The timing of the London première is perplexing, though: Dougie Brimson's site still has it as August 26 (Friday). but Lexi says August 22 (Monday). I guess she should know. Anyone have any more news on that? The nightmare of being there on the wrong day is too awful to contemplate :eek: Serena! How lovely to see you again!

From what I understand, the film opens to the public on the 26th, but the actual premiere, which includes the cast and such, will be the 22nd. But don't take my word for it -- anyone planning on going had better be sure that my info is correct before taking the plunge. Imagine turning up on the wrong day! :eek:

I’ve been surfing some UK websites, for more reactions to Sin City. From the (UK) Independent’s review: . . . former hobbit Elijah Wood, playing a creature whose Harry Potter spectacles belie a temperament closer to Hannibal Lecter. And from the Guardian’s “film talk” messageboard: Elijah Wood is very cool Sin City]. Kind of quiet but there's nothing wrong with that. I'd never thought that Elijah could get away with playing a psycho madman banana-case ninja type but he does. And finally, I stumbled upon this “clerihew,” from the same messageboard. (A clerihew, according to another poster, is a poem consisting of four lines: the name of a famous person, a rhyming line, and a couplet; apparently, there are no rules governing meter). Elijah Wood
Has not grown up like he should.
But doubts of his manliness are held in check
By his astonishingly wide neck. Since I haven’t posted any doggerel here for a while, and am feeling silly, this inspired me to write my own clerihew:

Elijah Wood
Has acting skills that are amazingly good.
Like other Faculty members, I have ruminated
On what he’ll do in Everything Is Illuminated.

(This could become a whole new time-wasting activity. . . .)

I was so depsrate to do something towards getting to the premiere of Hooligans that I e-mailed the only person I could find contact details for. This was Dougie Brimson. To my surprise, I actually got a reply in which he states that he couldn't give me any details of when, where etc, simply because he himself doesn't know.

So for now, I am working on it being 22/8, though I may book the entire week off work, just to make sure I can be there on the day.

Serena - it's so good to see you! :k Thanks for the BBC link.

Skater girl, how surprisingly is that - Dougie seems to lack any insider info. I'm really excited for you, having the chance to see the One Lad in the flesh!

After Pelagia's clever clerihew bestowed the page three poetry links (one for Haikus in French :p) I couldn't help myself -
here's my poor effort...

Elijah Wood -
his one expression is widely misunderstood.
Not *all* people can see
his facial subtlety.

:haha:


Happy birthday, Chattegrise! :)

Welcome Lilith !!!Hope you will enjoy the company
here as much as i do!!!!
And i loved your report from the set!!!!!

Serena !!!!So good to see you again!!!!!!!And thanks for the link!!!!
only 10 days left!!!!!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHATTEGRISE!!!!!

Narya !!!Gently hugs in your direction!!!!Take care!!! :k :k

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

Welcome Lilith. And thank you for your report from the EII set. What a long day for you all.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, CHATTEGRISE!

HAVE A LOVELY, HAPPY DAY! (http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/Chattegrise.gif)

Narya Best wishes for a speedy recovery. :)

Whitling, Wood and especially Blossom, how very very kind! thank you so much!

chattegrise

(heading out the door, going off line for 3 days. whatever will i do???)

Happy Birthday, Chattegrise! :k :k :k
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/addiasbw.jpg

Goldenberry said: I have such fond memories of our RL meeting in Seattle. :) :) :)
Me too, Goldenberry! What a lovely dinner we two and Peaceweaver had! :)

Lovely to see you again, Serena!

Pelagia, I love your clerihew! I'll have to try one! :D

Elijah Wood
Has a face that's good
And a nature so sweet
He's hard to beat!

Ugh. I need practice! :rolleyes:

honey!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHATTEGRISE!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/billiep/photoshoot-8-001.jpg

:k

cheers!

saile

sigh........

I meant to add my get well wishes too, Narya! :k :k May your recovery be speedy!

honey!

(((Faculty)))

Another late birthday greeting :o , to Chattegrise (How nice to see that you're still watching the thread! :k ).

Best wishes for a quick and easy recovery, Narya. :k

Good to see you drop in, Serena! (And your Sin City comments exactly match mine :) ).

Greetings to Lilith--don't worry, we're always happy to get what might seem like the smallest bits of news on Elijah :p , especially eye-witness accounts. And I'll join with those who are glad that we're an international group. It's always good to get different views, and IMVHO one thing we're good at is asking for an explanation of a statement if we think we might not be understanding it correctly.

Brummie, glad you found some good things on my website. I consider it an unofficial Faculty site, so let me know if there's anything in particular you'd like to see. -- I haven't forgotten the request on The War; it's first in line when I get a chance to actually make some new screencaps, which is probably a month or so away yet. No general site updates at this point, and there probably won't be a lot during June, but I did manage to get "Casey Connor: Action Hero" completed. I think it's the last four pages that no one's seen yet, starting with the scene under the bleachers--but the whole list is here: http://www.frodolivesin.us/ejw/id64.htm . I have been working on some "experiments" that I may foist upon you all before too long [where's that "evil grin" smiley? :haha: ]

--As I expected, my sisters weren't much help in the moving, so I basically lost the weekend for getting anything done :rolleyes: . But they did do a thorough walk-through of the "new" apartment, finding things that needed to be fixed (they're much pickier than me :p ), even adding an item to the "I can't move in until..." list that I've given to the management.

Okay I'll try one:

Elijah Wood
Acts for his livelihood.
As a child star he was thought a sprite.
His fan base now has an insatiable appetite. :haha:

Best wishes Narya. Be well.

Thanks for the gift of Casey Connor: Action Hero, Tg. :k
I am trying to watch all of Elijah's films this summer, beginning at the beginning and watching them in order of filming. I like to check your site, Tg, for your perspective and insight after/before watching the film. Certainly adds to the enjoyment. I have seen Child in the Night(yes, TV but a real part) and Avalon so far (this summer). I think that Radio Flyer was filmed before Paradise, althought released later IIRC, so that is next. I will want to check out Casey Connor:Action Hero thoroughly before I get to that film.

cheers!
saile

Lilith, welcome to The Faculty and thank you for sharing your experiences as an extra on EII. Please don't worry about your English; you can practice on us!

A happy belated birthday to Chattegrise!

tg, it's a shame you don't have Merry to organize your move and to go on ahead to arrange all your belongings.

What made you think the shot in which Casey dives through the bleacher framing might be a stunt double?

In my Internet wanderings yesterday, there were some pictures from EII on the Warner Brothers site I had not seen before.

http://wip.warnerbrothers.com/

Click an EII and then photos.

Hi to all The Faculty!

C4

A belated Happy Birthday wish for Chattegrise! Hope you had a lovely day!


I've really been enjoying your Action Hero Casey caps, TG! I squinted and squinted at the series that you think might be a stunt double, and it's simply impossible to tell. I think it's likely that it is a double (even though I'm pretty sure that Elijah could have done it), if only because of the strategic shadowing of the face with his arm at the end, there. Out of curiosity, did you try lightening that cap a bit to see if you could make out any features?

I'm also not convinced that it's Elijah in that falling off the roof scene earlier in the film. I may have to watch it myself in frame-by-frame, but in your caps, it looks like someone else. Good thing I already have the DVD in my player, huh? ;)

Oh, and you have my sympathies with the moving -- we moved a year ago, and I'm still unpacking. :rolleyes:

tg, it's a shame you don't have Merry organize your move and go on ahead to arrange all your belongings.
This is an excellent point, and I support it whole-heartedly.

Don't ask me about stunt doubles. I'm the one who was sure that picture of Kevin from SC was full of prosthetics, only to be found WRONG WRONG WRONG! So I will just nod and agree with everybody else. :o

I'm loving this little poem things. Very amusing!

Just a quick wave to all my old Faculty friends, and greetings to the new. Cheers!

Hi everyone!!!!!!

Thanks for the link C4 !!!!!

BUT WHY HAVE THEY PUT THOSE BIG GLASES ON HIM??????? :( :(


waves to all my faculty friends!!!!!

Nice to see you dropping by Tg !!
Some relaxing with facultyfriends and some minutes away from the move will do you ´good!!! :k :k


LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

from BunnieBugs:
From what I understand, the film opens to the public on the 26th, but the actual premiere, which includes the cast and such, will be the 22nd.

Thanks for the explanation, Bunnie! I was too thick to work that one out. Hmmm .... that means it will be hard to see the cast AND the film in a single visit to London. Will have to think hard about that one. Well, imdb tells us it may even reach Europe by the end of September! Here's hoping ....

Mr E. Jordan Wood
Is unnaturally good.
At what, you may ask?
Well, at wearing the mask.

Elijah Wood
Most certainly should.
Should do what, you may wonder?
Revisit Down Under ......

OK, enough doggerel for one visit :)

HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY, CHATTEGRISE !!!!

Belated birthday wishes to chattegrise, and belated thanks to Lilith for the EII information. Also, Narya, as my physician said to me after I had major surgery 15 years ago, “Don’t measure your progress in days – how you feel today vs. how you felt yesterday – because you’ll just get discouraged.”

ceefour, thanks for the EII link. But still only the one limited glimpse of Sammy Davis Junior Junior. Has anyone made a guess as to breed? Maybe a giant schnauzer??

Glad to see the other Elijah clerihews (Elijahews??). I thought of a few more, but they were on the ribald side. :o

I was exploring some of tgshaw’s screencaps this morning, and came across the section (in FotR) where Frodo tries to give the Ring to Gandalf. tg writes: It's movie-Frodo's chance to get a bit peevish with Gandalf, something book-Frodo does more than once. In fact, in the third and fourth caps I'd say he's downright mad (after the fear of the first two). In all of them, he's trying to deal with something he doesn't understand: The Ring is too much for him to handle--isn't it? Why won't Gandalf take it? And here is one of the caps. I had to chuckle a bit; "peevish" is the perfect word (and I don't think I've ever seen quite this expression on Elijah):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/AngryFrodo.jpg

ceefour, thanks for the EII link. But still only the one limited glimpse of Sammy Davis Junior Junior. Has anyone made a guess as to breed? Maybe a giant schnauzer??Don't think so, luv -- she's a black and white mutt-looking thing.

Glad to see the other Elijah clerihews (Elijahews??). I thought of a few more, but they were on the ribald side.

Hmmmmmm so were several of mine. :haha: I'll show you mine if........

OT sort of but there is a tie in....... a local paper in reviewing Brad Pitt's new movie MR. & Mrs. Smith says Pitt is both devilish killer and angelic husband but he remains as predictable and dull as one could be - a movie heartthrob with a winning smile. It's his BURDEN, and only crazy disregard for his PUBLIC IMAGE can save him now.
It makes me glad EW seems to have a "bigger" picture in mind in regards to his acting career with perhaps still the imput from his mother (??wishful thinking????). And atleast some of his fan base while wanting success for him is willing to see him try ANYTHING.

cheers!
saile :D :D

Thanks, ceefour, for the new EII pics--some interesting stuff there! It looks as if Jonathan's penchant for collecting things in
Baggies(TM) is going to end up in the "surreal" department, although it isn't that way in the book. Maybe it's a good thing the movie is giving him a quirk or two (we'll hope it's a good thing :z: ). The shot of Alex approaching Lista's house is interesting, too--I'm really curious about how the realistic and the surreal will come together in this movie. And Lista is pretty much as I'd pictured her. So is Sammy Davis Junior Junior, from what I can see of her :cool: ; I'll be very disappointed if she's anything but a mutt. :p

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Jumping off from Pelagia's mention of "peevish" movie-Frodo -- I've been writing some essays lately where I've noticed that "movie-Frodo" and "Frolijah" mean two completely different things to me: movie-Frodo is the way the part is written, while Frolijah is the way the character is acted onscreen, and the two aren't always the same. IMVHO, there are times when Frolijah redeems movie-Frodo, when I think Elijah's take on the character is closer to the real thing than the writers' conception is (the crossroads, the Grey Havens--I'd add sending Sam home, but that's so made out of whole cloth that it's hard to judge).

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ETA--Just re-noticed the discussion of stunt doubles in The Faculty. Besides not seeing Casey's face when he leaps out of the bleachers, I'd also bet on a stunt double there because of how he lands with his head on a hard floor. Elijah probably could do it, but IMHO a smart director wouldn't let him do it :eek: . And that drop off the roof looks odd to me, too. I still don't know if it's the face or the camera angle. Seems his face is shown a lot for it to be a stunt double, but, then, they probably weren't worrying about screencaps at the time. I should look again at the scene in regular speed to see it as they meant it to be seen.

Your welcome tg, pelagia, and wood. We'll all have to be better Net surfers, now that Achila has a job. (Why did you go and get a job, Achila? What's more important, EW or paying the rent? :haha: )

I have been wondering, too, how the transition from the real to the surreal in EII will be explained. Maybe it won't be, leaving the audience to decide.

C4

ETA-Pure speculation and there is really no way of ever knowing (unless PJ tells us in the 25th Anniversary 3D Hi-Def Interactive Edition). If PJ & Co. had more time, would Frodo become closer to the book, as Arwen did? The seperation of Frodo and Sam was planned from the very beginning, but in the commentaries, it's been mentioned more than once, that the longer the movie was shot, the closer it kept getting to the books.

Your welcome tg, pelagia, and wood. We'll all have to be better Net surfers, now that Achila has a job. (Why did you go and get a job, Achila? What's more important, EW or paying the rent? :haha: )
And, how's the new job going, Achila--or have you had time to find that out, yet?

I have been wondering, too, how the transition from the real to the surreal will be explained. Maybe it won't be, leaving the audience to decide.
I don't know that I really want it to be explained--I just want to see it :p .

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ETA: (ceefour, we have to stop meeting like this--and I have to get to work :p ) An interesting speculation. As you said, there's really no way to know. I do remember that Sean A. was disappointed that he wasn't able to re-do the scene of Sam and Frodo splitting up after he felt he knew the character better, but I don't recall him saying what he would have done differently. Making Frodo so much younger than he is in the book had to have been a very early decision, and IMHO it's what makes the biggest difference between the book and movie versions of Frodo, at least.

I also think the movies being shot so completely out of order makes it more difficult to speculate on what would have happened if more time had been taken.

I don't know that I really want it to be explained--I just want to see it. :p

Well, of course. :lol: That goes without saying!

C4

Your welcome tg, pelagia, and wood. We'll all have to be better Net surfers, now that Achila has a job. (Why did you go and get a job, Achila? What's more important, EW or paying the rent? :haha: ) Doll, I think you already KNOW the answer to THAT!!!

Thanks for asking, tg -- so far, not bad. My time is split between two offices, one of which is a 2 hr drive to get to (luckily, it's only 2 days a week that I have to do that). Also, I don't have a computer yet (I'm glomming on someone else's machine even as we speak) -- Dell is first shipping it tomorrow, so I should have it next week (I hope).

It would be fun to go to London for the whatsitcalled... :rolleyes: Green Street première, especially if there is a Faculty meet-up happening. So if anyone else is interested, please let me know. It seems there are less chances for us here in Europe to meet than for American Faculty members to get together so I think it'd be great to grab this chance!

Secondly, how about an IRL transatlantic staff meeting in the Faculty Lounge? Perhaps to formalize some translations of terminology such as how to say the sternomascl sternomacleidostarclopxx sternomastoidldlgghh... yeah, that thing... in French, Russian, Swedish, German etc ;)

Oh. Eandme!!!!your teaser!!! :D

I so whant to go to London!!!!!

But i so whant to go to Germany too!!!

And i choose Germany!!!!

becuse if i whent to london and saw that gourges man i flesh
i proberbly make a TOTAL FOOL out of my self!!!! :cool: :D :p

So i stay in safer ground!!! :lol: :lol:

I hope it safe with you girls!!!!! (Whiteling,Serena and Skater girl )!!!! ;)

And the reson i go to germany is that i loooooooove to met you three
girls!!!!

Rumberling????i think so but i think you all get my point!!!

(and hubby and my bank won`t let me go abrode again alone without him so soon again!!!!)

edit: my highest wish is that we hade a real faculty meting all of us here in europe and all from us,asia and russia!!!speaking of that !!were is Rikka???? and were is grumpy and moondancer???
And Ylla i mis you all!!!!!!

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

Achila said: Also, I don't have a computer yet (I'm glomming on someone else's machine even as we speak)

My, you're brave! *delete cookies*

I'm trying to decide whether to tape VH1's 100 Greatest Kid Stars (http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/the_greatest/92323/episode_movies.jhtml) It has high potential for being annoying, especially since they've only got Elijah ranked as number 4! Hmmph! Doesn't playing the most famous hobbit in history rate for a bit more than No. 4?

