of the possibility of there being only one brother, but when you think about it, children deal with harrowing experiences in what appear to us adults to be very complex ways, yet to a child are the most simple and natural defence mechanisms for blocking something out - like closing a door on reality.
I agree with Tg's comment about the ending being ambiguous. There really is no clear indication of what happened to Bobby. It leads you to believe he escaped, but surely he would have come back eventually, as his tormentor (his stepfather) had been exposed (again!) and presumably was no longer on the scene. My intitial impression was that Bobby DID escape, (however incredible it is to imagine that the Radio Flyer actually flew, and didn't crash and kill him anyway) and grew up to become a pilot. At the end one of Tom Hanks' kids says something like, 'Is that how we got Samson?' Samson being the tortoise/turtle, who Bobby took with him.
I'm really not sure about the possibility of Bobby having died. I suppose Michael could have written the cards in an attempt to convince himself that Bobby was happy, was in a better place. Interesting that the first card came from the Buffalo park, and Michael had imagined the Buffalo almost as a mentor in his dream, taking guidance from his words - seeing this as confirmation that he must take on the responsibilty of saving his brother. You could tie yourself up in knots thinking about it.
It reminds me of the Bumblebee ending - what happened to Mazzo. You know he died, but where did he go when the Bumblebee flew off the roof? Too confusing for me this time of the morning!
:confused:

Elve, it's a shame you are undecided about what to do with Frodoandsam. I have enough trouble keeping up here, so you have my sympathies. It is a terrific source for information on those two wonderful characters and actors, and it would be great to have it there as a database, even if you feel you can't add to it.

Re the extended DVD. When you say Collectors Edition -are you getting the one with the Pillars of Argonath? I am now hoping I can still get the DVD when it comes out, as Holly had her blood tests last night and they were much better. She has to go back in a month to have them checked again, but hopefully she's on the road to a full recovery.

deluby - you continue to amaze us all!
Ainon - hope you are feeling better.
Vita - you got to see the clips.
Carleenya - love the poster, don't think I've seen that before. Your avatar reminded me of the TT trailer. Did you notice how Legolas goes down on his knee before Gandalf when he 'reappears' to them in the wood? I like that little touch.
Ariel - those weathertop caps were beautiful, especially number 2 and 3. How can anyone obviously in so much pain and distress look that good? ( I must pop into the Harem one of these days!)

Regarding EW doing his own stunts. I'm sure he must have done most of his own in LOTR. I might be wrong about The Faculty, but take a look at these and see what you think. They are from the scene where the boys throw Casey to the ground after ramming him into the flagpole. I think the first one is a stuntman, the second IS EW.



http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/caseystunt.JPG

Stuntman?

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/caseystunt2.JPG

Obviously EW.

And this one just because it is beautiful:

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/021Lothlorien.JPG

Enjoy. Bye.

Originally posted by Ariel
And just 'cause I always loved this one!
http://web.kcnet.org/arielshouse/Weathertop003.jpg

For You Ariel: :k

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I accutually made that one with all those weathertop ones last time but didn't post it at the end because I didn't think it was that special and that anybody would care for that sequence. :rolleyes:
http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/trout.gif myself. WHAT WAS I THINKING?? :D


Yeah, avi is much better than gif in terms of image quality. Some of those gifs I posted originally have about 80 frames. I had to cut down to 18-20 to keep it around 800k. http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/shrug.gif


Searched through 6(http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/knockedout.gif ) bookstores tonight and NONE of them has the Dec. issue of EMPIRE mag. :mad: :( http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/dontcare.gif
Only found few Nov. issues. :rolleyes: Well, I guess it takes a while for those goodies to get here from UK. Will try again this weekend.

Oh, and bought 4 more swoonworthy Frodo blockbuster gift cards today. Some of the stores are still carrying them. Woohoo!! I think I now have 15 of those. :eek: :D I think I kinda have a card fetish. :rolleyes: :p
If any of you ladies don't go to blockbuster at all but would like to keep one of those, let me know, I think I can mail one to you. :)


Edit
Fatty over at War of The Ring put together a video of TTT footages from the EA game. There are screencaps too. But no sight of frodo. :(
TTT spoiler!!
5.64MB video here http://www.warofthering.net/downloads/movietrailers/eatttclips.wmv
screencaps here http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/tttclipet/

Originally posted by deluby
Oh, and bought 4 more swoonworthy Frodo blockbuster gift cards today. Some of the stores are still carrying them. Woohoo!! I think I now have 15 of those. :eek: :D I think I kinda have a card fetish. :rolleyes: :p
If any of you ladies don't go to blockbuster at all but would like to keep one of those, let me know, I think I can mail one to you. :)
LOL! :D I have a Blockbuster gift card and a Borders gift card (that a friend mailed to me!) that I carry around in my wallet. The Blockbuster one is the best, but do they actually have more than one Frodo shot? Or are you buying a bunch of duplicates? *contemplates whether more gifts cards would fit in her wallet* :rolleyes:

By the way, deluby, I haven't mentioned it before, but you're my hero. Those gifs just make my day, every time. I emailed a couple of the more swoon-worthy ones to some friends, and instantly became their hero. So, thanks for that!:k

LOL BunnieBugs, I've got the Borders gift card too. :o :p The Blockbuster cards only have 2 kinds, one shot of Frodo and one with Gandalf. At first I was saying to myself "Let's be fair, 2 Frodo and 2 Gandalf", then after that I was like "oh forget it, who am I kidding? Frodo all the way!" :D (Sorry Gandalf, I've been feeling guilty, but you will understand and forgive me right?? http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/innocent.gif )So yeah, I've got bunch of Frodos with rosy cheeks. :D

awwww, *blush* Thank you very much BunnieBugs, I'm glad you enjoy those gifs. :k

arghhh, made a bunch of avatars and then realized that I still haven't got have enough posts to use them. How many do I need? 30 I suppose? Almost there.... http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/tired.gif :D

Except for Ariel's Weathertop pics and Carly's poster, all I'm seeing this morning are boxes with red x's--but everything at KD is running v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y for me this morning, so hopefully I'll see the real things later.

Carly--I've always liked that poster better than its companion piece where he's looking straight ahead (not that I don't like that one :eek: ). Had it up as my avatar one day last week, but just for you I've put it up again for today (so you have seen it before--it was just very small). I bought both of those posters last year sometime. Suppose I should go look at the new ones, but with only two walls in my apartment (the other two sides are floor-to-ceiling windows) I don't know where I'd put them!

My computer seems to have decided it wants to stay in the Faculty Lounge. Yesterday I clicked over to the Harem (first time since coming to KD) to find the ring finger discussion, and my computer immediately started making horrible shrieking noises, shut down the connection with the ISP, and refused to let me back on line for some time. It's done each of those things separately in the past, but this is the first time it's done all three of them at once :eek: ! Guess I can take a hint :rolleyes: (and I never did find that discussion). :D

Originally posted by deluby
I accutually made that one with all those weathertop ones last time but didn't post it at the end because I didn't think it was that special and that anybody would care for that sequence. :rolleyes:

Not care?!! (ainon trouts deluby anyway for good measure) Of course we'd care! It's a lovely scene! Look at how Sam never lets go of Frodo till he absolutely has to. Dear, dear Sam. And most importantly, of course -- boy, can that kid show pain.

deluby, may I shout out one big THANK YOU! for all the joy you're bringing to us? My image viewer allows to me zoom in on the gif, so I can actually get a full screen loop show. Pretty good quality too! I'd never been able to get a fullscreen show of anything before on this old computer of mine! Bless you, deluby! :k :k {{{deluby}}}

And thanks deluby and Blossom. Yeah, I'm feeling better today. :) And glad to hear that Holly's on the mend too. :)

Viola!! {{Viola}} So them troublesome RL trouts aren't keeping you away from doing research. Good! :D

Shadow ... stop lurking and get out here more! :)

That Anthony Hopkins quote - yeah, I remember reading that. It is refreshing to read actor interviews where the actor doesn't go on and on about his method. The fact that EW doesn't spend endless amounts of interview time waxing poetic over method and whatever is another reason to adore him.


deluby:
Fatty over at War of The Ring put together a video of TTT footages from the EA game. There are screencaps too. But no sight of frodo. :(

Thanks for the heads-up. I only looked at the screencaps. :cool: Since there's no Frodo, I'm not even gonna try downloading the video. Tonight is my third night downloading the WavyLays Football video, and downloading deluby's gifs will take me close to an hour. It's not just you, tg -- I'm getting red Xs or blank spaces where images are supposed to be, and have to right-click and reload the pics (if the red X shows up to let me know there's a pic; otherwise I roughly guess that a blank space might yield a pic). I keep hoping the browser won't crash. :rolleyes:

Blossom - took me three reloads to see your pics. That one is beautiful. ;) The painful Faculty moment ... I'm ashamed to admit that I am unable to tell whether or not the person in the first pic is EW. :o


Originally posted by Ariel
I doubt that is blood... I have sort of always thought that those were just his fingertips a little pinked because it was chilly... and I have ALWAYS thought that was just the cutest thing EVER!!! Sorry... not a swoon, more of an "Awwwwww!" moment there! Sorry to ruin the angst potential... but remember, there is always the BLOOD on his vest and cloak! I mean, did you ever notice how MUCH there is?

Geez, Ariel, what a question to ask! Of course, I noticed! And I'm appreciating the clear screencaps too. Thank you. :k I didn't even need to reload to get a view of them. ;) But in deluby's gif, it looks like blood on Frodo's fingers.


What're the Blockbuster and Borders gift cards? Which Frodo is on them?


peaceweaver ... umm ... pototoe? :D :D

I think that first shot of Casey is actually a stunt woman!

Yup, flattened out breasts methinks. It makes sense too- a woman would have a much more teenager boy shape than a man. Frankly the pole sequence would be better done by a woman too (ouch) than a man. Less to get in the line of fire so to speak.:p

Carly,
I don't keep up on the Harem as I'd like to (lately I've even gotten behind on the Faculty :eek: ), but I did happen to catch the ring discussion. :cool: I'm one who always puzzled over how Gollum managed things so neatly in the book :rolleyes: :D , and found the info on historical practices fascinating.

Elve,
I second tgshaw in saying I'd rather your site be unique than "up to date." I like the concept of a "data base" with what pleases you, rather than a newsy site - since what interests you interests me. :D

My problem with the WavyLays commercial as a football connection is that EW fumbles the ball! :eek: ;)

deluby,
Did you share the wallpaper and collages with Hobmom's Hug thread? (I'm behind there, too. :o ) They'd appreciate them I bet.

Originally posted by ainon

deluby, may I shout out one big THANK YOU! for all the joy you're bringing to us? My image viewer allows to me zoom in on the gif, so I can actually get a full screen loop show.

Full screen versions of deluby's gifs? (Or is that gifts? :D) Major jealousy going on now...

