honeyelf, those quotes from the Odd Lot spokeswoman were very enlightening. I don’t know that it’s Lexi who’s to blame here, however, since I’m not sure how much control a director has over how his or her film is marketed. But I agree with you that GSH’s “natural position” (i.e., the marketing stance that is the easiest way to "sell" a product initially, even though it may not be the most potentially lucrative position) in the US is as “arthouse fodder,” and that the movie could have made the transition from there to wider commercial distribution – especially if it does well in Europe. Of course, IIRC, My Big Fat Greek Wedding had some very big guns behind it: weren’t Tom Hanks and his wife strong supporters of it?

Moondancer, it was good to hear from you again! It’s been a long time. Now if we could just find out what has happened to zkgrumpy.

And now for something completely frivolous: Achila and I were in the mood for a popcorn movie yesterday, so we went to see Batman Begins. She pointed out afterward that the film features four actors who have appeared in movies with Elijah:

Morgan Freeman – Deep Impact
Rutger Hauer – Sin City
Katie Holmes – The Ice Storm
Tom Wilkinson – Chain of Fools

So then we started trying to link up other people in the movie with Elijah, and we have come up with the following “Six Degrees of Elijah” for Batman Begins. (We hope that this exercise will prove inspirational to other Faculty members. Failing that, it may prove helpful to insomniacs, or to people who find themselves stuck watching really crummy movies.)


Christian Bale was in Little Women with Kirsten Dunst (ESOTSM)

Michael Caine was in The Quiet American with Brendan Fraser, who was in Gods and Monsters with Ian McKellen (LOTR)

Cillian Murphy was in Girl with a Pearl Earring with Scarlett Johansson (North)

Liam Neeson was in Schindler’s List with Ralph Fiennes, who was in The English Patient with Naveen Andrews, who is in the TV series Lost with Dominic Monaghan (LOTR)

Gary Oldman was in Air Force One with Harrison Ford, who was in Hollywood Homicide with Josh Harnett (The Faculty)

Ken Watanabe was in The Last Samurai with Tom Cruise, who was in Magnolia with Jason Robards (The Adventures of Huck Finn)

And for good measure: Director Christopher Nolan also directed Memento, which starred Guy Pearce, who was in L.A. Confidential with Russell Crowe, who was in Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World with Billy Boyd (LOTR)

Tom Wilkinson – Chain of FoolsOf course, Tom Wilkinson was also in ESOTSM. "That one counts as two!"

As for famous movie supporters, there was someone who flew from LA to the Tribeca Film Festival, just to support Hooligans, and I can't for the life of me remember who it was. An actor.

Originally posted by Pelagia:
Christian Bale was in Little Women with Kirsten Dunst (ESOTSM)
Ah HA! Thank you, Pelagia. We went to Batman Begins while I was away on vacation and I RACKED my brains trying to think why Batman was familiar. I see hardly any movies, and my daughter ran through some film names but I had seen none of them. Little Women! I rented that for her years ago.

P.S. I would disagree that this Batman film was "crummy," if that's what you meant. Of the "comic book" films I have been made to see, I thought this one was by far the best. (I certainly preferred it to Sin City, but you guessed that without my saying... :p )

~ Mechtild

P.S. I would disagree that this Batman film was "crummy," if that's what you meant.It wasn't -- we quite liked it.

Mechtild, I didn't mean to imply that we didn't like Batman Begins. As Achila has indicated, we quite enjoyed it. A great cast, and marvelous visuals (e.g., that moment of epiphany where Bruce stands in the cave with the bats swirling around him), and some very funny lines. But should anyone find herself watching the likes of Troy (blechhhh! Tedious battles, horrible soundtrack, etc.), she could amuse herself by thinking about how both Sean Bean and Orlando Bloom were in LOTR, and how Brad Pitt was in Interview with the Vampire with Kirsten Dunst, and how Peter O'Toole was in My Favorite Year with Lou Jacobi (Avalon), etc. This can become quite addictive. (Note to any ex-US Faculty members: If you have never heard of "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" -- the obvious inspiration for "Six Degrees of Elijah" -- we can explain.)

And Achila, thanks for reminding me about Tom W. in ESOTSM. I knew you had said that he was in two movies with Elijah, but my mind went blank.

Pelagia, Achila, I stand corrected in my thinking. Thank you! :)

~ Mechtild

There is another fun thread of 6 degress of Elijah here:

http://imdb.com/name/nm0000704/board/thread/10461560

The hardest thing about playing 6 degrees of Elijah Wood is trying to stretch the line out to 6 :haha: . A bit easier if you disallow any LotR connections, but still a challenge.

Another time-killer (like I need one :rolleyes: ) is seeing how many chains you can make between Elijah and one other actor. Johnny Depp is a good example. -- I don't have much time to kill right now, so I'll just throw that out with a hint that there are at least a dozen one-step connections between Johnny Depp and Elijah Wood that don't involve a LotR actor (if you count multiple JD movies with the same actor separately). And that's not even looking at links that take more than one step. Makes it kind of amazing that they've never acted together, doesn't it? :confused:

tg, I've never been sure whether the objective of the game was to stretch the connection out to six degrees, or to make it in as few degrees as possible. I've always assumed the latter (isn't the idea that everyone is linked by no more than six degrees of separation?) -- although it's more challenging to stretch it, I think. I could have made a more direct link between Elijah and Liam Neeson by means of The Bounty (which starred Mel Gibson), but that was less fun. Besides, I enjoyed working Naveen Andrews in there. ;)

tg, I've never been sure whether the objective of the game was to stretch the connection out to six degrees, or to make it in as few degrees as possible. I've always assumed the latter (isn't the idea that everyone is linked by no more than six degrees of separation?) -- although it's more challenging to stretch it, I think.
Yes--the usual point of the game is to do it in as few steps as possible, but with Elijah that takes a lot of the challenge out of it. ;)

BTW--I was adding my paragraph about multiple links to one actor, with Johnny Depp as an example, when you posted. Just in case you missed it. :p

Okay, I wanna try it. And I'll start with an actor that both Elijah and I admire.

John Malcovich - Dangerous Liasons - Michelle Pfeiffer
Michelle Pfeiffer - Age of Innoncence - Daniel Day Lewis
Daniel Day Lewis - Gangs of New York - Leonardo di Caprio
Leonardo di Caprio - Titanic - Kate Winslet
Kate Winslet - Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind - Elijah Wood

Only five degrees, and I had to stretch, and avoid obvious links like Gary Sinise. Is that cheating? :rolleyes:

Who was looking for screencaps of Sin City earlier? I just ran accross this site: http://www.ecranlarge.com/photos-film-431.php

tgshaw wrote: Another time-killer (like I need one) is seeing how many chains you can make between Elijah and one other actor. Johnny Depp is a good example. -- I don't have much time to kill right now, so I'll just throw that out with a hint that there are at least a dozen one-step connections between Johnny Depp and Elijah Wood that don't involve a LotR actor (if you count multiple JD movies with the same actor separately). Oh, oh. You know I'm going to have to try to figure these out! When you say "one-step connections," do you mean that there is just one actor separating JD and EJW?

honeyelf: Very nice Malkovich-to-Wood chain. That inspired me to find a different route, with an additional step:

John Malkovich - Being John Malkovich - John Cusack
John Cusack - The Grifters - Angelica Huston
Angelica Huston - Ever After - Drew Barrymore
Drew Barrymore - E.T. The Extraterrestrial - Peter Coyote
Peter Coyote -- A Walk to Remember -- Mandy Moore
Mandy Moore -- All I Want - Elijah Wood

Trying to get exactly six steps definitely makes this challenging (or crazy-making) esp. if you leave out LotR cast members.

Hi guys, I'm back---and I really missed you all. I advise anyone (of us) who is going to live a long time in a hotel room to make sure you bring a video copy of Fellowship to add some richness to your evening after long days. I did. Very nice.
I may be in lurking mode for a bit while I get caught up on things.

Happy birthday to those I missed and nice to see you again, Moondancer, and Honey--fabulous work on Hooligans and I want to know more. And welcome to all the new people.

Someone mentioned Amazon showing unseen LotRs footage. I just asked my friend whose brother works at the headquarters. Not only that special treat, but they are bringing Dylan in to seranade their employees!!!! I jokingly suggested he do a little video bootlegging for me. I wonder if this will be the blooper trailer that was shown in Australia?? :cool:

OK, let's try an unlikely one:

Paris Hilton - House of Wax - Elisha Cuthbert
Elisha Cuthbert - Love Actually - Colin Firth
Colin Firth - Girl With a Pearl Earring - Scarlett Johansson
Scarlett Johansson - North - Elijah Wood

Welcome back, {{{Alyon}}}! :cool:

Oh, oh. You know I'm going to have to try to figure these out! When you say "one-step connections," do you mean that there is just one actor separating JD and EJW?
Yep, one person in the "middle" that they've both been in a movie (or, in one case, a TV show) with. I made a list to keep track of things, and have a dozen individuals who fit the description, without even needing to count multiple movies separately--although, for interest's sake, there are two actresses who've done "triple plays": one who's been in 3 movies with Johnny Depp and one with EJW, and another who's been in 3 movies with EJW and one with JD.

Some of the parts involved are pretty small. But, somewhat surprisingly considering how many obscure films JD has made, they're all in movies that even I've heard of :p .

--This dozen does not include any LotR connections, although (for the bonus round ;) ) there are two LotR actors besides Orlando Bloom who've been in movies with JD.

And I wouldn't be at all surprised if there are some one-link connections that I haven't discovered.

Let's see....ONE degree of Elijah Wood?

How about

Christina Ricci...starred with Johnny Depp in Sleepy Hollow ....

and with Elijah in The Ice Storm. :cool:

And

Franka Potente...starred with Johnny Depp in Blow ...

and with Elijah in Try Seventeen. :p

Goldenberry--A good start. :cool: Christina Ricci is one of the "triple plays"--she was also in The Man Who Cried and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas with Johnny Depp.

The other triple play shouldn't be too hard to figure out: the only non-LotR actress I know of who's been in 3 movies with Elijah (with varying size roles for both of them--they've never starred together, although he was the lead in one of the three movies, and she was the female lead in another of them). As far as I know, she's been in only one movie with JD.

Goldenberry, that's :cool: -

I've found "From Hell" - Johnny Depp and Robbie Coltrane ("Huck Finn")
"The Astronaut's wife" - JD and Clea DuVall ("The Faculty")
"Fear and loathing in Las Vegas" - JD and Christina Ricci ("Ice Storm"), Tobey Mcguire ("Ice Storm") and Benicio Del Toro ("Sin City").

How's that? ;)


ETA: I think, the other "triple play" is Salma Hayek? With JD in "Once upon a Time in Mexiko", and with Elijah in "The Faculty" and "Chain of Fools" :)

ETA: I think, the other "triple play" is Salma Hayek? With JD in "Once upon a Time in Mexiko", and with Elijah in "The Faculty" and "Chain of Fools"

AND in Spy Kids 3D, too! :eek:

ETA: Yep, Salma Hayek it is. And she's a quick clue to one of the other actors, because two of her movies are also included in that person's link.

We're halfway there! :D
I've edited the following, since Salma's been named:

Two out of the remaining five are ones I'd expect people to get pretty quickly (maybe just because I thought of them off the top of my head and I'm anything but a non-EJW film buff :rolleyes: ):

--One who's appeared with both JD and EJW within the past year (in separate movies).

--One who played a father in one of the movies involved and a father figure in the other.

The others might be a bit more difficult, but I thought Clea DuVall would be a tough one ;) .

--One who played a father in one of the movies involved and a father figure in the other.


My guess would be Kevin Kline (father in "Ice Storm" and "father" of the United States of America in "Dave". :D (That one also included Sigourney Weaver, "Ice Storm" again)

--One who's appeared with both JD and EJW within the past year (in separate movies).Kate Winslet

My guess would be Kevin Kline (father in "Ice Storm" and "father" of the United States of America in "Dave". :D (That one also included Sigourney Weaver, "Ice Storm" again)
I don't know of any movie that Kevin Kline has been in with Johnny Depp (although that doesn't necessarily mean there hasn't been one--they both make such a variety of films :eek: :) ).

The person I'm thinking of played the father of Elijah's character in their shared movie. But in the move with JD, he played father figure to the young woman who was the "love interest" for JD's character.

[BTW, Sigourney Weaver was also in Working Girl with Melanie Griffith, giving EJW a double two-degree link to Harrison Ford and Joan Cusack--and a lot of other people :D .]

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But Kate Winslet, yes: ESOTSM and Finding Neverland

Aidan Quinn in Benny and Joon with JD; Avalon with EW.

C4

ETA- Antonio Banderas, Mickey Rourke and Cheech Marin from Once upon a Time in Mexico with JD; Banderas and Marin in Spy Kids 3-D with EW, Rourke in Sin City with EW.

ETA--for your ETA, ceefour :p . Antonio Banderas was the one I was thinking of in connection with Salma Hayek, but (see, I knew I'd miss some :o ) I hadn't thought of Cheech Marin and Mickey Rourke. Are there any more Robert Rodriguez "regulars" out there that haven't been named yet?

After ceefour's edit, I only have two on my list that haven't been given yet. One's a fairly "normal" connection, although the movie with JD isn't terribly well-known. The other involves a TV series on one end of the link.

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Yes to Aidan Quinn. That was actually the first link between JD and EJW that I thought of, probably because I loved both movies and because it was Aidan Quinn's blue eyes that I fell in love with during Avalon, so I always noticed him afterward ;) . (But it was Michael's story that I still remembered years afterward.)

--------Also noticed that Sigourney Weaver shared her latest Alien movie with Ron Perlman (Pa in Huck Finn) and Brad Dourif. --------I think with Elijah, the connections tend to result not so much in chains but in a web! :D

Crispin Glover in What's Eating Gilbert Grape? and Dead Man with JD; an uncredited appearance in Back to the Future II with EW.

C4

ceefour--Another one I didn't have! That means there are at least 15!! I knew there were a fair number, but I never thought there'd be that many! :eek: :cool: Somebody find a movie to put these two together in--quick! :D

Rachel Griffiths in Blow with JD; TAMTSNBN (voice of Albertine) with EW.

C- :eek: -4

That's: 16!

...There's still another Huck Finn connection out there... ;)

Peri Gilpin was a guest in Season 3 of 21 Jump Street with JD; EW did voice work on Frasier.

C-somebody stop me!!-4

Oh now, hang on! Ceefour is cheating -- she's doing squeesearch to find these connections. ;)

We may have moved beyond playing a game into actually trying to find an answer to the question of how many connections there are! :eek: That Peri Gilpin one might be stretching it a bit :haha: ... Should it be counted?

But I am still sitting on another TV connection: The JD end of the link is a movie, but the EJW end of the link is a TV program.

And, c'mon... the Huck Finn one shouldn't be that hard ;) . The JD movie is Donnie Brasco: not a classic for the ages, maybe, but not completely unknown.

Achila, is that against the rules? If so, my apologies.

C- :o -4

ETA- I didn't phrase that quite right. Of course it's against the rules to cheat. :rolleyes: What I meant was, is doing squeesearch on imdb not permissable?

Another Huck Finn connection:

Robbie Coltrane was in Huck Finn with Elijah (he played The King, I believe--or was it The Duke? whichever one Jason Robards wasn't! :confused: ) and in From Hell with Johnny Depp (as was Ian Holm, but that's a LOTR link).

I admit I cheated a bit by going to IMDB to confirm that my memory was correct about Robbie being in From Hell. :eek: ;)

Oh, I'm just teasing you guys -- "cheat" away! :k

I found it! Er, no, I knew it all along! :haha:

Clark Johnson in Nick of Time with JD; Homicide: Life on the Street with EW.

C4

The problem with doing "squeesearch"--an absolutely wonderful term, BTW :p --is that it makes your head feel like it's going to explode when you realize the numerous links that exist.

Case in point: I learned that not only was Anne Heche in Huck Finn with Elijah AND in Donnie Brasco; Michael Madsen was also in Donnie Brasco ...and in Sin City.

You are right, tg--it IS a virtual Shelob's Web of connections!

ETA--Yes! Ann Heche is the Huck Finn one I was waiting for. (Whiteling had the Robbie Coltrane connection early on.) I don't even recognize Michael Madsen's name from Sin City, so I never would have gotten that one.

C4--That's a Homicide connection I didn't find. But there's another one yet. ;)

ETA2--My boss has decided that I should actually do some work today :rolleyes: , so I'll have to check back later for a final count. :p All that's left on my "list" is that one missing Homicide connection.

New article out about Odd Lot Entertainment and G.S.Hooligans.
Enter Odd Lot Releasing:

http://www.indiewire.com/biz/biz_050711green.html

Thank you, txtac!

One more new one, tg, Katie Sagona in Donnie Brasco with JD; Black and White with EW.

Still looking for the Homicide connection.....

C4

ETA-This is the last one!

Max Perlich in Blow and The Brave with JD; Homicide:Life on the Street with EW.

Try Yaphet Kotto --
In Homicide throughout its run. Also in Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare with JD (who was credited as "Oprah Noodlemantra" -- And, yes, I did use IMDb to find that one ;) ).

I'll have to count again later when I don't have to worry about interruptions :rolleyes: , but I think we have 20 actors in one-degree separations between JD and EJW.

Wonder if Elijah has more connections than that with anyone else? Especially anyone else who he hasn't actually been in a movie with? [evil grin smiley]

Re JD/EW connections: My head is spinning! You all are amazing! How do you all know so much about Johnny Depp movies, esp. in view of how much time you spend watching Elijah movies?? (I know that ceefour is looking 'em up, of course! ;) )

I went off on a different tangent (since I could come up with only six one-step JD/EW links from memory), and tried to see how far back into movie history I could push an Elijah chain in six steps (ex-historian, here); and came up with this:

Elijah Wood -- Avalon -- Joan Plowright
Joan Plowright -- The Entertainer -- Laurence Olivier
Laurence Olivier -- That Hamilton Woman -- Vivien Leigh
Vivien Leigh -- Gone with the Wind -- Clark Gable
Clark Gable -- Red Dust -- Jean Harlow
Jean Harlow -- Dinner at Eight -- Marie Dressler, who made her first film in 1914, in the "silent" era.

Sorry to interrupt the game, but I thought you all might enjoy this transcribed interview from the August 2005 issue (Fantastic Four on the cover, not in stores, yet) of "Total Film" magazine (foul little mouth. ;) Let me know if I missed anything or censored improperly):


First it was Eternal Sunshine's sicko stalker, then Sin City's cannibal psycho. Now, as a football hooligan in Green Street, Elijah Wood finally completes his personal "anti-Frodo" trilogy.

The bombshell has hit Elijah Wood even harder than anticipated. "Hang on," he says, "I need a cigarette to digest this properly." A lengthy pause. "This s**t is happening in England? What the f*** is the world coming to?"

It's a crucial question and one to which there are sadly no cosy answers.

"I thought you guys, of all people, would hold out," he sighs, despondent. "Although, I guess if they can do it in Ireland, they can do it anywhere..."

Slowly the ardent tab-smoker comes to grips with the shock rumour that London will soon succumb, like LA, to a universal non-smoking policy. Then, the solution hits him, like a waft of Gauloises down the Seine.

"Well that's it," he says, "we're just going to have to all be in this together, a band of smokers unified. We're just all going to have to move to France."

For Elijah Wood, of course , the appeal of the group dynamic is nothing new. Three years of partying, surfing, bonding and occasionally working on the set of Peter Jackson's Rings trilogy has seen the "sometimes shy, sometimes removed, always manic" youngster morph into a man for whom buddies are key. And now there's Green Street, the hard-hitting, soon-to-be-tabloid-hot-potato that features him as a shamed American ex-pat (hence the film's original title The Yank, which later became Hooligans before changing to the more serene-sounding Green Street) embroiled in the seedy, violent underworld of football hooliganism =specifically West Ham's notorious GSE, aka The Green Street Elite. Stretching the boundaries of friendship to their limits, he punches, kicks and brawls his way into a sinister new brotherhood. A f***ed-up Fellowship, if you will.

When he signed on to Green Street, tempted by it's familiar themes of an innocent's journey into corruption, Wood's knowledge of the Beautiful Game was based solely on the numerous late-night chats he'd had with Rings co-stars Dominic Monaghan (a Manchester United fan) and Bernard Hill (Chelsea) out in New Zealand. His understanding of the off-side rule? "Girl-bad."