TG said: Jumping off from Pelagia's mention of "peevish" movie-Frodo -- I've been writing some essays lately where I've noticed that "movie-Frodo" and "Frolijah" mean two completely different things to me: movie-Frodo is the way the part is written, while Frolijah is the way the character is acted onscreen, and the two aren't always the same. IMVHO, there are times when Frolijah redeems movie-Frodo, when I think Elijah's take on the character is closer to the real thing than the writers' conception is (the crossroads, the Grey Havens--I'd add sending Sam home, but that's so made out of whole cloth that it's hard to judge).

I'm very intrigued! Can't wait to read these essays!

Thank you for all the Casey Connor - Action Hero pages! Casey reminds me a bit of Matt; the little guy who can be taken advantage of, until he learns his own strength.

My, you're brave! *delete cookies*

I'm trying to decide whether to tape VH1's 100 Greatest Kid Stars (http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/the_greatest/92323/episode_movies.jhtml) It has high potential for being annoying, especially since they've only got Elijah ranked as number 4! Hmmph! Doesn't playing the most famous hobbit in history rate for a bit more than No. 4? Number four? I was led to believe that he was going to be in the second hour, which would place him between 80 and 61. So wrong.

Number four? I was led to believe that he was going to be in the second hour, which would place him between 80 and 61. So wrong.

I don't know, Bunnie, I'm a little confused too. Apparently Elijah is in the second hour, but they've got him listed at No. 4. Maybe the first hour is a kind of overview? :confused:

I don't know, Bunnie, I'm a little confused too. Apparently Elijah is in the second hour, but they've got him listed at No. 4. Maybe the first hour is a kind of overview? :confused:The list I just saw had him at 75.

The list I just saw had him at 75.

Yer kidding! :mad: :( :rolleyes: Your not kidding, are you? #75? :eek: OK. Maybe I won't bother to program TiVO. What do those VH1 people know about anything, anyway!

Yer kidding! :mad: :( :rolleyes: Your not kidding, are you? #75? :eek: OK. Maybe I won't bother to program TiVO. What do those VH1 people know about anything, anyway!Darlin, would *I* kid about something like that???? Hmph

Achila wrote:
The list I just saw had him at 75.
The VH1 website has them grouped into quintiles, but not numbered. It looked to me as if he was #76 (just based on counting items, which admittedly isn't very scientific). What's wrong with these people?? Of course, as with all of these “greatest” lists, one has to wonder what criteria they’re using. Especially when the likes of the Olsen twins are ranked higher than Elijah is.

BTW, I was watching a rerun of CSI this evening, and the pathologist used the sterno-word!! (The corpse had been stabbed in it.)

Saile, I loved your Brad Pitt bit. Very nice. :p

Achila, congrats on the job! *joins you in drudgery of Day Job land...* :p

Well, all I can say is, #75 out of a hundred and forty thousand (probably more) ain't bad! I assume we're doing all of history here. And the kid's still young. He's got staying power. I just want him to keep on keeping on. Cheers!

Of course, as with all of these “greatest” lists, one has to wonder what criteria they’re using. Especially when the likes of the Olsen twins are ranked higher than Elijah is.


If it wasn't a list voted for by viewers, it probably goes on money made. If it was a viewer vote, perhaps many VH1 viewers don't remember him as kid actor, because he wasn't forced on the public. I know who the Olsen twins are via all the marketing around them, even though I've never seen them. I'd never heard of Elijah till LOTR.

In the absence of any other Elijah news: I was just looking at the Hooligans message board at IMDB. The people there were having some fun last month, coming up with taglines for the movie. Somebody started doing spoofs of lines from other movies, including the following: The Hooligans will be with you...always.

There's no crying in Hooligans!

I coulda been a Hooligan. I coulda been somebody.

Hooligans! Why did it have to be Hooligans!

Damn it Jim, I am a doctor not a hooligan! And my own favorite:
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack Hooligans off the shoulder of Orion . . . They also did Hooligans-related parodies of TV commercials, including: Lost scholarship to Harvard: $170,000
Round-trip plane tickets to England: $700
Dual Wattage converter for notebook computer: $45
Finding a place in the world that will have your back and let you have theirs: Priceless And (names deleted because of possible spoilers):
Dave: X is in the hospital, Y has betrayed you, our pub has been fire bombed, and that American guy, Matt, has been writing about us and lying; but I have good news!

Pete: Tommy Hatcher isn't going to bother us anymore?

Dave: No, I just saved several quid switching to Geico.

Amazing! From VH1's 100 Greatest Kid Actors list:

No. 1 -- Gary Coleman (Different Strokes)
No. 2 -- Macaulay Culkin (Home Alone)
No. 3 -- Mary Kate & Ashely Olsen (Full House)

and way down at No. 75 is our lad, Elijah Wood!

I guess if you consider arrests for drug posession, rehab, and anorexia to be criteria for "greatest kid actor" then we should be proud that Elwood is leading in the bottom 25%!

Macaulay Culkin? MACAULAY CULKIN??

[need "smilie" for gagging/choking noises]

In keeping with the desultory theme of the last page or so (as in "A Simple Desultory Philippic"--being a Simon and Garfunkel fan can be educational ;) ), I just ran across the following paragraph in a review of LotR/FotR. After a paragraph about how perfect all of the casting is--

Wood and Mortensen especially--given the arcs of their characters over the trilogy, and if they keep on as they have begun--may be working on two of the greatest performances ever put on film. Elijah Wood was a gifted child actor only a few years ago, but he hasn’t outgrown his talent. In fact, he has a real star quality here that he’s only suggested before; with all the magic and special effects (and all the first-rate actors crowding the set around him), The Fellowship of the Ring is still a movie about him--the reluctant hero chosen for a task he cannot shirk.

The entire review is positive and is at: http://www.newsreview.com/issues/sacto/2001-12-20/film.asp -- Some nice reading to counteract the Olsen twins. Can you imagine them being credited with "two of the greatest performances ever put on film"? :haha:

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Found the above on a google search--which tells you it's been a boring day at work. Was kind of excited to find my homepage at #24 (out of "about" 63,300 pages) in a search for "Frodo Lives," with a couple of quotes pulled from the essay at the bottom of the page. But if I try to get less specific, no luck (I found the above review a number of pages into a search of "Elijah Wood reviews").

tg, thanks for the link to that review. The critic’s praise for Elijah is especially notable in view of the paragraph that precedes it: The casting, all the way down the line, is inspired. True, some of the roles were no-brainers: Ian McKellen as the wizard Gandalf, Ian Holm as Frodo’s uncle Bilbo, John Rhys-Davies as the dwarf Gimli. But who would ever have thought of Elijah Wood as Frodo, Sean Astin as Sam or Viggo Mortensen as the ranger Aragorn? And from the same review, I liked this comment: Jackson and his co-writers Frances Walsh and Philippa Boyens get things exactly right. They understand the principle expounded by David O. Selznick years ago: it’s not possible to film an entire book, but it is possible -- indeed, it’s essential -- to give the impression of having done so. (BTW, like honeyelf, I’m looking forward to your essays about “movie-Frodo” vs. “Frolijah”!)

(Added around 10 pm)

Most succinct comment I’ve seen about the VH1 “100 Greatest Kid Stars” (on a popular message board): Worst. List. Ever. BTW, has anyone read about NASA’s “Deep Impact” spacecraft that is supposed to intercept comet Tempel 1 in early July? (Just a scientific mission -- not saving the world from anything.) Does anyone know whether “deep impact” is a generally used term for something like this, or did they borrow the movie title? I think they should have put Leo’s picture on the spacecraft. After all, Elijah’s face has already been on an airplane. :haha:

Good evening! I am sorry for the birthdays I missed while gone on vacation. We had a wonderful time despite the unusual 5-day straight all-day-long Florida rain showers. And, yes, we did see dolphins up close out in Naples Bay. So, Happy Belated Birthdays! to the ones missed and since I saw over at the Harem that it is your birthday today...

Happy Birthday Wood!

Sandy and Flipper decided to have an ocean pool party for you. Care to join them for a swim? ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/Shelbyshire/flippercap78.jpg

First of all..HAPPY BIRTHDAY, WOOD!!

Second of all. Maybe that list is put together depending on how well known they were or how much money they made as child stars. No matter how well Elijah does now, I think he wasn't very well known when he was young. And I think that's why he's so down on the list. Look at Macauly or the Olsen twins, they were so well known as kids you wouldn't believe it, but not Lij...Or...Am I making any sense here?

Happy Birthday, dear Wood! :k :k :k

Is Sweden hot in June? Or is it just you? :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/ringagain.jpg

Bohemian said: Maybe that list is put together depending on how well known they were or how much money they made as child stars. No matter how well Elijah does now, I think he wasn't very well known when he was young. And I think that's why he's so down on the list. Look at Macauly or the Olsen twins, they were so well known as kids you wouldn't believe it, but not Lij...Or...Am I making any sense here?

You're making lots of sense! I think it must be something very like that. Doesn't mean I can't feel just a little bit incensed for darling Elwood, though! : :mad:

honey!

Happy Birthday, Wood! :k
Have a wonderful day!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/birthday_frodo.jpg


You must apologise, but it's a Frodo *again* :p! (You'll let me know when I bore you all to death, will you?)
Since I'm looking forward to a really long expected party (:cool: ) I thought a Party Frodo quite suitable. Isn't it simply heartwrenching how young and unspoiled he is still looking here! (And yet, beloved Uncle Bilbo is just about to show some odd behaviour on his 111. birthday speech...)

Wood, I couldn't be considerate of your possibly jealous hubby - this is the Faculty, for heavens sake! It IS all about Elijah Wood! Whom should I draw if not him?! HUH? :D

Shelbyshire, that Flipper picture is very nice. What a beautiful blue (plus a gorgeous dolphin plus a gorgeous actor)! :)


Are you feeling better, Narya?! Here's hoping for a swift recovery!

Happy Birthday, Wood. Hope you enjoy your day.

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Bohemian said: Maybe that list is put together depending on how well known they were or how much money they made as child stars. No matter how well Elijah does now, I think he wasn't very well known when he was young. And I think that's why he's so down on the list. Look at Macauly or the Olsen twins, they were so well known as kids you wouldn't believe it, but not Lij...Or...Am I making any sense here?



You're making lots of sense! I think it must be something very like that. Doesn't mean I can't feel just a little bit incensed for darling Elwood, though!
The list was of the 100 Greatest Kid Stars. It does what it says on the tin. If it had been a list of the greatest child actors, well, that would have been different. As someone who did not enter a cinema between seeing The Sting back in 1970 something and The Ice Storm in 1998 , the words "child star" would bring to mind a) McCauley Culkin and b) Shirley Temple :rolleyes: . I don't think Elijah himself would mind in the slightest - is it someone on this board (sorry, can't remember who) who has this quote in their footer; "I'm not a star - stars are just great balls of gas".

Whiteling, what a beautiful picture of Frodo. Did you draw it?

Thank you all Honey elf,Shelbyshire, Whiteling, Brummie,Bohemian !!

for your birthday`s greatings!!!

HONEY ELF, THE MAN ON THE YOUR PICTURE IS HOT!!!!!!! I am not hot,
just inside when i look at him!!! :p :D :cool:

But the weather here in June is not hot!Warm and rain all together!!!

Whiteling,What a beautiful drawing!!!!!!! Thank you so much!!!!

Hubby don`t visit this place !!!!! and you right this is all about Elijah!!!

Shelbyshire,i love to join them!! I woulden`t think twice about that!!!


LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/Wood.jpg

I hope you're having a wonderful day, dear. :k

And from You-Know-Who! (http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/Wood.gif)

Wood, there'll be a little something else in your e-mails later. ;)

Whiteling - Beautiful Party Frodo! :)

...it's a Frodo *again* ! (You'll let me know when I bore you all to death, will you?)

One can never have too much of Frodo, Whiteling. :)

Are the gifs distorting for anyone else when you open the links? To me the last few have appeared 'wavy' when I open them on the thread. :confused: If you right-click and save they should play OK.

Happy Birthday Wood!

Getting tangled in you!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/Maewen/elijahwood13.jpg

Sigh...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/Maewen/cap2423alt.jpg

Whiteling! Your drawing of Frodo is exquisite! (Bored of Frodo drawings???!!! - not likely!)

(I'm afraid I haven't done any more of my drawing for a while. That pesky RL keeps getting in the way. I hope to get back to it soon.)


Kumari

Happy Birthday, Wood!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/12488_orig.jpg

Oh, I *LOVE* birthdays :D - all those pretty, yummy pics... mmmmh (Bunnie, I've never seen yours. I suppose it's a rather new one?).

Blossom, your gif(t) is wonderful. :) I can watch it without problems.

And thank you, guys for your kind comments. (Yes, Brummie, the drawing of my own making) So, no Frodo fatigue in sight. Good! :)

(I'm afraid I haven't done any more of my drawing for a while. That pesky RL keeps getting in the way. I hope to get back to it soon.)

Ah yes, RL... umpf. I hope it calms down for you soon so that you can give yourself over to draw a new Frodo (or Elijah?) portrait! (One of the most fulfilling pastime, wouldn't you agree?;))

Ah yes, RL... umpf. I hope it calms down for you soon so that you can give yourself over to draw a new Frodo (or Elijah?) portrait! (One of the most fulfilling pastime, wouldn't you agree?;))

Thank you.

As for it being a fulfilling pastime - most definitely! Looking at that face in minute detail is certainly no hardship! ;) :D


Kumari

Wood! I put another birthday present in The Harem, since it is a Frodo present. But HERE is one for posting in The Faculty:



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/mechtild/Elijahforwoodsb-day.jpg



Happy Birthday! :k


Oh, and wood -- I almost forgot! Here's your favourite guy coming back again, straight from Shelbyshire's pool party. He says he's got something really special for you, for your birthday! He won't show it to me, but he says you are going to just love it....


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/mechtild/ElijahTropicalSIG.jpg



Blossom, I adored your GIF! Swoons and sniffles. Thanks so much for making and posting it. :k I wish Faculty-ites had birthdays everyday, so that you would feel compelled to do even more of them, generous person that you are. :p

Whiteling, your latest drawing is done from one of my favourite Frodo screencaps of all. Oh, so lovely! Thank you! :)


~ Mechtild

Happy Birthday, Wood!

Better get over there. I think Lij wants to show you something. He is, after all, such an exhibitor: :p

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/mariole/gamerEwood.jpg


Pelagia, I LOVED the Hooligans humor list! :D

The list was of the 100 Greatest Kid Stars. It does what it says on the tin.
Yes, it seems so. I'm terribly media ignorant, but shows do sell ads based on popularity. So it's kind of like a People list for kids-- and we know how accurate those People lists are! *joins Pelagia in making choking noises*

I think they should have put Leo’s picture on the spacecraft. After all, Elijah’s face has already been on an airplane.
Oh, now, this would have been unbelievably cool.

One can never have too much of Frodo, Whiteling.
Hear, hear! Gorgeous drawing, Whiteling. Like Kumari, I'm never bored of Frodo drawings. They only keep getting better. :)

I'm with Mechtild, Blossom. I found the gif very moving-- comparing Frodo's last day with Elijah's. Argh, I got teary! No viewing problems for me! :)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY WOOD!!

Hope you're having a lovely day. Hope this makes it even lovelier :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/ShirelingUK/nzint.jpg


BLOSSOM ~ your gif for Wood from the ROTK dvd appendices is wonderful - and it reminded me that at ORC Elijah mentioned he hadn't yet seen the dvd extras and he was asking if the 'goodbye' scenes were sad. I'd love to know if he's seen them yet - and how he reacted to seeing all the drama surrounding his very last scene again. I'm sure he must have shed a tear or two, its so moving.

Found this lovely pic on someone's LJ the other day - its from the Star Wars thingy - Lij looks like he's on Cloud 9, bless him :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/ShirelingUK/starwarsprem-Lucas_rosenbaum_wood.jpg

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR WOOD !!!!!!

Hope I'm not too late.
Sooo looking forward to seeing you! :) :)

Can't even begin to match Whiteling's latest beautiful Frodo portrait, and I'm sure you've seen this before, but since we're on the subject of birthdays, here's Lij through the ages:

http://webplaza.pt.lu/barbara/ans-lij.jpg

:k

EDIT: Just seen Blossom's amazing gif. That first little sequence of Elijah heading for his very last Frodo scene is probably my all-time favourite "extras" snippet. It makes me cry every time. Thank you!! :k

Just a quick stop in to say

Happy Birthday Dear Wood

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/billiep/resize2.jpg


Yes -YOU says Elijah.