Way OT:
For anyone who's been following the Cathedral debate, tg and I decided to resurrect it over at CoE since none of the regular posters seemed adamantly opposed. I'm going to subscribe to it, myself, since I'm not getting over to CoE as regularly as I once did. ;) If anyone, lurker or poster, has any sort of problem with that, please let me know. :)

Sheryl

I am so annoyed! I just spent about an hour typing up a post and I've went and lost it! :mad:

I'll try to remember what I said...

Deluby - thanks for your animations, they are great! And take heart that I, too, am longing for an avatar.

Louise - I can't see that Wavy Lays thingie, but I've been having problems with Realplayer recently it keeps saying it can't find the file or something :(

Cadmo - stuntwoman lol! Her arms look a bit thicker than EW's too.


Go here to see a lovely photo of EW -

http://always.ejwsites.net/images/gq01.jpg

Go here to read the transcript of an interview EW did for the Comedy Channel -
http://always.ejwsites.net/schmooze.html

I especially like the bit where he says "I'm not a massive movie star don't say that, please!" So modest.


shilohmm - I've often wondered which finger is is too! I've not been at the Harem for ages, will have to check it out.

btw - has Elijah said anything in any interviews about his thoughts on Ash Wednesday? It's just that with those reviews where people are kind of bashing his performance in the film, I was wondering what the man himself thought?

I've loaned my copy of FOTR to one of my friend's who is one of the the 2 people in the world who's not had the pleasure of seeing it. I really hope she enjoys it - we may have another convert!- one of her friends walked out of the cinema halfway through! :eek:

Yep, The Osbournes is being shown over here - the episode Elijah and Hannah are in is called 'Bark at the Moon'. He is so normal, you wouldn't think he was famous if you didn't know it. I was watching it with my dad (who was tut-tutting at all the swearing coming from the delightful Osbourne family!) and I said 'Look, there's the guy who plays Frodo!" And he was like, "Whaaat?!" Check out how, after shaking hands with Elijah, Ozzie wipes his hand down his trousers! What a cheek - if it'd been me I'd never have washed my hand again!

btw - I got a picture signed by Elijah from eBay! It is of Frodo sitting in a tree and was signed at the David Letterman show! I remember reading a few pages back that someone's mum had tried to bid for a signed pic of him but got outbid at the last minute - I hope that wasn't me! :( They have autographs and stuff there quite often though. Did anyone try for the CoFs DVD?

ainon said:
peaceweaver ... umm ... pototoe?

You caught the reference to Dan Quayle! :p He did one of these commercials with Elwood.

ainon -thanks {{{ainon}}} -hope you are feeling much better.

Ariel -that screencap of Frodo in pain -every time I see it, it takes my breath away (and makes me wince in sympathetic pain) -it is SOOO real.

Carleenya -thanks for the posters. The more pictures the better!
(Have been drooling over some very lovely "postcards" that came with the december issue of Empire magazine -funnily enough I had to buy three copies -me, prim and another sister too!!)

Elve -yes keep the site, but shouldn't you call it a treasure trove?

viola -gotta run :eek:

What're the Blockbuster and Borders gift cards? Which Frodo is on them? The Borders card I have is the same as the poster that Carleenya posted, of Frodo looking down at the Ring. The Blockbuster card is this one. (http://www.ewfn.org/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Misc&id=atm) So nice to have pocket-sized Frodos to carry around! ;)

I checked out the finger discussion at the Harem -- pretty much all the things that I've been debating about with myself for years! I'm most interested to see which finger PJ settled on... (tg, LOL that your computer protested your attempt to visit the Harem!)

And... Elwood did a commercial with Dan Quayle? :eek: Is that available anywhere for downloading?

Could be a stuntwoman in that picture. Sure is hard to tell, but it doesn't look quite like Elwood. I know he's had female stuntpersons (?) before.

I know there's more I wanted to say, but it escapes me, and I must run. See you later!

The Blockbuster card looks like this:

--[i]edit--image deleted.

It's the shot from the Frodo wallpaper that you can get through official LOTR DVD website. I think it's a bit different from the picture BunnieBugs posted. Different angle I guess.

Oh, you're quite right, deluby. My mistake! But I'll bet y'all can see why we like to carry that around for an on-the-go "fix!"

But you have to be pretty good at "not swooning" in public... :D

Originally posted by shilohmm
deluby,
Did you share the wallpaper and collages with Hobmom's Hug thread? (I'm behind there, too. :o ) They'd appreciate them I bet.
Done. :p Hobmom is on a quest for a screencap of EW's knee from Bumblebee and no luck yet, maybe someone here with Bumblebee DVD could help her out?


Edit
ooohhhh, Final TTT poster is out!!!
http://www.lordoftherings.net/film/exclusives/poster/images/poster.jpg


I chopped the other part and here's a clearer and bigger look. :D

http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/TTTpostera.jpg

I love that poster the subdued colouring is great; but why is Sam so small and Arwen so big:confused:

Even with an inflated role surely Sam as Frodo's "other half" so to speak, is much more pivotal to the story than Arwen??? Is this another hint that we won't get to see much of EW in TTT??

re stuntperson:p : I've changed my mind; it would be a rare woman to have that nose (definately Not an Elwood nose) and a five oclock shadow. Either way thank god EW didn't have to do that particular shot. Phew. Could potentially harm his err ...chances of passing on those beautiful genes .;)

AAAAUUUGGH! No Merry and Pip! Gigantic Arwen and tiny Sam! :confused: What is the matter with these people?!?


*pant, pant*

Okay, all better now. I think someone guessed right that they're saving Faramir until ROTK, leaving his good guy/bad guy status in question. Other than those GLARING omissions, it's actually quite lovely! But...

GRRRR!! :mad:


By the way, someone (sorry, I've lost track of who!) mentioned that they were having trouble with the WavyLays clip on RealPlayer... Well, I was too, so I tried opening it with Windows Media Player, and it worked just fine, so you might give that a try!

Stuntperson -- probably a very young man but not Elwood. That does not look like your average EW bicep.

I second the frustration over Faramir. Shafted AGAIN!! Oh illuvatar I hope tg is rignt...

Liv Tyler is third in the castlist. The hobbit actors are way down the list, unfortunately. It's unfair, but IMHO that's why she's getting all the attention. Actually I can't even see the poster yet. It's taking ages for my browser to load images. :( That's why I haven't been at Hobmom's thread for so long. I can never get the pages in that thread to load fully.

I can see the Blockbuster pic. Nice! thanks, deluby! :) Oh, I can see the clearer, bigger look now! Thank you, deluby!! :k


Btw, I was rewatching the Weathertop scene, and I realised that we never see what Frodo does with the Ring after he pulls it off his finger. I used to think that he switches hands (like at Amon Hen, when he falls off that Seat) and holds on to it in his left hand. Now I'm thinking that maybe he slips it into his jacket pocket - an off-screen moment - just before Sam reaches his side and grabs hold of his right hand. That would explain why there's blood on his fingers, and the Ring should be safer in his pocket anyway. Is this how everyone else has been seeing it?

Isn't that poster picture order the same as the order of billing (at the end of the film, not IMDB)? I'm pretty sure that the first four are in the same order (Elijah, Ian, Liv, Viggo). That doesn't explain the rest of it, because I'm pretty sure Sean Astin is next in the end credits. It took me a while (and the larger image) to figure out that the large glowing circular thingie around Frodo and Gandalf's heads was the moon, not the Ring. They really are keeping Faramir a surprise. Maybe his agent didn't do a good job. I mean, even if they are trying to pass him off as a potential baddie, you'll notice that Saruman is on the poster/in the trailer. Hmmmm. You know, after working with them for years, I have come to the conclusion that "marketing" people think differently from you and me. The TTT publicity campaign is just proving my point. :D

Oh, by the way, did you notice anything different? No, I didn't get a hair cut, I got an avatar. For a while I was afraid I'd never get there, especially when the post counter quit working for a day or so. I had a couple of "27" and "28" posts before I finally got to "30". Now I just need a good sig. Must go back and come up with a TTT useful phrase. I have one for ROTK but haven't decided on one for TTT yet. I'll have to get back to you.

Edit: Always and Forever - Elijah Wood posted a link to "clips of Ash Wednesday". Unfortunately the site is currently down. But hopefully it will be back eventually (it's ifilm), so here is the link.

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilm/product/film_multimedia/0,4470,2455556,00.html

Do you think it will have any of EW, or will it all be Ed Burns?

Edit: "Ash Wednesday" spoilers: Well, two out of three are Ed Burns but one has Elijah (and Ed Burns). I thought it was pretty good, for a one-minute movie. We find out that Sean was sent out of town by big bro "for his own good" and that his wife still thinks he's dead. :eek: OK, you guys, ready, set, research!

P.S. Thanks, deluby. *Smirk* You better get your avatar while you can. You never know when the site will have "difficulties", and all (or part) of your posts might be lost. Then it's back to pushing your boulder to the top again. (Gratuitous Sisyphus reference). It's happened to me before. :(

P.S.S. Is Bakshi the one with "Return of the King" or is that the other guy? You know, I saw that on TV or somewhere when I was a kid, and all I really remember is the Paths of the Dead, which at the time I thought were pretty spooky. IIRC, they were real men who had been "rotoscoped" (or whatever they call it) to look like cartoons. And some guy sang a song to connect the "action" sequences since they had left out a lot of stuff from the book. I refuse to buy/rent the thing just to see which one I am remembering. I'll go with PJ's version instead. But I suppose you could always throw lembas at the screen at the bad parts. Someone said Boromir was a Viking in one of them? I don't remember that part!

Congratulations Louise!!! http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/clap.gif You beat me to that. http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/notfair.gif :D
Oh wait, I think this is my 31st post which means I'll be able to have an avatar too after I hit "reply". woohoo! :D

I'm in the middle of watching the bakshi version of LOTR for the first time. :eek: :D It just got to the TTT part and I'm already going http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/spit.gif http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/nothappy.gif and http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/mad.gif at the same time. Hope I don't go http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/banghead.gif at the end.


yesss, got an avatar!! :D

Yay! deluby has an avatar! A nice one, too. I can't figure out what scene that is from. :confused:

This really doesn't have anything to do with anything we've been talking about, but I'd love to see some screencaps from the TTT preview bit on the DVD, where Frodo says, "The Ring cannot save Gondor; it can only destroy!" Or something like that. You know the part I mean? The way he looks in that scene just blew me away when I first saw it, and I had to go back and watch it again. And again. And maybe once more. :D

Is it December yet?