Born in Iowa and growing up an in-demand child actor, the majority of Wood's schooling was conducted via correspondence from various shoots, meaning he had little time for sports, English or otherwise, in his formative years.

"Even now," he admits, "I only really become interested in watching sports when it's a play-off or something essential- that point when it's really important, when it ceases to be about the sport itself anymore and becomes more about the human drama. When it's life or death."

Since making his debut as 'Video Game Boy' in Back to the Future II, aged eight, Wood has made it a personal policy to throw himself into his roles with a 'cocked-up gusto"- a method that comfortably carried him through the notoriously difficult transition from child to adult actor. But even by his standards, Woods pre-prep for Green Street laid down a new level of dedication.

"To get in the zone for the movie, we all went to the infamous West Ham versus Millwall game. They hadn't played a match together in nearly 10 years, so it was a huge deal. There were more police officers there than there'd been for any event in London for the past decade. It was intense -infectious. I got sucked up into the mix, into the sheer energy of it. That experience gave me an insight into how people can be so obsessive about the game and carry that obsession on, ultimately into violence. Especially when you factor in a little alcohol."

Though Wood insists violence has neither featured heavily in his life -"I've never hit anyone properly, never been in any really furious fights" - nor is glorified in Green Street, he does freely admit to picking up one or two other bad habits while shooting the film on location last summer. There were the obligatory cigarettes, for instance, their consumption magnified by a macho cast for whom after-work boozing sessions became routine. Mainly though, it was Wood's gleeful appropriation of the word 'c***' that provided the most notable after effect.

"The word was actually quite familiar to me from the time I spent with all those Brits in New Zealand, " Wood says, "But on this movie, a movie that had a lot of c***s in it actually, it took on a whole new level. In the States, it's the dirtiest word you can think of, people hate it and need a shower after you've said it. But over here in the Uk it's positively embraced. Personally, I tend to use it in it's typical noun form, as a term of endearment that follows a greeting, but I'm playing with it. I may yet experiment with 'c***ing' as an adjective."

As for anyone shocked that the fresh faced personification of purity should be spouting such obscenities, well that's exactly how Elijah Wood wants it. In fact, while he claims he's done so "90 per cent subconsciously", ever since lobbing that ring into Mount Doom he has been on a mission to move on. The first step was tentative, as Kate Winslet's obsessive, would-be lover in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. The second was full-on, badgering Robert Rodriguez one night in a car park -after dinner at Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles, no less- to cast him as Sin City's Kevin, the mute cannibal with a penchant for nailing his victims heads to the wall. Now, the hooligan.

"I'm always looking for something different and trying to differentiate myself from the last role I played," he admits. "The Lord of the Rings dominated everybody's view for three years so the desire to move on became amplified. Certainly after Frodo being innocent and pure of heart it's nice to do something anti-Frodo to dramatically change people's perspectives. You know, obviously physically I'm not a frightening person, so to break free from that is great. As an actor, showing people another side to yourself can only be a good thing."

How will people react to the sight of Frodo Baggins beating the crap out of some skinheads? Only time will tell, although Wood has high hopes that the recent American interest in football- apologies, soccer -coupled with Green Street's hearty reception on the recent festival circuit will at least guarantee it a box office beyond it's slender budget. And in the meantime, with nothing yet set in stone for the future, Wood is just going to have to make the most of chilling out and messing with people's heads.

"It used to be fans coming up and saying stuff like, 'Wow, look, it's Frodo! Isn't he sweet? Aw, bless!' Now it's more, 'Man, you are one scary m*****f***er!" Wood laughs.

"And you know what? I kinda like it that way."

Interview from TOTAL FILM AUGUST 2005 issue by Mark Dinning.





Definitely some interesting stuff in there. I did not know that he had to badger Rodriguez into giving him the part. What, Robert -- are you nuts? It was genius casting!

Also, the implication that his bad habits only became worse... :( I hate to think of him smoking even more, because of his peers on Hooligans. But, he's an adult; he'll deal with it in his own time or not at all. The extra swearing, I couldn't care less about. I actually have sort of a warped appreciation for his filthy language. :D

And, as I suspected, he wasn't actively trying to escape Frodo, as some suggest (what with the whole "Mark Hamill Syndrome" accusations and all), but trying to stretch himself and go for the most different roles he could, with that desire for "escaping" being more on a subconscious level. It makes me even more interested to see what he will choose nextl. :) :cool:

Great article, Ms. Bugs! I'm definitely looking forward to more of the same what with both EII and GSH coming out in two months (yay!).

Pelagia, if you go with the Gloria Stuart connection in Titanic, you can reach a bit further back into Hollywood history (albeit just a year):

EW - Kate Winslet in ESotSM
Kate Winslet - Gloria Stuart in Titanic
Gloria Stuart - Jane Darwell in 1932's "Back Street".

Jane Darwell is better known to most current moviegoers as the Bird Woman in Mary Poppins (her final role) and Ma Joad in The Grapes of Wrath (with Henry Fonda as Tom Joad). Her first film was in 1913. Interestingly, for EW-film role connections, she also played the Widow Douglas in Huckleberry Finn back in 1931!

...messing with people's heads.
Yep, he just gets people to:
'Man, you are one scary m*****f***er!"
And then he throws EII at 'em. :haha:

Thanks, BunnieBugs. (By the way, what's a 'tab-smoker?') Everybody but us will have whiplash from trying to follow EW's characters.

Pelagia and Sharpe's Girl, I was working on connecting EW with Fred Astaire ( :rolleyes: ), when I thought of this connection, going another year back in cinema history.

Lillian Gish--The Unforgiven--Audrey Hepburn
Audrey Hepburn--Funny Face--Fred Astaire
Fred Astaire--Finnegan's Rainbow--Petula Clark
Petula Clark--Goodbye, Mr. Chips--Peter O'Toole
Peter O'Toole--Troy--Sean Bean (for Sharp's Girl)
Sean Bean--LOTR--Elijah Wood

Lillian Gish made her first movie in 1912.

C4

(By the way, what's a 'tab-smoker?')
"Tab" is another Brit-slang for cigarette. :)

Everybody but us will have whiplash from trying to follow EW's characters.
Gosh, I hope so! It was always my hope that Hooligans would come out before EII, so that people would get to see him in a nice variety of roles before he was back to something that was rather subtle and staid. They're coming out at nearly the exact same time, but that could actually work to the advantage of both films, I think. :z:

And I'm suddenly reminded of that silly list of "big stars" that listed Orlando but not Elijah that stated something to the effect of, "Who ever says, 'Let's go see an Elijah Wood film?' It just doesn't happen." Well, just wait until September or so. ;)

BunnieBugs- I did not know that he had to badger Rodriguez into giving him the part. What, Robert -- are you nuts? It was genius casting!
The "badgering" was the interviewers illiteration. Remember the interview that R.R. did right after filming the Faculty where he said that he thought that Elijah's eyes were kind've creepy (the intensity of the blue) and he wanted to cast Elijah as a psycho in a later movie? Why did Robert Rodreguiz fly to CA. Why did R.R. have lunch with Elijah Wood? Robert wanted Elijah to do Kevin. At the lunch meeting it was Elijah who brought up the topic of Sin City. He wanted to see it turned into a movie but couldn't figure out how to do it. That was when R.R. said that he was in the development stage of doing Sin City. In Elijah's words he "flipped out." Elijah "begged" (asked sincerely more likely) R.R. to put him in the movie. Not specifically as Kevin, Elijah just wanted to be in the movie. R.R. already had Elijah in mind as Kevin. The rest is cinematic history.

In the States, it's the dirtiest word you can think off, people hate it and need a shower after you've said it.

:eek: :eek: I feel desperately in need of a shower for some reason! :rolleyes:

Elijah said- it's the dirtiest word you can think off, people hate it and need a shower after you've said it.
Attorney? Lawyer? ???

Attorney? Lawyer?
:D

Yep, he just gets people to:
Quote:
'Man, you are one scary m*****f***er!"
And then he throws EII at 'em. :haha:

And all that with only one expression. Hmm. :confused: :haha:

Thanks for the interview, Bunnie :)! (I have to admit that I find his foul language in that one a bit of strong meat and I dare say I'm looking forward to the language he'll use when speaking of EII.)


But now for something completely different:

Happy Birthday, Serena!:k

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/frodostriderlook.jpg

Have a wonderful day! Frodo's already waiting for you to have a pint. :cool:

Whiteling said: (I have to admit that I find his foul language in that one a bit of strong meat and I dare say I'm looking forward to the language he'll use when speaking of EII.)

I'll second you on that, Whiteling! Elijah's sounding a bit like a little rampaging Napoleon complex in a pretty hide, trying to earn a bit of street cred by shocking everyone with his filthy mouth.

Look, he has to be aware of all the internet crap written about him, from the ubiquitous 'gay' rumors, to the most harmless fan-fic. All of it has one thing in common; it portrays him as weak, effeminate, soft, even helpless. It's nauseating.

And then too, finding himself with legions of women fans old enough to be his mommy (or even older still) must be disconcerting as all get out.

So, yeah, I understand if the kid wants to put on a few rough edges, and leave the halo in the scrap metal bin. But too far is just too far!

:::honey! will be appearing in the role of Grumpy for tonight only:::

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Happy Birthday, Serena! :k :k :k
Here's Not-Frodo himself!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/roadshow1-013.jpg

Serena, here's a little prize for your birthday

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/aquila0212/ElijahatDGAAwards2-7-04.jpg

Hope it's wonderful!

And as for the language and the smoking and so on, Elijah's always been something of an iconoclast. He clearly couldn't care less what anyone thinks of him and will live his life as he sees fit. *His comment about all of the smokers moving to France was pretty funny, I have to admit* And yeah, if that includes shocking people a little, all for the better.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SERENA!

Do you live in the UK? Sorry cant remember. :o

If so you may like this article...

Elijah at upcoming Edinburgh Festival (http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=955212005) :D :D :D

Elijah Wood will be promoting his latest movie Green Street, about English football hooligans, and American Pie star Jason Biggs is expected in the Capital to promote his film Guy X.

Mr Danielsen said: "We have a huge selection of British films covering all genres and it really is an unbelievably strong line-up.

"Edinburgh has certainly become the showcase for the best in British cinema."

Bookings for the festival, which runs from August 17 to August 28, can be made from Friday.

Happy birthday, Serena!

Serena, you were one of the first persons I sent a "PM" to when I first went beyond lurking here a year ago. You and Moondancer. You were so gracious replying to my simpleton questions (since I was so uninformed when it came to EW himself and not just the character he played). I believe you all were discussing what might have been EW's relationship with his father. Many happy returns of the day! :k

Bunniebugs, thanks for posting that article. :) I really enjoyed it, even if I am one of those non-fans of EW's language use. Still, I know it is ubiquitous, so it doesn't prevent me from liking him just the same. He has managed to be a non-conformist in many other ways, which impresses me.

Achila, I'll take one of those prizes, too, if there are any extra. ;)

Whiteling, I adored that screencap. I saved it, noting your very apt file title: "Frodostriderlook". Ha! What a little monkey he was -- it's even from the scene in which Strider first appears.

honeyelf, great EW-as-a-lion shot. It looks like one of those faces one is supposed to do in yoga. Yes, an awful lot of Frodo fic portrays him as very weak indeed. Blame EW, though; never was suffering and whimpering and angsting more appealingly played. His Frodo must have inspired more [erotic and non-erotic] hurt/comfort fantasy than anyone else in years. :D Even I, fan of steely, witty Mr. Baggins of the book, am not immune. "Awww.... Poor widdo Fwodo...!" And P.S., one needn't be his actual mother's age to feel the pull. I've seen barely grown teenagers (over at TORc) nearly lactate over dear, tear-stained Frodo as he stands, chin a-tremble, on the banks of the Anduin. :p

~ Mechtild

Interesting article, Bunnie. Thanks for sharing it.

But...

I understand if the kid wants to put on a few rough edges, and leave the halo in the scrap metal bin. But too far is just too far!

I have to agree with Honey and Whitleing on this. I just don't like excessive swearing. (Don't get me wrong - I'm no angel. I can often be heard screaming at my hubby, 'Leave that bloody Frodo-doll alone!' as I catch him tying a piece of elastic around the neck of poor Frodo-In-Orc-Armour, in preperation to hang him from a hook on the kitchen dresser! :eek: But that's about as far as my swearing goes! :) )

I'm a Brit, and I admit I had no idea that the 'C' word was 'embraced' over here. It may well be - but I'm an old codger, and I've led a very sheltered life! That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it! :rolleyes:

Of course, I'm well aware that Elijah swears quite a lot in RL, but like you, Mech, it doesn't stop me liking him. I do believe he has a strong sense of 'time and place,' and in any given situation he judges whether using foul language is appropriate or not. He can be so articulate and charming in chat-show interviews - as if butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. :)

Of course, in the great scheme of things Elijah's smoking habit is a far greater cause for concern than his swearing.

"Tab" is another Brit-slang for cigarette.

Now see, that's another one I haven't heard of, Bunnie. I thought 'Fag,' was still the British slang word for a cigarette. :confused: :)

I hope you're lurking, SERENA.

Your birthday gif(t) is HERE (http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/Serena.gif)

MANY HAPPY BIRTHDAY WISHES TO YOU! I hope it's a good one. :)

Thanks for the interview, Bunnie :)! (I have to admit that I find his foul language in that one a bit of strong meat and I dare say I'm looking forward to the language he'll use when speaking of EII.)From what I understand, if Jonathan's language were anything like it is in the book, the film would be rated R. ;) However, I doubt that will be the case -- I can't imagine that they'd want anything stronger than a PG13 rating on a film like this.

And I agree with you, Blossom, that he does have a very strong sense of time and place. I expect that, given the tone and subject matter of the article, he felt much freer to talk "like one of the guys", but there are other times when he wouldn't dream of using anything so strong in an interview.

Don't I remember an interview with him from a couple of years ago where he mentioned the "c" word as being a great word, and that he was fascinated by the way constant use of it actually took away some of its power? Or am I just imagining that?


Happy Birthday, Serena!

Elijah's ready to show you a good time, and he's a guy that knows how!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/orc-026.jpg

Don't I remember an interview with him from a couple of years ago where he mentioned the "c" word as being a great word, and that he was fascinated by the way constant use of it actually took away some of its power? Or am I just imagining that? Yes, you're absolutely remembering correctly, Bunnie. And he's right. I think we've talked about this before -- if you take a word like that out of context, it loses it's "dirty" meaning.

Bunniebugs wrote:
Don't I remember an interview with him from a couple of years ago where he mentioned the "c" word as being a great word, and that he was fascinated by the way constant use of it actually took away some of its power? Or am I just imagining that?
I think that was in that very good Rolling Stone interview a few years ago. He definitely expressed his delight over his introduction to the "c" word, particularly in the dressing room's being called, the "C***ebago", or when referring to Cate Blanchett as "her C***liness." Or was that some other interview?

Blossom wrote:
I'm a Brit, and I admit I had no idea that the 'C' word was 'embraced' over here. It may well be - but I'm an old codger, and I've led a very sheltered life! That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it!
I'm relieved to hear that. I really do respond to obscene language negatively, but more on the grounds of aesthetics than morals. Hearing it is like having to hear grafitti (rather than see it). And the more lovely the person who utters it (like EW), the more it grates. I tend to shrug when I see ugly works spray-painted on the walls of a beaten-up shed or an already-grungy carpark. But it grieves me to see a mess scrawled over a creamy Georgian edifice.

~ Mechtild

And P.S., one needn't be his actual mother's age to feel the pull. I've seen barely grown teenagers (over at TORc) nearly lactate over dear, tear-stained Frodo as he stands, chin a-tremble, on the banks of the Anduin.

Oh, Mech! I didn't mean to say his only fans were of the middled-aged sort, nor did I mean to exclude the occassional male of any age. Just that the prospect of queus of middle-aged ladies surely does not carry the interest for a young male. However I'm awfully glad I gave you opportunity to unfurl that hilarious sentence!

Achilla said: Yes, you're absolutely remembering correctly, Bunnie. And he's right. I think we've talked about this before -- if you take a word like that out of context, it loses it's "dirty" meaning.

While the word no longer gives me the same since of betrayed innocence that it did when I first encountered it in a Joyce Carol Oates novel in my early twenties, it still makes me grit my teeth whether used as an "endearment" for a large sweaty British bloke, or a bitchy woman who's got the last parking spot on a sweltering summer day!

Hm! Wasn't Joyce Carol Oates one of Jonathan Safran Foer's professors in college? Maybe that explains a few things!

Blossom said: I'm no angel. I can often be heard screaming at my hubby, 'Leave that bloody Frodo-doll alone!' as I catch him tying a piece of elastic around the neck of poor Frodo-In-Orc-Armour, in preperation to hang him from a hook on the kitchen dresser! But that's about as far as my swearing goes! )

:lol:

honey!

BTW, it was Jon Favreau who liked Hooligans so much, he traveled with it to the Tribeca Film Festival (I couldn't remember who it was when this came up yesterday or the day before). For those playing the game, the link to Lij is in one -- Jon Favreau was in Deep Impact, as the doomed astronaut Gus Partenza (he was also in Rudy with Seanwise).

Happy Birthday, Serena! :k

The bit about Elijah's (apparently escalating :eek: :( :rolleyes: ) smoking and his comment about moving to France is, by itself, another Johnny Depp connection. Depp has been quoted as saying that one of his reasons for moving to France was his desire to be able to smoke wherever and whenever he wished! Of course the fact that his partner is a French pop singer was probably more of a factor, but he does like the French attitude toward smoking.

Here are the details if anyone is in Scotland:

http://www.edfilmfest.org.uk/movies/show/green_street/

For general information on the Edinburgh Intl. Film Fest:
http://www.edfilmfest.org.uk


Has anyone noticed that the movie Thumbsucker (that Elijah was supposed to do, but he was too old!) is also playing in the Edinburgh film fest? Instead of Elijah being in the movie, now it has Keanu Reeves! :eek:

Oh, Mech! I didn't mean to say his only fans were of the middled-aged sort, nor did I mean to exclude the occassional male of any age. Just that the prospect of queus of middle-aged ladies surely does not carry the interest for a young male. However I'm awfully glad I gave you opportunity to unfurl that hilarious sentence!

Yes! :lol: Now I have lots of new imagery in my already cluttered mind. Tee hee.

As far as the language, I'm sure some of it is his age, but I have to admit I (at a supposedly mature 44) find bad language use funny in a covert, you're-not-supposed-to-do-that in public sort of way, like many people find flatulence.

That's why I always giggle through Green Day's "Platypus," which is named, I imagine, because platypusses (platypi?) are poisonous. Billy Joe Armstrong goes an admirable tear on that song, which is the only song's whose lyrics aren't written out on the CD Nimrod.

I really need to grow out of this, especially since I'm a deacon and all, but I do giggle every time. Especially since he fellows the profanities with a whimsical little "whoo!"

Has anyone noticed that the movie Thumbsucker (that Elijah was supposed to do, but he was too old!) is also playing in the Edinburgh film fest? Instead of Elijah being in the movie, now it has Keanu Reeves! :eek:

Yes, but Keanu doesn't play the same character Elijah was going to play. :)

As to EW's interview--I always sit back and try to picture the atmosphere of the interview and in this case maybe it was rollicking....so elijah makes jokes about smoking bans. If you asked him seriously his response might be more complex. And it's quite possible the interviewer was having fun playing up all of the language issues and they were rolling along together in a joking fashion. And it could be that is how the interviewer ended up editing--framing the story around the topic. Don't know. But could very well be. You don't always hear Elijah swearing in interviews, now do you? :cool:

Happy Birthday, Serena!!

Happy birthday, Serena! In case you need some music for your party, perhaps this gentleman can provide it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/SXSWDJ.jpg

BunnieBugs! Thanks for the Total Film interview! I had to laugh at this: You know, obviously physically I'm not a frightening person
Mechtild wrote: never was suffering and whimpering and angsting more appealingly played. You were referring specifically to Frodo; but as I became familiar with his earlier films over the past year, I was struck by how well he did this even as a little boy. As I’ve probably said here before, nobody else could do such a good job of looking emotionally wounded.

As for Elijah’s language, as I’ve also probably said here before, the only “bad” word that I’ve seen him use that I haven’t used myself at some point is the infamous c-word. And if he were to prioritize his “vices,” in terms of the importance of reforming them, I’d rather see him quit smoking than quit swearing. Four-letter words aren’t going to kill him.