And whiteling your drawing is beautiful, and Frodo is ALWAYS APPROPRIATE.

cheers!
saile :D :D

Who is the guy in the white coat (actually looks like a robe or something) with George and Elijah in shireling's picture? I've seen other pics from the ranch but I cannot place who he is. Just curious.

I love the birthdays here too! Actually, any special occasion will do!! Such beautiful pics!!! :k Okay, I'll add another from the young years since the discussion has been child actors.

The light of the candles from Wood's birthday cake fills the room.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/Shelbyshire/HuckFinn.jpg

Who is the guy in the white coat (actually looks like a robe or something) with George and Elijah in shireling's picture? I've seen other pics from the ranch but I cannot place who he is. Just curious.

That's Michael Rosenbaum, from TV's Smallville, among other things. Apparently, he was wearing a robe he got from the nearby Skywalker Lodge (or Inn, or something), and Elijah asked him where he got it. Methinks the lad was coveting it!

Who was it asked about the pic I posted for Wood? Whiteling? That is a photo that was taken by a TORn staffer at last year's TORn Oscar Party. I adore his expression!

Happy Birthday, Wood

A certain someone is happy you came to the party. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/carrolb/party2.jpg

Happy Birthday, Wood!
(Well, it's still your birthday here, anyway. ;) )

Frodo might not look too happy here, but he's certainly determined--to see that you have a great year ahead!

http://www.frodolivesin.us/Pics/1081b4e0.jpg

(And, no, I didn't touch up his eyes--the program left them blue even when it turned everything else brown :cool: )

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For Brummie, and any other newer Faculty members who might have been asking if Whiteling actually drew that picture--here's her "Frolijah collection" in their full-size beauty: Art from Whiteling (http://www.frodolivesin.us/contributions/id2.htm)

And hers are originals -- not just from putzing around with Paint Shop like mine are :) .

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I ran across this pic again yesterday, and got the reminder of just how great a child actor Lij was (as opposed to child star :rolleyes: ). Am I imagining it, or is there some jaw-setting going on here?

http://www.frodolivesin.us/Pics/109ce880.jpg

As with a more recently underrated role *ahem* -- IMHO the reviewers who said Elijah's Huck was a "lovable rascal" (or words to that effect) missed about 90% of the character. This is a gut-wrenching scene in the book, and I think Elijah kept it that in the movie, even though movie-Huck is five years or so younger than book-Huck.

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Due to overwhelming public demand (at least two people :eek: ), I've published the part of the site that has one of the essays involving movie-Frodo/Frolijah, even though some things on it aren't updated for June: Confrontation (http://www.frodolivesin.us/id297.htm)

--Actually, with some of the "regular monthly features," June may end up being a lost month this year, without new Froshadowings, Tolkien quotes, etc., until July.

Another scene involving the movie-Frodo/Frolijah difference has been posted for awhile: "Just a Feeling" (http://www.frodolivesin.us/RotK/id42.htm), where the screenwriters' comments on the DVD are quite a bit different from Elijah's, and I think Elijah's are closer to the real Frodo.

I didn't really think too much about it when I mentioned the difference between the two on-screen Frodos, because I didn't think it was a new idea. Maybe using the two names for them is new--and I'm not sure I've actually used them in the essays. There are a couple more unfinished essays in the pipeline that talk about it, but I don't think I'll get those done this month.

Happy birthday, wood! I hope it was a good one. (As I'm writing this, it’s already the day after, in Sweden.) Here’s Jones, for a belated celebration:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/AIW72.jpg

whiteling: Nothing boring about that Frodo! Or any of your other beauties.

tg: Thanks for the essay links. That will be my Sunday reading.

Happy Birthday, wood! :D

It is still your birthday here in the US, so let's keep celebrating! (Just like OB and BB celebrated BB's birthday all the way from England to NZ.)

Pelagia, I've been wandering all around and cannot find a definition for 'deep impact' in any on-line astronomy dictionaries or sites. This project was announced in 1998, the year Deep Impact was released. It wouldn't be the first time NASA named a spacecraft after something in popular culture.

whitling, an exquisite drawing.

C4 waves to all The Faculty!

I stumbled into a brief account from someone who saw an advance screening of Everything Is Illuminated>! I though you folks might be interested in this (one, obviously unenlightened) person's impression:

As for the "Everything is Illuminated" screening, my reaction is complicated. I went in expecting a terrible, terrible movie I would hate, but came out having seen one I respected quite a bit and saw as a nice effort. Obviously it's not NEARLY as complex and beautiful and powerful as the book as they cut out the two side-narratives and limited it just to the trip to Ukraine. Elijah Wood was ony "eh" in it, but the guy who played Alex was WONDERFUL. So, Liev Schrieber did about as good a job as anyone could do adapting such a difficult-to-adapt book, but I still have doubts as to whether it should have been attempted or not.


*sigh* So, first review is in (and I don't know if it was a finished cut or not), and Elijah's first mediocre review. I'm simply not listening. *stuffs fingers in ears and squeezes eyes shut*

For heaven's sake, tg!!!

Show some pity on a poor old Frodo swooner!

I just checked out your "Just A Feeling" sequences.

I know we are supposed to be studying EW's acting, but I have to confess ... um, well, um ... I wasn't doing that. Studying his acting, I mean. Not really. And Series #4? It's destined to become the inspiration (or illustrations) for a gazillion new S/F fanfics. :cool:

Great work, tg, with fabulous picture quality and comments.

If you can find it in your heart, forgive me for finding your screencaps massively swoony. The scene, when it's rolling, actually didn't touch me very much; I was ambivalent - I was happy to see the Crossroads scene (in SOME form), yet not that pleased with the way they wrote it. But your screencaps from it? They are pure bliss for the Frodo fan. As screencaps, my imagination can make the series into PURE CANON!!!!! Squee!

Very gratefully (even if I don't deserve it),

~ Mechtild :k

P.S. Narya, I loved that image you posted from the Party Scene of Frodo looking up, awe-struck. Was that actually in FotR, theatrical or EE? I'm pretty sure I've never seen that particular cap, even if it's from the film. But, in a cap, Frodo's expression is just riveting.

P.P.S. to Faculty-ites who lurk but rarely post in the Frodo thread: I just registered for an LJ, worried about the Frodo/Tolkien-centered threads here and elsewhere petering out. (The EW thread here appear to be going strong, though! :) ) I don't know who among you lurks but does not post in The Harem, so I am just letting you know. I just didn't want to lose touch with people, if posters drifted off.

If you are interested in keeping in touch, let me know through a PM. :z:

*sigh* So, first review is in (and I don't know if it was a finished cut or not), and Elijah's first mediocre review. I'm simply not listening. *stuffs fingers in ears and squeezes eyes shut*

Joins Bunnie in assuming The Position. :haha:

Bunnie, that sounds like a review from someone who was primarily a fan of the book and had certain expections for the film that didn't match what was filmed. The book is what could almost be described as unfilmable as it is originally written so this person was just bound to get let down by ANY attempt to put it on the screen.

Alex' character is the least complex and most extroverted and easily 'read' by an audience.Jonathan's is much deeper and very complicated and much of the story takes place in his mind. I'm sure Elijah pulls this off beautifully because he did so brilliantly with the huge job of playing Frodo where so much emotion was internalized. Elijah captured the essence of Frodo better than anyone else could possibly have done. He's going to do this as Jonathan just as brilliantly if not more so. I've read the book and just from the stills that have come out so far I can see that Elijah IS Jonathan.

Jonathan is a subtle character that not every audience member is going to 'get' because he cannot be understood on a shallow level. Everything is going on inside him and little is vocalized. As Liev said and I loosely repeat 'there's not another actor around today with the face and eyes to play this as well as Elijah can.'

Elijah will once again prove to be 'the thinking woman's actor' in EiI. He will always probably fly right over a shallow audience's head and be appreciated mainly by true film connossieurs.

[SIZE=6]Show some pity on a poor old Frodo swooner!

I just checked out your "Just A Feeling" sequences.
Hmmm... Okay... :confused: Out of all the screencaps I've done, that's not a scene I would have picked out as particularly swoon-inducing. But, glad you like them :D .

...I was happy to see the Crossroads scene (in SOME form), yet not that pleased with the way they wrote it. But your screencaps from it? They are pure bliss for the Frodo fan. As screencaps, my imagination can make the series into PURE CANON!!!!!
Aha! IMVHO, that's the Frolijah vs. movie-Frodo idea in action. Elijah took the scene the way it was written, but interpreted it differently than the screenwriters did--and, IMVVHO, he got closer to the real Frodo than they did.

Was that actually in FotR, theatrical or EE? I'm pretty sure I've never seen that particular cap, even if it's from the film. But, in a cap, Frodo's expression is just riveting.
If I can step in for Narya -- ;) -- It's in the theatrical edition of FotR, but maybe not as dramatic a moment as it seems. It's Frodo's reaction when Sam says he thinks he'll "just have another ale." You can see it in context here (http://www.frodolivesin.us/FotR/id3.htm), as cap #7. (This is from early on in my screencapping days, when I didn't have a very good DVD program, so the caps aren't as good as they could be--and certainly not as good as the one Narya posted! :) )

If you are interested in keeping in touch, let me know through a PM. :z:
I'm confused... :confused: Does this mean you're leaving? :eek: :(

I get disappointed, too, in the lack of "action" in the Green Dragon. I've pulled up Hobmom's Frodo thread there occasionally (especially when a book-Frodo-related discussion starts getting off-topic here), but it usually doesn't stay active for long. And just for myself personally, although I've dearly loved Frodo for 35 years, the Harem just doesn't work for me.

I think KD being a relatively small site has something to do with the lack of Tolkien discussion--especially as a small site with a broad focus. With Rivendell and the Asylum being as active as they are, it's really not a Tolkien-focused site (not that there's anything wrong with that--as an ignorant American, I'm glad to be able to read, say, what Europeans think of European politics).

After I get moved, I'm thinking about taking down the one thread message board (a.k.a. the guest book ;) ) at frodolivesin.us and putting up a small forum--especially since there have started to be some security issues on the web with people hacking into the kind of guest book I have there. There've been some non-KDers who've posted there in the past, but not for a few months (I don't know if the security issues have been behind that or not), so if I put up a more secure forum the activity might pick up again. I'd want to keep it fairly focused, as far as not getting into politics, etc., etc. Even if it wasn't very active, it'd still be available if people wanted it.

----I've just added a new section to the site with my latest Paint Shop adventure :rolleyes: : webpage backgrounds. It's not totally linked with the rest of the site, yet, but the subdomain is http:www.frodolivesin.us/graphics . My main purpose for working with Paint Shop is to try to get moving again with a site that a co-worker and I have been thinking about starting for a couple of years, and I've been coming up with graphics for that, too, but it's just so much fun to work with the screencaps :) .

I just realized that I passed the 500 posts mark! :cool: *breaks out the champagne*

Hobmom, those are good thoughts on EII. I am encouraged by the fact that the person expected the film to be terrible and expected to hate it, but ended up being impressed instead. I love to hear that!

And I agree that those of us who "get" Elijah's style will be more than pleased with his performance. I have never really doubted that part. :)

Phew -- glad you're all back -- that message this morning was ominous!!! :k

Well, that was no fun at all! I hate it when message boards go down - for those of you who went through the loss of Imladris, you'll know how hard it can be to not know what's happening and when (or if) it's ever going to come back up. (Imladris was the original message board that many of us met at - and it went down permanently without warning, leaving us trying to find each other in the ether of cyberspace.)

This just reminded me, though, that it's a good idea for any group of people on a message board to have an alternative way to contact each other, should their primary message board be off-line for any period of time. I'd be happy to collect e-mail addresses, or if someone else wants to do it, that would be fine. Then if there ever is a period of time where KD is down, people could be contacted with an alternate way to stay in touch. (You could PM or email me your contact info - my email is carrolbaggins475@hotmail.com)

Mechtild, I'm glad you like that picture. As tg said, it's from the party scene. The miracle of screencapping is that you can find these tiny moments that are just 'perfect', even out of context. I love how his eyes sparkle in that particular frame. :)

My reactions to the “This Account Has Been Suspended” message (which I encountered at 8 this morning):

Initial reaction –

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/Nooooo.jpg

Followup reaction -- What did I do wrong??

So glad that things are back to normal!

BunnieBugs wrote, quoting a review of EII: Obviously it's not NEARLY as complex and beautiful and powerful as the book Where have we heard THIS before?? ;) As for Elijah being “ony [sic] eh,” that’s the reaction that a number of people here have predicted, since he is once again playing the more interior, less flamboyant role. In a way, he’s almost TOO good at roles like that! Which is another reason to hope that Hooligans gets a US release, since Matt – though he starts out pretty “interior” – comes out of his shell.

HI EVERYONE!!!!!!

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE LOVELY BIRTHDAY GIFTS!!!!!!!!! :k :k

I DON`T KNOW HOW TO THANK YOU ALL!!!!!!

THERE ARE SO MANY BEAUTIFUL PICTURES!!AND I THINK IT IT WAS
BUNNIE WHO POSTED A PICTURE I HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!!!!

BLOSSOM THANK YOU FOR THE GIFT!!!!!!! :k :k

IT WORKED JUST FINE FOR ME!!!! THOSE LAST MOMENTS WITH ELIJAH AS FRODO GIVES ME TEARS IN MY EYES EVERY TIME!!!!!!!

MMMMM,MECHTILD YOU ARE JUST SO FUNNY!!!!!! :lol:

I PUT MY PHOTO THERE AND YOU NEVER SEE US AGAIN!!!! :lol:

JUST A LITTLE DREAM OF MINE!! :D

MMMM JUST THINKING OF WHAT IT IS HE WANTS TO SHOW ME!!!??
(and when i find out i won`t tell becuse i think you all will blush like never before!!!SORRY WRONG THREAD!!!

Well to tell the truth i have highjacked my sister-in -laws computer!!

my phone line is dead and so is the net!!!! :( :confused: they diggof a kabel saturday afternoon and they haven`t fixed it yet :confused: :confused: !!!!

So if i have mised something i am sorry !!hope they have fixed it untill tomorrow!!so i can read all you posts more carefuly!!!!

Serena,Whiteling,Skater girl!!! just five daye`s to go!!!!!get ready for party time!!!!!!


LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

I just realized that I passed the 500 posts mark! :cool: *breaks out the champagne*

Here y'go -- Congratulations! :cool:

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/off topic/champagne-resized.jpg

Hobmom, those are good thoughts on EII. I am encouraged by the fact that the person expected the film to be terrible and expected to hate it, but ended up being impressed instead. I love to hear that!

And I agree that those of us who "get" Elijah's style will be more than pleased with his performance. I have never really doubted that part. :)
Ditto to all. :)

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Also very glad that the board is back up--another reminder to me that I need to go in and salvage some email addresses from my old computer. My URL's probably easier to remember than my email address--and there's an "Email site owner" button on the menu on the home page.

ETA: How did two entire posts get in there while I writing this short (relatively, for me :o ) one?

What did I miss? Did KD go down? :eek: NOOOOO!! It's one of the few bastions of intelligent Elijah posting left anywhere. Or just plain intelligent posting of any kind. One visit to, for example, the teen-based forum at A&F will show you how witty and wise and well-behaved everyone is here at good old KD. :k I'm glad it's back up! :)

TG, I'll sign up at your message board when you get it put up. It will be good to have a backup as well as another 'smart' spot online. ;)

Bunnie, where did you find that early review of EiI? Are there any others posted there? That person so obviously does not 'get' Elijah or Jonathan. Nor do they seem to realize that it was the New Yorker article that Jonathan wrote before the book of EiI that was used as the basis for the script, so naturallly the movie does not have everything that the book has. Shame on whoever that was. :haha:

I was looking at the IMDB EiI thread and many of them are grumbling about how most of the Trachimbrod scenes are left out of the movie. EiI book-lovers are having trouble letting go of that part of the story and don't seem to have realized that the story can be told well minus those sections. It will be very interesting to see how audiences that have not read the book or that do not have preconcieved ideas about how it 'should' be filmed will react to the movie and to Elijah. I think they will love it. I fully plan to. ;)

Hobmom wrote: I was looking at the IMDB EiI thread and many of them are grumbling about how most of the Trachimbrod scenes are left out of the movie. Trachimbrod = Tom Bombadil, in the universe of fan-purist discontent??

Trachimbrod = Tom Bombadil, in the universe of fan-purist discontent?? :D

Pretty much! I see a lot of parrallels between the fans of EiI and the way we all were reacting to threatened plot changes in LOTR. Yet Elijah shined in LOTR in spite of any plot finagling by PJ,Fran and Phillipa. He'll do just as well in EiI, I'm sure.