Here you go BunnieBugs :) I love this shot too, unbelievable! I might as well do a gif of that sequence after I'm done with the movie itself. ;)

http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/PDVD_571.jpg


And thank you for giving me an excuse to get the Bakshi LOTR DVD out of my DVD-ROM. :D

My avatar is from the scene right after Frodo come out of the rocks where he was hinding from the crebain. Since most of the 'common' good ones are taken, I tend to look for some unusual and hard to notice ones. ;)



--Edit--
OK I just finished Bakshi's LOTR and OH MY GOD, WHAT HAVE THEY DONE WITH SAM???!! :mad: They totally ruined his character. :( Bless you PJ! :k
Frodo was ok but sometimes I found him too happy. :rolleyes:
The way they mix real human action with cartoon was interesting but most of the time the movement looks really weird. And at some point I just wish they would stand still for a second.
Oh and flight to ford of Bruinen: when Aragorn and hobbits sense someone was coming their way I was thinking: "Alright, finally get a chance to see Glorfindel..." and then Aragorn yells:"Legolas!" :eek: I was like:"Whaat??" :rolleyes:
Balrog, hmmm, when I saw him with those wings I immediately thought of the Victoria Secret model wearing lingerie and a pair of huge white angel wings on their back. :eek: :D Is there something wrong with me?? http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/huh.gif

The whole atomsphere was pretty dark(which is good), no wonder I couldn't find it anywhere in Family section in any Blockbuster stores. They only have Hobbit and Return of the King in that section. (I saw it in Sci-Fi section in Hollywood Video by chance at the end.) It's definitely darker than Rankin Bass'(or whatever the name is) Return of the King. I saw that for the first time too a couple weeks ago. The Whip Song sequence had me ROTFLMAO. A very catchy song indeed, still can remember it. :rolleyes:

OK now I gotta pop THE lotr dvd back into the DVD-ROM and get those awful images out of my head. :p
Oh and tomorrow(Halloween) is PJ's B-day!! Woohoo! :D


--Edit 2---
Almost forgot today's gif. :p
All rivendell ones this time. Something I noticed while doing screencaps: Frodo blinks(natural blink) about 4-5 times at Council of Elrond, and ALL of them are half-blinks. hmmm... http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/magnify.gif

1. Frodo's painful reaction when Gimli strikes the ring.
---edit---need space for new gifs, so COE sequence ones are deleted.

2. The headache afterwards.

3. This one here I think it's when Elrond says "Only there can it be unmade."

4. Here's one of the half-blink.

5. Another half-blink. When Boromir says:"The great EYE."


These 5 are in sequence so you can watch them in order and it'll look like a little movie. Enjoy! Mines of Moria tomorrow, found a gem there. ;)

My 2 cents on that beautiful poster.......ARRGH! Arwen is bigger than Legolas, for Eru's sake! I mean, how many frickin' Orcs did she kill?!!

They are still trying to cater to the "young man" crowd they were so sure would be their biggest audience. :rolleyes: GET A CLUE!!

grumble, grumble, grumble. Bet she never planted so much as a garden, either. Legolas beautified all of Ithilien for the Race of Man before he sailed away - and Sam replanted half the Shire.

Okay, maybe I'm done now. grumble, grumble, grumble.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

And where the 'ell are Merry and Pippin?! They had just a little bit to do with the success of the War of the Ring. grumble, grumble, grumble.

Okay, now I'm really done. For this post, anyway. ;)

Louise: The Bakshi film covers FOTR and about half of TTT; the Rankin-Bass film covers ROTK. And yes, Boromir is depicted as a miniskirted Viking.

http://www.thegremlin.com/BAKSHI/12696bk.JPG

Incidentally, for those who have never seen the Bakshi film (or, like me, saw it years ago as a kid and can only vaguely remember it), there's a truly hilarious review of it here. (http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/bakshi/bakshi.htm)

Originally posted by deluby
And thank you for giving me an excuse to get the Bakshi LOTR DVD out of my DVD-ROM. :D
Don't tell me I'm going to have to fetch Ezzie over from Brandy Hall so we can do our defense of the Bakshi movie! It does have some positives (mostly due to being truer to the book--includes the Conspiracy, etc.)! As far as the animation, etc., you have to remember it was made well over 20 years ago (and, yes, I saw it three times in the theater as a young ;) adult and some of the special effects were amazing at that time, believe it or not). We've actually done an entire thread on what's good about the movie over at CoE--you r-e-a-l-l-y don't want to make us do that here, do you :eek: ? (And regarding not finding it in the family section--ROTFL--what Bakshi's most famous for, of course, is creating the first X-rated animated movie--no, not LotR) And, yes, RotK ("Where There's a Whip" etc.) is from Rankin-Bass.

Almost forgot today's gif. :p
All rivendell ones this time. Something I noticed while doing screencaps: Frodo blinks(natural blink) about 4-5 times at Council of Elrond, and ALL of them are half-blinks. hmmm...

1. Frodo's painful reaction when Gimli strikes the ring.

Edit: I'm editing some of the following paragraph now that the entire gif's downloaded and I can see just what frames are there.

It must have been at CoE that we had the editing discussion on that sequence. deluby, looks like you found the same thing I did in the frame-by-frame: two separate sequences of Frodo's reaction that seem to blend into one? The second is definitely not a continuation of the first, because it starts from a calm face, just like the first one. And preceding both of them were four frames of the Eye, each in a different color. Those three seem to come together to form that reaction moment. IIRC, the discussion came to the conclusion that editing the pieces of film together wouldn't have been technically difficult, but knowing exactly what to edit together would take a lot of skill. With no knowledge of editing at all, I just thought it was incredible!

(Extremely, very broad, blatant hint :o : It would be really interesting to have gifs of those two Frodo reaction sequences with the second one immediately below the first so they could be seen at the same time :) . Of course, I'm saying that in my ignorance of even knowing whether that would be possible, but, again, it's something I wished I could have done with my screencaps when we were talking about it but couldn't, so having your superior technology would add a whole new dimension to the discussion.)

Congrats to Louise and deluby on reaching avatar status (c'mon, Luthiea, you can do it! :) ). And whover said to grab it while you can (or words to that effect) is right--at CoE, when we had to start from scratch after the fall of Imladris, the bar for getting an avatar and title were set really low the first few days, but then were raised. That was when I was learning to make avatars, and so I used a title that was a joke on not being able to get one to work. Well, I finally got my avatar right, but then when I tried to change my title found out the bar had been raised to 100 posts and 100 days--so I'm stuck with that joke until sometime in December (right above my lovely--well, IMHO :D -- avatar!) BTW, Louise, I get a little jolt each time I see yours, because it's made from the same or almost the same shot as mine at CoE, although they're done a bit differently from each other.

Also responding to Louise: I was just watching the credits again last night (and the last two thirds of the movie--nice thing about having it at home is that I don't have to wait until I have a full three hours free, well, make that four hours including travel time to the theater and back). And, yes, the order you've listed for the top five cast members is right. Of course, that's for FotR and the poster is supposed to be for TTT--mightn't they have slightly different cast listings? (oooh, those British words I learn around here do come in handy sometimes ;) )

And speaking of haircuts--looks to me like Frodo had one before that poster was made :) .

Originally posted by Carleenya
They are still trying to cater to the "young man" crowd they were so sure would be their biggest audience. GET A CLUE!!
Carly, maybe that's the audience they realize they still have to entice :p ! (Probably not, but...)

Vita--Such esoteric humor :p ! I didn't know one of the Lays ads featured Mr. Quayle. I did catch that you meant the "potatoe" as a joke, though, and of course I immediately thought of Mr. Quayle--just didn't know the connection to the ad. (Haven't managed to see those, yet.)

I just wanted to add that I am also disappointed with that TT poster. No Merry and Pippin, small Sam and Gollum (and ten miles away from Frodo), and the overall composition is not very pleasing. However, I'm not too concerned that this poster reflects the film very accurately. I remember when I first saw the FOTR poster, I thought Frodo looked very dark and evil, and wondered if he'd be portrayed that way in the film, which he wasn't. I think these posters are made to cater to the masses of people who have never read the books (for example, people who may be drawn in by Arwen, or who can't tell the hobbits apart), and may not have very much to do with the actual films.

I also think the Bakshi film is decent, but I tell you, I'm with Deluby - Sam's characterization pretty much ruined it for me. I love Sam dearly, and he seemed like such a whiny pathetic little oaf in that film! Very annoying. I did like Frodo and Gollum's characterization, though, and the story itself was pretty well written. And the mix of animation and live action was visually interesting. I've never seen the Rankin-Bass film, even though I have it! I also have their version of the Hobbit, and haven't watched it yet either. I need to get with it!

Originally posted by ainon
It's taking ages for my browser to load images. :( That's why I haven't been at Hobmom's thread for so long. I can never get the pages in that thread to load fully.


Just a thought - don't have time for a real post right now - but at CoE you could reset the number of posts to a page. Maybe if you dropped it down to 10 posts a page the whole thing would load for you? You know you have to see the knee pic if someone ever locates it for Hobmom! ;) :D

Sheryl

Originally posted by Luthiea
...one of her friends walked out of the cinema halfway through! :eek:

OME… I can’t believe that! Sorry, but I hope your friend is nothing like her! Ariel wonders what kind of person could walk out on FOTR!!!!

I suppose, if you were a really strict purist, it would bother you… but… man! I can’t even imagine! Shudder

Originally posted by Luthiea
... Check out how, after shaking hands with Elijah, Ozzie wipes his hand down his trousers! What a cheek - if it'd been me I'd never have washed my hand again!

Well, EW himself has admitted he has very sweaty feet… and I would hazard a guess his hands are probably a bit that way too… nervous nelly.. I mean, look at those fingernails! While I wouldn’t wash my hand either, I can probably see where Ozzie might not be so inclined. :p

I don’t much mind the new poster, but somebody must really like Livarwen… I can’t see it myself! :rolleyes: Whatever… at least they have hobbits on the poster… from the first few trailers I was becoming worried!

FTR – I am not HORRIBLY opposed to Bakshi, but I agree Sam was horrible… I didn’t find him half as offensive as Boromir or Aragorn though…(haremites will recall the ‘elfstones’ discussion :eek:) and the haircuts on ALL the hobbits made me cringe… late 70’s dos…. Ick! While I didn’t hate it (and DID hate the RB production… shudder!) it certainly didn’t inspire me in the slightest… not like PJ’s work! :D

Ariel

Oh, deluby, thank you for that picture! He looks so incredibly amazing... intense, desperate, feral... It absolutely gives me the shivers! Thank you, thank you!


I've heard of people walking out of FOTR. In some cases, it was ultra-purists that just couldn't stomach it. In other cases, it was people who didn't know the story, but for whatever reason, they just didn't like it. :eek: Maybe they're the type that just don't like fantasy, although in my mind, this film transcends that genre... But whatever the case, it does seem strange that anyone could dislike it enough to walk out. I've only ever done that once in my life, that I can recall.

I saw the Bakshi version a couple of times when it first came out, and sort of liked it. But in retrospect, I think it was just the excitement of the attempt by someone to adapt it for the screen. I didn't find it very satisfying, but I was thrilled with the attempt. Does that make sense? I even joined the fanclub! I came across the vintage 1978 "Frodo Lives" button that came with membership a couple of months ago, and I've been wearing it on my coat ever since! But I have absolutely no desire to ever see the thing again. I'm way too happy with PJ's version to bother.