Sharpe’s Girl: Thanks for the Elijah-in-film-history chain. And you got back to 1932 in only three steps! And ceefour: 1912!

For Elijah Wood, of course , the appeal of the group dynamic is nothing new. Three years of partying, surfing, bonding and occasionally working on the set of Peter Jackson's Rings trilogy has seen the "sometimes shy, sometimes removed, always manic" youngster morph into a man for whom buddies are key.

Just out of curiousity, anybody know where that "shy-removed-manic" quote comes from? :confused:

Just out of curiousity, anybody know where that "shy-removed-manic" quote comes from? :confused:I took it to mean that this was something Elijah said about himself, to the author of the piece.

Happy Birthday, Serena!

And belated Birthday Greetings to Ainon and Prim.

Mechtild, lactation seems to be a puzzling hormonal response to EW. Could you explain?

C4

Three years of partying, surfing, bonding and occasionally working ... has seen the "sometimes shy, sometimes removed, always manic" youngster morph into a man for whom buddies are key.
I do not remember the original article, but that was the description of Elijah when he first started filming LOTR. He had just turned 18, this was the first time that he was away from home by himself for any length of time and he didn't know anyone. He is still a little shy today at 24. Still gets tongue tied talking to women he doesn't know. Crowds of people still make him feel nervous. That is why you always see him playing DJ at parties, so he doesn't have to mingle and talk. He has never been good at "working it." When he arrived in N.Z. he didn't know if anyone would like him. At first he thought that everyone didn't like him because they kept insulting him. Then he found out that it was just the "British humour" to friendly insult everyone. In the bonding process, Elijah picked it up "to be one of the guys." After three years, the language kind've sticks. Elijah said that after LOTR his use of profanity did die down a bit, but picked right back up when he was with the Brits again filming Hooligans.
Give him time. The language will naturally die back down again since it is really not part of the culture that he lives in. It is a "guy thing." He will partially outgrow it. He is intellegent enough to know when he can use it and when not to.

ceefour wrote:
Mechtild, lactation seems to be a puzzling hormonal response to EW. Could you explain?
Hmmm... Well, within the context of the original comment, I meant that the spectacle of EW (as Frodo) suffering and in distress provoked an intense "maternal" sort of response, not only in women who were old enough to be maternal in real life, but in very young women, too.

I chose "lactate" in order to highlight that response as an intense, almost overwhelming one, like what happens when one is lactating. For many nursing mothers [raises hand], the sound of their baby crying will automatically start a flow of milk ("letting down"). The brain receives the "distress" stimulus and the body does the rest, producing the milk to meet the baby's needs, even if the mother knows the baby is crying for some other reason.

Perhaps it was too distant a comparison. :)

Just announced on Dougie Brinson's website, that the U.K. release date for Green Street/Hooligans has been moved back to September 9th. :mad:
This was done to accomodate the screening of Green Street/Hooligans at the Edinburgh Intl. Film Festival. :)

http://brimson.net

http://www.edfilmfest.org.uk

Mechtild, an intense maternal response to Frodo makes sense. As an experienced (don't anybody dare say old) maternity nurse, I should have made the connection. :rolleyes: Maybe I am too involved in the mechanics! ;)

C4

Ceefour wrote:

As an experienced (don't anybody dare say old) maternity nurse, I should have made the connection.
A maternity nurse? What a wonderful job (or I guess it would be; although when things go bad in maternity wards, they go very bad, which must be difficult to bear).

P.S. I should note that in my opinion an EW-as-Frodo fan's feelings includes but is not limited to strong maternal feelings. In fact, rather than "maternal," I should say "parental," or "protective," since males respond to this sort of thing, too (although they don't lactate :D ).

Mechtild

I do not remember the original article, but that was the description of Elijah when he first started filming LOTR. He had just turned 18, this was the first time that he was away from home by himself for any length of time and he didn't know anyone.
I remember being so happy for Elijah when it became obvious that there was some real bonding going on during LotR filming. He'd said earlier that he'd never really had close friends because since childhood he'd basically lived on film sets and relationships there aren't permanent--you'd become friendly with people you worked with, but then you'd all move on to other projects and never see each other again, unless two of you happened to end up on another film together. He said he had lots of phone numbers (Brooke Shields being one I remember him mentioning), but he never used them.

I kind of held my breath when he said he knew his LotR friendships would last a lifetime, but so far the three Fallohides, at least, seem to keep in touch. They're not constantly with each other, but sometimes planning to get together occasionally is the best way to keep a friendship going long-term. I believe they have their plans made for next New Year's.

(((PJ))) for casting such great guys :cool: .


Give him time. The language will naturally die back down again since it is really not part of the culture that he lives in. It is a "guy thing." He will partially outgrow it. He is intellegent enough to know when he can use it and when not to.
Ditto to all of that. He's very attuned to the kind of audience he's presenting himself to. If a particular interview isn't one I'd run into in normal life (that is, one I'd read or hear if it were an actor I didn't keep special track of), I figure I'm not the intended audience and don't worry too much about how he comes across. Within my "natural habitat," the one place I've seen Elijah interviewed several times is the Today Show. Whenever he's been interviewed there he's come across as an intelligent, insightful, courteous young man--just the way we viewers of that program would want to see him. :) And, as has been said before in the thread, I don't think either type of presentation is an "act"--they're just different sides of the whole person.

tgshaw wrote- They're not constantly with each other, but sometimes planning to get together occasionally is the best way to keep a friendship going long-term
Very true. You have to stay in contact, or any relationship will die. Wasn't it last week that we saw pictures of Elijah and Dom outside a bar in England after watching one of the soccer playoffs? Elijah will be at the Edinburgh film festival. You know that Billy Boyd will be there too. What do you think the odds are that these two will get together for a pint, or four?

I thought that it would be good for Elijah and Hooligans to kill two birds with one stone. Do the Edinburgh film fest August 23 and 24, then pop down to London for the Premier of Hooligans August 26. Makes sense to me, so that's why they just moved the London Premier date to September 9. :mad:

Ditto to all of that. He's very attuned to the kind of audience he's presenting himself to. If a particular interview isn't one I'd run into in normal life (that is, one I'd read or hear if it were an actor I didn't keep special track of), I figure I'm not the intended audience and don't worry too much about how he comes across. Within my "natural habitat," the one place I've seen Elijah interviewed several times is the Today Show. Whenever he's been interviewed there he's come across as an intelligent, insightful, courteous young man--just the way we viewers of that program would want to see him. And, as has been said before in the thread, I don't think either type of presentation is an "act"--they're just different sides of the whole person.
and ditto to you, TG!

I think my initial unpleasant reaction to that whole interview came about because of a mis-reading of the first interchange about banned smoking. I'll bet that interviewer and Elijah both are wishing they could take that bit back. Go read it again in light of events last week in London. The first thing that occured to me was the bombings, and then Lij ends up to be talking about an impending ban of smoking, and my initial reaction was " :mad: That shallow little twit!:mad:" It's all just due to horrible timing about something only four individuals could have foreseen, but it still seems an unfortunate juxtaposition to me.

I'm better now! :)

honey!

Go read it again in light of events last week in London. The first thing that occured to me was the bombings, and then Lij ends up to be talking about an impending ban of smoking, and my initial reaction was " :mad: That shallow little twit!:mad:" It's all just due to horrible timing about something only four individuals could have foreseen, but it still seems an unfortunate juxtaposition to me. To tell the truth, honey, I also thought that's what they were talking about at first. But then, that would've been impossible since magazines like that are complete months before they show up on the newsstands, let alone in subscribers' mailboxes. So it's possible that that interview could've even been done at SXSW, months ago, when they had that press conference.

But then, that would've been impossible since magazines like that are complete months before they show up on the newsstands, let alone in subscribers' mailboxes. So it's possible that that interview could've even been done at SXSW, months ago, when they had that press conference.

Yeah, I know you're right, Achila. Like I said, unfortunate timing.

Edit to Add: One degree of seperation to Steve Buscemi, double link; can anybody find the movie I'm talking about? ;)

honey!

Edit to Add: One degree of seperation to Steve Buscemi, double link; can anybody find the movie I'm talking about? ;)
I tried to answer this one, and could only get as far as the fact that Steve Buscemi was in Spy Kids 3D, but I can't for the life of me figure out what the second link is... :confused:


In other news, this just showed up on the Warner Independent Pictures site regarding EII:

This film has been rated PG-13 for disturbing images/violence, sexual content and language.

That's about what I expected for this film, I think.

I tried to answer this one, and could only get as far as the fact that Steve Buscemi was in Spy Kids 3D, but I can't for the life of me figure out what the second link is...

He was in Spy Kids 3D? :eek: Oh. Well, that wasn't the movie I had in mind! Think a little more obscure. Will if help if I add that the film was based on a comic book? :)

Yup, PG13 sounds about right for EiI. Can't wait! I just wanna see a trailer, and soon!

honey!

Well if they've rated EiI it must be all ready to go! So where's the trailer Liev???? :confused: ;)

Edit: http://www.whoisaugustine.com/ Seems to be finished but no trailer yet.

Dearest Faculty friends,
thank you so much for all those wonderful birthday messages! :k It was such a thrill to return here after 3 weeks of not even having the time to lurk :o and find that I hadn't even been forgotten .... (Who but Elijah could bring together such a fantastic group of fans who are not only so intelligent, insightful and discerning but so warm and caring and tolerant too? :) )
How do people keep finding such gorgeous new pics?
And Blossom is just so gifted! :cool: (Blossom, I think I recognise the screencap as being from one of my very favourite sequences - how did you guess???? - in Aragorn's boat on the the River Anduin, if I'm not mistaken? - but for some reason it doesn't seem to be animated the way your gifs usually are - have I done something wrong?) But THANK YOU :k

And Quicksilver, THANK YOU for the tip about the Edinburgh Film Festival! (Adorable pic of Elijah on their site, btw.) I don't live in the UK, but I've been planning a visit there in August and a quick trip to Edinburgh that week would fit in perfectly! It seems the tickets go on sale, um, any time now. Which of the two showings will Elijah attend - anyone know? (Presumably the first?) Anyone else feel like going ??? ;) If so, do let me know!
As some of you have noted, it's so surreal to see Thumbsucker given top billing (today, anyway) alongside Green Street. Ánd to think that I was talking to Billy about Hooligans not 3 months ago (not that he'll remember, but even so .... :D )

Skatergirl, wood, I'm so sorry for the long silence. I'll be in touch :k
The last 3 weeks, ever since we returned from our wonderful Elijahfest chez Whiteling - have been wall-to wall work - day job during the day, followed by intensive rehearsals every night, including weekends, for the (apparently famous) Barbican Theatre production of Shakespeare's Julius Caesar (starring one Ralph Fiennes as Mark Antony - kept bumping into him in corridor as he emerged from dressing room in his underwear, for some reason :D ) which actually came to this little country and required 90 extras to be the crowd of plebs and react to more or less everything Caesar (John Shrapnel), Brutus (Anton Lesser) and Antony said, so yours truly was drafted in to be a pleb (always knew my place!). It was all an experience and a half - luckily it wasn't until the last day that I went down with the respiratory virus that's flooring everyone here and has given me the time off work to write this, so I'm grateful for that too! Could get used to this - the kind of virus that pins you to the bed/home for a few days but doesn't kill or maim you. Are they selling it on eBay yet? ;)

honeyelf wrote: One degree of seperation to Steve Buscemi, double link; can anybody find the movie I'm talking about? I think he was in Ghost World, with Thora Birch (Paradise) and Scarlett Johannson (North)??

Add Edit:

OK, inspired by tg’s Johnny Depp example, I’ve come up with 12 one-step links between Elijah and Kevin Spacey (didn't have the energy to pursue this beyond one step). There are two actors who appear twice in this dozen. Only one person is from LotR. (Disclaimer: I knew about two-thirds of these, and looked up the others.)

Kevin Spacey--The Usual Suspects--Kevin Pollack
Kevin Pollack--Avalon--Elijah Wood

Hobmom, do you think the site for EII is completed? Nothing happens yet when the boxes in the basement are clicked on.

serena, hope you are feeling better and 'break a leg!'

C4

Here's something cool -- Amazon.com just released their list of the 25 top-selling DVDs -- guess which movies were their top 3?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/14110781/ref%3Dpe%5Fanniv%5Fhof%5F3/102-3590695-6116966

Steve Buscemi - Liv Tyler ("Armegeddon")
Liv Tyler - Elijah Wood ("LOTR")

I forget... does this representt one degree of separation or two? Hope this helped.

Had the same reaction as many of you to the EJW interview re: their seeming applicability to recent London tragedies. Interpretation is a funny thing, huh?

I think [Steve Buscemi] was in Ghost World, with Thora Birch (Paradise) and Scarlett Johannson (North)??

Pelagia has got it!

We rented Ghost World a couple of weeks ago, and enjoyed it alot. We watched some of the extras, and I was amused at the Director. He said his wife suggested that if he wanted her to remain faithful, he shouldn't leave her alone in a rooom with Steve Buscemi! He proceeded to ask several female friends if they also found Steve Buscemi appealing in that way; he claimed that, to a woman, they did! :eek: :lol: He didn't ask me! ;)

honey!

IM SO SORRY I MISED YOUR BIRTHDAY SERENA!!! :( :( :(


HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!

HOPE IT WAS A GOOD ONE!!!!!!! :k :k

SORRY i haven`t been around for the discution for so long!!!
Hmm, this is totally off-topic but i whant my friends to know why!!

I am in a middle of some kind of personal crise! Nothing to worry about thou
i have been there before and i will recover!!!
I alwayes have this kind of things during summertime!!
i feel so much presure on me from all!!!!
here in sweden we have 4 weeks vaccation so there are so many things the family whants to do!!!!
Iknow this is a time you shoulde in joy beeing with the family!!!
thats what i mean with crise i dont !!!
well i know this is totally the wrong place for this kind of thing but you are
my friends i whanted you to know why i dont post!!!
But dont worry i will be back when everything is back to normal again!!!!
I guee with summer time RL realy is chasing me!!!!!

Iwill be around delurking but dont post as much!!!!

I will alwayes be with you!!! AND WITH ELIJAH OF CURES!!!!! :D :D :p :p

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

Iknow this is a time you shoulde in joy beeing with the family!!!
thats what i mean with crise i dont !!!

I had to laugh at your post--I totally understand! As much as I love my family, sometimes their needs and mine don't match up. At least you know the right cure (Elijah of Cures!)! ;)

Like you, Honey, I'm not in agreement with the Steve Buscemi character from Ghost World. About half of the men I've dated in my life were like that character, and believe me, Thora Birch made the right move! Guys that obsessive are usually a mess.

I like mine just a little obsessive.

Like my husband, who has every episode of both Angel and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. He is just obsessive enough to stay off my back about my own obsessions.

Have a look at this -- http://digilander.libero.it/trumanburbank/best_actor.htm

Scroll down to "Who Knows". Not that Lij is exactly being projected as Best Actor in this one, but the fact that he's mentioned here is exciting.

Here is a new article from the Hollywood Economist, titled "The Vanishing Box Office" which might help explain one of the reasons that Green Street/Hooligans was not picked up.

http://www.slate.com/id/2122000/?GT1=6666

honeyelf wrote, re Steve Buscemi: He said his wife suggested that if he wanted her to remain faithful, he shouldn't leave her alone in a room with Steve Buscemi! He proceeded to ask several female friends if they also found Steve Buscemi appealing in that way; he claimed that, to a woman, they did! He didn't ask me! Or me! Ewwwwwww. He always looks as if he needs a good scrubbing. Now, that’s another actor whom I first encountered on Homicide: Life on the Street – as a cop-killer, IIRC – and thought was thoroughly creepy. A good actor, though.

Achila wrote, re “The Oscar Jam” website for which she provided a link: Not that Lij is exactly being projected as Best Actor in this one, but the fact that he's mentioned here is exciting. Plus, that’s a lovely little moody picture of him (wish I could make it bigger):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/Oscarjammoody.jpg

Nice to see Viggo mentioned, too.

ceefour: Right about Kevin Pollak as one link between Spacey and Elijah. There’s another one in the same Spacey movie.

Ereshkigal wrote: Like my husband, who has every episode of both Angel and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Ooooooooooh! If you ever get tired of him, please send him over!

Pelagia, that would be Benicio del Toro.

txtac, thanks for the interesting article. While there is something special about the lights dimming and a movie appearing on a big screen (even though the screens keep shrinking), as the article pointed out, home systems just keep improving, and maybe the allure of the movie house may fade for many.

C4

txtac, thanks for the interesting article. While there is something special about the lights dimming and a movie appearing on a big screen (even though the screens keep shrinking), as the article pointed out, home systems just keep improving, and maybe the allure of the movie house may fade for many.Particularly if they keep pushing crap at us and expecting us to pay upwards of $10 for the priviledge of seeing it! ;)

ceefour wrote- maybe the allure of the movie house may fade for many.
Many of the large theaters in my area are already renting out theater space and the "big screens" for private parties and special screenings. They even have a promo going that if you bring in your x-box, or playstation, they will hook it up and you can play video games up on the big screen. Just what we need, more blood and guts "splattered up there in 70mm wide screen!"


If anyone else has a "U-rent-em" theater in their area, I am thinking about using one, or all of these for the movie Hooligans when it is released. Check your area. It might work in your area too! ???

(Blossom, I think I recognise the screencap as being from one of my very favourite sequences - how did you guess???? - in Aragorn's boat on the the River Anduin, if I'm not mistaken? - but for some reason it doesn't seem to be animated the way your gifs usually are - have I done something wrong?)

Serena - Yes, the first section is from the boat journey on the Anduin - one of my favourite scenes, too. Did you try saving the gif to your computer? Sometimes the gifs play too slowly, or appear slightly distorted when I click on the link (I don't know why that should be, as we're on broadband. Perhaps it's something to do with imagemagician, the image-hosting site I use) - but if I save them back to my computer they play perfectly. The two that make up your birthday gif are quite short, and 'pause' for the page-turn effect. It could be that they simply don't appear to move as freely as other gifs I have posted. I'm sorry you had problems with it, but happy that at least I chose a favourite scene of yours. :)

Achila - I'm thrilled to see that FOTR EE is No. 1 at Amazon. It's still my favourite of the three films, and the one I watch most frequently. Could it be something to do with Frodo having oodles of screen time? ;) :)

Wood- Have a great time with your family during the summer break. We'll miss you, but I'm sure you'll pop in whenever you can. :k

Hobmom, do you think the site for EII is completed? Nothing happens yet when the boxes in the basement are clicked on.

If you place your cursor over the third box down in the middle row, Ceefour, the box will highlight, and if you click on it you will see a picture with relevant quotes from the book.

thank you Blossom !!!! :k :k

i will have a good time!!! we hade a terrible thunderstorm here
this evening but it was expected it has been terribly hot for three
weeks wich is rather unusuell for this month!!

Pelagia ,what a beautiful picture!!! were can i find a bigger one??? :p

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

Pelagia ,what a beautiful picture!!! were can i find a bigger one???I don't have it bigger, but I do have the full pic:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/586053_3113551630277588344_vl.jpg

Edit: I take it back -- I have it HUGE. It's around 486K, and you can also find it at Elijahfan.com here (http://www.elijahfan.com/gallery/index.php?spgmGal=Movies/Eternal_Sunshine_of_The_Spotless_Mind/Behind_scenes&spgmPic=44&spgmFilters=t#pic)

Frodo is so sorry he missed Serena's birthday :(
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/ShirelingUK/PDVD_042.jpg
And so am I :eek: But I hope you had a lovely day :)

I'm thrilled to see that FOTR EE is No. 1 at Amazon. It's still my favourite of the three films, and the one I watch most frequently. Could it be something to do with Frodo having oodles of screen time?
That could well be the reason, Blossom :) FOTR will always be my favourite too - although I love all three, of course, with a passion - as you know :D Btw, I'm still working on the reply to your email ;)
I remember being so happy for Elijah when it became obvious that there was some real bonding going on during LotR filming

It makes me happy too TG - the fact that he's made lifelong friends. This was something he so obviously missed as a child - I remember being really touched when he said in an interview "they're the first bunch of buddies I've ever had". I really hope the fact that they now have girlfriends isn't going to get in the way of their New Year get-togethers.
And, as has been said before in the thread, I don't think either type of presentation is an "act"--they're just different sides of the whole person.
That is exactly it, TG. And I think Sean Astin hit the nail on the head in his book when he described Elijah as "something of a chameleon". Elijah appears to adapt very well to different people and situations - but in a very genuine way, so that different aspects of his character come to the fore at different times. And re the language - I wouldn't tolerate my (now grown-up) children using those words at home but as others have said, I'm certain Elijah would recognise when its inappropriate to use them. I mean - I've never heard him use 'that word' and I'm sure no-one else here has - we only know his thoughts about it because of a printed article.