The purists will just have to put up with whatever is left out just like we had to put up with far too much Arwen, no Tom B., no scouring of the Shire, etc. in LOTR. ;)

Ah, thank you, Narya, for offering to collect email addresses. I will send one along. That is lovely of you. :k

I'm confused... Does this mean you're leaving?
tg, I didn't mean I was leaving. I was only trying to act on my observation that others are and have. I just wanted to secure a place where I could find them and be found again. That was all I meant. :)

And just for myself personally, although I've dearly loved Frodo for 35 years, the Harem just doesn't work for me.
You did not say why. But I have heard from others reasons why a person might not enjoy The Harem thread. "Too fluffy and silly," some said. But someone else with whom I had enjoyed great Frodo/Tolkien discussions for months confessed she simply loathed it. Yet, she lurked off and on, in order to be there when serious discussion would crop up amid the flying undergarments. I love the place, but that's me. :rolleyes: :D

You probably would have loved a thread like TORc's "Frodo's Kitchen" in its hey-day. I did. It was exceptional for Frodo discussions that could go into great depth. I got in there (as usual) at the tail end of its life. It was in TORc's Books Forum, but really it was a mongrel beast, discussing both book and film together. As in this thread, in order to try and keep the level of discussion serious, swooning was not allowed (well, not much...there were slips here and there, like in this thread ;) ). The other benefit of "no swooning," was that fans who felt ill-at-ease with, or even repelled by a swoony, sexualized atmosphere didn't feel driven away by it.

Me, I must have both in my diet: in-depth discussion and swooning. I feel a bit straight-jacketed after a while when there is no outlet for my swoony side. Yet swooning alone is not enough. I think that is true for most Haremites. Try as we will, pithy comments can't help popping up regularly amid the tangle of arms and legs.

You understood my comments about the screencaps that I found swooningly lovely, too. I appreciate that, tg. No, the Crossroads scene was not a "plus" for me in the film, since it twisted the proper (and far better) meaning of that passage in the book. Yet, those screencaps, when viewed in isolation, are extremely evocative and even beautiful. As you pointed out about the cap Narya posted from the Farewell Party, images from the films viewed out of their original context take on a life and nuance of their own -- and what that life and nuance is tends to depend on the perceptions of the beholder. Even the images from that strip you linked ("I'll just have another ale") are, each one of them, quite lovely and rich beyond what they were when seen in context, with the scene flashing by.

~ Mechtild

I went to bed last night worrying about that person's comments on EiI. Then I woke up this morning to Khazzadum being GONE! :eek: I'm so relieved that all is right with our little world here once again. But I think it may be time to send Moggy some more funds! (((Moggy))) :k

TG, Loved your "Just a Feeling" comments. I'm more convinced than ever that Frodo is thinking about Sam in that scene, and trying to communicate to Sam that he fully expects to die in the fulfillment of his quest. Thank you for pointing out that Frodo takes the lead from Sam in this scene. It seems as if Frodo is saying "This is my fate and I accept it. But you don't have to." I think he's trying one more time to tell Sam that following him will only lead to death, and that he won't blame Sam if he goes home. It really touches me that Sam follows him anyway, because that long look says to me that Sam does finally Get It, but he follows Frodo anyway. This scene almost makes the "Go home, Sam" scene work for me even!

Mech, I loved the "kitchen" too! And we did our share of role-playing stuff there from time to time, amidst the intellectual stuff. I do miss it sometimes. Guess all the "kitchen ladies" have scattered to the four winds by now.

Bunnie, congrats on 500 posts! By way of celebrating (because any excuse will do) I post a pic below. One of the afore mentioned kitchen ladies "showed" it to Kitchen-Frodo with interesting results once! As I recall, Frodo thought he could see a resemblance. But Sam didn't see it, postulating that Frodo couldn't even come up with that expression, whereupon Frodo did try. Rosie, who'd been rather taken with the picture, had to rush out of the room, rather overcome by Frodo's effort to look so ...."hot" is the only word, isn't it? :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/arena2002broody.bmp

yours in silliness,

honey!

Hi, Tg. I just loved your essay on "Confrontation." Also, the "Tolkien Virgins" one, which I just got a chance to read. You keep your site fresh and interesting. I'm so very grateful for it-- it was your site that led me to KD in the first place! All the fun and friends since are due to you, so thank you again, so very much.

Great work, tg, with fabulous picture quality and comments.
As always -- but I don't think it can be said enough times. Take a bow, dear! :k

Yet, she lurked off and on, in order to be there when serious discussion would crop up amid the flying undergarments.
I think this is the best one-line description of the Harem I've ever seen. But I think you've answered your question yourself, Mechtild, in wondering why someone wouldn't be comfortable there. *unwraps feather boa that whapped into my head as I crossed the room*

Just poping in very prefly from work!!!

To say thanks to all i mised to thank yeasterday!!!!!

you all maked my birthday very specell!!!!

i hope the net is working again to night when i get back from work!!

I haven`t ben aibel to read my e-mail read my mail since saturday evening!!! :confused: :(


LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

Ohhhh Nooooo


I'm late for Wood's Birthday Partyhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/ylla/child9.jpg





Happy Birthday Wood
:k :k :k


Boy did I have a mini panic attack when KD went down just the thought of losing my friends here was depressing. I went to work yesterday and people kept asking me what was wrong...I'm usually pretty upbeat ;)
Thanks Narya for the offer to collect e-mail addresses...if things do end here I certainly hope we will have another place to all meet up
To echo what Hobmom said...most if not all of the other fansite message boards are not my cup of tea...I need my Faculty friends :cool:

Great gif Blossom...as always!

I do believe I'm approaching my 1 year anniversary over here....and it's making me very nostalgic..I still will never forget how many of you gave me strength when I was facing hubby's heart attack and subsequent open heart surgery :k :k :k once again my deepest Thanks for all the many acts of kindness

Ylla

Ylla, Your one year anniversary is approaching! :D AND that was your eleventy-first post! :D :D

ceefour: Thanks again for looking into the question I asked about the relationship between the names of Deep Impact the movie and “Deep Impact” the current NASA mission. I finally found this in an AP article from January 13, 2005: The scientists came up with the Deep Impact name independently of the movie studio, around the same time, neither knowing the other was choosing it, even though some members of NASA's Deep Impact team were consultants on the picture. Seems like quite a coincidence, doesn’t it?

And since I’ve never posted a picture of Leo . . .

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/deep-impact-promo-003.jpg

(Mariole: LOVE the “feather boa” comment!)

"Account suspended"??!! Ghaa! :eek: Don't scare me like that.....

Good to see you all back here! I had a bit of a near death experience when KD blacked out. I suppose it was a good way to make me realise how much I enjoy coming here and how much I would miss all you funny, clever, warm, entertaining people if KD did indeed bite the dust like Imladris did.

Also let me say a belated Happy Birthday :k to Wood and enjoy your trip to Elijahland!

Hooligans was awarded "Best Feature" at LA Femme Film Festival! YAY! Hopefully a distribution deal can't be far behind!

Pelagia, how much you wanna bet that Leo's back-pack out-weighs Leo! :eek:

I just bought a Frodo wristwatch on ebay! I probably over-paid, but it's no longer being made, and I wanted it sooooooo much. Yes! I'll be happy, and not think of how much I paid!

honey!

Morning all!!!

still no phone or internet!!!

I have never been so happy over the computer at work!!!! :D

Thank you Eandme and ylla!! :k :k

Ylla ,have something arrive in your mail-box yet??? :cool:

Love you all/wood

Hi Wood! :k

I'm crossing my fingers and toes for your getting internet access ASAP!

Hi, Tg. I just loved your essay on "Confrontation." Also, the "Tolkien Virgins" one, which I just got a chance to read. You keep your site fresh and interesting. I'm so very grateful for it-- it was your site that led me to KD in the first place! All the fun and friends since are due to you, so thank you again, so very much.

Ditto to all she said! Thanks so much for that wonderful place. :k

honeyelf: Thanks for more good news about Hooligans! It seems to have been well received by all sorts of festival audiences, so you would think that it would be picked up for the “art-house” circle, anyway. Some might argue that the subject matter isn’t the sort of thing that art-houses usually carry. But my local one is planning to show Layer Cake, which is about British gangsters, so. . . . Pelagia, how much you wanna bet that Leo's back-pack out-weighs Leo! It’s nearly as big as he is, that’s for sure! Maybe that's why he looks so unhappy. And congratulations, honey, on your Frodo watch. Achila has one, too -- very nice.

wood, I hope your communications snafus soon get sorted. How frustrating!

(Added later)

tgshaw, I just read your “Confrontation” essay, which you mentioned in connection with the differences between "movie-Frodo" and "Frolijah." You wrote: And speaking of the final glimpse of Frodo on the ship, I think Elijah is closer to the truth, and definitely closer to Tolkien’s intent. I’ve given the writers a “by” on their use of “Into the West” as a parallel to death, because of it being dedicated to their friend who died so young, but it’s not Tolkien’s idea. Evidently, though, the writers didn’t tell Frolijah (or didn’t convince him) that when Frodo sails he is, in effect, dying. I was very surprised when I heard the PJ/Fran/Philippa commentary on this scene, because it had never occurred to me (while watching the movie) that they equated Frodo’s sailing with death. Tolkien makes it clear that this is not the case, and I don’t think the scene comes across at all the way that PJ & company intended – largely because of the way Elijah plays it. I went back to the cast commentary on the scene (and I have to say that though I love Billy and Dom, this is one occasion when I wish they would have just SHUT UP!), to see what Elijah said about it: For me, it was really about getting back to where Frodo was before all this had happened to him, and really showing the complete evolution of that character -- the complete release [from] the burden of that Ring -- to purity and innocence once again, and to try and convey that in a look and in a smile. And regarding his final nod, he said he was trying to convey: I’m going to be OK, and so are you, and you need to go on. It seems to me that Elijah rather cagily avoids the issue of what Frodo’s sailing means. He certainly doesn’t mention death at all. It’s not clear whether this is because he covertly disagreed with PJ’s intent, or whether he was just so focused on his “evolution” idea that the larger question was irrelevant to him. But I agree with tg that his performance is much closer to what Tolkien had in mind.

(BTW, if any Faculty members haven’t listened to the commentary, it’s worth doing so at least for this scene, just to hear the richly affectionate way in which John Rhys-Davies says, “Look at that smile!”)

Yea, Hooligans! Thanks, Honey! *crosses fingers*

I listened to all the commentaries-- every single one, back through FOTR-- when I was recovering from my neck injury. I did enjoy how so many people have so many different ideas about their characters, the story, the meaning, etc. It just goes to show how every successful film is a little bit of a miracle, with all those strong personalities and creative talents playing off one another (as opposed to subverting each other).

Specifically to Pelagia's speculation, I think Elijah is far too politic to say anything against PJ. He gives his interpretation in completely personal terms, while letting others have their say. It's a very mature trait, but I think it's part of his basic personality. He remains polite and considerate without being phony-- quite an achievement for anyone!


Best wishes, Wood!

Ylla and Eandme, it's good to see you. :k

SQUEEEEEEE

Khazaddum is back up! :k :k :k :lol: :lol: :lol:

Look who else is surprised!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/ubergeek.jpg

Patsie at LiveJournal found all those lovely new pics from the LA Film Festival! HEE HEE! He's such a lovely example of Geekiness!

honey!

Welcome back, everyone!!! **kisses Moggy**

While the site was down, Honeyelf set up a yahoo group for the Faculty, so any of you who want to stay in touch in case of further site crashes should join up there (http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/facultylounge/). I also set up a Faculty Lounge LJ as a backup (_faculty_lounge). Please feel free to join either one as a way to stay in touch. (I'm still willing to collect emails as a back-up, for anyone who didn't get theirs to me before the site went down.

The site went down because Moggy cancelled a credit card, forgetting that it was the one paying for the site. The good news is he had a great time on his holidays. :D

Ohhhh I'm so happy our home is intact

(((Moggy))))
Thanks again Honey for setting up that yahoo group...we can keep it as a back up...that's good to know.
I had just made a post over there as I saw KD was back...just drabble but I was commented on his geekiness and the need for all of us to get together and go shopping with him... I'm free tommorrow afternoon :cool: I know we can pick out some better eyewear....we'll let him keep CTJ...it is vintage isn't it? ;)

:k :k Ylla...without the 9's :rolleyes:

You don't like the glasses Ylla?

Perhaps I'm just very strange, but Geek!Lij makes my little heart beat faster! :o

:: kicks self for swooning again::

honey!

Hooray! I'm so glad KD is breathing again!

Thank you, Narya, for setting up the emergency LJ communities, and Honey, for setting up the Yahoo group. Now, I'm going to relax, as KD is really where I like to be. Welcome back, Moggy!

I have to say, I adore the fact that Elijah still has (and wears) his Crappy Tan Jacket. This shows a certain groundedness that I hope he never loses. Go, Lij!

(I feel as if I’ve just crawled back into Bag End after a long, hard slog through Mordor.)

Hurrah! So good to be back with the whole gang, plus all the elegant touches (fonts, colors, quote boxes, embedded photos, etc.) of life in the Faculty Lounge. Narya, thanks for letting us know what was going on. I’m glad to know that we weren’t “hacked.” And thanks again to honey for setting up our temporary home.

Regarding Elijah’s new glasses, ylla wrote, in the Yahoo group: ohh Lij...I realize you sometimes need to take the contacts out...but sweetie please..let us help you pick out some more attractive glasses! :lol: (I love the image of Elijah walking into the optician's with a bevy of older ladies.) Yes, the man either does not know or does not care (probably the latter) what flatters him when it comes to eyewear. I agree with Achila: why would you want to hide that face? Which is why I’d like to see him in wire-rims (other than as Kevin). But maybe this is part of a campaign to make himself look more mature, and less (I have to use the word) cute.

And now, no more squeeing! Back to purely intellectual pursuits, such as the following picture. This is, belatedly, for whiteling’s birthday, which took place while the Faculty was in exile:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/brownshirt_05.jpg

Yay! KD's back =))) I was going crazy there, sitting in front of my computer, staring at the screen that told me the account was suspended. I know I don't post much, but I come and read as much as I can. So glad it's back now. And

HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY, WHITELING!!

http://allstarz.org/~liamaiken/elwood87.bmp

:D

Hooray!!!!

I never realized how much I would miss this place until it was gone! So glad it's back...

Oh, thank you, Honey, for setting up the yahoo group! And I haven't decided whether to join the LJ community, or not... My behavior is a bit, um... different over there, to say the least. Although, I guess a good portion of you are already familiar with my naughty side, huh? :o It was so much easier when all my corners of fandom on the internet were separate! All this overlapping takes some getting used to.

And I have to say, I LOVE THE GLASSES. :cool: I was surprised by the choice, but maybe a little bit of his Jonathan character rubbed off on him?

I think he looks absolutely stunning here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/23659777.jpg

And how can you resist this face?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/v9.jpg

And especially for Whiteling's birthday, I just found this one today, from his recent trip to Malaysia. Doesn't he look relaxed and happy? :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/my-precioussss.jpg

Oh, and a quick note about Hooligans: Ain't It Cool News reported that Lexi is taking the film on a college tour, to try to gain a distribution deal. I have mixed feelings about this: at least she's not giving up, and maybe she's only trying to get the best deal possible, but it has the feel of a last act of desperation, to me. :( OTOH, maybe I'll actually get to see the darn thing on the big screen this way. :z:

:k The Faculty :k

Shakes hands with Moggy as we've never been formally introduced.

Honeyelf, could you make that picture larger?

I love everyone's different reaction to the glasses. My eye caught the images seen through the glasses. He really does need them. (Wonder if his opthamologist needs to warn the staff when EW has an appointment.)

As for the college tour, would it be better to be seen on college campuses than not at all?

It's taken me all day to get to the computer, as Young Master and Miss ceefour have finished school for the summer. :eek:

C-it's so nice to be me again-4

ETA-Many thanks to Honeyelf and Narya for keeping us together over the past few days. :D

Hurrah! We're back! Thanks to Honey, Narya and Hobmom for providing alternative accommodation while KD was down. :k

At least Whiteling is getting an extended birthday - lovely belated birthday pics.

Bohemian - I haven't seen that young Elijah picture before. Is it from 'The Good Son?'

I did manage to deliver my gif(t) to Whiteling, thanks to wood ( :) ) but I thought I would post it HERE (http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/Whiteling.gif) anyway.

Wood, Whiteling, Serena and Skater Girl I imagine the party is well under way over there in Germany by now! Enjoy! :)

Bunnie - I discovered those latest pics of Elijah at your LJ earlier today. Thanks. Personally, I like the glasses. :)

I have to say, I adore the fact that Elijah still has (and wears) his Crappy Tan Jacket. This shows a certain groundedness that I hope he never loses. Go, Lij!