No time right now, but just wanted to ask: did anyone else have an opinion about the "Ash Wednesday" clip?

Louise, I had a look at all 3 clips. Based on that, I would say that Sean and Grace certainly looked like an unusual film couple - she definitely looks older and more mature than him. But I must say I quite like that. It's refreshing to see people and couples being portrayed somewhat to the side of the standard accepted "Hollywood" norm.

However, in the EW clip, it did seem to me at first glance that he underplays emotions. He speaks the "so she thinks I'm dead" line much more calmly than I think would be likely under the circumstances.... I would have expected a much more emotional and loud ".....so she thinks I'm DEAD!?!?". But maybe that's just based on another preconceived idea from most other movies; - emotions require load voice and big gestures?

Hmmm... better go watch the clip again. I still very much want to see the film.


For the record; I think that official TTT movie poster is pathetic. The ones made for the TORN poster contest some time back were *much* better than that one. Seemingly random thrown-together images of cast members, some even from the previous film..... :(

Let's hope and trust it isn't in any way indicative of the artistic quality of the film it promotes. (I know it isn't of course. Otherwise I'd really start to worry).

tgshaw--Yeah I agree there are some positive points in Bakshi's LOTR, and the live action mix was pretty effective especially during action sequences. But I can't stand the way they portrait Sam. Poor Samwise. :( It would be interesting to see how they develope him in part two though. oh well. :rolleyes: The review Gladys posted pretty much covers my complaints.
I am aware of the "Bakshi's LOTR appreciation" Thread at COE, but never wandered in, partly because I had never seen that version at the time, and also I've been shocked by pictures in "Then and Now" thread. :p Now that I've finally seen it, I might go check it out later. I do appreciate Bakshi's effort though, doing LOTR is not an easy task at all! I think they tried their best.
Originally posted by tgshaw
deluby, looks like you found the same thing I did in the frame-by-frame: two separate sequences of Frodo's reaction that seem to blend into one? Great editing choice I think, very effective. It is the only scene that I don't have to skip even one single frame while making gifs, it goes by so fast in the movie. Extremely, very broad, blatant hint :o : It would be really interesting to have gifs of those two Frodo reaction sequences with the second one immediately below the first so they could be seen at the same time :) . Great idea! Here they are. Since the first part has 6 frames while the other one has 12, I double the first part's frame display time. So they would start and finish at about the same time. And hopefully easier for comparison.(erm, if they start looping at the same time that is. :rolleyes: )
(FYI, in gif A, each frame lasts 0.40sec, and 0.20sec for the ones in gif B)

A. First part of the Frodo reaction shot posted last time in 1.
gifs deleted due to storage shortage.
B. Second part of that.


---Edit
I wasn't very impressed by the new TTT poster either. :( And thinking that the DVD cover of TTT next year will probably look like that just make me http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/bleh.gif
Although TORN has a piece of news saying it might not be the final poster, I'm not holding much hope to that. :(

As a purely cynical thought... the TTT poster is designed by OneLine to market the film. We all know that it concentrates on Frodo and Sam, Faramir, Merry and Pippin, and Aragorn and Gandalf (....depending on where they finish it).

If you want to make money, you have to encourage people to view it, so (according to them) you need to market it to the "yoof" market, including young women, so you include both men and women in the pictures (the reason for Arwen's inclusion, and the size of her picture) and then the hobbits become secondary. :(

From their perspective its logical; from ours, absolutely not!

Wouldn't we like to be flies on the wall to hear what PJ had to say about the posters??? (bet he didn't have final say, but it's one of the compromises he had to make (like the less than 3hrs version of FOTR) to get one line to finance the films) :rolleyes:

...the truth will out....(?)


and at the end of the day, the proof will be in the film itself!! (and I for one, can't wait!!!!)

viola

Originally posted by deluby
Here they are. Since the first part has 6 frames while the other one has 12, I double the first part's frame display time. So they would start and finish at about the same time. And hopefully easier for comparison.(erm, if they start looping at the same time that is. :rolleyes: )
Which they did--eventually! They load so slowly for me that I was watching the first clip "perform" for about a minute while the second one sat there on the first frame. But once they both got rolling at the same time--incredible, deluby! Thank you!! Thank you!! :cool:

I remember that we noticed when we looked at the stills that the second reaction has twice as many frames as the first one, and that its emotion is a bit more restrained. It almost seems like it should be the background, with the first clip being the action superimposed on it--but can the background come first? I have no idea--the whole thing just freaks me out. It was freaky enough the first time I looked at it frame-by-frame and realized what was happening--seeing them together is even freakier (in a good way ;) ). One thing I noticed watching the two of them together was that, although the mouth and even the head placement differ between the two, the eyes seem to be closed or opened at the same time. Is it possible that that's one reason our brains put the two reactions together as one event--because the eyes are "synchronized"? Just too strange and too... :cool: :cool: for words!

Is there such a thing as a Froshadowing from FotR to TTT? When that Taiwanese banner was posted, one of the first things I noticed was that I recognized that determined, slightly off-center set of the jaw:

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/CoE/tttflag-frodo0.jpg

As Frodo's moving into "determined" as he stands on the riverback:

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/CoE/cap552.jpg

I don't know if any one else even sees it, but I'd been so intrigued with that slight change as he becomes determined in FotR that it kind of jumped out at me from the banner.

originally from tg I recognized that determined, slightly off-center set of the jaw:


yes, I thought exactly the same thing. And that the poster conveys trepidation and determination at the same time.
The left side of his face looks stoic, the right side looks worried. Its that left/right thing again... :D

I really like this poster: resolute Fro.

I don't like what Bunniebugs calls the feral pic. Ugh. Feral is right. For me this is just too far off the "normal" image of Frodo for me to feel comfortable with it and it looks a bit over dramatic. (and horribly like Joan Collins on a bad hair day ;) )But since stills and moving images are very different things I will keep a more or less open mind til TTT.

Yes the New Line poster is probably an exercise in marketing cynicism. But I still think Sam should be more prominent. He and Frodo are virtually a unit, acting in tandem, by TTT and the poster should at least hint at this?

TORN posted a link to the TTT trailer music. Someone created a 6:43min piece by blending the original RFAD soundtrack with the music ripped from the trailer, then filling in the gaps. The orchestrated TTT piece starts at 2:25min mark. Very very cool!!
http://www.ajaxprojection.com/ajaxprojection_requiem_lotr_cover.mp3

There are lower quality .wma and .rm versions also.
(the Requiem of the Rings one)http://www.ajaxprojection.com/audio.htm


War of the Ring posted a FOTR:SE DVD commercial video. It's 4.02MB in file size and 1min long. Has a shot of frodo in Lothlorien.
Here http://www.warofthering.net/downloads/movietrailers/lotr_60.mpeg

***edit***
Here's a screencap of that shot. And gif of the shot.

----EDIT---those pictures below are deleted.

Originally posted by Cadmo
I don't like what Bunniebugs calls the feral pic. Ugh. Feral is right. For me this is just too far off the "normal" image of Frodo for me to feel comfortable with it and it looks a bit over dramatic. (and horribly like Joan Collins on a bad hair day ;) )But since stills and moving images are very different things I will keep a more or less open mind til TTT.
When I first saw a still from this scene, I wasn't sure about it either; it was a bit too freaky. :eek: But, after seeing it on the DVD and recognizing the context for it, it seems entirely appropriate that he should look that way.

Judging by what he is saying, this scene occurs sometime after Frodo and Sam have been taken by Faramir's men. The wildness and desperation of his demeanor are understandable in his situation, and I found the brief glimpse of this scene to be very gripping.

But you're right; there is nothing we can do but wait until December to see if it plays well in the film. ;)

Hi. I'm new to this thread. And I have some Pics from WireImage. Their are from the New Line After Party at the Golden Globe Awards. I don't have access to WireImage, so the pics are small.



http://64.14.51.245/images/thumbnail/327477.jpg

http://64.14.51.245/images/thumbnail/327486.jpg

http://64.14.51.245/images/thumbnail/327480.jpg

http://64.14.51.245/images/thumbnail/327596.jpg

http://64.14.51.245/images/thumbnail/327583.jpg

http://64.14.51.245/images/thumbnail/327587.jpg

http://64.14.51.245/images/thumbnail/327599.jpg


There are many more.

Hi Starlight, welcome to the obssessives!!! Nice pics! (small is good- downloads quick ;) )

Bunniebugs- if I watch the movie and change my mind re the feral pic I'll shout you a (virtual) glass of wine.:D Gotta admit though, I'm sucking my teeth even as I type this... And its not exactly EW at his best is it? (snarf)

I will maintain a professionally open mind...I will maintain a professionally open mind... I will...(yeah right).

Catching up again!

Great avatar Louise! Thank you for the reference to Sisyphus. I think I’m doomed to be forever a junior member – I never managed to get beyond that on Imladris or CoE! *sigh* Perhaps it was me hexing those sites!?

And you too deluby! I’m also deeply envious of your smilies, very cool. And I am continually bowing down before your gif offerings :)

Bunniebugs, I have another picture of that moment in the TTT clip, not sure where it came from but I think it’s from Ithilien

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/estella/tttFrodoith.jpg

He still looks wild, but not as angry. And his eyes appear as if he’s been crying. :(

The Bakshi screen cap! I recognised Frodo from tg’s previous avatar. But my heavens, what did they do to Boromir!!!!! :O

The TTT poster is very oddly composed, with characters getting smaller and smaller – there might be some confusion about just who are the hobbits, seeing that Saruman appears smaller than Frodo. :rolleyes: And I took a while to figure out that it was the moon too, I initially thought of the Palantir.

Now I must go and look at the Ash Wednesday clips!

Hello Starlight! Welcome! Thanks for the pics - who's that guy in red?

Say, estella - did you ever get around to doing those screencaps of 'The Witness'? :)

Sheryl, thanks for your suggestion. I'm loading ten posts/page now. Will see if that helps.

tg - nice juxtaposition of the poster and determined Frodo at Amon Hen. I spotted that too, and I really, really like it. I hope that that poster isn't just for Taiwan ... hope that we'll get that poster here too. :) Except that if I were to see a big ceiling banner of that Frodo outside the cinema, I don't think I'd be able to move! I'd just want to stand there and not tear my eyes away from it. :o

deluby - that gif of Frodo's shot in the DVD video is much appreciated. Is that the only Frodo bit? Because I won't be downloading the video - Fatty's site doesn't allow for 'resume downloads', and at more than 4 MB I'm not even gonna daydream that I can get it all downloaded in one night.