I was also intrigued by the "sometimes shy, sometimes removed, always manic" quote. Of the hundreds of articles/interviews I've read, I've never seen that before. I've always thought Elijah has a certain shyness, which is very unusual for an actor. He may appear very confident most of the time - but its there, definitely. I remember him being asked once if he liked parties - and he said only if knew people there. That would be my exact response to that question - and I am a very shy person :o
should note that in my opinion an EW-as-Frodo fan's feelings includes but is not limited to strong maternal feelings. In fact, rather than "maternal," I should say "parental," or "protective," since males respond to this sort of thing, too (although they don't lactate ).
Oh, I don't know Mechtild, I think weeping, chin-quivering Frodo would even get Adolf Hitler lactating :D (If he'd happened to be on the banks of the Anduin at the time, which I know is not very likely!!).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/ShirelingUK/crying1.jpg
Oh dear! Just realised I've included two very angsty Frodo pics in this post. That probably says something about me - though I'm not sure exactly what :confused:

I mean - I've never heard him use 'that word' and I'm sure no-one else here has - we only know his thoughts about it because of a printed article. Actually, I have heard him use it, in a radio interview. But it was a similar situation, where they were talking about the language that he'd picked up from his British friends; I've not actually heard him "use" it in context. :) I'll bet it's mostly his circle of friends that gets treated to it regularly. ;)

Did everyone hear the news that Ringers: Lord of the Fans got picked up by Sony Home Entertainment? I guess that means that we'll all finally be able to see it when it comes out on DVD in November! :cool:

Speak of the devil Bunnie, I was just going to post this. It is the movie poster announcement. I would like to get a copy of this poster. ;)

http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/ringerslordofthefans/index.html

I also noticed that someone has finally made screencaps from the new U.K. trailer for Green Street/ Hooligans. Here they are:

http://photobucket.com/albums/b244/beyki500/?start=all

Oh dear! Just realised I've included two very angsty Frodo pics in this post. That probably says something about me - though I'm not sure exactly what :confused:

I love the angsty pictures you posted, Shireling! I too dunno what that says about me :p?


I just had the pleasure of watching a long, Elijah-filled Hooligans trailer. :) (Mechtild, not much occasion for lactating with that one though, I afraid ;). More of a vasopressor!) You find it here: http://www.uip.co.uk/non_theatrical/default.asp
You have to register first, but it's free. After that go
here (http://www.uip.co.uk/PremiereClub/UIP_PremiereClub_Questionnaire.asp?PID=280). The trailer has been linked up with a questionnaire. So, let them know what you think ;)!!!


(((Serena))) :k
(((Wood))) :k

Have a nice weekend, all :)!

Shireling wrote:
I think weeping, chin-quivering Frodo would even get Adolf Hitler lactating.
HA! That was good! :p

But do you know what? I never lactate for Frodo in that scene. (Nor the "single tear" scene outside Moria that is so cherished.) I probably have already confessed it here, though. Scads of other Frodo scenes reduce me to empathetic, suffering-on-his-behalf jelly, but not that one.

By the way, thanks for posting those shots, especially the first one which is not posted often.

Whiteling, I clicked your link for the Hooligans trailer, but I didn't see it. I clicked "New Releases" and "Coming Soon" and "Vault" but didn't see the title (either of them). What should I be clicking instead, once I open it? :) Did they change the name of it yet again? I have heard so much swoonage over his Matt, of course I want to see it. His appeal is more all-encompassing than just that of maternal. Bosoms not only lactate, but heave for the little cutie. ;)

Thanks, Mechtild

Whiteling, I clicked your link for the Hooligans trailer, but I didn't see it. I clicked "New Releases" and "Coming Soon" and "Vault" but didn't see the title (either of them). What should I be clicking instead, once I open it? :) Did they change the name of it yet again? I have heard so much swoonage over his Matt, of course I want to see it. His appeal is more all-encompassing than just that of maternal. Bosoms not only lactate, but heave for the little cutie. ;)


Right you are, Mechtild, I forgot totally about the heaving :p.
I had problems to find the trailer as well, dropping in via the main site.
Now, that's really odd. I just checked the link ("here") I've posted and couldn't get onto it :confused: ??? Then I tried it again and it worked. Hmm. I also tried in this post to link to it again, but clicking on the link lead only to their main site. Has anyone the same problem? All I can say is that they put it in the section "competitions", but again, trying to go there from the main page didn't work. HELP! Anyone more web site savvy than me? :rolleyes:

THE TRAILER IS AWESOME. Thank you so much for pointing the way!

This is a postcard that was being given away at ComiCon yesterday, as part of a Hooligans promotion that someone there was doing. I'm glad someone thought of that -- should be a great place to stir up interest!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/hooligans.jpg

BunnieBugs wrote:
THE TRAILER IS AWESOME. Thank you so much for pointing the way!
Oh, boo hoo hoo! :( I still can't find it in the linked site! :confused:

~ Mechtild

Oh, boo hoo hoo! :( I still can't find it in the linked site! :confused: Just go here (http://www.uip.co.uk/PremiereClub/UIP_PremiereClub_Questionnaire.asp?PID=280), and I think the rest will become clear as you work your way through. :)

I like that new poster for GS Hooligans much better than I like the original! And the trailer was great! :D

Regarding the theater vs. home viewing discussion: TxTac, where you live don't they have those theater/pub sort of set ups? How do those work out? Are people respectful of other people's viewing experience, or is it chaotic? Is the movie just part of the background?

honey!

Actually, I have heard him use it, in a radio interview
Oh my God - this means there's a radio interview out there which I do not have in my possession :eek: Or do I? Starts frenzied search through disk mountain :z:

Did everyone hear the news that Ringers: Lord of the Fans got picked up by Sony Home Entertainment? I guess that means that we'll all finally be able to see it when it comes out on DVD in November!
That is wonderful news, Bunnie!! I remember seeing some of this at ORC and it looks really good.

I forgot to mention in my last post how glad I am that US fans will be able to see Green Street/Hooligans after all - what a relief for you!! And we have so much to look forward to this year now with that and EII and now Ringers :)

Did anyone see the article about PJ talking about dvds at ComiCon? Must have been a video link. Sorry I can't link to the article - I've, er... lost it :o but it was saying that he and New Line definitely want to do a super-duper LOTR dvd. No mention of when - and I'd rather he'd said we 'definitely are' rather than 'want to' - it reminded me of the DVD Panel at ORC saying it was really up to us, the fans, to make New Line know how much we want this, that it wasn't actually set in stone, they needed to be made aware of the demand for it. So it may be worthwhile fans emailing New Line about this - not necessarily right now, but in the not-too-distant future - I know I certainly will, if I can ever find their email address. On IMDB there's a phone and fax number but no email :confused:

Love the Hooligans trailer ~ I'm so looking forward to this :)

Thank you for trying, BunnieBugs. :k The link opened just fine. I went through all the registration directions, got to where one chooses a player format; I chose; then I was told I had to fill out the questionnaire. This was odd, since I hadn't yet seen it and the questions were all about how I liked it. I filled it out anyway, making guesses. Then it thanked me and told me what other trailers I could watch. But it never offered me the option of actually watching the trailer.

I went back and clicked every format offered, filling out the requested questionnaire each time; but no dice. I clicked everything on the screen! I guess I will have to wait until it is linked by some other site. Fooey.

~ Mechtild :(

Did anyone see the article about PJ talking about dvds at ComiCon? Must have been a video link. Sorry I can't link to the article - I've, er... lost it :o but it was saying that he and New Line definitely want to do a super-duper LOTR dvd.Pete mentioned this at the TORn party last year, that that was when we could expect the blooper reel. So this has been in the works (in some fashion or another) for some time. He also mentioned at that point that he was looking to possibly do it in HD, since he figured that would be a more popular format eventually.

As for the Hooligans trailer, Mechtild (and no, I have no intentions of calling it Green Street anything, ever!), after you've filled out all the info, you can go back and watch the trailer -- that's what I did. Worse comes to worse, start the site again and put in your registration info.

Thanks, Achila, but every time I fill out the questions again and submit them, and after it tells me 'thanks' and 'would I like to check out the other stuff?', and after I go back to click a media choice for playing the trailer, it does not play but shows me a back arrow, saying, "Answer questions."

I guess it isn't registering the answers I fill out each time, since it is behaving as if I never have complied. Or maybe our machine has something programmed into it that screws it up.

Thanks for trying, though. :)

~ Mechtild

:( I can't get the trailer to play either, Metchtild. And I've done everything you have. Mr. UPS hasn't shown up yet either with my Harry Potter book. I sure hope this day improves...

honeyelf wrote- where you live don't they have those theater/pub sort of set ups? How do those work out? Are people respectful of other people's viewing experience, or is it chaotic? Is the movie just part of the background?
Yes. There is one company that has branched out and has three different locations now in town. They open up mid to late afternoon and serve beer/wine and finger foods. I have not seen any young children there. These theater/resteraunts are small settings due to the shelf type tables and extra room between rows for the waitresses to walk through. Seating is around 220 people. These theaters were where Hooligans was shown at SXSW. 1400 people arrived to see the movie and only 200 people were allowed in to see it. I would like the movie to be shown in a larger venue that can seat more people. That means going to one of the larger public theaters.
The theater in the University of Texas is the largest in town. I still need to check on the number of seats in the other theaters that rent out their screens.

Mech, - If it's any consolation (and I guess it probably isn't), the Hooligans trailer won't work for me, either. :( Like you, I've gone through the registration process, and got as far as the media selection. I've tried clicking on both QuickTime and Windows Media. The players appear but the trailer doesn't play. :confused: I haven't answered the questions though.

I'll try another time. Hope you're successful eventually! :)

Thanks to you, Whiteling for the original link to that. :)

Shireling Wouldn't it be great if we could get our hands on that super-duper LOTR behind-the-scenes DVD? It's probably years away yet, but at least we have Ringers to look forward to - presuming it's released in November in the UK, too. Love your angsty Frodo pics. I'll look forward to your e-mail. :)

Blossom wrote- Wouldn't it be great if we could get our hands on that super-duper LOTR behind-the-scenes DVD? It's probably years away yet
Is that the one that was shown at the Amazon.com anniversary party, or the infamous blooper reel that everyone keeps talking about?

BunnieBugs: Thanks for posting the full picture of Elijah in the plaid muffler. [whimpers] And I like that "postcard" much better than the poster on the Hooligans website. For one thing, Matt now looks more like part of the group. And this picture conveys the idea of the solidarity among these men, whereas the other poster just makes them look like ruffians.

whiteling, thanks for alerting us to the trailer on the UIP site. Looks great, doesn’t it? And doesn’t he?? We even had a few glimpses of The Navy Turtleneck. With my slow connection, the trailer downloaded in spurts, interspersed with freeze frames, which at least had the advantage of permitting some squeesearch (e.g., some fine eyebrow acting in the first pub scene).

The trailer doesn’t seem to be listed on the “Trailers” page, so I wonder whether they are still tweaking it. I was also interested in the two questions dealing with football hooliganism as movie subject matter: they are obviously still pretty sensitive and wary about this.

shireling wrote: I've always thought Elijah has a certain shyness, which is very unusual for an actor. He may appear very confident most of the time - but its there, definitely. I remember him being asked once if he liked parties - and he said only if knew people there. That would be my exact response to that question - and I am a very shy person I’m the same way. But is shyness really very unusual for an actor? Some shy people might find acting quite liberating, because it enables them (while “hiding” in a character) to do all sorts of things that they would never do in real life. (Wonderful Frodo pix, BTW. You know there’s no such thing as too much angst among Faculty members.)

Regarding the super-duper LOTR DVD.

Is that the one that was shown at the Amazon.com anniversary party, or the infamous blooper reel that everyone keeps talking about?

Txtac - I'm not sure about the Amazon footage, but I think I'm correct in assuming any future DVD release would include the blooper reel. I have a feeling that it would mean buying the films again, too. The story at Torn is that, 'Jackson wants to do it showing the making of the film from a different perspective.' Sounds interesting anyway. :)

I'm not sure about the Amazon footageSpeaking of which, does anyone know how to see this?

Poor Blossom and Shelbyshire! We can boo hoo together. Blossom, I don't think filling out the questionnaire has anything to do with Windows Media or Quicktime things not playing. The questions are all meant to be answered AFTER one has viewed the trailer. I was just answering the questionnaire anyway, as an act of desperation.

txtac, I have never heard of these small view-with-food venues you all have been talking about. Are they everywhere and I just haven't been paying attention as usual?

Pelagia wrote:

But is shyness really very unusual for an actor? Some shy people might find acting quite liberating, because it enables them (while “hiding” in a character) to do all sorts of things that they would never do in real life.
Good observation. I certainly have known a few actors for whom that is exactly true.

~ Mechtild

:( On-topic: Still no trailer but the screencaps I've see are awesome as usual.

:) Off-topic: Excuse me. I just have to ask ceefour a quick question...

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TxTac:
Is that the one that was shown at the Amazon.com anniversary party, or the infamous blooper reel that everyone keeps talking about?

Oh, Guess what??! The Amazon party was tonight and they broadcast live on the web!!!! My daughter told me about it--she could only listen because with dial-up, well, that's all you can do. But she heard the tape--she said she never heard Elijah. MOstly it seemed to be fight training and a small film montage. She heard Viggo and David W. and Orlando do some narration (I think). She said it didn't sound too exciting--but hearing is not the same as seeing...who knows what was in that montage. Did anyone see it??

Oh, Darn!! :( I had something to add about actors and shyness but someone has just come to the door. I'll have to add later

mechtild asked- I have never heard of these small view-with-food venues you all have been talking about. Are they everywhere and I just haven't been paying attention as usual?
I do not know how wide spread they are, but every major town seems to have one. It seems like a good idea for a mature audience. If the theater revenue is down because everyone is staying home watching DVD's, you have to do something to bring them back to the theater. Offering beer, wine and real food during an arthouse movie, seems to be working on a small scale. The original company who developed it here has branched out to now having three theaters scattered around town. Now if only they had larger theaters...

Achila wrote- Speaking of which, does anyone know how to see this? (the Amazon footage)
My understanding is that at the Amazon Anniversary Party at the Amazon headquarters, they showed some "never before seen footage" of LOTR. I am assuming that since the LOTR movies are Amazon's best sellers, they worked out a deal with New Line to do something special. Showing "never before seen footage" would be a great way to get me in! In an earlier post, I asked if anyone lived near the headquarters and if they could stop by to check it out. Come back and let us know what it was about. Did anyone try to stop by? I have not heard, or seen any "never before seen footage" of LOTR online anywhere- yet.

Alyon wrote- The Amazon party was tonight and they broadcast live on the web!!!!

AAAAAaaaaaaaaggggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!! Here I am getting blasted on IMDb for posting news about Elijah and here on Khazad Dum we are getting nuggied for not posting news! :eek: :mad: :( :mad: :( :mad:

I live nearby Amazon and know an employee--but the party was off limits to anyone but those who worked there. Yeah, I asked.
But again, it showed live on the web on the Amazon site tonight--did anyone see it???? Or maybe it was only audio--for dial-up that was the case, but there was a different setting for those with DSL etc and it said "video"....

I don't know if this will work for anyone who couldn't view the Hooligans trailer on that website, but there is now a download available on LiveJournal. You will find it on undone27's journal. :)

Thanks, TxTac, for enlightening regarding those movie house/pub places. I'd think all that dropped cutlery, chewing and waitressing would get in the way of my enjoying my movie going experience, but who knows?

Last year, in the nearest large city, they built a new theater, or refurbished an old one. Anyway, they are trying to make the movie going experience enjoyable for all comers once again. The theater has the one thing that I think would be indispensible to making the movie-going experience really work again: ushers. An actual live usher stands up front and tells everyone to set cel phones and beepers to 'vibrate' before every show.They don't allow babies. I don't know if they wear those cute little suits with all the braid and stuff as I haven't actually been yet. You see, all this civilized behaviour comes at a price; it's $15 for a movie ticket! :eek:

Maybe I'll get my husband to take me if Everything is Illuminated :z: opens there!

honey!

Here is the Amazon 10th Anniversary Concert link, including the little movie...
( I haven't viewed this yet, but I will today sometime...do tell if it is any good !! )

For One Day only...Amazon concert (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/14110901/ref=amb_right-2_228510_3/102-1119621-2440138)

Yes, that's right...watch it today and download it if you can, because tomorrow it will be gone !!

Thank-you, Bunnie, for posting info about the Hooligans trailer...I know that Mech is having great difficulty watching it, and I think others may be having trouble too.
I didn't have any problem at all, and, yes, the trailer is excellent...makes me actually want to see a movie about Football Hooliganism...a sentence I never thought I'd ever type !!
The new poster for it is just FAB...even though I like the first one too...I will be SO looking forward to seeing this in full size posted around the tunnels of the London Underground...one of the most enjoyable aspects of travelling on the tube when there is an Elijah movie out...( God knows they are few and far between...the movies and the travelling !! )

The Amazon stuff is all fight sequences, sword training with Bob Anderson, Viggo and Orli, etc., and then a montage from the three films. The clip is hosted by David Wenham and it's about 10-15 minutes overall. It's at around 1.20 of the webcast.

Just stopping in to see what The One Lad is doing and how you all are. RL fell out from under me end of May and I've lurked a few times but haven't been keeping up.

So I see there's a new EII poster, a new Hooligans poster with a new movie name, and is TOL doing anything else?

Been crocheting and knitting up a storm, though.

~grumpy

GRUMPY!!! It's great to see you. I'm sorry to hear that RL has been rough for you of late, but hope you'll feel like popping in here again soon. We've all missed you! :k

Is TOL doing anything else?

Elijah will be doing some LOTR conventions and the Edinburgh Film Festival (where Green Street/Hooligans is showing) soon, but no news of any future roles as yet.

Bunnie - :) Yes, the Hooligans trailer on undone27's journal worked for me. Thanks so much for letting us know about that. :k

After watching that trailer, which contained no foul language whatsoever, I might be tempted to see the film. Perhaps I could stuff my delicate ears with cotton-wool, or candy-floss, or something, and just watch the film without sound. Of course I would take it out to hear 'One Blood,' which I love. :)

Achila - thanks for the Amazon Party link. No Elijah, and only brief glimpses of Frodo in the film montage.

grumpy! I had been wondering how you were doing. You have been missed around the old Lounge. I hope whatever has been shaking your RL continues to settle down. :)

~ Mechtild

Nice to see you, Grumpy! We were worrying about you. :)

I'm glad the trailer worked for you, Blossom! Briliant, isn't it? She has a link to some caps posted there, as well, for those who are interested. (And as for foul language, there is a character at the tail end of the trailer that uses the word "b*****ks". Is that not considered foul? I'm sure it's nothing compared to what is in the rest of the film, though. ;) )

Does anyone know what the film has been rated for the UK, yet? I'm just curious... I'm sure it will be R over here.

Hi, Grumpy! :) I am so glad you are still around! Hope RL improves for you soon. :k
I thought you might be enjoying the latest of my Frodo drawings. Here's TOL as he was still aborning:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/Party_Fro_unfin72dpi.jpg

(The finished work was posted on Wood's birthday in June)


Woo-hoo, Blossom, you managed it to see the trailer :)! I so hope, Mechtild and Shelbyshire are lucky, too. Fingers crossed for you both!

Zkgrumpy
How lovely to see you in here again...it's been simply AGES..I do hope whatever it is that has been bogging you down in RL has eased off a bit now, and that you will be able to drop by more often...we enjoy your input !!

Blossom
Achila - thanks for the Amazon Party link. No Elijah, and only brief glimpses of Frodo in the film montage.

Actually it was Alyon who first alerted us all to this, and me who provided the actual link...but that's OK ;)
Is it worth watching if there is that small an appearance by Our Lij ? I haven't got around to watching it yet,....too many board games in the garden going on !!