Yes, Mariole. It's a very endearing quality :)

Bunnie said: And I have to say, I LOVE THE GLASSES. I was surprised by the choice, but maybe a little bit of his Jonathan character rubbed off on him?

I love the glasses too! But me daughter and I have decided that he looks like he picked them out from the "economy" section at Lenscrafters! Much more endearing than if they had a big old designer logo worked into the frames!

Ceefour said: Honeyelf, could you make that picture larger?
:haha: :k

Achila, I saw your post in the Yahoo! group. Come back here to the good old Lounge :: petting the worn wood of the table fondly:: and we'll talk about it!

Regarding the posts yesterday about this quote from "Talea" at Oscarwatch.com

I think this is Elijah's last shot at awards for the near future, though. He hasn't worked at all in the last year, and doesn't have
anything upcoming, save voice work he did last year for an animated
film. It's been rumored he's getting out of acting for the time being,
to either start a record company or go into producing. Probably not a
bad idea, actually. He needs time to grow into the character actor he's supposed to be and can't quite pull off right now because he looks too
young.

Can anyone explain to me what a "character actor" is as opposed a plain ol' actor? When I think "character actor" I think of the sort of actor who is in zillions of movies, but you don't recognize him from one to the next, and generally don't know his name. A character actor to me is never the head-liner, he's sort of the bride's maid, but not the bride if you will. Isn't Elijah a bit too distinctive looking to be a character actor? Isn't he more the name-above-the-title sort? Or am I mistaken in my notion of what makes one a character actor?

Everytime I read Ms. Talea's "rumor" I get this sinking feeling. :eek: I hope she's wrong about that!

ETA: I think that other rumor, about Hooligans hitting the college circuit, is equally depressing. At least I may get my husband to see it, if it comes to the university in our home town, but is that really the route a director would take to "build word of mouth?" Bizarre!

honey!

I was too lazy to register at yahoo and reply, but IMHO this "rumor" is sheer nonsense. And I hold that opinion not merely because the source is well known for her habit of inventing EW news via a unique perspective. ;) Basically, I suspect EW takes breaks from acting when he hasn't been offered a good script recently - said break (if there is one) will end when he runs across a script that excites him. I think he gives himself the freedom to work on projects that appeal to him - even if the appeal doesn't always show in the final product.

Granted, this theory does not explain TAMTSNBN, but maybe there was some aspect to that we don't see that intrigued him. :p

Sheryl

Hello again, all! Our temporary home at Yahoogroups was fun, but this' *the* place. Welcome home, everyone.

As for the new glasses....yes, I'm afraid they're not my favorite. NOT like I'd throw him out tho -- :lol:

And honey, I knew you'd get one of those watches eventually!

Isn't the rumor about Elijah taking a year off from acting just that: a rumor? Or was he quoted somewhere saying that? I really don't remember, but I wouldn't blame him for wanting some time off. I'll bet he's still reading scripts, though -- he'd kinda be nuts not to!

And as for it being his last chance at an Oscar for awhile, well... that's just kind of silly, IMHO. I don't really expect him to be nominated for EII (though I would love it if I were wrong), but being out of sight for a year or so isn't going to hurt him or make people forget who he is. If there is an Oscar in his future (:z: ) I think it is farther into his future than the next couple of years, and taking a brief break from the screen is not going to influence that one bit.

Honey, I think I character actor is someone who is not traditional leading man/woman material. That doesn't mean that they can't have a great career; it just means that they're Dustin Hoffman instead of Robert Redford. ;)

:) :) :)

Good evening Faculty! It's always good to be back home after an adventure!!

Thanks Honey, Narya, and Hobmom for keeping the fellowship together.

Bunnie, you wrote:

I think I character actor is someone who is not traditional leading man/woman material. That doesn't mean that they can't have a great career; it just means that they're Dustin Hoffman instead of Robert Redford.
Exactly. Dustin Hoffman, Al Pacino and Robert DeNiro were all actors who were considered 'character actors,' but who played lead parts. Usually, though, in American films character actors play supporting roles to actors playing leading roles, such as those played by the likes of Harrison Ford, Brad Pitt, Keanu Reeves, Tom Cruise, Pierce Brosnan and etc.

Actors who keep acting past their "leading man" years, tend to start playing "character roles" at that point (like Sean Connery). But these roles may be the best parts they ever play! However, they never get paid as much to act them as they did playing leading roles.

In England, the boundaries seem more fluid. Colin Firth, Alan Rickman and Hugh Grant play both "leading man" and "character" roles, depending on the film, for example.

I'm just sort of making this up, though, based on observation and things I've read; I'm no film studies major. :)

~ Mechtild

Hooray! I'm so glad KD is breathing again!

Thank you, Narya, for setting up the emergency LJ communities, and Honey, for setting up the Yahoo group. Now, I'm going to relax, as KD is really where I like to be. Welcome back, Moggy!

I have to say, I adore the fact that Elijah still has (and wears) his Crappy Tan Jacket. This shows a certain groundedness that I hope he never loses. Go, Lij!

Thank you thank you thank you thank you Narya, Honeyelf, Moggy, Mariole and whiteling we missed your birthday :k
And elijah .... you keep us on our toes, thank you .

to celebrate

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/billiep/12633.jpg

can't help myself

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/billiep/12500.jpg

cheers! cheers! :k

Sorry that I don't even have time to read the new posts--I'm typing this at the office at 10:30 pm and still have to walk home. No phone at the new apt. until at least Wednesday, and possibly no internet connection for some time longer. Long story regarding old building with wiring not set up for computers. (No way to access my website, but I'm working on some things to post when I can get back to it.)

At the same time this is going on, my sibs and I are discussing whether Mom will be going into a nursing home or I'll be moving back to Fort Dodge to live with her in the house. Have spent much time (at the office) on the phone with Mom and brother #2 today, and still need to go home and take one more load of books to the new apt.

Glad to see KD back up :k . Hope it will still be here when I can get back online on Monday. :z:

(((Faculty))) (((KD)))

Happy birthday, Whiteling!

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Tg, I'm so sorry about your horrible computer situation and lousy move. I hope it all gets sorted soon. Best wishes! :k

Bunnie and Mech, thanks for explaining "character actor" to me. So long as it doesn't exclude Lij from being the lead actor, I'm happy!

TG, I don't know whether to hope that you don't have to move again, or to hope that you do. It's no fun, trying to sort out how to best care for an aging parent. I'm glad you have your sisters and brother to work it out with. And I hope you are more settled soon.

Saile, I just love that pic of EW in the brown shirt!

honey!

The current Entertainment Weekly features their “summer Must list.” Number 80 is Liev Schreiber. The article says: Among the nation’s finest Shakespearean thesps, Schreiber (last seen on screen in The Manchurian Candidate) now juggles nights performing in David Mamet’s Glengarry Glen Ross – he’s a Tony winner for playing Chicago sales shark Ricky Roma – and days editing his film adaptation of Jonathan Safran Foer’s Everything Is Illuminated. “We started talking about [Glengarry] when I was in Prague [shooting Everything]. I assumed I’d be done with the film much sooner: I wasn’t envisioning these full days in the cutting room. For a while, I thought it was a stupid decision to take the play. In retrospect, I’m glad I did. The play is full of so much profanity it’s actually a great vent for the frustrations of editing.” (Don’t you think they could have worked the words “starring Elijah Wood” in there somewhere??)

Mechtild and BunnieBugs, I would agree with your definitions of “character actor.” And Mechtild, I also agree that the line between character actor and “leading man” seems to be more fluid in the UK than here in the USA. Here, there also seems to be an underlying assumption that character actors are not traditionally movie-star handsome. I remember reading a comment by someone about Jude Law, that he is “a character actor in the body of a leading man.” You could say the same thing about Elijah, if he were a bit taller.

saile, I love that “brown shirt” picture, too. Of course, it features one of Elijah’s classic print-shirt-with-striped-tie combinations. But as I have pointed out to Achila, at least his colors usually go well together (e.g., both shirt and tie in your picture are mainly shades of brown), even when he’s got plaid-on-stripes, or plaid-on-plaid, or whatever.

I see that now we have an ad for "Wholesale Eyeglasses"! :)

tg, sorry to hear that your life is so complicated. If you find yourself with any spare time, Dr. Pelagia recommends some FotR therapy.

Good morning, all. Hope you're having a nice Saturday -- now that I'm working again, Saturday is bee-ooo-tiful!

I thought this was interesting -- LOTR is ranked #5 among money-making film franchises -- http://biz.yahoo.com/weekend/franchise_1.html

For some reason, the chart says the number of films is 4 tho -- hmmm...did they sneak one past us???? But what's cool about this is that if you look at the total number of films for each of those franchises, LOTR is the least number of films, and therefore, ultimately, the highest moneymaker of them all. Cute pic of that kid who's in it too...

For some reason, the chart says the number of films is 4 tho -- hmmm...did they sneak one past us????
Obviously, this reviewer read the books starting with "The Hobbit" and was one of the few who never saw the movies at all. S/he would be shocked to learn the Hobbit was not filmed, so don't say anything.

What I'm smirking about is that LOTR topped the Godfather, who is the only other contender here who got an Oscar for best pic-- or did I miss something about Jaws? Anyway, good show, LOTR, good show!

I might be in the minority here, but I don't think Elijah Wood is "movie-star handsome." He has some classic features, but on the whole I think his face is unusual, compelling, arresting, and in certain cases very beautiful, but not classically handsome. I think PJ (through Fran) picked him precisely because he was so otherworldly looking. He wanted a leading man (hobbit) who would at every minute remind people they were not on Earth, simply because of his amazing appearance.

You had viewers even in FOTR (before they saw Gollum who had been deliberately manipulated to resemble our hero's eyes) who maintained that Elijah's eyes were digitally generated. I think he's got a great future because he will always be able to fill that niche where someone must stand out from the crowd. Look how often he plays loners or displaced people. I don't think Elijah's looks will ever transform into mere background noise. He'll always be unusual looking and marketable, whether he's considered handsome or no.

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Mariole said: I might be in the minority here, but I don't think Elijah Wood is "movie-star handsome." He has some classic features, but on the whole I think his face is unusual, compelling, arresting, and in certain cases very beautiful, but not classically handsome. I think PJ (through Fran) picked him precisely because he was so otherworldly looking. He wanted a leading man (hobbit) who would at every minute remind people they were not on Earth, simply because of his amazing appearance.

Well, I'll disagree with you Mariole! :) I think he is conventionally handsome. His eyes are perhaps the major thing that sets him apart, partly because they are so large. But mainly because they are so very expressive. If I were a betting woman I'd say that PJ cast him for that purity and innocence he can project through his eyes.

Right now he has that luminous, dewey skin maybe working against him just a bit, but that will (sadly) change.

To me his biggest handicap, looks-wise, is his size. Though I really don't think that should be so much of a problem. His acting is so good that any director would be nuts to pass him over because he's small. As I was watching Hooligans I noticed that they seemed to have cast around him, because alot of the other actors were near his heighth. (Pelagia, Achila, I thought I saw one scene where he must have been standing on a box! :D Do you know the one I mean?)

And on the very minor scale, his (adorably) gappy teeth are not Matinee Idol perfect. But I think teeth are not a strong point for a lot of actors. Ewan McGregor's are yellow. I've always thought that Denzel Washington had just too durn many teeth! And there are certain very handsome leading men who look just plain goofy, or worse - evil when they smile, and so they don't smile in their films at all, or only to underscore some very important moment!

honey!

ETA: :eek: I did it again, CeeFour! Will you ever forgive me? :D

ETAA: I just found a review (linked from livejournal) of EiI. It contains no spoilers, and is very brief, so I'll post it here. This sounds really good!

Everything Is Illuminated: Liev Schreiber (whom I met after the screening) directs Elijah Wood in this adaptation of Jonathan Safran Foer's runaway hit debut novel. I didn't read the book, but I loved this film. It's slow, but didn't make me antsy or sleepy. It's about going back to Ukraine to find the pre-Holocaust shtetl of Foer's grandfather. I've been to Ukraine, and that made the movie even better. And I know people who take these trips. Very moving. See it with someone who cries as much as you do.

I CAN'T WAIT!!!

honeyelf wrote: To me his biggest handicap, looks-wise, is his size. Though I really don't think that should be so much of a problem. His acting is so good that any director would be nuts to pass him over because he's small. As I was watching Hooligans I noticed that they seemed to have cast around him, because alot of the other actors were near his heighth. (Pelagia, Achila, I thought I saw one scene where he must have been standing on a box! Do you know the one I mean?) Can’t think of the scene you’re talking about -- what was it? And I still thought he looked small relative to many of the other actors – especially in that scene where he catches up with the other guys on their way to the last big “battle” – where he works his way up through the group to join Charlie H. in front.

Anyway, as far as size goes, Dustin Hoffman (whose name often seems to come up here as an example of a character actor with a distinguished career that has included plenty of leading roles) is only 5’6”, according to IMDB.

And Mariole, while I agree that Elijah’s face is . . . unusual, compelling, arresting, and in certain cases very beautiful . . . and that he certainly had an “otherworldly” quality as Frodo, I also think that as he has gotten older, his face has moved into the range of what would be considered “movie-star handsome.” But (wisely, IMHO) he hasn’t taken any roles that would exploit this; and in fact, he has even “plain-Janed” (there must be a male equivalent of that) himself, as Patrick.

Well, I tend to agree with Mariole, honeyelf*.

EW is not "movie star handsome". Orlando Bloom is that. Brad Pitt is that. Actually, I am always surprised by how differently EW can photograph. The pic you posted above, from a professional shoot, is one that shows why EW makes a good photographer's model.

If any of you have seen pictures of models (female ones) as their everyday selves vis-a-vis their photographed selves, you will know what I mean. It is not as though a famous model becomes, "plain", but she often is unrecognizable without the glamour created by the professional shoot.

EW is ravishing (to me) as Frodo (as you all know! swoon...), but he had some help - the role, the hair, the costuming, the lighting -- mostly the role. In a lot of EW's professional shoots, he is amazingly handsome - even stunning! - but then you'll see him in candid shots or posing for various public events, and he looks like "Mr. Regular Guy;" maybe "cute", sometimes "winsomely charming," sometimes even "meltingly lovely" (*like at ORC, right honeyelf? :k ); but always different.

I think this ability to look really different, depending on the way he is shot and who he is supposed to be playing, will help him in his career.

If he should play a "leading man" part, he will look great, of course! -- because they will costume, make-up and light him to be a leading man; the role will do the rest. They will deal with the shortness; they did for Hoffman and Pacino, too. But, if he plays some gibbering, pathetic goon, he will look like one; he can be made to look like anything, as can we all. Just think how differently you yourself photograph. Surely if you have had enough taken, even if just candids, you will see a huge range.

I look at my old pub shots and say, "Who was THAT?" I look SO glamorous - gorgeous, in fact. But if I look at standard family snapshots of me from the same years, I see the truth. I was good looking enough, but I was glamorously good-looking in the professional shots. Why? Because the photographer looked at me with a glamorous eye, an eye that few people saw me with.

The "glamour shot" is the one my husband has over his desk at work - that is how he sees me. But if I were standing in the same room and anyone looking over his shoulder noticed that picture, he or she would be thinking, "Who is that woman? Why isn't his wife upset that he has it up over his work station?"

I think that when we see photos of EW as an adult looking glamorously handsome, it is a look he can have, but not the look he has all the time. I think Mariole is correct in saying that what his looks have all the time is uniqueness. He doesn't look like anyone else, no matter who he looks like in this or that role or shoot.


~ Mechtild

Yeah, what Mech said. :rolleyes:

And to think of it, I could totally wish on him the career that Dustin Hoffman or Al Pacino had. (Well, I'd wish Ishtar or Cruisin' on no one). But think of their roles--good dramatic roles that played against the action hero.

I think the One Lad could easily play the lead in And Justice for All--You're out of order, he's out of order!--or Marathon Man--It's not safe.

I hope he'll find a niche, and maybe he'll have to make it the Kevin Bacon way--as starring in star vehicles, without being the star. I just want him working, and giving us good performances.

As far as his looks, my own description is "geekily lovely." And if he was a rock star, he'd look like Billie Joe Armstrong. :haha:

Briefly de-lurking to comment on something said back aways, about Frodo's Kitchen. Speaking for my Kitchen Sisters (16 "founders" and many other "regular members" in our heyday..)

Yes... Frodo's Kitchen on TORC seems to have gone into permanent dormancy. But the Kitchen Ladies haven't quite scattered to the four winds... not yet. We're still in regular contact with each other... most of us. Some of us now nurture real world friendships. And we still talk about Frodo and LOTR... and our kids, our jobs, our dreams. We still analyze... and we still swoon (we never COULD give that up completely, though we never emphasized that aspect of fandom when we posted).