I've saved deluby's gifs into one folder, and I use my image viewer to screen them as a slideshow, and as each gif comes up I zoom in for a fullscreen view. It's like watching the "Best of Frodo - the FoTR collection". :) :) :)


Louise, I watched the 'Ash Wednesday' clip some time back - it does come off as being somewhat subdued. But what I remember about the clip was the way EW said, "gone". It sounded to me like "gwon". I assumed that represented the NY accent bit of his speech. :p Thanks for the WavyLays ad. Finally got it all, so I can finally see EW play football. Sorta. ;)

Btw, was it Louise or Shadow who asked for the screencap site? Do you mean Penny's site? http://www.classicxf.com/images/FOTR/


We better get used to seeing Liv Tyler - she'll be on RoTK's poster too, for sure, since she's one of the five principal actors. I'm still bugged by the fact that she's billed above Viggo Mortensen! Although the small consolation is that the Arwen image on the TTT poster is smaller than Aragorn. This all makes me all the more grateful and happy that Elijah Wood gets first billing, as he should, since he *is* Frodo Baggins. Even when the names are listed alphabetically and his name comes last, it's nice to see that his name is placed at the centre between the two columns, so that you instantly spot his name anyway. It will be interesting to see how the TTT actors will be slotted into the castlist - will they come after the fellowship actors, or are any of TTT actors 'big' enough to come in ahead of the other two hobbit boys?


I watched Bakshi's LOTR two or three times when I was kid. So long as I don't watch it again as an adult, I'm able to retain some almost-fond memories of it. My brother and I were *so* happy when we found a tape of the LOTR cartoon - we were so sure we'd stumbled on something sooo wonderful. :o I don't really remember the movie, well, I remember Frodo but then of course I'd remember Frodo. And only Frodo. :p Okay, I remember that rotoscoping effect thingy. My brother and I never found the 'sequel' to Bakshi's LOTR, despite all our searching. Thank God. :)


About half-blinking: Sean Astin does it, just once, during the "We may yet, Mr. Frodo" scene. It's like what we see Frodo doing in deluby's 'Frodo looking at Boromir during CoE' gif. EW half-blinks a few times - as he moves forward after he says, "I'm glad you're with me". I've always noticed that Frodo deliberately blinks in that scene; it's fascinating to see that those are half-blinks. Same goes with the Rivendell moment when he's walking with Sam - I'd always thought he deliberately blinks there. I remember reading a Michael Caine interview long ago, where he talked about how an older actor once told him that blinking can ruin a close-up, and so Caine practiced not blinking - he can now do long close-ups without a single blink. I wonder if EW's somehow figured out the opposite - that sometimes a deliberate blink (of half-blink) can draw the viewer's attention to him, in a good way, so that the viewer really pays attention to all the emotions he's portraying.


edit - sorry, I know my post is long enough, but I saw this at bagendinn (I keep wanting to stay away from that site, but ... :rolleyes: ) Anyway:

http://www.bagendinn.com/frodobannercrop.jpg

Pic taken by MsAllegro, Toronto Exhibit at the Royal Ontario Museum

[QUOTE] Originally posted by ainon

Hello Starlight! Welcome! Thanks for the pics - who's that guy in red?



This is John Cameron Mitchel. I don't know him.:confused:

Hi, Starlight--Thanks for the pics, and welcome :) !

Originally posted by ainon
tg - nice juxtaposition of the poster and determined Frodo at Amon Hen. I spotted that too, and I really, really like it.
Whew! I'm glad a couple of other people had spotted that, too. It's so subtle that when I had the two pics posted I was afraid it was just my imagination (which is why I added the last line about maybe no one else seeing it).

I've saved deluby's gifs into one folder, and I use my image viewer to screen them as a slideshow, and as each gif comes up I zoom in for a fullscreen view. It's like watching the "Best of Frodo - the FoTR collection". :) :) :)
Anyone who has that feature--it's a fantastic way to look at any series of screencaps, especially frame-by-frame (or almost) ones. Probably not everyone has it, as I can do it with my newer version at home but can't with the older version on my office computer. Anyone who downloaded those 22 frames of the sword coming out of Frodo's shoulder, if you have the slide slow option... what can I say? Just do it :eek: ! (I took those shots down from the CoE thread because I was running out of room at Image Magician, but could delete some other stuff and put them back up temporarily if anyone still wants them.) The way his body moves up with the blade and then back is almost impossible to see in a series of stills posted one under the other, but is amazing to watch in the slide slow mode.

Thanks for the WavyLays ad. Finally got it all, so I can finally see EW play football. Sorta. ;)
Preparation for The Ice Storm? ;) :D

We better get used to seeing Liv Tyler - she'll be on RoTK's poster too, for sure, since she's one of the five principal actors.
I'm hoping there will be lots of emphasis on Eowyn in the RotK publicity. People will know who she is after seeing TTT, and most of her "big scenes" come in RotK. Not that she'll knock Liv out of the running, but at least they'll have another good-looking female to picture if they're trying to pull in the young guys by that route.

Interesting question (which I accidentally deleted from the quote :o ) about the way the TTT actors will be placed in the cast list. Anyone who's just in that movie could get the Boromir treatment--e.g., listed as "featured" so they get a good bit of notice but aren't in the regular list. But the only character I can think of that might appear only in TTT is Wormtongue. IIRC, all the other "important" characters who get introduced in TTT are also in RotK. Of course, Wormtongue would, too, if the book were followed, but from what we've heard so far I'm betting we'll see him in only the one movie.


My brother and I never found the 'sequel' to Bakshi's LOTR, despite all our searching.
There isn't one. Contrary to some rumors, it did make money, just not as much as the studio wanted in order to fund the second half (funding was cut even during the making of the first one, which is noticeable in the quality of the animation as it gets closer to the end). The Rankin-Bass RotK is not a sequel to the Bakshi movie, although I'm wondering if Zaentz didn't license it in an attempt to fill in the gap.

About half-blinking: Sean Astin does it, just once, during the "We may yet, Mr. Frodo" scene... I wonder if EW's somehow figured out the opposite - that sometimes a deliberate blink (of half-blink) can draw the viewer's attention to him, in a good way, so that the viewer really pays attention to all the emotions he's portraying.
Okay--I'll have to check out that scene to see Sean Astin's half-blink. Part of me wanted never to find another actor who does it, so it would be uniquely Elwood's, but most of me figured there had to be some others out there who used it. Still have the question as to whether it's something purposeful or comes naturally when the actor is being "watchful," which Sam certainly would be at that moment. (Of course, the next step is to watch Sean in other "watchful Sam" moments. Research just keeps opening up new questions :) !)

And about the blinking at Rivendell--when I first made screencaps of that series of shots, I remember joking about the people who complained about EW's "deer in the headlights" look and who said he never blinked throughout the entire movie, because it took me three tries to get a screencap of him there with his eyes open. I'd say he not only uses it to draw people into the emotion, but that he uses it as part of the portrayal of specific emotions or "atmospheres." In those shots Frodo's thoughtful, probably still tired and not quite "recovered"--possibly still not too sure what's happened to him and what situation he's in now. And from the cinematography notes on that bit, we know it's supposed to come across as dreamlike. Perfect time for blinks, IMHO!

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It's a bit later, but since mine is still the last post, this is an edit.

If I post some nice piccies as a peace offering, will everyone just shut up about Bakshi already? :rolleyes: Sorry--I'm in a bad mood. My first day back at the blue place and I've gotten a warning already--It's all Sheryl's fault, of course ;) :p ! She just had to start talking about Matisse! Nudity's nudity it seems, even in impressionistic art, so linking to a site with Matisse paintings is a no-no. Wonder what would happen if I tried Michaelangelo's David :eek: ? (Honestly, I can understand that it'd be hard to draw the line any other way. It just never entered my mind...)

Anyway, on to a more pleasant, if only slightly angsty topic: While getting that "determined" shot from the river bank, there was something that I think I've been seeing subconsciously but never actually put words to before. When Frodo's turning and getting ready to move toward the boat, the camera goes with him. He doesn't move--the background does. Which makes perfect sense, since it's not the background we want to keep in focus. These aren't exactly frame-by-frame, but I think enough to show the process. Notice that the trees are blurred during the movement, so the audience gets every bit of those changing emotions. (BTW, I thought it was kind of interesting that, as he moves more into profile, Frodo starts looking a lot more like Elijah Wood ;) Must be the angle.)

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/CoE/cap555.jpg

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/CoE/cap557.jpg

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/CoE/cap560.jpg

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/CoE/cap562.jpg

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/CoE/cap563.jpg

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/CoE/cap564.jpg

And then another not-quite-blink:

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/CoE/cap565.jpg

Re the blinking in Rivendell: Is he blinking because he was nearly brushed from a tree branch, or is he blinking because PJ told him to? Because, not to go into detail, that single eye-blink is very swoony. Not to mention the slow motion.

There are several classic eye acting techniques. The most famous is to look down slightly with your eyes mostly closed, then, as you're moving your head to look upwards, open your eyes slowly at the same time. Actresses in old movies used this all the time to look swoony -- it was very plausible because she had to look down to be sad and then had to look up her tall leading man. PJ uses it with both Aragorn and Arwen on the bridge, extensively.

And Josh Lucas's character uses it to great effect in Sweet Home Alabama, but I won't go into that here :p

EW was told to do this just as Pippin says "Baggins" in Bree. It's effective even when not in a romanticized sense. This technique works particularly well with EW because of his Eye color -- when he looks upwards it's rather a shock to go from his dark bangs and pale eyelids to the blue Eyes like that. Everybody is taller than a hobbit so he has to look up a lot. Also, the looking-down, and looking-slightly-up head motions are entirely Camera Angle #1, his swoony angle. I expect to see more Eye action in the upcoming movies.

BTW, I do like that wild shot of Frodo in Ithilien. It matches well with a similar shot from the Calendar, which darnit I don't have at my fingetips.

Originally posted by tgshaw
Okay--I'll have to check out that scene to see Sean Astin's half-blink. Part of me wanted never to find another actor who does it, so it would be uniquely Elwood's, ...

I know what you mean, tg. :) Sean's half-blink is something that happens incidentally though, and I'm wondering if all of us do indeed do this half-blinking thing under such circumstances, only of course we never see it! Just before the half-blink, Sean does a full blink. It's the moment where he goes from looking straight ahead (at that Mordor vista) to Frodo - you can see the eyeballs shift beneath the eyelids. The fact that Sean blinks at all would have gone totally unnoticed if I hadn't been watching at half-speed.

In the Frodo-Boromir confrontation scene, Sean Bean blinks fully a couple of times but I never noticed; whereas I've always remembered how Frodo blinks his eyes (even before Narya's discovery about the half-blinks).

There's this quote from PJ:

from Reel.com interview
His (Elijah's) eyes are just so expressive. More than any other actor I've ever worked with, he's able to express a lot of emotion just in his eyes, which is why there are so many close-ups of Frodo in the movie.