Whiteling
What an absolutely LOVELY addition to your portfolio...and even though it was a working sketch, it still has that spark of the essential Frodo within it...
Gorgeous !!!

Hi, Grumpy! :) I am so glad you are still around! Hope RL improves for you soon. :k
I thought you might be enjoying the latest of my Frodo drawings. Here's TOL as he was still aborning:

:::: sniffle ::::

Thanks, Whiteling! It's just beautiful! I guess all those pages of dots and squiggles I sent you worked, huh? ;D

~grumpy

And as for foul language, there is a character at the tail end of the trailer that uses the word "b*****ks". Is that not considered foul?

Oh dear! Now that you've mentioned it, Bunnie, I did hear that, but for some reason it just didn't register. Delayed reaction - :eek: ;) Of course it could be a side-effect of gazing at a certain actor, the sight of whom obliterates my other senses. :)

Actually it was Alyon who first alerted us all to this, and me who provided the actual link...but that's OK

Lady Wendy- A thousand apologies for my mistake! And to you too, Alyon! :o

Is it worth watching if there is that small an appearance by Our Lij ?

Not really. After watching a few minutes of the introduction I fast-forwarded until I found the LOTR clip. It's as Achila described. There's no Elijah, and nothing of Frodo that isn't included in the films or DVD's.

Whiteling Even half-completed your Frodo sketch is beautiful. :)

whiteling :eek: ,brain is still addled from being up all night reading.

Waves to grumpy!

C-going to take a nap-4

grumpy! At last! Here's a Hooligans-related picture to welcome you back:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/hooligans6.jpg

BunnieBugs wrote: And as for foul language, there is a character at the tail end of the trailer that uses the word "b*****ks". Is that not considered foul? DK about the UK, but here in the US, I don't think it is - perhaps because many people don't know what it means.

BTW, Achila, ceefour, and I went to the "LotR Symphony" on Friday night. Acoustics were still a problem in the outdoor setting, but at least the orchestra didn't fall apart in the middle of the piece, as it did at one point last year. They have added "Steward of Gondor" (I'm pretty sure that wasn't included last year), but the music goes right up to the point where Pippin's song would be, and then skips to the closing bits. DK why they just didn't have SOMEBODY sing it! We'll report from Pittsburgh (with Billy) next weekend.

Grumpy's back! :k We missed you, Grumpy! I've been worried! Hope RL will be kinder, and we'll get to 'see' you more often! (((Grumpy)))

honey!

whiteling :eek: ,brain is still addled from being up all night reading.

C-going to take a nap-4

I finished last night, Ceefour! PM me if you want to talk about it. I loved it, although I thought the plot more straightforward than the last two, but the ending absolutely blew me away.

Just one more novel to go. As with ROTK, I'll be both ecstatic and sad to say goodbye to the fun of anticipation.

BTW, downloading the new Hooligans trailer even as we speak. I'll come back later and let you know what I think. I'm off this afternoon to take my kids to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

Ereshkigal :

I finished last night, Ceefour! PM me if you want to talk about it. I loved it, although I thought the plot more straightforward than the last two, but the ending absolutely blew me away.
Shees! You all are really whetting my appetite.

P.S. I finally got to see the Hooligans trailer, using the LJ Blossom mentioned. Thanks so much for the lead, Blossom! :k

P.P.S. Whiteling, that is a gorgeous drawing. I almost prefer it that way, with the hair only sketched in. It accentuates even more the look of the face.

~ Mechtild

P.P.S. Whiteling, that is a gorgeous drawing. I almost prefer it that way, with the hair only sketched in. It only serves to accentuate the look of the face.

~ Mechtild

I have tinted the eyes blue and made it my desktop, in the center, on a white background. It's beautiful.

Hope you don't mind, Whiteling!

~grumpy

Hi, Grumpy! And lovely pic, Whiteling!

Sorry, I'm very much in lurk mode these days. But I finally caught up most of the way. I appreciate the chat, everyone! Cheers.

Live in the UK?

Want to see Green Street on 28 July, free?

I just saw this on TORn.

From waytoblue.com: Green Street is an award-winning and exhilarating story of friendship, loyalty and honour set against the backdrop of football hooliganism. To celebrate the release on September 9th 2005, we are giving away hundreds of tickets to the screening at cinemas across the UK. For your chance to win simply follow this link! Good luck!

http://www.waytoblue.com/hazyjane/greenstreet/

I've put my name in for Cardiff. Fingers crossed.

Hope you don't mind, Whiteling!


Oh no. And why? After all, it's all made from your dots and squiggles ;)


Mechtild, I'm glad you could watch the GSH trailer :). All the brown and beige shades in that trailer made our Lad glowing like a work of Modigliani, I thought. http://www.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il/~gannar/Pictures/Some%20pictures%20of%20my%20favourite%20artists/slides/modigliani._Jeanne%20Hebuterne%20with%20Hat%20and%20Necklace%20jpg.html
Yes, I know, the picture shows a woman, but I'm refering to the colours. See what I mean?

Brummie, good luck! And to all the other UK EW worshippers who take the chance :)!


*waves to Mariole*

Mech - Hurrah, you finally got to see the Hooligans trailer. :)

Thanks so much for the lead, Blossom!

I'm afraid I can't take the credit for that, Mech. It was the lovely Bunnie who pointed the way to undone27'c LJ.

Brummie - Good to see you again. Good luck for the Hooligans ticket lottery (I can't quite get used to calling it Green Street). Of course, if you are successful, we will expect a detailed review, with your - completely objective ;) - opinion.

Blossom wrote:
I'm afraid I can't take the credit for that, Mech. It was the lovely Bunnie who pointed the way to undone27'c LJ.

Well, then, thank you Bunnie! :D

Whiteling, nice Modigliani. :) My trailer came across my monitor a good bit darker than that. Similar tones, though. Maybe, on the Big Screen, I'll be able to wallow in those richer, warmer colours, if it ever is shown near me on the Big Screen. (Or even a medium one.)

Brummie, am I envious! Good luck on your bid for Cardiff.

grumpy, how does one tint just one part of a picture? We have a version of Microsoft Digitial Image Pro and a version of ACDSee, and I can't figure out how to do anything like that in them. Maybe if I knew what software people called the feature, I could find it. Surely they must do such a thing. If you have a lead, I would appreciate it. :z:

~ Mechtild

Whiteling--that portrait is stunning! It must be wonderful to see his features just grow from beneath your fingers.

Also, Bunnie--thanks for the link to Undone's LJ--the other site wouldn't allow me to save the trailer, but this one did. Now it's safely in with my other little GSH trailers.

TTFN

Good luck for the Hooligans ticket lottery (I can't quite get used to calling it Green Street). Of course, if you are successful, we will expect a detailed review, with your - completely objective ;) - opinion.

I have no confidence whatever in my ability to be an objective reviewer where Elijah is concerned. As a rule, if Elijah's in it, I like it. :) Admittedly, I haven't seen North or Black and White which seem to be regarded as his two worst films. Perhaps I ought to watch one, or both, if only to reassure myself that I do still retain some critical faculties.

mechtild wrote- I'll be able to wallow in those richer, warmer colours, if it ever is shown near me on the Big Screen. (Or even a medium one.)
If you want to make sure that the movie is shown near you, join our "Hooligans Support Team." The HST is the ad hoc group of fans (mostly on this board :k) who have volunteered to help with the movie distribution. If you are not a member- yet, go to the "official" website and register your e-mail address in the sometimes working box :lol: on the bottom right hand corner of the webpage. http://www.greenstreethooligans.com


brummie wrote- I have no confidence whatever in my ability to be an objective reviewer where Elijah is concerned.
CONGRADULATIONS! You are now an official member of the Elwoodian Squeesearch Society! :D

Since I managed to get my email on there awhile ago and I get updates I assume that puts me on the support team??? Correct?? :confused: :)

I also attempted to email them about it but never heard anything back. This was after the first time they mentioned being on a support team and they said they would send out some kind of 'supplies' to take to the local theaters.
So far I haven't gotten anything. Has anyone else? :confused: :)

Hobmom - Since I managed to get my email on there awhile ago and I get updates I assume that puts me on the support team??? Correct??
Correctamundo. Now all we need is our photo ID cards, password and secret handshake... :D

hobmom part two- I also attempted to email them about it but never heard anything back. This was after the first time they mentioned being on a support team and they said they would send out some kind of 'supplies' to take to the local theaters. So far I haven't gotten anything. Has anyone else?
I haven't recieved anything yet either. I do not think that it is time for us yet. Odd Lot is busy getting Odd Lot Releasing off the ground, the Edinburgh Film Festival, U.K. general release and the U.S. limited release. Not to mention the "College Tour" that is still in development. They are a small company. They can only do so much in a day and have a lot on their plate right now. IMHO they do not have the time, nor are they ready for us right now. I would say that it will be sometime in September before they will need us. If we do not hear from them by mid September, then we can check in with them again for a status report. When did you start getting updates? Are they calling you, or e-mailing? I am not getting anything from them. :(

Since I managed to get my email on there awhile ago and I get updates I assume that puts me on the support team??? Correct?? Updates? People have gotten updates? I have heard nothing from them, in spite of (presumably successfully) having entered two different email addresses. :(

Brummie said: I have no confidence whatever in my ability to be an objective reviewer where Elijah is concerned. As a rule, if Elijah's in it, I like it. Admittedly, I haven't seen North or Black and White which seem to be regarded as his two worst films. Perhaps I ought to watch one, or both, if only to reassure myself that I do still retain some critical faculties

'Black & White' deserves an award - for the worst film ever made :eek: Did I buy it? Of course I did - Elijah's in it :D And of course he is adorable, as always, and the closing scenes are very interesting ;) I actually like 'North', I really don't think it deserves all the flak it gets and there are a few things in it that still make me laugh out loud. But then, perhaps that's me being incapable of objectivity again :D

Btw, I haven't received any updates from GSH either.

Courtesy of the wonderous undone27:

http://www.travelandleisure.com/invoke.cfm?ObjectID=03A1125F-239F-4A9C-8185CC8EEADB512E

What a beautiful article and picture! Thanks, Achila and Undone!

My, our Elwood is very eloquent, isn't he? Although, I don't think I'd be in a rush to walk over that bridge between 1 and 4 AM. Actors keep different hours! :)

That article is so cute. Elijah sounds such the very debonair world traveller. ;)

Just dropping this little treat:
And ever pictured innocent Elijah Wood as a razor-clawed homicidal maniac? Here he fits the mould perfectly, without uttering a word.
fromHERE (http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15953883%255E12191,00.html) another appreciator of Elijah's fantastic non verbal acting style.

It's so quiet around here lately! :( I'm hoping things will heat up soon, with lots of pre-release stuff for both Hooligans and Everything is Illuminated

Whiteling, that drawing of yours is as lovely in it's unfinished state as it is complete. :k

honey!

Hello to The Faculty!

This week's Newsweek has a little article about the increase in sales of books adapted for the screen.

Nope, Didn't See the Movie--I Was Reading It

Could it be? Americans are spending less time at the movies because they're too busy--reading. In May (as 'Kingdom of Heaven' bombed), sales of adult hardcovers jumped 29.6 percent, adult paperbacks 18.4 percent and children's hardcovers 21.2 percent over the same period in 2004, reports the Association of American Publishers. So how will these novels-to-movies do? Even if they're not all B.O. hits, expect them to sell...more books.

The books to movies listed are Shopgirl, Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire, Memoirs of a Geisha, Brokeback Mountain, and Everything is Illuminated.

The story: Elijah Wood on another journey--but this time without the Hobbit ears. (Liev Schreiber adapted the novel.) New release: 100,000 copies.

Speak and ye shall receive, Honeyelf!

C4

Heya, C4! Are we the only ones here?

SPOILERS * SPOILERS *SPOILERS
undefinedsorry Mariole, and all!

In cruising around LJ tonight I stumbled across the following snippet from someone who saw Hooligans at a screening in Chicago I think. She didn't like Elijah in it at all! :eek: :confused: But this part was interesting:
The screening itself was interesting... it started with only about five people in the room, two of whom where [name deleted by me] and I, but about 15 minutes in a group of about 20 people came in. They were clearly all together - they all had badges around their necks (which no one else in the screening had), but other than that they had seemed to have no defining characteristic as a group. They ranged in age from about 8 to 40, they didn't appear to be families, and they clearly weren't press... it seemed more like an organized field trip, but with the varying ages, I wasn't quite sure what to think.

When the credits rolled, they all got up and started to leave, and a harrassed-looking little man stood up quickly and said, "No, no, we brought you here for a reason - we want to have a discussion, don't leave yet." He then introduced himself as the director of the Chicago Violence Project, and said the people who made the film were very interested in hearing their reactions to the film and how they thought the violence portrayed in it compared with gang violence.

The project director, alas, asked terrible questions and seemed kind of uncomfortable standing in front of the room, but there was still some quite interesting discussion - it seemed from the discussion that nearly everyone had been heavily involved in gangs at one point in their lives, and most had been in and out jail (the children didn't really talk, though they all raised their hands when asked how many in the room had lost a loved one to gang violence). I don't think, as a whole, that the football hooliganism/gang violence metaphor works very well, and it was fairly clear that they didn't either - they could see some parallels, but they kept talking about the lack of guns and drugs, about how when a character died at the end of the movie both firms stopped, because a death was shocking, whereas with gang violence death is an expected, everyday occurrence.

The most interesting part, though, was when the project director asked if the "people who made the film" (I'm fairly sure it was only PR people there, though) if they had any questions to ask his group before he let them go, and they had just one: Did this film make you want to go and out commit violent acts? Which makes me wonder if part of the reason they're having trouble securing U.S. distribution is that people are worried this will be seen as glorifying gang violence. I thought the film did quite a good job of showing both the allure of the lifestyle, the seductiveness of it, and the toll it takes on those who aren't able to get it, but it didn't beat the "Violence is bad, mmkay?" gong anywhere near as loudly as most U.S. gang films do, so I can imagine it making suits nervous.

But back to the film itself... all in all, very much a thumbs it, issues and all. To echo what one of the Chicago Violence Project people said, "I thought this was going to be boring, but now I want to see it again! It was a really good movie!"


Thought that was interesting. I've been a little worried myself about the violence. Just last week two Aussies, strangers to one another, got into an argument about fim violence after watching Sin City. The older man bit the teens nose off, neccesitating multiple plastic surgeries! :(

honey!

HoneyElf:
Heya, C4! Are we the only ones here?
Just about. Why don't you two come over to my house? I'm still up. Notice the big, fat, full moon out there? Totally a good excuse to get a little crazy with cookies and wine and movies. I'm waiting....

Achila, many thanks for the charming travel report! :) Prague is on my list of must-sees (haven't been there... not yet!) Elijah's remark
"Some say the theme park was modeled after Old Town Square. I don't know if it's true, but there's a similar quality—though Prague is much darker."
made me think of the old dark tale of the Golem which is connected to Prague. Underneath the picturesque surface the city seem to have dark secrets. I found a web site suitable for children, on which you can read the LEGEND OF THE GOLEM (http://www.ced.appstate.edu/projects/fifthd/legend.html) - with a little modern addition. ;) - There is also the German silent film "Der Golem und wie er in die Welt kam" (The Golem: How He Came Into The World) from 1920, a brilliant horror movie, which shows a very spooky and mystic Prague. Elijah would be a *terrific* Golem (hey, sounds almost like Gollum, eh?) :D



I've been a little worried myself about the violence. Just last week two Aussies, strangers to one another, got into an argument about fim violence after watching Sin City. The older man bit the teens nose off, neccesitating multiple plastic surgeries! :(


:eek: Wah!
Thanks for the Hooligans screening report, Honey! They know a good movie if they see one, obviously. :)

I'm hoping things will heat up soon
Please don't! I'm coping with 100-degree temps, and no A/C! I think it might be a bit of summer doldrums due to that. :)

Er, could you please go back and mark your last article as SPOILERS? I've been trying to avoid them. Interesting as the snippet was, it does blurt out the end of the movie for those of us who previously didn't know. Cheers!

Mariole wrote- I'm coping with 100-degree temps, and no A/C!
I will trade you your dry 100F. for my 100+ with Emily's wind and rain!

The Chicago Gang Violence Unit need to do their history on gang violence. Where hooliganism is today is where gang violence was in the 1950's. In another 20 +/- years hooligans will be using guns too. To try and relate hooliganism to gang violence today is like relating apples to oranges. The only similarities are that they are both fruits. :haha:

Honeyelf wrote- I've been a little worried myself about the violence.
Anyone who is in their 40s to 50s (the first TV generation) has grown up with violence being thrust upon them by the entertainment industry. That also includes the News industry, national and local, who broadcast our daily dose of death and destruction. Psychologist and Sociologist have been studying the so called impact of violence on "young impressionable minds" since the 1960's. To date, there has not been any provable long term correlation to growing up with violence in the entertainment industry to the violence in real life. The specific cases that are cited of youth violence all had stronger social cause to effect issues than "just watched a violent TV show, or movie." Concerning the two Aussie's and the nose incedent. Both were young males, right? Both were having an arguement, right? I put it to you that watching the movie did not cause them to mutilate each other. It was the testosterone of youth and the passion of the arguement. Do we know what the arguement was about? With a passionate enough subject matter of the arguement, you could watch Mary Tyler Moore and still pound the c**p out of each other. The Mary Tyler Moore TV show did not cause the fight any more than Sin City caused the fight. There is always more to the story then trying to blame every violent act on TV, or movies. Green Street/Hooligans is NOT going to cause anyone to immediately go out and commit a violent act as the TV show Combat in the early 1960's did not cause anyone to immediately go out and kill anyone. Getting off soapbox now. I have to go clean my guns... (kidding!)

Has everyone seen this artwork of Frodo? http://www.theonering.com/gallery/gallery_item.cfm?id=5324
It may not be as good as Whiteling's *nods head to Whiteling* but it has a certain squee appeal. :D

The Chicago Gang Violence Unit need to do their history on gang violence. Where hooliganism is today is where gang violence was in the 1950's. In another 20 +/- years hooligans will be using guns too. To try and relate hooliganism to gang violence today is like relating apples to oranges. The only similarities are that they are both fruits.

Except that guns are a bit harder to come by in the UK. Football hooliganism isn't about protecting "turf" or merchandise. It seems that these guys get a thrill out of breaking someone's nose with their fist. Not that I'm "pro" on either sort of violence, but shooting someone is hardly "sporting" in that Brit sense of the word.

I think they were trying to get audience reaction to a film that IS violent, regardless it's anti-violent message. What they don't want is the gang bickering, and protest, that sometimes crops up around films actually about gangs in this country.

Mariole and TxTac, hope it cools down weather-wise, but that we have lots of cause for interesting discussion in the coming weeks! 'Sthat better? ;)

honey!

Honeyelf wrote-
Except that guns are a bit harder to come by in the UK.
Tell that to the IRA! The British police have noticed an increase in gun related violence over the past ten years. If you want anything bad enough, you can get it. There is a black market thriving in every country in the world.

Honey part 2.- Football hooliganism isn't about protecting "turf" or merchandise. It seems that these guys get a thrill out of breaking someone's nose with their fist...but shooting someone is hardly "sporting" in that Brit sense of the word.
Major Spoilers

Time to study the rise of gangs and gang violence in America from the late 1940's to the present. In the 40's and 50's, American gangs had that sense of honor. Fists only. Using weapons were seen as cowerdly. As society and culture changed, so did the gangs. The rise of the use of weapons in gang "warfare" took 20 years to develope. It wasn't until the gangs were used to sell drugs starting in the 70's did gunplay become a standard mode of operating. Today it is certainly gang "warfare" with full automatic weapons paid for by drug money. But it all started out with "fists only" in the 50's. I brought that up with Lexi when I talked to her at SXSW. Go to the Hooligans page on IMDb and read my post on the thread for storyline for Hooligans II. There is a definite correlation to the rise of intensity of violence to weapons use in firm/gang interactions. Where hooliganism is today is where American gangs were in the 1950's. Give the hooligans another 20+/- years. The weapons work is coming. In the movie Hooligans, remember the Molitove Coctail that Tommy Hatcher threw into the GSE bar? What was the intensity of Tommy Hatcher's passion? Remember the climatic fight scene between the GSE and Millwall? Where did the police baton come from that Tommy used to kill Pete with? I remember a lot of boards being used upside a lot of heads. Hooligans are already using weapons. There is a natural esculation to the violence curve.
Given suffecient time, hooligans will be using firearms too.

txtac, please could you label your last post major spoilers

TxTac, I stand corrected! :eek: Sad!