Thank you for your fond remembrances... and think of us kindly. We may get busy and disappear from time to time, but we'll never go away altogether, so long as sites like this excellent one still remain. I promise!

Marea!

I am so pleased to see your post, and so happy to hear that much of the Kitchen "inner circle" is still in contact with each other. Yes, it was a stupendous thread. I only came upon it at the end of its radiant life, but before I even made my first post, I read the whole of Part II. And, since it was TORc, in whose threads no pictures are posted, that meant pages of solid text. At that point, Part II was up to, what? 30 pages? (Part I was MASSIVE; I never got around to reading any of that, but I heard it was even better). Heavens, but it was a great thread.

I wish you very well in your present life, Marea, and it warms me (a sentimental phrase, I know, but accurate) to think you are out there "listening".

~ Mechtild

ETA: "Geekily lovely"; I loved that, Ereshkigal! But here I will exhibit my decrepitude...who is Billy Joe Armstrong?

Hi all
I'm back in town for three more days. I missed the KD crisis and am glad everything is back in order. :k

I enjoyed what you said Mechtild, about photos and beauty etc.

Speaking more of beauty or handsomeness or whatever---I like beauty that shifts and changes and wavers now and again. I like it when a person has a little unpredictability to their looks and when a person isn't always perfect. You know, some people always look put together and gorgeously the same all of the time. That's great--but I like the humaness of the weird photo now and again. When the best of a person can't really be caught on camera in quick shots. But rather that the shifting things you can't catch-- like when and how they move or glance or speak-- is part of their beauty. These things don't always come through in candid stills, or just regular photographs. I have some gorgeous friends who don't look so good in photos (though certainly would in a formal posed shot). sometimes I think elijah is like that. And I like it fine.

I think his modeled shots are often stunningly breathtaking. And moving film catches him quite well ;) . But yeah--sometimes he can look "different" in snapshots--but again, I like that about him. Like Ereshkigal said "geekily lovely" :D

ETA: Only if you want to share, Mech--you spoke of publicity shots. You an actor? singer? model?? Maybe you have already said and I missed it? :)

Honeyelf, I forgive you. But the Bible states that we must forgive 70 times 7. You do the math. ;)

C4

Alyon, it's nice to have K-D back, ey?

Alyon said:
You know, some people always look put together and gorgeously the same all of the time. That's great (...)
That, in a nut shell, is the casting call description of filmdom's "leading man." :D

Now here is a description of the casting call for "character actors":

Alyon said:
--but I like the humaness of the weird photo now and again. When the best of a person can't really be caught on camera in quick shots. But rather that the shifting things you can't catch-- like when and how they move or glance or speak-- is part of their beauty.
I think this sort of beauty has more to do with what the actor projects from inside himself, which is elusive and mercurial, changing to suit his role and the moments within that role. The, "same-all-the-time" beauty is what leading actors and actresses tend to have.

When a "leading actor" breaks away from their "same-all-the-time" beauty, they get an Oscar, like Charlize Theron. ;)

ETA: I had pub shots taken because I wanted to be an actress when I was young. I went to N.Y.C. but mainly hung out with friends and never had a career, but I still have a drawer full of great pictures. :cool: I used to let my daughter paint on the backs of them because the stock was so nice and thick. And I hated to see them all go to waste. :D

~ Mechtild

Mech:

In answer to your query, he is the lead for Green Day.

I've never quite managed to get a photobucket, so I'll link the site's promo pictures. Let me know what you think.

http://www.greenday.com/photos/promo_group4/

"Who is that woman? Why isn't his wife upset that he has it up over his work station?"
:lol: However, I can't even look back to my glamor days. I'm afraid my loveliness will be lost in the space-time continuum forever. :p

the shifting things you can't catch-- like when and how they move or glance or speak-- is part of their beauty.
Kathleen Turner strikes me that way. When she's moving and speaking, I think she's beautiful. The still pictures just don't capture it. There's a charisma that the best actors all seem to have, some amazing quality that makes it impossible to look away. Elijah has this in spades. It isn't just good looks. It's the entire package-- the movement, the expression, the soul. I think he has a good soul, and it shines through. :)

he has even “plain-Janed” (there must be a male equivalent of that) himself, as Patrick.
Did I mention wise? The Lad is also wise. "Plain-Janing" can only help him. *sigh* And he's only twenty-something? *Mariole elects not to plot a comparison graph of her own personal development* :D

Hmmmm...

*scrolling through the photos*

Ereshkigal, Billy Joe Armstrong must be the person with the black spiky hair and smudgy eye make-up. You think there's a strong resemblance? I don't see it, apart from them both having over-sized eyes (although that might be the kohl, in the case of Green Day's lead ;) ) and what looks like the same basic body type (compact).

Maybe if we got EW to get another make-up job like he had for the "cupcake" shot....? :D

Seriously, though, judging just from these pictures, in the world of rock I'd say EW bore a greater resemblance to Ian Curtis (in the few snaps that were linked here when folks were talking about that role) than this person.

(Just my opinion, of course, schnookie! :) )

ETA:

Mariole wrote:
Kathleen Turner strikes me that way. When she's moving and speaking, I think she's beautiful. The still pictures just don't capture it. There's a charisma that the best actors all seem to have, some amazing quality that makes it impossible to look away. Elijah has this in spades. It isn't just good looks. It's the entire package-- the movement, the expression, the soul. I think he has a good soul, and it shines through. :)
I'll buy most of that, Mariole. I won't conjecture about his soul, however; about that I just don't know enough. He certainly is able to project the character's soul, or "soulfulness", when acting, though.


~ Mechtild

Okay, okay! Uncle, already! :D

Maybe he's not leading man handsome. But he is gorgeous - geekiness, changeableness, and soufulness included!

I just don't want him to always be the "odd looking one," or "the other-worldly one," or even "the one that was just too beautiful." Because none of those types get cast much.

In other words, I guess I want the film-making world to value you him for his acting, so that he gets cast in lots of films. I guess I don't want his looks to overshadow his talent. I don't want any doors to close in that lovely-geeky-beautiful-changeable-soulful face of his.

honey!

PS Marea, it's lovely to see you here. I mostly only lurked in the kitchen, and kinda made a nuisance of myself when I de-lurked. But it's nice to hear that the kitchen ladies live on! :k

Honey, where's the picture? I was all ready to forgive you again.

C-1 forgiveness of Honeyelf down; 489 to go-4

I refuse to call this film Green Street or Green Street Elite or whatever else they might come up with...

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Also, Dougie has updated his site:

I am delighted to announce that Hooligans has secured yet another award by taking the 'best feature' slot at the La Femme Film Festival in Los Angeles. This now sits proudly alongside both the audience and jury awards taken at S&SW and the Malibu Film Festival. Not a bad haul really and something everyone involved should be justly proud of.

Yet despite all the success the film has enjoyed in this relatively short space of time, there is still no news of a distribution deal in North America and if someone could explain to me why that is, I would love to hear from them. As I'm sure, would the many people who have mailed me asking that same question.

What makes it all the more frustrating for me is that having finally seen the movie, I can now understand why it has been so well received on the US festival circuit. For when it is viewed as a simple story and is not weighed down by concerns about authenticity and detail, it works really well and looks simply brilliant. Indeed both Alex Buono the director of photography and fight co-ordinator Pat Johnson have done an incredible job. One I hope they receive huge credit for in the future.

But for some reason, those with the power to get Hooligans out to a larger American audience simply do not get it. Bizarre I know, but we have to keep hoping that sooner or later someone will see what's going on and realise that this movie keeps winning awards for a reason and could do really, really well Stateside if given the opportunity.

That said, aside from the fact that it'll be nice to enjoy some success across the pond, for me the real test will begin on August 26th when it hits the screens here in the UK. For there can be little doubt that both the British audiences and the reviewers will be looking very closely at how the Americans have interpreted such an integral, if unsavoury, part of our footballing culture.

Personally, despite everything that went on during the shoot, I think Hooligans or rather Green Street is a more than decent movie. As I have already mentioned, it looks great and the fight scenes are as good as I've seen anywhere but equally, in spite of the fact that the story was specifically tailored to suit an American audience, it does work very well and I think most people will be pleasantly surprised. Of course there will always be those looking to pick holes in it and to be fair, there are a few elements I felt could have been handled better. But in the main, these revolve around detail and will not even be noticed by most people. However, the fact remains that there were individuals paid to be on set and watch for such things and they should have picked up these mistakes during filming. For whatever reason, they simply didn't do their job which is a shame.

In terms of the actual performances, whilst Charlie Hunnam and Leo Gregory have been receiving glowing reviews across the pond, the real star of the movie for me is Geoff Bell -most recently seen in the UK on that annoying Pimms advert. He is quite simply outstanding in the role of Tommy Hatcher and the best compliment I can give him is that he is exactly how I wanted the character to appear when I first imagined him.

I was also pleasantly surprised at the number of in-jokes I managed to sneak into the final edit. Oh yes, like most writers I set out with a plan to include a few subliminal -and not so subliminal- references to various people, places or even sentiments and I counted at least 14 in the edit I saw. Not a bad count considering. Of course whilst some will be fairly obvious to anyone who knows me, others will only be spotted by those in-the-know whilst yet more will only ever be known to either guilty parties or my good self. And have no doubt, if we have ever crossed paths and you think that something in the movie might be referring to you, chances are it probably does.

Anyway, now we enter the most difficult and nerve wracking part of the whole creative process, the waiting stage. The time when it's out of your hands and all you can do is hope it all goes well and that people like it. Well, that and prepare for the worst if they don't!

Tin hat anyone?

Achila, I saw that update to Dougie's site yesterday, and while I was glad that he was pleased with the final product (having finally seen it :rolleyes: ), I was miffed that he never even mentioned Elijah's name. Petty, I know, but he singles out three other people... I suppose there could be a good reason for this (being British, maybe he thought more people would be interested in the performances of the British actors?), but it really bothered me. :(

Yep, I noticed that, Bun. And to me, it's once again a case of being so subtle and good that he's doing his "thing" without anyone really even noticing it. However, if he wasn't doing his thing to the utmost of his ability, they'd be more than well aware of it. So much like Frodo, if Elijah's Matt didn't work, there would go the entire film. :mad:

Just pretend I quoted Bunnie's whole post. :confused: Is this perhaps Dougie's little way of saying, "The Americans don't want it because of the actor we chose?" Very odd. I hope I'm not getting thin-skinned.

Honey, FWIW, the picture Achila posted looks extremely handsome to me. However, it also looks "otherworldly." :p I share your concern about there being fewer roles in this category, but I seriously think he will always have plenty of work, even if he is "typecast" this way. I know, I'd like to see more, but (if Doug's post is an indication, which I'm still not sure it is), Elijah might always be something of an acquired taste. :k

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Here's the pic I tried to post last night. Either I wasn't fully functional, or K-D was acting funny. Or maybe I was acting funny, and K-D wasn't fully functional? Anywho, didn't work. Trying again.

Does Dougie have a clue that at least half of the reason for all the buzz over his "authentic" little film is about 5'5" with Big. Blue. Eyes. ? :rolleyes: Is Dougie Darlin' a little :p jealous maybe?

honey!

Dougie jealous? :D The thought amuses me.

I expect that, as usual, I'm just reading too much into it. I didn't go back and read his previous entries, but I do have some recollection of him praising Elijah's performance at some point. Trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, here.

Achila, I forgot to mention that that's a gorgeous still that you've posted there: I love how the entire focus of the shot is centered on Elijah (which is how it should be in my not so very humble opinion), and not just because he's in the middle. Beautiful! I don't think I've seen that particular photo before -- does there happen to be a larger version anywhere? Or more where that came from? Yes, I'm greedy and I don't mind that it shows. :p

Edited to add: Incidentally, a friend of mine was able to see Hooligans at the Atlanta Film Festival a couple of nights ago, and she said that the audience was polled about the title and whether they thought a different one would bring more people into the theatre. The choices they gave were: Hooligans, GSE:Hooligans, and Green Street Hooligans. She picked the first one as a keeper, but personally, I think the last one might be okay, too. Might as well stick with short and sweet, though.

Also, I've read a couple more blurbs from people who went to a test screening of EII, and for the most part, they're very positive. There was one, however, that I only skimmed when it became obvious that it was going to be spoilery, but it was pretty obvious that they hated it. :eek: Apparently they didn't care for the adaptation of what they thought was a brilliant book.

Ah, well, there's always one. :) I think that the majority of people are going to like this film.

Achila, I forgot to mention that that's a gorgeous still that you've posted there: Isn't it, tho? :) I kinda like it too!

I love how the entire focus of the shot is centered on Elijah (which is how it should be in my not so very humble opinion), and not just because he's in the middle. Beautiful! I don't think I've seen that particular photo before -- does there happen to be a larger version anywhere? Or more where that came from? Yes, I'm greedy and I don't mind that it shows. Not that I know of (and I can't remember whose LJ I filched...er...uh...lifted...um...shared that from. :D)

Achila – what a wonderful Hooligans still!

BTW, Achila and I saw Howl’s Moving Castle this afternoon. Does Howl (the dark-haired person) remind anyone (besides us) of anyone?? ;)


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Does Howl (the dark-haired person) remind anyone (besides us) of anyone??

Heh. I've often thought Elijah looks like an anime character - long time back I mentioned that I'd love to see him play Kenshin should they ever do a live action of that. Kenshin's a short and brilliant samurai who people tend to underestimate, both because of his height and because he won't kill (anymore...). But Kenshin can be quite terrifying at times, as well. I'm thinking with his fair skin EW could carry off the red hair...

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/animelist/kenshin.jpg
http://www.portlandstreet.com/RUROUNI%20KENSHIN%201024x768.jpg

Howl does look more like EW, though. Quite OT, but what did you think of the movie Howl's Moving Castle?

Sheryl

Heh. I've often thought Elijah looks like an anime character - long time back I mentioned that I'd love to see him play Kenshin should they ever do a live action of that. I'm all for that, shilohmm. And we know he could do the physical parts brilliantly.

When the LOTR crew was in Japan to publicize the films, it was Elijah for whom they always screamed the most. Obviously, they have taste :D , and after seeing anime, I know why -- he basically looks like a little bishounen (did I spell that right, shilohmm?), with his big eyes, heart-shaped face and fair skin.

Howl does look more like EW, though. Quite OT, but what did you think of the movie Howl's Moving Castle?We really loved it. I've enjoyed many of Miyazaki's films, particularly Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away. It was Pelagia's first.

Honey:Okay, okay! Uncle, already!
Honey!! Don't cry uncle. Has elijah ever looked anything less than beautiful on film? IMHO the lad always reads well on camera--whereas the controversy as to whether or not he is handsome comes from still shots. Yay for motion pictures! ;)

Here's a new pic of my baby now 4 months old...I hope you don't mind indulging my posting this new pic...but I figure as long as his name is on topic...it should be ok ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/ylla/Mr.jpg


don't pay any attention to the human holding the little hobbit guy...she's just his momma..and quite honestly,if the other photos had been as good ,I would have preferred using one without Ylla :rolleyes:

Fantastic pics Achila and Honey(oh my.. The Nose in that shot...ohh I'm such a fan of that nose :o )

and after seeing anime, I know why -- he basically looks like a little bishounen (did I spell that right, shilohmm?), with his big eyes, heart-shaped face and fair skin.

Looks right to me, but even non-fannish Japanese words tend to have multiple valid variations in spelling. And like Kenshin, Elijah's now technically too old to be a bishounen - he was maybe young enough when first doing LOTR, but by the time he finished the last pick-ups he was a biseinen (i.e., beautiful young man rather than beautiful boy). ;)

tgshaw used to have an "anime Frodo" avatar that really showed how close EW is to an anime hero - I can't remember if she said she'd fiddled with the picture or if it just turned out that way when she cut it and shrunk it down to avatar size. Also can't remember why I didn't ask for that one when she gave me the one I've got - maybe it was because she said she didn't want to give the anime up!

I've enjoyed many of Miyazaki's films, particularly Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away.

I thought Princess Mononoke was a good film, but it was Nausicaä and Spirited Away that completely knocked me out. I was horrified recently to discover there was a butchered English version of Nausicaä floating around - we tend to watch them in Japanese with subtitles so I hadn't even heard of that one. I thought the original so brilliant that it pains me to know that was done. That's worse than the American guys who printed LOTR without Tolkien's permission. :(

ylla,

Your Frodo looks like my Kenshin kitten - except Kenshin has amber eyes; his sister Carmen has the green, but although she's a black cat she doesn't ever have quite that expression. :p

I'm getting frustrated with the Hooligans situation. I haven't succumbed to the temptation to track down a copy on the Internet, but man, I'm tempted... I think I waited two years before going for an illegitimate copy of Chain of Fools, but I feel no guilt over that one. For one thing, no one seemed to be making the least effort to get it out in the States! Which is not true of Hooligans, so I guess I'll behave. Reluctantly. *sigh*

Sheryl

hallo everyone!!!!!