Perhaps the way Elijah knows when is the perfect moment to blink is just as significant as the emotion in he's able to show in his eyes. While he's crying at river bank, he doesn't blink at all. And during the close-up for that single tear after Gandalf's fall in Moria, he doesn't blink either.

Thanks Ainon, for the screencap site. The site I remember had blue background to all the pics, and it was set up with one pic to a page, so that you could hit the arrow to go to the next "scene". I'm sure someone will post from it sooner or later, and I'll find it again.

It's going to be so great from now until December. I feel like a little kid. Have you ever seen a toddler so excited they can't keep still--they sort of bounce in their seats and laugh. That's almost how I feel when a cool new pic or clip or toy or anything else comes out. I just hope that there is plenty of Frodo and Sam in TTT, or I shall be quite displeased. :mad:

Well, lunch is over so I'd better get back to work. I'll be back this evening for additional comments. Great pics, everyone. Keep 'em coming. :)

Originally posted by ainon
Sean's half-blink is something that happens incidentally though, and I'm wondering if all of us do indeed do this half-blinking thing under such circumstances, only of course we never see it!
If we're trying to connect this to the microexpression theory, that's exactly what it would be--something we do in a watchful situation without realizing we're doing it. The question is whether EW becomes the character so much that he subconsciously does what the character would do subconsciously under the same circumstances. That would lead into the idea we've talked about that one of the reasons his acting is so natural is that he doesn't think about each of these tiny things--he just does them.

Knowing what Sean said about sometimes feeling like Elijah's protector on set--being afraid he'd get hurt, etc.--maybe his half-blinks are natural, too, but coming from Sean's watchfulness rather than Sam's :) . But, then, Sean also said those feelings helped him identify with Sam, so maybe the reactions belong to character and actor together :) .

Louise, is this the site you mean? Elijah Wood Fan Network (http://www.ewfn.org/english/index.php) They have a ton of pictures, but they don't let you link to them or even save them (although I kind of found a way around that by emailing the page to myself. I'm kind of slow. :rolleyes: ).

I have nothing deep or enlightening to add to the discussion, but I will thank estella for that second "feral Frodo" picture. It is a bit more flattering, I think, though I love them both. Interesting that Prim had such an opposite reaction. I can't quite explain the attraction it has for me... I think it's partly the angry desperation that comes across in the clip. It just haunts me.

Ooooohhhh, thanks, Bunniebugs, that could be the one. Although it looks like they've changed it around some since I last saw it. I don't remember the "film clips" part. E-mail a page, huh? What would I do without the Faculty to teach me new stuff? Thanks again. :)

P.S. Did I ever tell you that your name always makes me think of a dyslexic wabbit? :D

P.S. Did I ever tell you that your name always makes me think of a dyslexic wabbit?

LOL! Yup. That's me! I came by the name sort of by accident, trying to find something that wasn't already taken. And now I'm sort of stuck with it! :p But at least it's unique, and whenever I join a new forum, I'm never told that it's already taken, and people know me when they see me (for better or for worse!). So, that part is kinda nice!

Originally posted by tgshaw
Anyone who downloaded those 22 frames of the sword coming out of Frodo's shoulder, if you have the slide slow option... what can I say? Just do it :eek: ! (I took those shots down from the CoE thread because I was running out of room at Image Magician, but could delete some other stuff and put them back up temporarily if anyone still wants them.) The way his body moves up with the blade and then back is almost impossible to see in a series of stills posted one under the other, but is amazing to watch in the slide slow mode.

YES PLEASE TG!!! I can't do animations, but like you, I've noticed how you get that 'moving' effect in the slide show mode, if you click quickly enough. It's great. I'm sure some of the newer posters would love to see those pics. EW's acting there is superb! Such realism!

Re the blinking. I love that scene in Lothlorien when the Fellowship first meet Galadriel. Frodo looks absolutely stunning here. And there's a 'blink' to add to the collection.

First this: http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/Lothlorien1.JPG

This is when Galadriel is talking about Gandalf - 'he has fallen into shadow.' Look at that expression!

Now the blink:

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/Lothlorien2.JPG

'Top' of blink. This is when Galadriel is telling the company, 'Rest - you are weary with grief..'

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/Lothlorien3.JPG

'Mid' blink.

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/Lothlorien4.JPG

'Bottom' of blink. I don't think his eyes are quite shut there.

This would be a good sequence for deluby to tackle with her wonderful animation. (HINT HINT!:)) He blinks quite slowly here - it's almost dreamlike.

And two more. At the end of this scene, when Frodo hears Galadriel communicating with him through her thoughts, while she is actually speaking to the others.

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/Lothlorien5.JPG

and

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/Lothlorien6.JPG

The last pic is when Galadriel is saying, '...one who has seen The Eye.' Frodo's lips part slightly in surprise/shock - the same subtle reaction he displayed at the birthday party when Bilbo disappeared.

Btw Tg - loved your screencaps of determined Frodo on the river bank. I could watch that scene for hours - talk about microexpresssions - how many actors could convey such emotion without uttering a word?

Starlight - welcome to The Faculty Lounge. Hope you decide to stay with us.

deluby - LOL at your smilies re the Bakshi LOTR. Oh, and congrats on your avatar - you too, Louise!

Luthiea - Hi. I enjoyed that chat EW had with the Comedy Channel. Doesn't he seem 'normal' - not wanting to be referred to as a 'big movie star'. Bless!

Was it you, Luthiea, who said you know someone who walked out of the cinema while FOTR was showing!!! IS SHE MAD? It reminds me of earlier this year, when I was itching for another viewing at our local Showcase. Hubby had been with me three times, and wasn't up to a fourth trip. My cousin, who is ten years older than I am, but normally has the same taste in books etc as me, happened to say she wouldn't mind going to see LOTR, and asked me what it was about. 'Well,' I began, full of enthusiasm. 'It's about a hobbit called Frodo Baggins. (Here I explain that Hobbits are about three and a half feet tall, with pointy ears and furry feet). Frodo inherits The One Ring, which contains great power and evil. He is charged with the task of taking the ring into the land of Mordor, where its creator, the dark lord Sauron, is gathering a great force in order to conquer Middle Earth. Frodo must destroy the ring by casting it into the Cracks of Doom, but it is a heavy burden, and his journey is beset with danger. He is helped by his hobbit friends Sam, Merry and Pippin, a wizard called Gandalf, Aragorn - a ranger, Boromir - a man of Gondor, a dwarf and an elf.'

What was her response? - 'Sounds daft to me.'
I could have given her a good trouting! I was mortified!

:eek: :eek: :eek:

DAFT???!!! One of the great literary masterpieces of our time - DAFT???!!!

Needless to say, I took our twelve-year old niece, who was much more appreciative!

On that note, I think that's all for now.

See you soon. Bye.

Originally posted by BunnieBugs
Louise, is this the site you mean? Elijah Wood Fan Network (http://www.ewfn.org/english/index.php) They have a ton of pictures, but they don't let you link to them or even save them (although I kind of found a way around that by emailing the page to myself. I'm kind of slow. :rolleyes: ). Oh yes there is a way to save them/link them. ;) NOTHING stops the Faculty member!! hehehehe http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/mischievous.gif I think it was back in March when I came across that site while hunting for Oscar pics. If I had known you were looking for a way to save those pics, I would have post this back then. But better late than never right?
Here's how:
Take this one for example: http://www.ewfn.org/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=LOTR&id=aac
the actual image url is http://www.ewfn.org/gallery/albums/LOTR/aac.sized.jpg
http://www.ewfn.org/gallery/albums/LOTR/aac.sized.jpg


So the basic url formula is
http://www.ewfn.org/gallery/albums/[albumname]/.sized.jpg
I would suggest you save it to local computer and upload to imagemagician instead of direct link to EWFN, don't wanna add pressure to their bandwidth. They provide us all those great images after all.
Note: when saving the pic, you might need to add .jpg in the "Save as" column.

Hope that helps! :D

p.s. If anyone wants to save a video or image stuff like that from some website, but can't find a way, please let me know. I would like to give it a try. Of course I can't guarantee anything for sure, but I love challenge like that. :p


Gif coming up soon.

---edit---[i]Originally posted by BLOSSOM
This would be a good sequence for deluby to tackle with her wonderful animation. (HINT HINT!:)) He blinks quite slowly here - it's almost dreamlike.Oh yes, that one is definitely on the must-do list. :p I'm at moria right now, so that one will be here in the next couple of days.
Originally posted by ainon
deluby - that gif of Frodo's shot in the DVD video is much appreciated. Is that the only Frodo bit? Yeah, ainon, that's the only frodo bit that we haven't seen before.


***edit: gifs below are deleted due to storage shortage, PM me if you would like to see it again. ****
Gif of the day:
1. This one here is a GREAT surprise for me, I don't know about you ladies, but I had never notice how beautiful this shot was when watching the movie in theaters, again, I blame it on the scene being short and going too fast. :p

2. This one is when Frodo sees Gandalf being drag down by Balrog's whip and yells "GANDALF!!!"

3. Frodo's heartbreaking "NOOOOOOO" after Gandalf's fall.

4. Frodo outside Moria griefing for Gandalf.
Frankly I don't see the point of making a gif out of that scene, mainly because I had to cut the original 300+ frames down to 20+ frames(:eek: ) to make a reasonable sized animation while the sequence in the movie is already slow and beautiful enough for us to study and admire. I think this is the one that suffer the most from size limitation. http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/shrug.gif But at the end I did it anyway. :rolleyes:



Oh and HAPPY BIRTHDAY PJ!!!! :k http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/happybday.gif
Do you think he'll give out gifts in hobbit fashion? :D

deluby! You're a genius! Oh, where is that "not worthy" smiley when I need it? Once again I bow before your prowess with the images...

I just went to that website and tried the formula you laid out, and it worked! *does the happy, hoppy dance around the room* I am in your debt!

{{{{deluby}}}}

O, happy day!

About Fro pictures from the film(s)…

Thank you tg, for those posts with caps from the riverbank scene. You may know that the haremites talk of harem syncronizity…. I think something similar is going on in the Faculty. Lately, life has been quite stressful, and I have several times slipped the DVD in the player *specifically* to watch that riverbank scene.

It just completely arrests attention…….. To me the scene serves as a wonderful means of de-stressing and focusing on positives. All elements contribute to the total: The subdued calm colours, grey-green and brown, the outer peacefulness and immobility in the scene contrasted with the inner turmoil and those amazing tear-filled eyes, the knowledge of what Frodo’s decision means for him, Gandalf’s words of wisdom, ….. and of course the fact that Frodo looks unbelievably and unearthly beautiful there.
(I hope this does not sound totally weird…. :o )

Deluby, I continue to be amazed by your gifs – they are such fantastic treats. The last ones, perhaps especially the Moria one - it's beautiful!! - and Blossom’s lovely caps, remind me there are many other scenes on level with the riverbank scene. :)

That beautiful angelic pic from the TTT trailer (the Osgiliath scene) has the same impact also, but it flies past all too fast in the trailer. I hope that total scene lasts longer in the actual film.