Please edit your post, marking it for SPOILERS!

Sorry, I keep forgeting that everyone hasn't seen the movie yet. I've been talking about it for so long that I'm taking it for granted that everyone has already seen it too.

Honeyelf- TV/movie violence and causation of societal violence is a pet peeve of mine. Don't let me bring you down. ;)

Speaking of societal norms, notice that everyone was reading my post(s) on violence and completely ignored my post of the picture of Frodo? Societal norms and fixation on violence???

Hi all,

There was a mention of GS Hooligans on Aint It Cool today, with respect to the updated release status of the film. Nothing earth shattering but nice to see a "major" site is following along (Funny -- one of the "talkbalkers" suggested that a nude scene with Claire Forlani would get the film distribution...hee hee...well...Claire wouldn't be *my* first choice! ;) ).

Also, that little photo of Lij that was in the travel article about Prague is on undone27's LJ today, in much larger form (she got a copy and scanned it).

Yep -- hot here in the Northeast too, although the humidity has dropped substantially. But should be nice weather for our jaunt to Billyburgh this weekend.

Tell that to the IRA! The British police have noticed an increase in gun related violence over the past ten years.

Given suffecient time, hooligans will be using firearms too.


I am not so sure of this. Football hooligans seem to have been around ever since I was a teenager, upset at not being allowed to accompany my uncle to a football match because the Leeds Utd fans were known to be trouble makers. That was 30 years ago and little seems to have changed.

I think there is a big difference between these kind of Hooligans for whom the fight is part of the 'fun' and IRA terrorists or drug gangs who have a different motivation and objective. Yes guns may be available on the black market in the UK, but they are not as obviously on general sale as they are in the USA. If, as seems to be being portrayed in Hooligans and in the media, many of the people who fight at the matches are normal family people away from this, I don't expect they going into it thinking there is a good chance they are going to die. I would have thought, however, that drug gang members and terrorists realise that by carrying and using guns there is a good chance they too may get killed, but to them the risk is acceptable in carrying out their trade/battle.

I sincerely hope my theory is correct.

Skater girl wrote- many of the people who fight at the matches ... don't expect they going into it thinking there is a good chance they are going to die.
Very true. For right now. As long as only fists and feet are used there is a slim chance in dying. My point is that there is a natural esculation to violence. Call it a tit-for-tat. You kill one of mine, I kill two of yours. Then four, then six... It can spiral out of control. It is human nature to look for an edge. Already we are seeing more than just fists and feet being used. It will naturally esculate to something more deadly. History has proven "those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." If the Brit hooligans do not learn from the American gang experience, my prediction is that within 20 years the hooligan firms will not be slapping each other down. They will be gunning each other down.

...that by carrying and using guns there is a good chance they too may get killed, but to them the risk is acceptable in carrying out their trade/battle.
There is something in the psychology of young males ages 15 to 25. For some physical/mental reason, they all think that they are bullet proof. Nothing can happen to them, it will always be the other guy. One of the main reasons that the average age of a soldier is 18 to 22 years old is that this age group can be easily trained, naturally agressive and think that nothing will happen to them (bullet proof). As they get older and more experienced (read wiser) they realise that they can be hurt. What is the average age of a Brit hooligan?
Can the British Army draft hooligans to meet it's manpower requirements? :eek:

I sincerely hope my theory is correct.
So do I. Only time will tell.

Thank you for marking your SPOILERS, everyone! We in the US will be deprived quite some time for our opportunity to see this movie. Even after it opens, it will be traveling around in a rolling fashion, as I understand.

I hope the UK remains backward in gun violence. It really is disgusting over here. I've been shot at twice and had a gun rammed into my face by a psychotic. Bring on the fisticuffs, please! They are not so easily lethal.

Lovely Frodo pic, txtac! I've seen that artist before, I think. Beautiful coloring!

I've been shot at twice and had a gun rammed into my face by a psychotic. :eek: :eek:

Mariole! My, you tech writers do lead interesting lives!

Mariole, have you ever thought about moving out of L.A. ? :rolleyes:

Speaking of societal norms, notice that everyone was reading my post(s) on violence and completely ignored my post of the picture of Frodo? Societal norms and fixation on violence???

TXTAC I just wanted to point out that this did not apply to me - I went to look at the beautiful Frodo pic first. I have my priorities right ;) I have not read all the recent posts about violence - it is a subject that has depressed and troubled me for many years and I have now given up - in the UK we have rapidly escalating violence of every kind, and that includes guns. The police seem to be powerless to do anything and have to spend most of their time writing reports and filling in forms. I have now come to regard my country as virtually lawless. Very sad :(

Shireling wrote- I went to look at the beautiful Frodo pic first. I have my priorities right
Good for you. I wish that I could too.

Shireling #2- in the UK we have rapidly escalating violence of every kind, and that includes guns. The police seem to be powerless to do anything and have to spend most of their time writing reports and filling in forms. I have now come to regard my country as virtually lawless.
I was up late last night and caught the BBC morning report on CNN. MI-5 has given "shoot to kill on sight" all suicide bombers. This morning London Police (?) shot an "Asian" five times. It was not reported whether the "Asian" died. I hope that it wasn't a college student with a backpack type book bag.
Ask your grandparents what happened during WWII. The British government armed the citizens in preperation for a German invasion. Needless to say, crime was non-existant. There is nothing more polite and safe than an armed citizenry. The phrase "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" comes into play again. In the American "wild west" it was a VERY polite society with relatively little violence. Just about everyone carried. Since they banned carrying sidearms, violence has risen and there is hardly any politeness left in society. If the London police can not handle the situation- arm the citizenry again. It worked before, it can work again. It has been proven that neighborhood watches drastically reduce crime. If the citizens were armed, care to bet that crime would become little to none?

OT: Txtac, I have never lived in LA, or any large city. I'm a suburban dweller all the way. I'm afraid I can't agree with you about people carrying guns making society more safe. Everyone who ever shot at me was carrying a legally obtainable gun. The policeman who saved my life in one incident carried NO gun, and therefore was able to deflect the gunman from killing me. He had deliberately removed his gunbelt, so as not to be provocative. Gun control is really one of my hot issues. You will never get me to agree that my neighbors, many of whose judgment I don't trust when they DRIVE, will make the world more safe by carrying GUNS. I have had this argument too many times. You really want untrained people shooting others because they looked suspicious? Because once someone attacks you, you know, it's far too late to get the gun out.

Mod: Feel free to remove this post if you feel it's too off topic.

Now, what's the Elwood news? :)

Txtac, I did look at your picture. I have seen it before and think it one of the best I have seen of Frodo.

[ in the UK we have rapidly escalating violence of every kind, and that includes guns. The police seem to be powerless to do anything and have to spend most of their time writing reports and filling in forms. I have now come to regard my country as virtually lawless. Very sad :(

As one who is concerned with the administration of justice in the UK, I would like to reassure Shireling (and anyone else) that, although it is possible that she may be correct as regards certain localised areas, violent crime in the UK is not increasing. In fact, the opposite. According to the recently published British Crime Survey 2004-05, violent crime has fallen steadily over the last 10 years and is now down 42% on 1995. The use of firearms has increased; but to get things in perspective, there were 2.5 million violent incidents last year, of which 46% involved no injury and 0.44% involved firearms. Clearly, even one firearms incident is one too many, but this is hardly a picture of a "lawless" country. My own experience in court bears this out; almost all "violent crimes" before the courts in this area are either harassment (verbal or gestures) or common assault, usually fuelled by alcohol on a Friday or Saturday night and resulting in a black eye or cut lip at worst.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/hosb1105chap456.pdf
Note the first paragraph concerning police recorded crime.

Sorry to go so off topic but I felt I had to put the other side to the somewhat black picture painted of my country.

Over at CHUD, they're running a list of Best Bastards. Guess who came in at #63 -- our own little sweetie, as Patrick. I'm so proud. :D

Over at CHUD, they're running a list of Best Bastards. Guess who came in at #63 -- our own little sweetie, as Patrick. I'm so proud.

Go, Lij! Now that's acting! :D

A couple of points, and maybe some pointed questions, on the violence discussion, then I'm dropping it.

I think the media is responsible for a lot of fear-mongering. A society can hardly be a civil one when everyone's afraid to step outside their own doors.

Shireling, I'm curious to know if you plan to watch Green Street given your views on violence in your home country?

Brummie, thanks for providing facts. Hard to argue with numbers. Here in America the story is much the same. Even when the numbers argue that crime is falling, people are more afraid than ever.

TxTac, you're a good guy, but I think your assertion that guns beget a polite society are inconsistent with your predictions that footie hooligans will soon be doing battle with guns. I wonder how many customers of a gun shops bear old wounds and scars, and how their scarred hides compare to those of citizens who don't feel the need to arm themselves even though it may be their right? Just musing.

honey!

(Coming in belatedly on the violence discussion)

honeyelf posted (from the account of the Chicago screening of Hooligans): The most interesting part, though, was when the project director asked if the "people who made the film" (I'm fairly sure it was only PR people there, though) if they had any questions to ask his group before he let them go, and they had just one: Did this film make you want to go and out commit violent acts? Which makes me wonder if part of the reason they're having trouble securing U.S. distribution is that people are worried this will be seen as glorifying gang violence. Oh, good grief. (I'd like to use much stronger language on this topic, but will remain ladylike here in the Lounge.) The first thing that sprang to my mind was Spike Lee’s wonderful Do the Right Thing. When that came out, commentators were having fits and warning that it would cause riots in the inner cities! Which it obviously did NOT. I just can’t cope with nonsense like this.

On a happier note: Yesterday, at my local art-house theater, where I am currently filling in as the membership coordinator, we received posters for – ta-da! – Everything Is Illuminated! The people who were in the office at the time weren’t sure whether the theater is actually going to be getting the film, or whether this was just a promotional effort by the distributors. Even it it’s just the latter, it’s nice to know that something is going on. And if the film ISN’T coming here, you can be sure that I’m going to try to get my hands on those posters!

Achila wrote: Over at CHUD, they're running a list of Best Bastards. Guess who came in at #63 -- our own little sweetie, as Patrick. I'm so proud. :lol: What is CHUD, and how do I get there??

According to the recently published British Crime Survey 2004-05, violent crime has fallen steadily over the last 10 years and is now down 42% on 1995.

I don't really want to labour this point, simply because this is not the place to do it, but the above quote is in complete contrast to what was announced on Sky News a couple of days ago. I don't claim to be any sort of expert in these matters, but they definitely stated that although general crime has decreased, crimes of violence have risen steeply. And yes, I know my statement came across as cynical, jaded and possibly disloyal to my own country but sadly thats exactly how I feel. Some time ago my daughter was accosted by two men on the way to her car after work and forced to the ground - one of the men then chased her boss who had just made his way to his own car - he was then marched back to the store at gunpoint & told that if he didn't open the safe they would kill my daughter. Mercifully, he had the keys & they took what they wanted, driving off in his car. Were they ever caught? No way!! This is just one of countless crimes of this type in Birmingham - not even deemed important enough to make news headlines. I'm sure poor Tolkien is turning in his grave. This is his Middle Earth, after all.
:(

Shireling, I'm curious to know if you plan to watch Green Street given your views on violence in your home country?

Honey, Elijah's in it - of course I'll watch it - I even intend to force myself to watch his bit in Sin City when the dvd comes out, and that will be hard because I'm very squeamish :rolleyes: I am really looking forward to GSH even though I'll admit I don't relish the subject matter - but, hope I'm not verging on the spoilerish here, I do believe the film concludes with an anti-violence message, or so I've heard.

Has anyone been following the lovely reports & pics on TORN by someone (think her name's Celebrian) who recently did the Red Carpet tour? Its made me feel so nostalgic for New Zealand - and I rather wish we'd done the RC tour - you get a chance to stay in Elijah's room - and sleep in his bed:) - when you stay at the Powderhorn. I think it was on Day 4 that she posted a fascinating pic of Elijah's practice sheet when he was doing his calligraphy for the Red Book. You can also see Lij's entry in the guestbook at the Powderhorn and a message he wrote on a t-shirt. He gave his address in NZ as Breaker Bay - and the maddening thing is we actually drove through it and I DIDN't KNOW :eek: This is the link to the latest entry which has links to all the other days: http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1121828448

Also on TORN - somewhere you can send a letter of appreciation to PJ and it will be included in a leather bound book which will be presented to him:

http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/7/1121177208

I thought this was a lovely idea - much the same as Honey's book which she gave to Elijah. I'm definitely going to take this opportunity, I've always wanted to thank PJ for the films and for recognising the perfect Frodo when he saw him :)

Pelagia asked- What is CHUD, and how do I get there?
Chud is much like Aint It Cool News. They report on "cinematic developments." Go to: http://chud.com The article mentioned is today's front page article.

Shireling wrote- I am really looking forward to GSH even though I'll admit I don't relish the subject matter ... I do believe the film concludes with an anti-violence message
For some of us who have already seen the movie, this is becoming a pet peeve. The movie has a bad reputaion for a lot of fighting and violence. This just really is not the case. The fight scenes, which are realistic, are only less than 10% of the movie. The remaining 90% of the movie is about the human story. I am not going to spoil it for you. Let's just say that Matt (Elijah) gets his just rewards in the end. To me it was a "feel good" movie. You want to stand up and cheer for Matt at the end. And some did. :D

Shireling, and Mariole too (to whom I feel I was regrettably flippant :(), I'm so sorry to hear about your brushes with gun-violence. :k
Your trust in safety has been betrayed, and I understand that you may not see the world in the same way again.

To me I think there's a certain grace with which I want to navigate the world. You have to be careful, of course. We cut ourselves off from amazing, and sometimes beautiful moments with our fellow beings if we regard everyone with suspiscion. It's a kind of grace I see Elijah exhibit. He admits that he sometimes trusts too easily, but it seems a sweeter way to live than to live in fear.

In the recent film Crash people went about seeing their neighbors not as individuals, but as another of "them" with frequently nearly disastrous, or disastrous consequences. I prefer to regard everyone, from the guy covered with tattoos to the woman wearing the hijab, as individuals.

There are friends I've met here, and gone on to meet in real life, because I trusted them with a little bit of myself. My husband was freaked when I met my first on-line buddy in real life. He kept questioning me if she really was a woman, and where were we going, and what were we doing. (Well we were going to a theater to see LoTR: TTT. Duh! ;)) I wouldn't undo a moment of it!

Did I manage to drag that discussion back on topic? :z:

Pelagia, I can't wait to see those posters up in theaters! A trailer can't be far behind now! :D

honey!

Hear hear, HoneyElf!

Without overstating I'd say that "Lord of the Rings" fandom helped me learn to trust my fellow human beings more. I too had initial reservations; for my first "moot" I took a plane flight to spend time with people I had never seen in person at one of their homes. (And I'm afraid to fly!) But I've come to an almost mystical appreciation for Tolkien (and hobbits) as both a filter and a litmus test; loving the books and especially the halflings says a lot about how you see the world and what you value.

Isn't that a nice little article from Travel and Leisure? Tho I'm not sure I'm comfortable with the thought of our Mr. W wandering around alone on bridges in strange foreign cities between 1:00 & 4:00 a.m.. Hope he doesn't make a habot of this sort of thing and takes reasonable precautions (though as a young Western male its possible he to is deluded and thinking he's bullet proof.) But unlike several celebrities who have gotten into trouble for carrying weapons (rappers, etc), I can't imagine him with a GUN. And he IS probably safe enough so long as he truly is capable of running like the wind when called to do so (and that's much better than "packin' IMHO).

Of course I am always available as an escort. Got those years of experience with scary "mom" faces and I did after all retire with a yellow belt in karate!

Chud is much like Aint It Cool News. They report on "cinematic developments." Go to: http://chud.com The article mentioned is today's front page article.Sorry, gang -- I purposely didn't post the link because I'm pretty sure that one's not PG-13. If it gets removed, it's C-H-U-D and then .com

One thing about Elijah wandering around at 1 am in a strange city -- he may not have been alone, and that tends to up the safety factor (this coming from the girl born and raised in Brooklyn, NY).

OK, I just looked at the CHUD list. (Thanks to txtac and Achila for the contact info; and you're right, Achila -- it's not PG-13.) I see that this covers only #74-50 of what is obviously a countdown. Does that mean that Our Man has a chance to be on the list again, as Kevin? I must confess that I didn’t care for their characterization of Elijah as That crazy lookin’ dude Also, they indicated uncertainty over whether Clementine’s stolen undies were clean; but they must not have been paying close attention to the film, where Patrick says that they were clean. Of course, he could have been lying (ewwwww).

Wow -- it's gone quiet all of a sudden! Was it all that talk of violence? ;) Not my cuppa, I'm afraid, and I skipped over much of it (partly because I was afraid of tripping over spoilers in the middle of it all). But along those lines:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/totalfilm.jpg

I wouldn't want to get in the way of that, would you?

I have a tiny tidbit of news from a friend who has a Hollywood connection: apparently, Elijah recently auditioned for a part in a film. That's all the information I have -- I don't know what sort of film or part or anything -- but I take it as good news that Elijah is once again looking for a project (and about time, too). :cool:

Fun picture Bunnie. Thank you for posting it. This should put to rest some of the rumors that Elijah is just a pretty boy! :eek:

Since when does Elijah have to audition for roles? After LOTR he has been able to choose his own roles. ???

Since when does Elijah have to audition for roles? After LOTR he has been able to choose his own roles. ???That was my initial reaction, as well. However, knowing that he likes to take on roles that he feels stretch him artistically, maybe this is a role that the directors can't easily picture him in, because it's so different from the other things he's done. That's what I'd like to think, anyway. :)

I was kind've thinking the same thing. Bruce Willis is getting old. Time for the next generation to step into the action-adventure roles. I can see Elijah becoming the next James Bond in about 10 years. He still has some growing to do, but with his current penchant for electronic gizmos, he could pull it off. :cool:

Hollywood still likes to do remakes. Brad Pitt and Orlando Bloom are out of the running after finishing Troy. How about Elijah as Ulysses in the Oddessy? It is about time to remake Harry Hamlin's Clash of the Titans. Do you think that Elijah could pull off wearing a toga, playing with a mechanical owl and riding a flying horse to save the beauty from the dreaded Kraken? :p

If you liked the realm of Tolkien's Middle Earth, you might also be familer with Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman's The Dragon Lance Chronicles. Elijah still may not want to do another big, long, blockbuster movie, but I would dearly love to see him play Tanis Half Elvin. Besides, who could turn down a role to play with elves, dwarfs, humans, a kinder and especially- the dragon! :D You get to save the world- again. Sword play, bows and arrows, magic, long adventurous walks through the countryside. What more could a retired Hobbit want? :lol:


While parusing Chud's old articles on Elijah for lack of anything better to do on a Sunday, I ran across this tidbit of info:

"...with host Elijah Wood trying not to plug his new record label"

http://chud.com/mastercontrol/2422

We have been hearing from Elijah for several years now that he has wanted to start a record label. Chud has added another log to the rumor fire that Elijah is finally doing it.
Does anyone have any information about his new label?

(((Mariole))) I had no idea you had had any close encounter with gun violence, let alone more than one. Surely not where you currently live (I hope) !

I've been away on vacation, followed by a meeting for work, and have had limited internet time/access. But we now finally have cable internet at home, and I'm back at work and ready for all the latest news of Elwood. :)

I'm a bit miffed that this Chicago screening of GSH happened without my even hearing of it until it was over. Hmpf. :mad: ;) Now, if the film had car crashes or explosions in it, the U.S. distributors would probably be fighting each other for distribution rights. At least, that's the impression I get from the previews whenever I go to the movies. Even the previews before Charlie and the Chocolate Factory included at least one such film :rolleyes:

Something kind of exciting -- just wandering around the internet while eating lunch and looked to see if Fandango has a listing yet for "Green Street Hooligans" -- yuck -- never will like that title. They do, for 9/9/05, although there are no theatre listings at this point. So it's comin', folks!

As for Bunnie's news of an audition, I'm holding my breath with eager anticipation. :D It may seem sort of strange to us that he'd have to audition at this point, but it's very much as she said -- I'm sure a lot of producers and directors still see him as Frodo and not much else.