HAPPY,HAPPY,SO SO HAPPY KD IS BACK ON TRACK!!!!!!!


THANK YOU ALL WHO MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO KEEP CONTACT!!!!!!!! :k :k :k

Well after spending the weekend with Whiteling,Serena,Skatergirl

my head is spinning with thoughts!!! It was far to short and whent by to fast!!!!
But i have never hade so much fun they are all very wonderful people!!!!!

We watch lots of Elijah goddies!! Bumblebee,Radio flyer and the famous Day-o!!!!

I hope that someday we all will met up in a big faculty-hoot!!!!!!!

well off now to do some house work!!

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

Good to see you're still standing Wood... ;) seems like you all had a lovely time.

Ylla - Frodo is so gorgeous!! That pic made me squeal like it was the early days of fandom. As did the nose-shot of E that Honeyelf posted. Where is it from? Reminds me of the Cranberries music video.

Looks right to me, but even non-fannish Japanese words tend to have multiple valid variations in spelling. And like Kenshin, Elijah's now technically too old to be a bishounen - he was maybe young enough when first doing LOTR, but by the time he finished the last pick-ups he was a biseinen (i.e., beautiful young man rather than beautiful boy). ;)
Ah -- thanks for the update.

I thought Princess Mononoke was a good film, but it was Nausicaä and Spirited Away that completely knocked me out.Without getting too OT here, PM was more my speed because of the Nature themes in it, which I truly love Miyazaki for.

I was horrified recently to discover there was a butchered English version of Nausicaä floating around - we tend to watch them in Japanese with subtitles so I hadn't even heard of that one. I thought the original so brilliant that it pains me to know that was done.I actually saw that in English. I agree -- I personally hate the dubbed versions.

I'm getting frustrated with the Hooligans situation. I haven't succumbed to the temptation to track down a copy on the Internet, but man, I'm tempted... I think I waited two years before going for an illegitimate copy of Chain of Fools, but I feel no guilt over that one. For one thing, no one seemed to be making the least effort to get it out in the States! Which is not true of Hooligans, so I guess I'll behave. Reluctantly. So far as I know, a pirated Hooligans has not yet surfaced, but my bet is that it will the second it hits the UK screens in August.

ETA:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/aquila0212/hooligans05.jpg

Interesting conversation ! Yeah!! :k

I have been reading the SCREENING reviews for EII and the quote from Pelagia.

Among the nation’s finest Shakespearean thesps, Schreiber (last seen on screen in The Manchurian Candidate) now juggles nights performing in David Mamet’s Glengarry Glen Ross – he’s a Tony winner for playing Chicago sales shark Ricky Roma – and days editing his film adaptation of Jonathan Safran Foer’s Everything Is Illuminated. “We started talking about [Glengarry] when I was in Prague [shooting Everything]. I assumed I’d be done with the film much sooner: I wasn’t envisioning these full days in the cutting room. For a while, I thought it was a stupid decision to take the play. In retrospect, I’m glad I did. The play is full of so much profanity it’s actually a great vent for the frustrations of editing.”
So my question is ……how close are we to a finished product???

Marea, it was nice to see you here. I am acquainted with you IIRC I believe from the west of the moon and though we have not “met’ I have appreciated your posts - in the lurking mode - of course. I too like thinking that you are LISTENING.

Hearing a casting director (Pat McCorkle) interviewed on Weekend Saturday Edition she remarked that she was always looking for “that sparkle”. That is a term that I think certainly describes the one lad. And I think I agree with both Mechtild and Mariole as they expressed it ……

I think this sort of beauty has more to do with what the actor projects from inside himself, which is elusive and mercurial, changing to suit his role and the moments within that role.

There's a charisma that the best actors all seem to have, some amazing quality that makes it impossible to look away. Elijah has this in spades. It isn't just good looks. It's the entire package-- the movement, the expression, the soul………Did I mention wise? The Lad is also wise.

But I hear you Alyon.

Honey!! Don't cry uncle
Perhaps what I see is a quality that is MORE than handsome. At rest he is handsome but when he is animated or posed or inhabited or thinking – he is not just handsome - there is something else there.. Sigh.


I too am a fan of Hayao Miyazaki. Love the photos, thanks. They did love Elijah in Japan didn’t they? All those magazine covers!!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/billiep/starwars-015.jpg
cheers!
saile :D

Good to see you're still standing Wood... ;) seems like you all had a lovely time.

As did the nose-shot of E that Honeyelf posted. Where is it from? Reminds me of the Cranberries music video.

Spot on - It is the Cranberries video, which was something else we all watched together this weekend. It is SO much better watching Elijah on screen when one is sitting with other people who actually understand what it is that makes folk like us spend beautiful summer days holed up watching the one lad's films.

Wood is only back at her computer because I got us off the WRONG train (that I had also put us on) quick enough. We could have both still been camping out in Cologne airport. :D

Thank you Whiteling, Wood and Serena for a wonderful weekend - may ours just be the first, not the only european Faculty meet.

WELL SKATERGIRL ,I WOULDEN`T MIND CAMPING WITH YOU

IN COLOGNE FOR A DAY OR TWO!!!! :lol: :lol:

If you woulden`t have been there i`m not sure if i hade come to whitelings place at all or have taken the right flight back either!! :lol: :lol:



WOOD

Hello Faculty! It's so good to have KD back! :)
First of all, I'd like to thank you for the belated birthday wishes and pictures :k (Mariole, I love that Ted Nasmith illustration!)

Spot on - It is the Cranberries video, which was something else we all watched together this weekend. It is SO much better watching Elijah on screen when one is sitting with other people who actually understand what it is that makes folk like us spend beautiful summer days holed up watching the one lad's films.

:D Great minds think alike. Who needs summer and sun if there is a bunch of Elijah films at hand?

Wood is only back at her computer because I got us off the WRONG train (that I had also put us on) quick enough. We could have both still been camping out in Cologne airport. :D

:eek: You could have came back by return! We still got enough cake and cheese :D.

Thank you Whiteling, Wood and Serena for a wonderful weekend - may ours just be the first, not the only european Faculty meet.

I heartily agree. And I have to thank you, Skater girl, Serena and Wood - the First European Faculty Congress was just wonderful! :k As a matter of course we did not only lots of serious Elwoodian research but in best Hobbit tradition we took great care of our physical well-being ;).
This was the sign for the well-informed circle at the front door:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/DSC02109.jpg


And look what a gorgeous cake I got from Serena! :D :lol: I'm sure Elijah would have loved it!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/DSC02106.jpg

(I wonder what Freud would've said to that interesting work of confectionary? :eek: :haha: )

Whiteling, Serena, Skater Girl, and wood, how wonderful for you to be able to meet. It is nice to be able to put a face with a name, and to be able to speak to the real person, rather than carry on a chat over the computer. And most importantly, to talk with those who understand.

Not enough EW as Kevin in SC, you say? Well, here's your chance for your own personal Kevin:

http://www.necaonline.com/sincitynews31.html

:eek:

C4

Welcome back, Whiteling, Serena, Skater Girl, and wood! I am so glad you had a good time. I hope it wasn't all dry research, and that you managed vast quantities of giggling in the proper proportion.

I wonder what Freud would've said to that interesting work of confectionary?
Sometimes a cake is just a cake. Unless it's cheesecake. :p :D

no one seemed to be making the least effort to get it out in the States! Which is not true of Hooligans, so I guess I'll behave. Reluctantly. *sigh*
Yes, I'm hoping for distribution also. But it is very hard to be good. ;) *sigh*

They did love Elijah in Japan didn’t they?
Hey, it just occurred to me: Elijah isn't short in Japan! *capers * makes another 'yes' vote for the biseinen/anime party*

Ylla, I happen to think Mr. Frodo's mom is lovely. :k

Alyon said: Honey!! Don't cry uncle. Has elijah ever looked anything less than beautiful on film? IMHO the lad always reads well on camera--whereas the controversy as to whether or not he is handsome comes from still shots. Yay for motion pictures! ;)

Is that what we're disagreeing about; movie versus photo moments?

and Mechtild I think that when we see photos of EW as an adult looking glamorously handsome, it is a look he can have, but not the look he has all the time. I think Mariole is correct in saying that what his looks have all the time is uniqueness. He doesn't look like anyone else, no matter who he looks like in this or that role or shoot.

She also said: EW is not "movie star handsome". Orlando Bloom is that. Brad Pitt is that. Actually, I am always surprised by how differently EW can photograph. The pic you posted above, from a professional shoot, is one that shows why EW makes a good photographer's model.

If any of you have seen pictures of models (female ones) as their everyday selves vis-a-vis their photographed selves, you will know what I mean. It is not as though a famous model becomes, "plain", but she often is unrecognizable without the glamour created by the professional shoot.


Wait just a second! Nobody, nobody, looks good in every lighting situation! Or at every angle! Orlando Bloom? I don't think he's one bit handsomer than Elijah! For one thing, his nose could take lessons from Elwood's! ;) (Back me up on this one, Ylla!) And even the much vaunted Brad Pitt cannot be gorgeous in every photo.

And as for Elijah on movie screens, there are moments and angles at which he is just plain unattractive! *gasp*

Further, I would speculate that the only reason that anyone might think that Brad Pitt is Matinee Idol handsome in every photograph, is because they haven't seen every photograph!

We love Elijah to bits. Believe me, I know! We scrape the web for any little bit of news of him. Thanks to ace web-scroungers like Patsie and Undone over in LJ-land, every little crumb is caught and analyzed. Is there a magazine shoot which makes us all dampen our drawers? A few months later the web-mavens will have somehow scrounged up the out-takes!

My point? As much as we love our Lij to bits, we also place him at a huge disadvantage! Because I don't know about you, but I haven't seen the pictures of Mr. Pitt or Mr. Bloom when their mouths are open mid-sentence, or when there is a little bit of spit clinging to their lips, or they're squinting into the sun in an un-flattering way. (Speaking of lips, I've never understood what anyone would see in Mr. Pitt, with that pendulous lower lip. "Brad the Bear" is my nick-name on the odd moments I give him a thought; usually when his presence is annoying me in some movie!)

I said in my review of Hooligans that Elijah nearly undermines the message that there is nothing glamorous in street fighting because he looks so handsome in bruises and scrapes. And he does! That, my friends, is Leading Man handsome!

Sometimes I think we want to say he's different because we're alike a bunch of children: "more for us" if the rest of the movie going public doesn't 'get' him!

cantankerously,
honey!

PS Wood, Whiteling, Serena - I'm so glad to hear you had a good time! Love that cake! LOL

It's funny but last Halloween one of the ladies who works in Special Care Nursery(the unit right behind our Level One Nursery)dressed up as a hobbit lass....she made her outfit complete with cloak,feet ,ears,and a very curly blonde wig. I had no idea she was in the fandom until I saw her dressed like this(and she's worked there for many years,as have I)

Anyway....my point is...and I do have one (sound like Ellen DeGeneres? :cool: )

When I had a perm done last Nov....it came out extremely curly...and blonde...and she commented to me...it looked a lot like her "Halloween hobbit lass wig"(maybe some would be insulted...but looking like a hobbit lass is not always a bad thing :p )


Ylla, I happen to think Mr. Frodo's mom is lovely :k :k :k as you can see from the photo...young Master Frodo thinks so too :D
(((Mariole)))

on the topic of bootleg DVDs....I too will try and resist the temptation of acquiring a copy of Green St. (boy I'm with Aquila I much prefer the title Hooligans)
But if I also have to wait as long as I did with my copy of CoF(from the Phillipines via Ebay) it may be difficult. Also from my conversations with Aquila and Pelagia...this is a film I HAVE to see!

BTW...where is Grumpy...has anyone talked with her? I miss her wit!!!



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/ylla/Hooligansposter2.jpg

How about a new petition?..."Keep Hooligans..Hooligans"..LOL...okay I know.."Pick your battles Ylla" :rolleyes:


Back me up on this one, Ylla

Absolutely Honey...I'd fight to the death on that one...okay
maybe fight like a Hooligan(that's pretty tough right?)
Simulpost with Honey

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/aquila0212/hool.jpg
courtesy of the lovely Patsie, and for our dear honeyelf, as more ammo.

courtesy of the lovely Patsie, and for our dear honeyelf, as more ammo.
Thanks Achila! :k What a (meltingly gorgeous) handsome thing he is! :)

Hey, didn't Dougie say someone had tried to give him a pirated copy of Hooligans? It's out there! And on LJ I've seen enough screen caps (of both the flattering and the un-flattering variety) to believe that it can be acquired by those whose ethics will allow.

honey!

Hey, didn't Dougie say someone had tried to give him a pirated copy of Hooligans? It's out there! And on LJ I've seen enough screen caps (of both the flattering and the un-flattering variety) to believe that it can be acquired by those whose ethics will allow.You're right, honey. I saw those screen caps too, and thought they were taken with a picture phone. But thinking about it now, I'm sure that's exactly what they are.

Fortunately, it's not as though downloading it would stop us from going to see the film when (notice my optimism) it's in the theatre or buying it on DVD. It's just a matter of deciding if supporting people who pirate these films is a good idea, and that's everyone's individual choice, as you said.

ETA: From a blog, re: Hooligans distribution:

I just spoke to Lexi Alexander about "Hooligans," and there's good
news 'n' there's bad news.

The bad news is that she is going to London to work on a film for 6
months, so she's not an option as a guest speaker.

The good (nay, great) news is that Charlie Hunnam and Claire Forlani
are taking the film on a college tour, in part to build public
support so that some film company will pick it up for distribution.
Elijah Wood will also join at certain stops--probably not here in the
hinterlands of Florida, but, hey, hope springs eternal.

She's been told it's too violent. Moises scoffs and says the problem
is that it's about soccer. Whatever. It needs help.

She was impressed by my/our enthusiasm for the film and says we can
be added to the tour.

Are you game? I'm going to e-mail to establish an official
connection. It sounds like supportive statements from the target
demographic would be most welcome.

So they're looking for schools to add. My guess is that they're talking about beginning this in September, since school's out now. Interesting, tho.

:eek: Whose blog? What "target demographic?" So the college rumor is true? That's not so good! Too violent? Have these folks seen a Quentin Tarantino movie lately?

Well, one of my assignments for today, agreed upon by my self and the other petition crew, was to write the folks at Odd Lot Productions, and Insignia PR. Guess I'd better get to it.

astounded,
honey!

:eek: Whose blog? What "target demographic?" I highly doubt the link would be acceptable here, so I didn't provide it to give you those details. The LJ of undone27 was where I found the link originally (it was today's post).

Orlando Bloom? I don't think he's one bit handsomer than Elijah! For one thing, his nose could take lessons from Elwood's!
IMVHO he is not handsome at all (bloom that is) - attractive and taller maybe but not in the same league of the Hollywood handsome. His "stardom" is a mystery to me. :confused:
saile

Saile,, thanks!!!!! :k :k

i thought i was the only one who thinks that Bloom is a star that

raise fast but falls faster!! :rolleyes:

maybe Blooms fans see something that we can`t see!!
like it is for us elwoodians!!! :(

but for us it is only pure reserch in acting styl!!! :rolleyes:

STOP !!!!! who is it i am trying to fool here????? :cool:

proberly myself!!!!! :lol: :p :D


WOOD

from Mariole:
Welcome back, Whiteling, Serena, Skater Girl, and wood! I am so glad you had a good time. I hope it wasn't all dry research, and that you managed vast quantities of giggling in the proper proportion.

We did, we did! I still can't quite believe it happened. Three (nay, four, for who could forget whiteling's lovely husband Kalle, who manfully put up with the whole thing, spoke impeccable English AND cooked for us? What a star!) more delightful people it would be hard to imagine (that's the Faculty for you!). The weather, the accommodation and the surroundings were beautiful, and somehow we did actually manage to see a bit of that dramatic volcanic part of Germany in between the dry research sessions - ahem, Elwood films, some of which some of us had not seen before (I'm now a Day-O fan: anyone else noticed how young Elwood was dressed in green to look as much like an elf, leprechaun or general-purpose elemental as possible? I feel a Froshadowing coming on ... at least one shot of The One Lad was distinctly Frodo-like ....)