As for the “feral” pic, I totally loved it the first time I saw it, and I still do. Poor Frodo, so very desperate, on the verge of crying, angry, frightened, trying his best to be persuasive….. I really like the scene it is taken from in the TTT preview too.

I agree about the “bad hair day”, though. :D I’m wondering a bit about that. From pictures I’ve seen it seems pretty obvious that he’s wearing several wigs throughout TTT, and the length of the hair varies. Given that the timeline of the film covers less than one month, perhaps the various wigs are used to help convey state of mind and moods, rather than plain continuity “realism”?


And on the continued note of commenting on beautiful Frodo pics posted:

from tg:
If I post some nice piccies as a peace offering, will everyone just shut up about Bakshi already? So gabbing away about Bakshi is the way to make you post nice piccies? :D There’ll be no end of posts now about garden gnome Sam and Aragorn the native American! No, I won’t go on, except for one thing: From Estella Rose
But my heavens, what did they do to Boromir!!!!! Well, let’s just be glad Frodo and Sam never made it to Ithilien in that film. Imagine how Faramir would have looked…...:eek: :eek: It would have *hurt* to see Faramir of all people portrayed like a hippie Viking in part-drag.

Btw,I have never seen the Rankin Bass RotK, and I don’t plan to ever watch it either. I’ve seen pictures from it and those were *more* than enough. However, I’d like to hear that “Where there’s a whip, there’s a way” song. I don’t entirely think I will believe it really excists until I’ve heard it for myself. Anyone know of a link to where it can be heard online?

And just think; - *that* scene has been filmed for “our” RotK! In all its horror, pain and angst!! Frodo and Sam stumbling along among the foul orcs, Frodo on the verge of collapsing, looking defeat in the eye; – yet another one of those scenes I can’t wait to see in RotK. Then again, there aren’t any scenes in that film I’m *not* looking forward to. :rolleyes: It may well be the most emotionally draining film of a lifetime.

I am sure there’s heaps of other things I should have commented on….. no time now. Except for this:

Hi, Starlight! :)


Edit: Oh, of course I want to say happy birthday to PJ too!! :)

Dear, dear Colleagues: what a week! But it looks like I might have a minute (right, try hour?) to try and catch up with you all. Gabby doesn’t begin to cover it. We are positively loquacious! ;)

Congrats on the new avatars Louise and deluby! Yaay! And tg, I can’t keep up with your Frodo of the day changes. You are a marvel!

Put me down as down on the TTT poster. :rolleyes: Who do they think they are kidding? And who did they get to design that thing, anyway? If it weren’t for Frodo right at the top it would be downright ugly! Thank God Frodo saves it for them.

Yes, the Wavy Lays commercials included one with Dan (shudder) Quayle. I haven’t seen it ( or at least I can’t remember seeing it), but I do remember one of the interviews in which EW said what a nice guy Quayle is! :confused:

Speaking of generous: Elve, you do whatever you have to do about your site. It is a gift to those of us who share your enthusiasm for Frodo and Sam, but it can also be a burden. This is supposed to be fun, right? So don’t make too much work for yourself. :k

Deluby, your animations are positively hypnotic. I’m afraid I can’t tune into them too often, or I will forget to eat….

Call me weird, but I love Feral Fro. The fear, the anger, the determination all rolled into one expression. TTT will demolish me.

And Blossom, those shots of Frodo in Lothlorien, all blue and melancholy? :( Well, those were the first stills from the movie I saved. Those photos convinced me that THIS was an actor worth studying. And that quote from PJ (HAPPY BIRTHDAY!) about EW’s eyes? I think a few other directors got that idea first!

Including the director of the Faculty! I just watched it (again) tonight, go me! It was my reward after a busy week. Now, however, I laugh at inappropriate moments (like the Flagpole scene :eek: ) because our ‘research’ has warped my mind. But I wasn’t able to answer the stand-in question. It goes by too fast.

As for the Ash Wednesday clips, I must agree with the reservations that others have expressed about the film, judging from the clip I saw. The woman who plays Grace seems far too old for EW’s character. The dialogue in the scene between Francis and Sean is pedestrian to the point of boring. I’m not sure there was much EW could have done with it; if the delivery seems underplayed, Maeglian, I would blame it on Ed Burns. He wrote it, and coached the performances from the other actors. Would I buy a ticket for this movie anyway? In a heartbeat!

And Hi! to Starlight and anyone else I missed! :)

Oh gosh, so many wonderful pictures of Frodo. Blossom, I love the ones in Lothlorien. He just looks so young and shell-shocked in that scene. Some day, I would like to see what order the scenes were shot in--like which ones were done at the beginning, when Elijah was 18, and which ones were done when he was almost 20. 'Cause I swear some of the time he looks like his face is just rounder, with that little hint of baby fat still around his jaw. And then you see him practically in the next scene, and his face is all planes and angles. And impossibly blue eyes.

tg: the scene on the beach is one of the ones where his face looks thinner to me. I love your sequence, but maybe it isn't Elijah you see there at the end. Maybe it's just "serious, determined Frodo".

I can just see poor Sean Astin worrying about Elijah, especially as it looks like the poor kid lost weight at some point. Here Sean was, having to eat extra so he can be big, burly Sam, and he's watching Elijah get thinner (from things he's said, he sounds like he has the type of metabolism where it's hard for him to gain weight). Sean would probably go home and tell his wife "He doesn't eat enough and he's always full of nervous energy. What can we do to make him eat like a hobbit and gain a little weight." Heh. I suspect Sean is just the "big brother" type at heart. :)

Deluby: what can I say that hasn't already been said. Love those gifs. Keep 'em coming.

Starlight: Welcome. Take a seat. We can always use good researchers.

LADIES!!!!! LOOK HERE!

http://www.imagemagician.org/images/deluby/frodo1402.jpg


Image scaned by VGM Fusion, it's from the booklet that's avaliable to those who go to the Toronto Exhibit. More scans here http://www.vgmfusion.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=81


---edit---
Seems VGM Fusion crashed or something :confused: So I upload the pic and edit the img link.

In no particular order (because I couldn't decide if I should start at the top and work down or start at the bottom and work up... and it's been less than a day!

Thanks for the link to the write-up on the Toronto exihibit, deluby. Not only a great Frodo pic, but an encouraging report on the sets. Even though the reporter definitely comes across as a battle-lover and waxes eloquent about the Helm's Deep set, he says the best set at the exhibit was the Dead Marshes. He also mentions Henneth Annun, including the waterfall :) :) !

--and continued thanks for the gifs! I had noticed how lovely that one shot is in Moria, but the slow motion makes it even moreso--I especially liked the one just before Gandalf's fall because it really emphasizes the struggle between Frodo and Boromir.

Louise (and maybe some others?), EW certainly does look different ages in different scenes, but I don't know if we can put it all down to simple chronology. IIRC, one of the earlier scenes shot was the "Shadow of the Past" one with Gandalf and Frodo both at the table in Bag End, where he he does look younger. But I also remember that two of the first scenes filmed were the fall and "hobbit pile" after being chased by Farmer Maggot, and the interaction with the gatekeeper at Bree ("Our business is our own"), and in both of those--especially the second one--I think he looks older than in a lot of other scenes. So whether some of it is weight gain or loss, or hair difference (such as his hair being plastered to his head in the scene with the gatekeeper, which IMHO brings out the angles in his face), lighting, or other things, it's hard to know. For some reason it seems to me Frodo almost always looks on the young side when in a scene with Gandalf. This could be chronology, especially if Sir Ian was in NZ for only part of the filming (which I don't know). But I also wonder if some of it isn't camera angle. To be perfectly technical ;) , it's probably a bunch of those things all mixed up together!

On the "feral" pics--I do like the second one better than the first, partly because I think it gives the first one a context (and the one deluby posted from Toronto looks like it might be from the same scene). I don't dislike any of them, in context. If we were talking about book-Frodo, I wouldn't like the first one, at least, because he keeps his cool a lot better than that with Faramir. But movie-Frodo is younger, probably more just plain frightened, and less of a trained diplomat than book-Frodo is. I look at it the same way I do the confrontation with Boromir in the movie--it wouldn't have happened that way with book-Frodo, who was quite good at keeping things at bay through words, and who knew enough to put on the Ring at the first sign the words weren't working anymore--before Boromir got hold of him. But it's perfect for movie-Frodo and one of my favorite scenes for him, because IMHO it shows how far he's come since his confrontation with Strider in Bree.

(Book-Frodo not only converses with Elves, he's also been the titular head of the Baggins family for 17 years. What's a half-crazed Gondorian warrior after you've been dealing with the S-B's for that long? Especially when one of them thinks he should be head of the family?)

And to Vita (who I trust isn't like the rest of the family!)--regarding EW's impression of Mr. Quayle--someone can be a "nice guy" and still be... uhhh... well, you know... not the person you'd most want in charge in times of national emergency. Unlike... hmmm... uhhh... let's change the subject, shall we? :rolleyes: Elijah's earlier directors sure knew what color his eyes were, even if they didn't realize how much acting he did with them. The one I get the biggest kick from is Forever Young because not only do they have Elijah wearing blue at almost every opportunity, but they get Mel into that blue workshirt as soon as possible and keep him in it for the rest of the movie :p . The Faculty, Bumblebee, The Good Son... I remember one of the first interviews with Ngila (before FotR was released) in which she said that, besides Rosie, the only hobbit who wore blue was Frodo--to which my first thought was, "Now, why doesn't that surprise me?" But she must have been talking about the "casual" clothes he wears at the beginning of the movie, because later she mentioned specifically choosing the maroon color for Frodo to separate him a bit from the other hobbits and to give a subtle hint of "royalty." Can you imagine Frodo actually wearing blue through the entire movie(s) :eek: ?! Give him yellow boots and a cap with a feather in it... :eek: :eek: ...let's not go there. :D

from Maeg: (I hope this does not sound totally weird…. )

Huh? What? :confused: Hey, I come here because it's the only place I know of where I can say things like that and be completely understood! :) May it ever be so! Frodo's always affected me that way, with the movie just adding another aspect to him--that's why I've loved him for 33 years and counting.

Blossom--I'll add my thanks for those Lothlorien pictures. I always love seeing some of those "early memories" from the very first trailer--even seeing how different they finally came out with special effects, etc. And, since you asked that the frame-by-frame Weathertop pics be posted again--I haven't put them back up on Image Magician (since just about everything I have stored there is linked to one way or another, I couldn't figure out what I could take down to make enough room for them), but I've put them all on one page at my poor, neglected website (haven't added anything new since early September). For those who weren't around in Imladris/CoE days, my webhost allows me to link to a page, but not to a specific image--I'm sure it's just because they don't want to deprive anyone of the opportunity to view their lovely advertisements ;) . This is actually something I couldn't do when I first posted them at CoE, because of the 5-IMG per post limit which made me divide them up across a number of posts. On the webpage, they are all immediately one beneath the other, so it's possible to scroll down through the whole shot. But, believe me, that's nothing like the effect you get through the slide show mode. So for anyone who still wants to copy them, here's the page:
Title 124 (http://www.members.tripod.com/afewwords_tgs/id124.htm)

(FYI: On my website, anytime you see a page that's just labeled "Title XXX," it's a page of screencaps.)