Hello to all The Faculty!

Pelegia, achila, and I have returned from our field trip to the city of Pittsburgh (aka Billyburgh) and lived to tell the tale, despite laughing for most of the 600 mile round trip.

Fortified with cornchips and chocolate, we began our quest to hear wonderful music and see a hobbit. And what CD's did we play, you might ask? LOTR, of course, with dialogue added by my companions. In Pennsylvania, to travel fom one side of the state to the other, you must drive through 4 tunnels. Quess what dialogue was quoted?

The concert tickect included a Q&A session with John Mauceri (the conductor) and Billy Boyd. As you all know, BB composed the melody to Pippin's song, but he always sang it a cappella, filming the scene and recording the sound. Howard Shore went back and composed around it, so the lead up to it and the music after would match his singing.

The concert? It was wonderful, superlative, fantastic, marvelous, delightful, delicious (no, that was the blueberry pie a la mode after), brilliant, emotional, and terrific. We have heard the Symphony twice before, at the Mann, in Philadelphia. An open-air theater is no place for this. The sound gets muffled, and there's too much competition from the food stands, traffic noise, and people moving about in the back. Plus, the sound technicians have not yet mastered turning on the microphones before the soloists start to sing. We turned to each other at intermission, all with the same thought that this is what we had been waiting for.

Billiy Boyd did not sing Pippin's song from the stage. When the time came for him to sing, he came out on the balcony just above the Orchestra Left seats. And who just happened to be sitting in Orchestra Left? :D , :eek: , and :cool: . He was standing about 15 feet above us.

The conclusion reached from the anlaysis of our data was the Pittsburgh Symphony beats the Philadelphia Orchestra hands (wildly clapping) down.

C4

It have two points of info I'd like answered, if you please.

First of all, when I click on the portrait (presumbaly Augustine's) on the whoisaugustine site, I get a quicktime logo and then the screen goes black. I'm live in a town without DSL (can you believe it) so I'm still on dial-up, which is probably the problem.

What happens for the rest of you when you click on the portrait?

Also, I remember some of the first stills that came out from GSH were some scenes with Wood being roughed up with a credit card, of all things. Did that scene make the film? PM me if you're afraid of being too spoiler heavy. I always wondered what was going on there.

Ceefour, Pelegia, and Achila...I'm so happy you enjoyed your trip and the symphony. To see a hobbit must be fantastic. I don't know if I ever will but one can always have hope, right? Seeing the symphony in Seattle was extraordinary. I had tears in my eyes twice. Once when Frodo is with Bilbo in Rivendell and says "I'm not like you, Bilbo." and then, of course, at the Grey Havens. :(

OT slightly...While waiting for a prescription to get filled, my daughters and I browsed the store. They were searching for their names and their cousins on all the merchandise that has names on it and we, :o well I, spotted a clear snowman in the "E" section with Elijah on it. First time I have seen that name on anything. :) Now if it had been a cute little penguin, I might have bought it...after I went back without the kids! ;)

In Pennsylvania, to travel fom one side of the state to the other, you must drive through 4 tunnels. Quess what dialogue was quoted?

First guess...Shelob's Lair

Second guess...Moria

First guess...Shelob's Liar

Second guess...MoriaGood guess, Shelbyshire -- I pretty much just kept hissing "tunnel" every time we approached one. I'm wacky that way. :D

As for the question about whether the "Chelsea smile" is in GSH -- yes, it is. I don't think this is any sort of spoiler -- we all saw the picture of that.

And regarding the portrait in the "Who Is Augustine?" site, when you click on it, a little video plays.

And regarding the portrait in the "Who Is Augustine?" site, when you click on it, a little video plays.

But this isn't a trailer, right? It won't play for me. Sigh.

But this isn't a trailer, right? It won't play for me. Sigh.Aww...sorry to hear that...no, it's not a trailer. It's a video of shtetl life and so on.

Thanks, Achila.

You know, I'm getting worried that Liev Schreiber's Glengarry Glen Ross involvement is keeping him from properly editing/promoting this film. It would be a shame if it was rushed into release without proper promotion. I want people to see this one.

I'm still looking more forward to GSH, myself. Wood's character from EII, if played true to book, will be a rather restrained performance. GSH looks more dynamic, performance-wise.

And although I really enjoyed March of the Penguins, I doubt HF will thrill me. My kids might like it, though.

I believe this site has been referred to before...Elijah Illusions has some new EII pics and a call sheet from GSH. I haven't seen them anywhere else yet. If anyone can't find the site, PM me.

I recently found a fun little book called 'How They Cast It: An Insider's Look and Film and Television Casting'. One of the movies they cover is LOTR.

Auditioning doesn't always mean a lone actor doing a reading with the casting director; auditioning is also a way for an actor to show interest in a project (Ryan Phillippe and Jake Gyllenhaal auditioned for Frodo; Vin Diesel for Aragorn; Ethan Hawke for Faramir and Uma Thurman for Eowyn). Jackson was nearly convinced by the legendary tape that EJW created, which EJW's agent sent to the American casting director, who forwarded it to PJ - but PJ still wanted an actual personal audition -"to get him into a room...to see him"- before telling EJW he had the role.

And sometimes casting directors can be instrumental in discovering the best ensembles of actors, testing for compatibility or 'chemistry'. The actors that eventually became the stars of sitcom Friends, for example, tested singly then as a group, as each one was cast.

I think it's good that EJW is auditioning, and especially that he's willing to audition. Another sign that he's not the Hollywood prima donna that some actors become, more's the pity for them (and not that we, as discerning Faculty-ites, need convincing).

Voyeur that I am, I love to watch my favorite actors working. ;-)

chattegrise

Ceefour:
And who just happened to be sitting in Orchestra Left? , , and . He was standing about 15 feet above us.

Say that again? Billy Boyd singing so that his voice fell right on top of you!! That gorgeous tear-jerking lovely song?? That is pretty splendid!! So glad for you all!!!

HoneyElf told me to get in here and say what I know about auditions...but I don't know what I can add. Chattegrise said it well. I don't know about all levels at which these things work--but I know some. A director/producer etc has something in mind--a picture, a personality. You might have very good actors come in who do great readings, but they don't fit the vision of what the filmmakers had in mind. It's not about talent alone it's also about looking the part and just being the right interpretation. That said, an actor can bring something different to the reading (or just a meeting) than what the director had had in mind and so can change the idea of what the director wants. This happens in person. Isn't that what happened with ESOTSM? The director said he had a totally different type of actor in mind for Patrick, but after his meeting with Elijah, he changed his mind. With Patrick, it sounds as if Elijah got the role as a result of a meeting, not an audition. A meeting is just that--going in and talking with the casting director, the director, the producer...whoever--no reading. For an established actor, that may sometimes be all that's needed. From what I can tell , lots of actors still audition, even when they are quite successful. I remember Jack Black, who has success ;) , saying he's lucky to get one in twenty of the things he goes up for. They still have to go in and convince the filmmakers that they can bring the right presence to the role. I assume the exceptions are for actors mainly hired for their ability to bring in the box office. It's also true that taped auditions are much harder to win than in-person auditions. The filmmakers like to see all of the person, see how well they click with each other, what kind of person they are, and also how well they take direction. Can't do that so well on tape. Elijah must have really shone on his LotRs auditions tape to stand out so far above the rest.

(Though it's also true that for the first round the director often does only see tapes that have first been made in person to the casting director. Then for a callback the director is there for the next audition. But the audition taped by the casting director was still considered a live audition--it wasn't a tape submitted through the agent)

And yes, what Chattegrise said--They also do chemistry auditions--and if they have cast one person, for instance, they have to also cast all family members of the character around the looks of that person, so that they look related. They like to see how well the ensemble goes together, look-wise, chemistry-wise, etc.

Anyway, I can't really tell you how it all works at Elijah's level. I could be wrong...but I'm not surprised that he still would audition for some things.
But I'll let you know if I find out more how that works.

Just to add my two cents to the "are actors always extroverted (or not)?" discussion a few pages back. I'm sorry that I can't remember who originally asked the question (my dial-up makes backing up very far rather difficult). Of the ones I've met--there are a few who are reserved or shy, but mostly, as a lot, they seem pretty extroverted. First I used to meet theater actors (where I work there are many actors also working there as a second job--and from my daughters theater classes). There is just a way of immediately hugging and talking and being loud and getting you involved in whatever work they are now in to. In the theater classes my kid was the exception, being far more reserved than her classmates who seemed to immediately know each other and be ecstatic with seeing each other after a very short period of contact.
Of course all the louder examples come to mind first..in thinking further, I do certainly know a few quieter types.
On a film set, people come together with an intense focus and purpose for a relatively short period of time--it is adaptive for them to get comfortable with each other quickly, have fun with each other, and then...after the shoot, hope to see one another again....but maybe they won't. It's a little harder for someone who wants to take time to get to know people in a deeper fashion. Hey, I've met very very very nice and unpretentious and smart actors so I don't intend to imply that extroversion has any correlation to shallowness :) . It just means that they can play quick and easily with one another, even if they don't have time to get deep with one another. Again, I'm still finding a lot of this stuff out, so I'm not trying to write anything in stone. But I asked a friend of mine whose son has created a good career in movies and on TV--and she says he is unusual in his reserve. She agrees that it's more unusual to be shy. Again, I'll let you know if my data on this changes. It might.

Anyhow--I've wondered alot how it might have been for Elijah growing up--not going to regular school and not making long lasting friends from the movies he had been in as a child. His family (a parent was surely required to be with him on every set until LotRs) had to be very important to him--because for a deep kid it seems there is potential for loneliness. Unless he has a good bunch of non-movie friends in the neighborhood who he can pick up with again and again after coming back from shoots.

I really often wonder how Lotrs affected his schooling. I think he gave up a few things to work intensively on that movie.
Oh well, enough of that.

Goldenberry: :k
I'm a bit miffed that this Chicago screening of GSH happened without my even hearing of it until it was over. Hmpf.
:( :( :(

Say that again? Billy Boyd singing so that his voice fell right on top of you!! That gorgeous tear-jerking lovely song?? That is pretty splendid!! So glad for you all!!!Yes, it was wonderful -- I wish all of you could've been there. Billy also attended the Q&A, which ceefour may have mentioned, and when asked without naming names, if there was anyone he would not work with again, he went on to make funny, illusory jokes about Dom. And having him singing right above us was a totally unexpected treat -- he didn't come out with the orchestra after the intermission, so we had no idea where he was going to be.

Can't do that so well on tape. Elijah must have really shone on his LotRs auditions tape to stand out so far above the rest.Like Pete said, he saw magic. He saw Frodo. Of course, Pete wanted to meet him in person first and I think it was mainly to find out if Elijah was a) nice, because that was Pete's main prerequisite, and b) whether he'd be able to slog 16,18 months in New Zealand, away from his home and family.

I really often wonder how Lotrs affected his schooling. I think he gave up a few things to work intensively on that movie. Elijah was already 18 and had finished high school, not to mention the fact that he was doing college courses online by that time, so there was no longer a need for formalized schooling for him. He was still tossing around the idea of going to college but my guess is, he realized there wasn't anything he could get in college that he wasn't getting from life.

Chattegrise and Alyon, many thanks for your interesting comments on audition practice! :cool:

In the theater classes my kid was the exception, being far more reserved than her classmates who seemed to immediately know each other and be ecstatic with seeing each other after a very short period of contact.
(...) It just means that they can play quick and easily with one another, even if they don't have time to get deep with one another.

Alyon, this was my impression I got from experiences I've made myself as participant of theatre classes, too. I'm no expert :p but it seemed to me that many actors own that special playfulness which allows them to get along quite easily. On that level the communication is like a playground, with certain rules but with a kind of jester's licence. As an introvert myself I always felt slightly uncomfortable on this level. I have the feeling of giving away too much. :o


Just in case anyone hasn't seen Elijah's lovely calligraphy exercises at A&F, here's a pic:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/practice.jpg

I love especially "I apologize for getting the line running in a diagonal - need more practice" - the sweetie :k!


Txtac - a very belated thank-you for the link to the brilliant Frodo painting by Hisstah you posted a few days ago! It is one of my favourite Frodo renditions, and I think it's just awesome. It is done in the elaborate egg tempera technique, which makes it all the more admirable. :)

Thank you so much for the symphony reports! I just love hearing about it.

The conclusion reached from the anlaysis of our data was the Pittsburgh Symphony beats the Philadelphia Orchestra hands (wildly clapping) down.
This is despite the noise and chaos of being an outdoors symphony? I'd love to hear just a little more as to why -- did they change the show much, so Billy could sing? How did he sound?

Whiteling, thank you for that caligraphy pic. I haven't seen it, and it's delightful. :k

Alyon wrote- Can't do that so well on tape. Elijah must have really shone on his LotRs auditions tape to stand out so far above the rest.
From what I remember, Elijah was the only one to send in his own audition tape. He got his directer friend George Huang to help him. He rented a costume to look like Frodo and went up the hill in back of his house (when he was living in Santa Monica). He recited passages from the LOTR book acting like Frodo while George filmed him. Peter Jackson said that was the last tape that he looked at. He had not found his Frodo yet, but as soon as he saw Elijah as Frodo- it clicked. No one else had gone to that extreme to make their own mini movie to get the part. This famous audition tape was supposed to be included in the LOTR extended version, but didn't make it. Peter Jackson still wants to include it in the super-duper version that he is thinking of making. If Peter can finish up King Kong in time, keep an eye out this Christmas for another super extended version of LOTR. :D

Alyon #2- I've wondered alot how it might have been for Elijah growing up--not going to regular school... there is potential for loneliness. Unless he has a good bunch of non-movie friends in the neighborhood who he can pick up with again and again after coming back from shoots.
When Elijah was 10 or 11 he wanted to quit making movies because he didn't have any friends his age. He was lonely. :( Luckily he got over it. What helps keep his sanity now are his friends outside of the movie business.
If he had not got the part as Frodo in LOTR, Elijah said that he was going to go to the Film School at UCLA. Now he says that he has been going to film school for the past 15 years.
:lol:

Apologies, mariole, for not being clear! The Philadelphia Orchestra has played the LOTR Symphony the past two summers at The Mann Center, an outdoor ampitheater. The Pittsburgh Symphony played at Heinz Hall, a concert hall (converted from an old, ornate movie theater). Besides the improved acoustics, the Pittsburgh Symphony's performance was better than the Philadelphia Orchestra's. Last year in Phila., the orchestra almost stopped playing at one point. While that didn't happen this year, the performance continued to be plagued by the sound technicians not turning on the microphones until after the soloists had begun singing, then turning the mikes up too much, resulting in an instance of very loud feedback and a couple of loud screeches. (Which would have been fine if it was during A Knife in the Dark. ;) )

Playing in a concert hall clearly gives Pittsburgh the advantage, but due to the continued sloppiness of the sound crew in Philadelphia, my preference is Pittsburgh over Philadelphia.

Pelegia does not remember hearing the lead-in music to Pippin's song last year in Phila. Since we were attending the concert Pittsburgh only a week later, we paid close attention this time and the music played was that of the soundtrack. (Not all the music on the soudtracks is in the Symphony. For example, the music played during The Turn is played in the Symphony, but is not on the soundtrack. Need to work something EW related into this!)

During the Q&A, BB explained how it is tricky to sing with an orchestra, because since he is singing a cappella, he has to stay in pitch so when the orchestra resumes playing, everyone is in tune. He looked slightly nervous, very serious, and sang well. At the end, when the performers were taking their bows, he seemed a little embarrassed to be up on stage with the orchestra, chorus, soloists, and conducter. That was my impression, anyway.

During the Q&A, he talked about the benefits of surfing not being a popular sport in Scotland. The waves are great, but since there are so few surfers, he has the water almost all to himself. He also praised NZ, and encouraged everyone to visit, if possible. When asked who he would not want to work with again, he answered, 'That guy on Lost.'

If any of The Faculty wants to take a trip, take Pelegia as she will comment on the local history and geography of each (and every) :haha:
region you drive through. Do not, under any circumstances, let Achila near a Minimate or action figure of Frodo. She truely is a 'pervy Elijah fancier.' :eek: :p

C-now I'm in for it!-4

Do not, under any circumstances, let Achila near a Minimate or action figure of Frodo. She truely is a 'pervy Elijah fancier.'HEEEEEEYYYYYYYY!!!!!! Can I help it if his bottom kept falling off??????!!!!! :D

But what were you doing when you pulled his hair off? No, don't tell me. I don't want to know.

But what were you doing when you pulled his hair off? No, don't tell me. I don't want to know.A girl's gotta have SOMETHING to hang onto, after all. *snerk* It was those girly lips made me do it

I deleted my post with all my speculations about child actors (ie Elijah) and education. It's an important topic to me since these are questions we wrestle with personally--but maybe it wasn't appropriate to talk about??? I don't know. Whether elijah did or didn't finish high school. To me it related to the whole child actor discussion, but maybe if it was elijah reading the post it would seem to be none of my business. You think??? I don't know. sorry if it was over the line. And if it wasn't, then sorry I deleted it ;)

Baffled
:rolleyes:

[QUOTE]But I got a clip of an interview that Moondancer sent me in which he said he didn't finish his high school work. He had been getting all As and he said lots of the courses he finished were college level and the rest seemed to be a lot of repeat...so he quit.I knew the part about his grades and so on but didn't realize he hadn't finished -- thanks for the info.

On one of the specials didn't it say he had his 18th birthday in New Zealand? Since that was 2000, it was his 19th birthday.

Once that movie started-18 months of shooting, where would be the time to study??? And after it was over...the let down period, then the reshoots and promotion. He maybe did not have the chance to finish. And going to UCLA would also have been a schedule challenge...I think this was in his plans well before the mind-blowing success of LOTR came along and changed everything. Besides UCLA film school, he also spoke of studying English, so perhaps he was thinking of doing a "Jodie Foster" and temporarily quitting acting to go to school full time.

Pulling his hair off, Achila!!! No, stop, quit!!! (I likes that hair)It wouldn't stay on....

Elijah landed in New Zealand in August 1999. Filming didn't start until January 2000. His birthday is January 28th. He keeps saying that he just turned 18 when they started filming. So his math is a little off. Principle filming was 16 months.
He passed the GED before LOTR. If he was still taking high school coarses when he passed the GED, what's the point in finishing them? He already had his GED and was taking college level coarses.

Just let me add, to ceefour’s account of the “LotR Symphony” in Pittsburgh (thank you for writing that up), that the audience was VERY appreciative: prolonged standing ovation.

Shelbyshire wrote: Seeing the symphony in Seattle was extraordinary. I had tears in my eyes twice. Once when Frodo is with Bilbo in Rivendell and says "I'm not like you, Bilbo." and then, of course, at the Grey Havens. For me, the most moving part of the evening was Kaitlyn Lusk’s performance of “Into the West.” I was sniffling, and Achila was scrambling for kleenex for herself. We agreed that it had been a while since that song got to us that way.

Achila wrote, of our drive on the PA Turnpike: I pretty much just kept hissing "tunnel" every time we approached one. I'm wacky that way. And while IN the tunnels, Achila sometimes sang Gollum’s taunting little song ("Caught in the web/Soon he'll be -- eaten!") while I periodically shrieked “Smeagol?” Never a dull moment with our trio. (And yes, as ceefour noted, I did provide unsolicited commentary on Pennsylvania history and geography – as a former history teacher long ago, I just can’t help it. In return, ceefour and Achila kindly taught me how to distinguish between horses and cows, since I had some difficulty with that.)

BTW, the Frodo Minimates are much cuter “in person” than in the picture. I especially like the very worried eyebrows on “twilight Frodo.”

Ereshkigal wrote: Wood's character from EII, if played true to book, will be a rather restrained performance. GSH looks more dynamic, performance-wise. I can’t speak for EII, obviously; but I think that Matt will be an eye-opener for many people.

Alyon: Thanks for the inside info on auditions, and for your comments on whether actors tend to be extroverts (the original question was mine).

chattegrise: Jake Gyllenhaal as Frodo! Oh, my. The Valar were obviously with us during casting.

Geez--How long does somebody have to be gone before you get missed around here? :confused: I guess it's only been a week or so, but it seems like forever... :k I can now tell everyone who mailed me anything that I finally got my mailbox key :o and everything that was sent has arrived, and is in good condition--even after days of sitting in a closed, metal mailbox in 100+-degree temps.

Interesting last several pages of discussion that I won't try to add to--don't know that I'd have anything to add, anyway. (And I apologize for any birthdays I missed--serena's, I'm sure, and maybe others. :( )

Best of all is to see {{{zkgrumpy}}} back! :cool:
Now, don't do that again! We wuz worried. :k

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He passed the GED before LOTR. If he was still taking high school coarses when he passed the GED, what's the point in finishing them? He already had his GED and was taking college level coarses.
http://www.frodolivesin.us/ejw/05c15f00.jpg

(Of course, that was two movies prior to LotR. ;) )


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From Mechtild:
...how does one tint just one part of a picture?
Mechtild, I thought you were a PhotoShop maven! :eek: ;) Surely it has a paint brush tool, doesn't it? Pick your blue, turn the opacity w-a-y down, and have at it! :) And if you do your "art travesties" with something other than PhotoShop, look for a paint brush tool in whatever program you use.

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Last and also least--Well, it had to be done...

http://www.frodolivesin.us/Pics/1962c3a0.jpg

:haha:

ETA: Noticed that we have "casting call" ads on the page now. :D

tg, my "automatic reply" thing is not working for K-D. I actually thought the thread must be asleep!

You wrote,

Mechtild, I thought you were a PhotoShop maven! Surely it has a paint brush tool, doesn't it? Pick your blue, turn the opacity w-a-y down, and have at it! And if you do your "art travesties" with something other than PhotoShop, look for a paint brush tool in whatever program you use.
Thanks so much! I'll look. We have Digital Image Pro and ACDSee. I barely know how to use them; I just experiment. I will look for "paint brush."

~ Mechtild

Elijah landed in New Zealand in August 1999. Filming didn't start until January 2000.

TXTAC ~ you're right, Elijah did land in NZ at the very end of Aug 99, but principal filming actually started on 11 October 1999 in Mt Victoria Park. Not trying to be a know-all - the filming of LOTR is just one of my pet subjects :) It was the filming of the Hobbiton scenes which began in Jan 2000, after Ian M had arrived. And isn't it funny how everyone gets Elijah's age wrong in relation to the shoot - even Elijah :D In one of the documentaries, could have been on the dvd, he said "I was 17 when I first flew to NZ to start filming LOTR" - no you weren't, you were 18!! Ian M also said that Elijah celebrated his 17th birthday during filming - also wrong of course.

Just in case anyone has missed them, Bunnie has posted the pics from the latest Elijah photoshoot in the Hugs Haven. Certainly worth a visit ;)

.And isn't it funny how everyone gets Elijah's age wrong in relation to the shoot - even Elijah :D In one of the documentaries, could have been on the dvd, he said "I was 17 when I first flew to NZ to start filming LOTR" - no you weren't, you were 18!! Ian M also said that Elijah celebrated his 17th birthday during filming - also wrong of course.Billy's famous story about having his birthday on the flight over with Orlando also doesn't make sense. He said he turned 30, but he was born in 1968, so that would've made him 31. I know you fly over the international dateline to NZ and lose a day, but not a whole year!!!

Billy's famous story about having his birthday on the flight over with Orlando also doesn't make sense. He said he turned 30, but he was born in 1968, so that would've made him 31. I know you fly over the international dateline to NZ and lose a day, but not a whole year!!!

If there was such a dateline, I'd pay good money to fly over it about 10 times!

:rolleyes:

PS -- welcome back, TG -- we missed you!!! :k

ETA -- Anyone else getting a bunch of weird emails from Odd Lot today????

Achila wrote- Anyone else getting a bunch of weird emails from Odd Lot today?
I am not getting squat. I am beginning to think my e-mail is broke. The world is very quiet out there. Waiting for the other shoe to drop?

Guys are notoriously bad on dates, but to be a year off on your own birthday, especially the key legal age of 18, is something. Elijah is never that bad.
I'm smelling an Elfin plot. A Valor time warp to protect middle earth. Is N.Z. on the Julian, or Gregorian calender? Was Elijah using the Shire calender to calculate Frodo's age? It's the Ring! Remember that the One Ring magically lengthens one's lifetime! Elijah was mathematically 18, but in Middle Earth reality was physically 17. It's all the fault of that d*m*ed Ring!

Re: weird emails. I should clarify. I got 5 emails from them, the subject was "Hooligans" and the message was "ASDFASDF". Looks like a probe to me.

Achila wrote- the message was "ASDFASDF". Looks like a probe to me.
Look on your keyboard. The letters ASDF are in a row on the left hand side. This just looks like some techie is testing their system. After all of the problems Odd Lot had getting their system to work earlier when we were trying to log into it, it's about time for them to overhaul it. :z:

I got 5 emails from them, the subject was "Hooligans" and the message was "ASDFASDF". Looks like a probe to me.
I have six: 1 with asdfasdf, 2 with ASDFASDF, 1 with asdf and 2 with uoy8o. Looks to me like tests which were sent by mistake.

Hey, all! Have been having wicked bad connectivity problems over the past days, culminating in the moment when my husband "bricked" our modem trying to download upgraded software to it. Would you believe the little pop-up alerting us to the failed download read "Upgrade are Failed"? :lol: Anyway, we're all sorted now.

I haven't got any of those weird Odd Lot messages today, but I did pop over to look at the site and sign up with another of my four e-mail addresses just in case. Have you been to look lately? Below the "new" lame title it reads "The Movie Hollywood Doesn't Want You to See!" It also lists September 9th as the opening date in NY, LA and Chicago! :cool: Hey, it's a start.

TG I missed you, but then there doesn't seem to be much to say lately so I was attributing your silence to great wisdom! ;)

Alyon and Chattergise, thanks for the very educational casting information. Alyon, I didn't see anything questionable in your post about Elijah's grades or schooling. I'm sorry you felt you had to delete that.

still here,
honey!

Geez--How long does somebody have to be gone before you get missed around here? :confused: I guess it's only been a week or so, but it seems like foreverOh tg I missed you for sure. Actually I have noticed a lot of absences here recently. Since I have been lurking myself I chalk it up to the HEAT.
( OT So are "WE" absolutely sure there is no such thing as global warming? :lol: )

Whiteling thanks for the calligraphy "photo". Very nice.

By the way I too received 5 emails from OddLot. I think I will reply and see what that does. :haha:

p.s zkgrumpy pleeeeze stay in touch.
saile :D

Sorry for not being able to post pic's yet, but here is the new Green Street Poster: http://impawards.com/2005/hooligans_ver2.html

Does this poster say "Stand Your Ground" or "Be Part of the Team" ? It definitly has a better picture of Charlie Hunnam!

Dougie Brimson has asked that anyone seeing Green Street at the "special screening" at the end of July, or at the Edinburgh Film Festival to e-mail him with your honest opinion of the movie. You can reach him at dougie@brimson.net Thanks.

Anyone notice that on the bottom of the new Green Street Hooligans web page it has a "click here for a free leather GSH wristband." It does not work either. So much for the "new and improved" website!

They list the date for the U.S. release, September 9; but they still have the August 26 date for the U.K. release. Dougie Brimson said that the U.K. release date was pushed back to September 9 also because of the Edinburgh Film Festival. Has anyone heard anything definitive yet?

I have six: 1 with asdfasdf, 2 with ASDFASDF, 1 with asdf and 2 with uoy8o. Looks to me like tests which were sent by mistake.Not necessarily by mistake -- that's what I meant by probe. They may have been testing to see if the email addresses they had were valid. Nothing insidious there, I'm sure.

txtac wrote: Does this poster say "Stand Your Ground" or "Be Part of the Team" ? It definitly has a better picture of Charlie Hunnam! It says "Stand Your Ground." This one is similar to the one that someone else linked here recently; but I notice that Elijah seems to have been pushed into the second row. Hmmmmmm.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/hooligans_ver2.jpg


tg, welcome back! During the Pittsburgh trip, Achila, ceefour, and I talked about how long you had been away. You're always missed.

This one is similar to the one that someone else linked here recently; but I notice that Elijah seems to have been pushed into the second row. Hmmmmmm.Well, that makes sense, Pelagia, as this is the poster for the UK release. As Charlie is the local boy, it's logical that they'd put him in the forefront. :)

It says "Stand Your Ground." This one is similar to the one that someone else linked here recently; but I notice that Elijah seems to have been pushed into the second row. Hmmmmmm.

makes sense story wise too, as he joins the GSE as a "follower." He sort of becomes something else though.

I have six: 1 with asdfasdf, 2 with ASDFASDF, 1 with asdf and 2 with uoy8o.

My theory: they had an odd lot squirrels lumbering across their keyboard :D.


That's for Tg:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/frodo_dragon_back.jpg

Welcome back! :k


Achila, Pelagia, Ceefour - *loved* your trip reports! :) :) :)

Well, that makes sense, Pelagia, as this is the poster for the UK release. As Charlie is the local boy, it's logical that they'd put him in the forefront. :)

Local boy!!! Last I saw he had left these shores to live in America and had completely got rid of his natural North East accent. I got the distinct impression from his conversation that he had abandoned the UK for better things. Rather put me off him, it did.

Although there is perhaps intended logic in putting him at the front for a UK audience, I got the impression from all I have read that the story is very much Matt's, so without the american actor there would be no film. I am also not so sure that Charlie Hunman is that well know over here. Although I had seen him in Cold Mountain, he didn't register in my mind until he was linked to Elijah for Green Street.

Is anyone going to Edinburgh to see the film? I would love to go, but not alone and hubby can't take time off to go along.

There is an interesting discussion at TORn on FOTR, well interesting that is if you still enjoy discussing Elijah in THAT role. Sigh.
Annotated FOTR Scene Discussion (http://www.theonering.net/rumour_mill/rpg/viewer/moviediscussion/42E475DC0006188E.html)
I enjoyed it.
saile :D

Thanks, saile. I have been following the discussion over at TORN (as if I don't have anything else to do, like dust and vacuum and go foodshopping. Will this obsession never end? :D )

whiteling, glad you have enjoyed our field trip reports. We really did laugh most of the time. Even when Pelagia had me driving in the opposite direction of the hotel, so we drove around an extra 30 minutes trying to get back to it :lol: . Achila wouldn't share the chocolate covered pretzels. :eek: Then I had to sleep on the floor of the hotel room. :p

C4

There is an interesting discussion at TORn on FOTR, well interesting that is if you still enjoy discussing Elijah in THAT role. Sigh.
Annotated FOTR Scene Discussion
I enjoyed it.
saile

Saile ~ I will ALWAYS enjoy discussing Elijah in THAT role. Thanks for pointing this out :)

Btw, there is an interview with Elijah in the Sept. (September :eek: - we're still in July!!) issue of Empire. It was done on the set of EII, mainly discussing GSH, but doesn't really tell us anything we don't already know. Just two pics, one from GSH, the other a large close-up which I'm sure has been around for ages.

Achila wouldn't share the chocolate covered pretzels. :eek:Your waistline should be thanking me. Mine, however, wasn't nearly as complimentary.

Then I had to sleep on the floor of the hotel room. :p We kept ceefour on the floor and near the door just in case we had to make a run for it. All that talk of hot hobbits could've set off the sprinklers or something.... :p

Hey -- that was my 800th post!

There is an interesting discussion at TORn on FOTR, well interesting that is if you still enjoy discussing Elijah in THAT role. Sigh.
Annotated FOTR Scene Discussion (http://www.theonering.net/rumour_mill/rpg/viewer/moviediscussion/42E475DC0006188E.html)
I enjoyed it.
saile :D
Thanks for the link, saile--but I couldn't figure out how to get into the discussion :confused: . When I finally thought I'd kind of figured out how to even read the thread, I tried everything I could come up with to find out how to become a registered member (I think I was, probably 5 years ago)--site map, search (no matches for "register" "registering" "registered" or "log on"), the newbie section, FAQs... :( If you're a member, could you do me a favor and put in a link to The One Expression (http://frodolivesin.us/oneexpression) page in response to the person who was looking for a pic of "the nod" to compare with the money shot? Thanks. (First I asked for a hotlink to the picture, but I edited that out after thinking of what that could do to the site's bandwidth if it got posted at TORN!) Problem is, just about everything I read in the discussion made me want to link to something :rolleyes: , but that's the only thing I can contribute that was directly requested.

--I didn't physically go anywhere for a week, for those who got that impression. Life's just been a bit overwhelming and it's taking some effort to hold things together--so it's probably just as well that I can't figure out how to get into the discusssion over at TORN. ;)

ETA: Only 8 posts til thread #9!

BunnieBugs wrote: Well, that makes sense, Pelagia, as this is the poster for the UK release. As Charlie is the local boy, it's logical that they'd put him in the forefront. I’ve never claimed to be sensible where Elijah is concerned! ;) More seriously, I think Skater girl makes a good point that the story is very much Matt's . . . . and is definitely seen through his eyes. But of course, the true nature of a film doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with how that film is promoted. (I’ve never quite gotten over the fact that The Good Girl was not the comedy that the promo had led me to believe.)

saile, thanks for the TORN link. Although I noticed the following sacrilegious question over there: Is the perfect Frodo still out there? And the equally sacrilegious comment: Incidentally, there are some rumors that Wood’s eyes were digitally enhanced in this shot [the "money shot"], and even enlarged like the mouth of The Mouth of Sauron. :rolleyes:

tg wrote: I didn't physically go anywhere for a week, for those who got that impression. Life's just been a bit overwhelming and it's taking some effort to hold things together That's what many of us had assumed, based on what had been going on before your "disappearance." I hope things settle down soon.

I will not deign to answer ceefour’s aspersions on my navigational skills, except to say that that was the only time we went astray, and it was the fault of the vague Yahoo directions and the incorrect AAA map. Also, please note that I ultimately saved both of the others from the chocolate-covered pretzels by carrying them home with me (the pretzels, that is).

The Venice International Film Festival, which opens August 31 and runs through September 10, has 19 films vying for the "Golden Lion" award in the Competition section of the festival. The festival will also feature Out of Competition and Horizons sections, as well as The Secret History of Asian Cinema.

The Horizons section, focusing on new trends in cinema, will feature films including Werner Herzog's The Wild Blue Yonder, Philip Groning's documentary Die Grosse Stille, and Liev Schrieber's Everything is Illuminated, starring Elijah Wood.

Here for the whole article -- http://www.cinematical.com/2005/07/28/venice-international-film-festival-announces/

Interesting news, Achila.

I wonder what the "new trend" is that will feature in Everything is Illuminated? :confused:

curiously,
honey!

honeyelf wrote: I wonder what the "new trend" is that will feature in Everything is Illuminated? This “Horizons” section certainly seems to be a curious one. The other two entrants that the article mentions in the same category are Werner Herzog’s The Wild Blue Yonder – described elsewhere as the story of astronauts lost in space, the secret Roswell object re-examined and Brad Dourif [one degree of Elijah!] as alien, telling us all about his home planet – and Philip Groening’s Die Grosse Stille – which, according to an online article in German that I’m pretty sure I’ve read correctly, is a documentary about Carthusian monks at the monastery of La Grande Chartreuse. That’s a very strange assortment!

Since the Venice festival winds up on September 10, will this be the first "official" showing of EII??

HoneyElf:
Alyon, I didn't see anything questionable in your post about Elijah's grades or schooling. I'm sorry you felt you had to delete that

Okay--thanks for that :) . I just got a momentary feeling of whispering someone's personal stuff in public --but of course it all came from Elijah, who was public about it--like duh, coz that's how I knew-- so though most people don't necessarily want to details of their grades or whatever talked about--I guess it's okay because he said it himself. ;) :confused:

So I did check the interview I got my info from. It is a clip from NZ TV, 2003. Elijah says "I quit high school"--and goes on to say that with all of the traveling and promotion he got behind, and that he had already taken some college level courses and what was coming up seemed to repeat old work he had done, so he just said he gave it up. Maybe this isn't the whole story and he got a GED, instead of going forward to graduate normally, as he might have intended. don't know. Txtac said he got his GED. So that could have been the case. He maybe had intended to do more.

Again, lots of high school age actors pass a profiency test or get their GED early so that they don't have rigid requirements on set for tutors and can work longer hours. But it means they spend a lot of off work time catching up. Demands of work and promotion that come at the wrong time make school work difficult, at times. My guess is that if he already had make up work to do, it would have been impossible to complete during the filming of Lotrs. (Ah, that's the Frodo sacrifice :D )

ETA: In elijah's case by many accounts he sure has educated himself , being well-read and informed and traveled....and maybe since then he HAS made the formal school-work all up--and maybe even continured further. Maybe even this year he has done that. But my point is that it's an extra pressure at his age to have been doing school and such mammoth projects. It's not easy to do it all. I meant this speculation to relate to acting because it's part of that wrestling that comes with the profession. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he has gone back and finished up since Lotrs work pressure has finished. He is obviously very smart..hope he can do whatever he wants to do. I am so grateful for his Frodo....

Another thing that I've been wondering about is that Sean Astin (in his book) said Lotrs wasn't a union movie. Anybody know anything about that?

Welcome back Tg. HOpe life starts treating you real fine--you deserve it.
And it's great to see you make a comeback, Grumpy. Don't go away!

A friend of mine on LJ has been in direct contact with someone at OddLot regarding Green Street Hooligans and has some information about premieres and opening weekends and stuff. I'm quoting her here, but I've altered it slightly for this public forum (mostly just took out personal asides and whatnot).


1. They ARE considering Edinburgh their European premiere, and not just a film festival screening. They obviously can't make any promises with respect to ANY person in particular, especially given Elijah's schedule with "Everything is Illuminated", but they do expect there to be a cast/director presence.

2. It looks like the 3 US premiere cities - LA, NYC and Chicago - will each have a separate "special" premiere on its own day the week before 9 September - probably Chicago, then LA, then NYC. The Chicago one will probably be a benefit of some sort and will most likely be on September 6. The other 2 cities are much less likely to have early premieres that are open to the public, so best to plan for the 9th.

3. Chicagoans - our theatres will be Webster Place (in Lincoln Park), River East, and the Century Evanston. Line-partyers and Trilogy-Tuesday goers will be most familiar with the River East. There will probably be some postcards and one-sheets available if you're going that first weekend, so keep your eyes peeled.

4. IF YOU WANT THE MOVIE TO OPEN IN MORE CITIES, MAKE SURE YOU AND ALL YOUR FRIENDS ATTEND DURING THE FIRST WEEKEND. I'm not kidding - this is vital. Don't count on it coming to you if you don't make this effort. And Chicagoans in particular - if you want to see more films give Chicago a shot at a premiere, GO!

5. The college tour thing just won't work out timing-wise - the movie's opening too early for them to build any kind of buzz that way. They may have some kind of a presence in early September at concerts held on college campuses, but what that would be - who knows?

6. One Blood is, or will be shortly, available on iTunes. Yay for Terence!

7. I told her about the problem with the wristband link on the website, and she's going to pass it on to the LA folk.
I'm posting this mostly for the benefit of people who are in a position to actually see this its opening weekend. Please please please :z: try to help see that it gets a good opening box office, so that more of us will eventually get to see it in our neck of the woods!

You are free to disseminate this information to any and all who might be interested.

For anyone with access to German TV, I have just noticed that Radio Flyer is being shown on PRO7 at 8.45 AM on Monday 1 August.

Alyon said: Elijah says "I quit high school"--and goes on to say that with all of the traveling and promotion he got behind, and that he had already taken some college level courses and what was coming up seemed to repeat old work he had done, so he just said he gave it up.

*le sigh* My favorite drop-out! :( He's way smarter than that, silly boy! I guess if an education was important to him he'd have pursued it. Well, he still can; he's very young yet.

Bunnie, I don't know quite how I feel about the Hooligans news. I'll cross all available appendages that the movie gets wider release. But I guess this means that they won't be going to the fans to help get it into more theaters? :confused: Well, hubby has been talking about a little vacation in a month or so; maybe we'll just head to LA for a few days in early September. That's two more butts in seats, right?

ETA: Did anybody save the original version of "One Blood" instead of the new edit? I prefer the old cut.

You think Odd Lot has made this new move to distance themselves from the fan-efforts to see the movie? just wondering.

ETAA: Never mind that last. Stupid question. The third AICN entry on the "Reviews" page is the same letter that I received weeks ago, still says they'll help fans to get it into their home town theaters. Interesting.

resignedly,
honey!