Thank you, tg! - and

(((((Faculty)))))

There's a new Faramir pic, it can be seen over at the Faramites' thread - it shows Faramir sending off an arrow. Apparently this happens in Osgiliath, the same place where that scary hateful Frodo fighting scene from the trailer occurs too. Evidence of Faramir and his men fighting at Osgiliath too can perhaps hint that Frodo has joined in some fight against a common enemy in the trailer scene, that he isn't fighting Gollum, or Faramir.... or Sam. :eek:

It's fun to speculate. Less than 2 months till we find out the answer! :)

Edit:
Wow! Look at that F&S pic Dream Wanderer has posted over in the harem! Frodo sitting on the floor leaning against a barrel; - looking cold, quite tired and also wary (?), and Sam standing up and looking very protective, ready to go into full defensive mode. Probably from a Henneth Anun scene?

I can't say anything intelligent right now. :p I can only stare at these:

http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/brandnewttt/images/ttt-8-360.jpg

http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/brandnewttt/images/ttt-13-360.jpg


oh -- Maeg beat me to it. :) But anyway, here're the pics. Ooohhh ....


Edit: switching the pics to enlarged ones from the War of the Rings site.

Originally posted by Maeglian
Btw,I have never seen the Rankin Bass RotK, and I don’t plan to ever watch it either. ... However, I’d like to hear that “Where there’s a whip, there’s a way” song. I don’t entirely think I will believe it really excists until I’ve heard it for myself. Anyone know of a link to where it can be heard online?
OK, Maeglian -- but just remember, you asked for it. :p You can find an MP3 of Where There's a Whip There's a Way here. (http://www.solidsharkey.com/whipway.mp3)

Here's something to look at while you're listening to the song: Rankin-Bass's powerful and deeply moving :rolleyes: rendition of Frodo at the mercy of a bunch of orcs at Cirith Ungol.....

http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/tolkien/rotk-1-0813-frodo-prisoner.jpg

Wow, Gladys! That image is just what I need right now!:rolleyes:

I hope you don't mind if I close my eyes as I scroll down the page and avoid it?

The pic of Fro and Sam that ainon posted is terrific. Argh! Why isn't it December, already?

By the way, friends, I hope this isn't too off-topic, but I have to tell you about a shocking rumor about TTT. (It was news to me anyway; maybe some of you have heard this before?) I was sitting in a dentist's office, flipping through magazines and came across a photo spread and interview with Liv Tyler in the November Harper's Bazaar. Glancing casually at the text, I saw a sentence that I still can't comprehend: it said that she was in London recording a song for the soundtrack of TTT????:eek: :eek: :eek:

Please, someone, tell me I am hallucinating? It must be a nightmare, right?

Has anyone else heard this? Am I worrying in vain? Isn't it enough to worry about NewLine's posters for this film? do I have to worry about the soundtrack, too?

Between Blossom's Lorien screencaps - those are my absolute favourites too! I never followed the pre-FoTR hype and missed the trailers totally last year. Now whenever I watch that one trailer on DVD that ends with that close-up shot of Frodo and 'pulls' the light of his eye, I just melt, I tell you;

and deluby gifs -- yes, that one shot is beautiful. I noticed it even in the cinema; it was always the moment I would wait for;

and then deluby's BIG Frodo pic, and then the newer angsty TTT pics;

I'm still feeling quite at a loss for words. Remarkable, I know. Sometimes I can shut up. :D

But I'll quickly catch up with some stuff anyway while I'm still awake. ;) Firstly, thanks Blossom, deluby! And tg, for the repeat the Morgul blade show. But didn't you say you had more than 22 screencaps? :D

{{{{Vita}}}} Lovely to see a nice long post from you. yes, I've heard that rumour. I'm ignoring it. at least I was until you brought it up. :trouts peaceweaver: :p


Filming chronology -- we know they started doing mostly FoTR, then towards the end it seemed like they were doing everything from any of the three movies all at one time. We also know that since Ian Holm did all his Bilbo scenes in one trip, everything Bilbo-related, from the long-expected party to Rivendell to the Grey Havens was shot during that short span of time, and since Billy Boyd has been quoted as saying how strange it was for Gandalf to be so tender during the Grey Havens scenes whereas the Gandalf-Pippin scenes up to then had been of the Gandalf thinking of Pip as a "Fool of a Took", it's probably safe to assume the Bilbo stretch of filming happened before they moved ahead to TTT and RoTK. EW and SA have said enough about the 'tennis court scene' for us to place it as just before Christmas '99 - but that scene was filmed because they were flooded out of their FoTR location. Other than that - it's anyone's guess. At least until the SE DVD comes out and hopefully a commentary or two will help fill in the gaps.

Ian McKellen was late in joining the cast because he was playing Magneto in 'X-Men', but once he arrived in New Zealand in January 2000, he stayed for the whole duration. His Grey Book is another source for chronology research, if anyone's so inclined, even if it is all so Gandalf-centric ;)

I've always found this diary entry interesting. At the time the post-Moria scene was filmed, the actors had neither met Ian McKellen, nor his Gandalf. And there's something surreal about the idea that Boromir died that soon! ;)

from Ian McKellen's Grey Book (http://www.mckellen.com/cinema/lotr/000125.htm)

They had been filming without me for three months and I felt like the new boy at school as they re-grouped two weeks into the year. Term started with a rough cut of the action so far - those that didn't need major special
effects added. A videotape was projected onto the screen of the cinema near the WETA workshops where the dailies are viewed. The soundtrack was uneven. The music was from other movies. And so the audience began by cheering their hard work like a home movie until the story took over and through the silence they watched Boromir die and the hobbits weep as they lose Gandalf to the Balrog. Peter had provided beer and wine but I'm off the alcohol and had two candy floss (cotton candy) and popcorn. Then a party at the house of Barrie Osborne (Producer) and his partner Carol Kim (Production Manager.) At the end of the evening Billy Boyd ("Pippin") persuaded me to follow him down the fireman's pole that falls twenty feet to the hall. And I wasn't even drunk.

:D :D :D
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tg:
Hey, I come here because it's the only place I know of where I can say things like that and be completely understood! :) May it ever be so!

Amen. :)

Good night, Faculty!

Originally posted by Vita S-B
By the way, friends, I hope this isn't too off-topic, but I have to tell you about a shocking rumor about TTT (re: Liv Tyler recording a song for the soundtrack.).....Has anyone else heard this? Am I worrying in vain?
FWIW I've heard this story too, but I don't know any details (and can't remember where I heard it :confused: so I can't check the source.)

Vita,
I've heard the same frightening rumor myself, and seen much speculation on same somewhere, coming to no fruitful conclusion but there's much hope it's all a delusion. Second best scenario is that it's the closing credits. Then again, it's entirely possible she can sing, y'know, and we know Shaw's in charge of the music again, so that means it'll work, right?

Although the posters do not encourage hope. :rolleyes:

Count me in as a feral Frodo lover. I don't know what I'd think of the pics if I hadn't seen them in context first, but I have, and I rank them right up there with the angry kitten ones. ;)

I'm trying to work up the nerve to check out the song Gladys so helpfully(?) provided the link for - although the picture really is punishment enough I suspect. :eek: Thanks, Gladys. I think. :D

deluby,
has anyone mentioned lately you're a genius? Thanks not only for the gifs, but for the info on how to grab pics from that site. :cool:

ainon,
You're becoming the new pic queen around here, and not just in the Faculty. ;) Those shots of Frodo and Sam are just lovely.

tgshaw,
What, it's my fault you linked to a site with nude piccies? :rolleyes: :p Although I suppose I know better because the Harem at Imly was once discussing whether EW's Frodo looks like some artist's paintings, and someone posted a bunch of pictures with cherubs and such like in the background, they were all marred with these little black boxes in the appropriate places. :rolleyes: Wish I could remember the name of the painter, though, because I kinda thought whoever suggested his one hero looked like Frodo has a point, and I bet I could find the paintings at your ultimate art site...

Well, I should take that back to the Cathedral, I suppose.

Blossom,
I've always loved that Lothlorien sequence; thanks for the pics. :cool:

Welcome, Starlight! So what's your vote on the feral Frodo photos?

Prim,
You're going to have to give up any pretentions as an angst lover for your dislike of the feral Frodo, I'm thinking. Not that I can remember if you *have* any pretentions to being an angst lover at the moment... ;)

I need to get in here more regularly - there's so much great stuff here I'm just kind of dazed... Thanks for all your contributions, everyone. :)

Sheryl

Eeeeek! Gladys, thank you!
I have heard the song, I no longer doubt its excistense. The worst is, it's rather catchy in an annoying way - I'll probably find myself humming it if I'm not careful!
I was laughing so hard I could hardly hear the words! It's unbelievable. And to prove it's *really* RotK-related, in between the orcs' wonderful singing and the whip lash sounds, it's all interspersed with Frodo and Sam dialogue. Frodo says he can't continue, to which Sam helpfully comments: "I'd rather be singing a good old hobbit song myself". So apparently, Frodo was saying that he couldn't continue singing? Well, no wonder.

I repeat: It's hilarious!! Thank you!

I have but one comment to the Rankin Bass Cirith Ungol pic: The movie makers chickened out!! May PJ have more courage and imagination than that! (Ie. the Rankin Bass orcs are kind enough to let Frodo keep his trousers.....)


Ainon, thanks for those 2 lovely, wonderful, angsty pics! Frodo has his eyes open in the one where Sam is holding his hand, hasn't he? Which means he can't be sleeping and having a nightmare in that sequence after all? Or perhaps this is as he is waking up....... So, how many days left till TTT? I cant wait!!!! :rolleyes:


Sheryl, I believe the painting you refer to may possibly be Narcisse Guerin's "Aurore et Cephale" in the Louvre. It got some attention in the Harem back in the Imladris days. And true enough, you couldn't post that without applying some black boxes here and there.... :o


Peaceweaver, I have heard the Tyler singing rumour also - I know I read it back at CoE. I seem to remember it was inbetween pics in the "new pictures" thread, but that seems odd........, and I haven't re-checked that now. I find the TTT poster too irritating to look at it unless I absolutely have to, and I couldn't avoid seeing that there. Especially the similar poses of Eowyn and Arwen, looking over their shoulder with that serious/sultry expression, annoy me very much. OK, so they're *really* after the young male movie audience, are they?


Edit: We've been here less than one month, I think - and already we're at 500 posts! :)