I must apologise for the (cheese)cake, though. It was made by the Mad Baker of Luxembourg, so I might have known how it would turn out. It featured his worm insignia, top left (if you don't eat the cake fast, the worm gets it). The hearts were kind of appropriate, though. So was the treble clef, and as for the marzipan lips - wonder how he knew? :confused:

Dougie's comments on Hooligans: he's praised Elijah to the skies in the past, and he's said so often how perfect he was for the role that I guess he just didn't bother to repeat it yet again. One of his earlier references to Elijah specifically said that, as an actor, he was in a totally different league from Danny Dyer in The Football Factory, who had decided to diss him - in other words, he passionately defended the choice of Elijah for that role. As with Lexi earlier, maybe we shouldn't jump the gun on this one! To be fair, Dougie referred to the great reviews Charlie Hunnam and Leo Gregory had been getting across the pond - he didn't say they were his opinions. And it reads as if he was pleasantly surprised by Geoff Bell, who was "exactly how I wanted the character to appear when I first imagined him". Dougie is the co-writer and was probably looking for specific elements of his own script that he might not have seen realised until he saw the finished product. He's known for a long time how Elwood performed, and I suspect he did him the compliment of taking his genius for granted. ;)

Glad to hear that Serena, Skater girl, whiteling, and wood had a great time together. As I’ve said here before, any Faculty members who have an opportunity to get together should JUMP at it. Skater girl is absolutely right when she says: It is SO much better watching Elijah on screen when one is sitting with other people who actually understand what it is that makes folk like us spend beautiful summer days holed up watching the one lad's films. Such group viewings are ideal for research, since Faculty members can exchange insights (e.g., on Froshadowing moments) immediately as they come to mind, instead of having to wait to post. The only obstacle to research in this setting is the tendency of Faculty members occasionally to collapse in a state of acute swoondom (Achila – “Wood Elves!”).

saile wrote, regarding EII: So my question is ……how close are we to a finished product??? That’s what I was wondering, when I read the blurb in Entertainment Weekly about Liev still editing it while appearing in Glengarry. It sounded as if he was still working on the film, although I think Achila read somewhere that he had finished.

As for the rumored Hooligans college tour, I live in a very college/university-heavy region (and a very Anglophile one), so I think this would be prime territory for a stopover. And this is a major metropolitan area, so SURELY it would be worth Elijah's while to come along!

ceefour: Thanks for the link to the pix of the Kevin action figures. As usual, the face doesn’t really look like Elijah (and I don’t think they’ve got his body proportions correct). I did have to laugh at this, however: Some pillars of evil stand a bit taller and more twisted than others, and boy do we have one of those in Kevin. “More twisted,” yes; but “taller”? ;)

And honeyelf, I couldn’t agree with you more on the subject of Brad Pitt’s looks. Vastly overrated!

The only obstacle to research in this setting is the tendency of Faculty members occasionally to collapse in a state of acute swoondom (Achila – “Wood Elves!”). Now you're just teasing me.... :D (we need a drooly icon)
saile wrote, regarding EII: That’s what I was wondering, when I read the blurb in Entertainment Weekly about Liev still editing it while appearing in Glengarry. It sounded as if he was still working on the film, although I think Achila read somewhere that he had finished.No, I didn't read it, but I thought it was probably finished by now since that mention in the Playbill was months ago, Elijah went to NYC to do ADR in January/February and they now have some sort of product they've shown at test screenings. My guess is that some items like the music might not be done, but here it is almost July, the release is September and they have to have the prints made. That suggests to me that it's almost complete.

As for the rumored Hooligans college tour, I live in a very college/university-heavy region (and a very Anglophile one), so I think this would be prime territory for a stopover. And this is a major metropolitan area, so SURELY it would be worth Elijah's while to come along!I make a mean cheesecake, Elijah, if you're out there reading this...southeastern PA's the place to be!

Well, honey, I just read your vent on EW's leading man handsome-ness and feel thoroughly trounced. ;)

OK, OK, you can have him be leading-man handsome! :D In fact, I look forward to seeing his leading-man-handsome-hood radiating from the big screen soon -- if Hooligans should ever make it onto one, in this democrat-forsaken country. :z: (I don't expect to see it in EII -- the "leading-man handsomeness" -- judging from the caps.)

Hooligans, the shots have been showing him as pret-ty darned "handsome." But it's his "dark and broody" look, I think, that makes him look that way. If he sticks to playing roles characterized by dark-and-broody-ness, I am sure I will be entirely won over to your way of thinking, honey. :p

After all, I just lurve that behind-the-scenes shot you often post of him from the Hooligans shoot. You know, the one in the fitted little shirt, holding a cigarette suspended from the fingers of his dropped hand (such pretty fingers); his brow (attractively set off with a few simulated wounds and bruises) furrowed pensively; his 3/4-view head tipped a little forward, with the pull of gravity drawing forth the tiniest, moodiest, most thoughtful little pout. Oh, yes. Verrrrrrrrry handsome indeed.

~ Mechtild

P.S. I mentioned Brad baby because he is widely thought of as "leading man handsome", not because of my own opinion of him. Although, he almost won me over in that movie about the arrogant German mountain climber stuck in Tibet. Of course, he was greatly aided by getting to play some one, "dark and broody," even if, 'blondly dark'. :D

P.S. Ylla! How Mr. Frodo has grown so! You and he complement each other beautifully, too, with your golden curls and his raven fur. So pretty together!

After all, I just lurve that behind-the-scenes shot you often post of him from the Hooligans shoot. You know, the one in the fitted little shirt, holding a cigarette suspended from the fingers of his dropped hand (such pretty fingers); his brow (attractively set off with a few simulated wounds and bruises) furrowed pensively; his 3/4-view head tipped a little forward, with the pull of gravity drawing forth the tiniest, moodiest, most thoughtful little pout. Oh, yes. Verrrrrrrrry handsome indeed.


Mechtild, I really like your dry research-pertinent style of linguistic expression :p.
I suppose your description refers to that picture -

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/the-yank-behind_kleiner.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/Ares.jpg

and there you have it - the reason for his handsomeness: he looks like the Greek war god Ares (very fitting for this movie, I think). ;)


P.S. I mentioned Brad baby because he is widely thought of as "leading man handsome", not because of my own opinion of him. Although, he almost won me over in that movie about the arrogant German mountain climber stuck in Tibet. Of course, he was greatly aided by getting to play some one, "dark and broody," even if, 'blondly dark'. :D

Yes, Brad baby (:lol: ) was not bad in Seven Years in Tibet. The real Heinrich Harrer was certainly flattered, being portrayed by this heart-throb without receding brow :D.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/Heinr_Harrer.jpg
The real Heinrich Harrer


Ylla - I meant to say in my last post, how pretty you and Mr Frodo are looking together. Sweet! :k

Well, honey, I just read your vent on EW's leading man handsome-ness and feel thoroughly trounced. ;)

ooh!

Mechtild, would you like to kiss this, and make it all better? ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/hooligans6.jpg

He maybe prettier than most handsome leading men, but he's the handsomest leading man I've ever seen! :D

honey!

Wonderful comparison photo Whiteling ...yes that is one of my favorite photos from Hooligans filming...I always love the behind the scenes photos. The lovely Wood sent me a music video last year that was set to "Too Lost In You"
(I believe the video was made by Blossom who always says Happy Birthday to Faculty members with the most incredible gifs :k )...the video was all behind the scenes from LotR...INCREDIBLE...I can't tell you how much I enjoyed that one. This man is at his most beautiful when the camera finds him laughing with his co-workers or studying his script(very often chewing on his cuticles :( )...makes me hunger for more behind the scenes LotR....come on PJ we know you've got loads of film stored away...surely you kept it all...Do we really have to wait for an anniversary year to come round to see that blupper reel.?..I've seen bits of it from NZ tv but the quality was horrible!

Mechtild and Whiteling :k :k :k ...thanks for the lovely compliments...I was a bit nervous about posting that photo...I hate being photographed...but as I said it was one of the only shots that didn't make Mr. Frodo's eyes look glassy...I think cats' eyes reflect when you take a shot of them full-on...and then they just look spooky :D

Wood...Whiteling..Skater Girl...Serena...so glad you enjoyed your moot...I miss doing that with Achila and Pelagia...we always have a great time! I'm hoping to meet up with Ceefour the next time I moot with the gang! Hey guys do you think we can all run out of the house together during a viewing of AiW ? :rolleyes:



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/ylla/try17bts20.jpg

Hey Blondie... whatcha doin' there with that guy?..(not that I would ever behave like this :rolleyes: )



:D :D :D Ylla!!!

once again simulpost with Honey....are you and I getting swoony here? :k

Just got an interesting e-mail from TexasTactical, whom some of you may have met up with at IMDb:

Just got off the phone with Odd Lot. They are going to distribute the film themselves!!!???!!! Very limited
release coming up I think. No dates have been set yet,
but they are saying sometime this fall they will start
showing the movie. If you go to the "official website"
and log your e-mail address in, they will be mass
e-mailing everyone with the announcement this fall.

They couldn't tell me anything about a
college/university tour. That may not be in their
hands, I do not know.


Well, now! Ain't that interesting? Wonder what "very limited release" means? At least it probably bodes well for a DVD realease in the future!

hopefully,
honey!

REALLY? They're going to distribute it themselves? Is this TexasTactical person reliable, do you think? DETAILS! I NEED DETAILS!

Oh, man, I hope this is true. Even "very limited" is better than none at all. And, yes, I would think that would make the possibility of a DVD much more likely, too. :cool:

I think I'm suddenly on an adrenaline high, or something. :rolleyes:

One of the girls I know on LJ is an intern for Odd Lot -- I just asked her what she knew or could find out about this -- I'll let you guys know what she says.

One of the girls I know on LJ is an intern for Odd Lot -- I just asked her what she knew or could find out about this -- I'll let you guys know what she says.Meep. I'm holding my breath over here. :z:

(Conveyed by honeyelf) Just got off the phone with Odd Lot. They are going to distribute the film themselves! Hope is kindled! [Adds prayers to Bunnie's]

ylla wrote (of a potential moot involving her, Achila, ceefour, and myself):
Hey guys do you think we can all run out of the house together during a viewing of AiW ? YOU run out of the house. I’ll just stay inside and stare at the paused screen (“Wear a bib. . . .”).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/AIW79.jpg

(OK, OK -- I know that's not actually a scene from the movie.)

REALLY? They're going to distribute it themselves? Is this TexasTactical person reliable, do you think? DETAILS! I NEED DETAILS!

So far, in my dealings with him, he's been as reliable as he is opinionated! :D
I've invited him to come tell us what he knows....

I also got an e-mail from Erick Bright of Insignia PR. He says:
the movie will be coming to a theater near you sooner than you think.

Here's crossing all available appendages that he knows of what he speaks!

honey!

Things are beginning to sound promising for a Hooligans release here it seems. :D :)

YES!!!! :D :)

Here's crossing all available appendages that he knows of what he speaks!honey!

Crossing ALL appendages and seem to be drooling at same time. :D :D :D
saile

help :z: .......what is odd lot's web address??

saile, if you go to the official Hooligans website at

http://www.hooligansthefilm.com

you’ll see a “Sign up for e-mail updates” spot at the bottom of the “page.” I couldn’t get it to work, but I have trouble with the whole site, because of my primitive computer and slow dial-up connection.

The American Film Institute’s “100 greatest film quotes” was on TV last night. One of the films included was E.T. the Extraterrestrial (for “E.T. phone home,” of course). While watching some of the scenes from that film, it occurred to me (not for the first time) what a great Elliott the 10-year-old Elijah would have been (assuming the movie had been made a decade later than it was). Can’t you just imagine that little face in this scene, in place of Henry Thomas’s??

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/ET.jpg

(Maybe we could have a new category of photomanips, with Elijah's face inserted in film clips from roles he would have been good in.)

The American Film Institute’s “100 greatest film quotes” was on TV last night.We should add, Pelagia, that Elijah was actually shown twice on the show -- once in a scene with Gollum, whose "My precious" was Number 85 (and incidentally, LOTR was the only film on the list from the last 5 years, or so I thought -- that only hit me later so I could've missed one), and in a teaser clip before a commercial, in a shot from The Two Towers ("The next clip is from the only sequel to have won the Academy Award for Best Picture". Is it, "Lord of the Rings, The Two Towers", "The Godfather II" or xxx (another film, which I can't remember)).

BTW, there are some lovely new pics on patsie's LJ -- you must go look! She posted them yesterday.

Pelagia!! I had the same thought! Do we all look at the world through Elijah Wood glasses? Or how about EW calling, "Shane!" Your idea about photomanipulations sounds fun. But don't look at me to do it. "Are you looking at me?"

Achila, the third movie in your list was The Empire Strikes Back (The best of the series, IMHO.). You are correct that TTT was the most recently released movie to have a quote selected.

Did anybody watch the AFI George Lucas program on Monday? PJ spoke twice in taped interviews.

Patiently waiting to hear news of Hooligans release. All these different sources! I feel like I'm in the middle of Watergate again. "Can he confirm?" "What did he know and when did he know it?"

(Note to self: Stop watching quote shows.)

Ylla, a get-together would be fun. (We share the same occupation.)

Hi to all The Faculty!

C4

Achila, the third movie in your list was The Empire Strikes Back (The best of the series, IMHO.). You are correct that TTT was the most recently released movie to have a quote selected.Thanks, luv. And of course, the answer was The Godfather II, from the above question.

With all the iconic lines in LOTR, I find it interesting that the one they singled out was "My precious," which is spoken by a CG character, no less. My thought is that if they were to do this same show 10 years from now, some others might also end up on the list, as the films gain historic perspective, etc.

You could be right, Achila, that other lines from LOTR would be on a future list. Probably it would be "Nobody tosses a dwarf!" or "That still only counts as one!", or "It comes in pints?", not a Tolkien line of dialogue.

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ceefour wrote: I had the same thought! Do we all look at the world through Elijah Wood glasses? Or how about EW calling, "Shane!" And during the "Plastics!" scene from The Graduate, I could also envision him as Benjamin Braddock. Although, of course, he doesn't have Dustin Hoffman's nebbish-y quality, so the character would be quite different. And who would get to play Mrs. Robinson?? ;)

Thanks for the alert about Patsie's new pix, Achila. My, he looks sulky. Someone needs to go cheer him up. . . .

And during the "Plastics!" scene from The Graduate, I could also envision him as Benjamin Braddock. Although, of course, he doesn't have Dustin Hoffman's nebbish-y quality, so the character would be quite different. And who would get to play Mrs. Robinson??

I saw that movie for the first time a month or so ago and, of course, thought of Elijah. It might be an interesting challenge for him. He has that innocent quality that might make Mrs. Robinson come off even more predatious than she is, if the film were directed wrongly. I'd like to see Elijah play Benjamin as a little more knowing, maybe updating the role a bit that way? He's done the innocent setting out into the world as Jones. It would be fun to see him do a slightly more sophisticated take on Benjamin Braddock.

I saw that movie for the first time a month or so ago and, of course, thought of Elijah. If I remember correctly, didn't Lij once say that The Graduate was his favorite movie? This would be a great fit. And I would pay them to let me play Mrs. Robinson!!!

There was supposed to be a remake of The Graduate with Jennifer Aniston, which ended up about a woman who finds out the movie was based on her family (Rumor Has It, directed by Rob Reiner). Get this for coincidences? The "real-life" Benjamin? Is played by Kevin Costner :)

And who would get to play Mrs. Robinson?? ;)
Achila beat me to the punch on this one. Yes, somehow, I don't think filling that role would be a problem. ;)

I just sent an e-mail to Terry Gross begging that she consider interviewing Liev Schreiber and Elijah Wood on her NPR show "Fresh Air."

:eek:
honey!

I just sent an e-mail to Terry Gross begging that she consider interviewing Liev Schreiber and Elijah Wood on her NPR show "Fresh Air." Great minds think alike, Honey! I just hadn't gotten around to doing that, yet. ;) Maybe if enough of us request it, she'll be swayed? That would be fantastic!

Yeah! EW in The Graduate!

I had thought of that one, too, last year. But I think EW is a little too old for it, now -- but maybe not. Dustin Hoffman looked even older (I sure did get a crush on DH in that film - my first "dark-haired short guy" crush; Al Pacino in Serpico inspired my next one -- what a pint-sized, dripping-with-soulful-angst-and-righteous-indignation dish he was in that!).

I think it would be worth it, EW being in The Graduate, just to see him yelling, "ELAAAAAAIIIINEEEE!!!! ELAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIINE!!!!" in the penultimate scene, banging on the glass partition in the church's balcony, while she is exchanging vows with the repellent, "walking surfboard" fiancee; tears streaming down his sorrow-and-desperation-racked face (not just a tasteful one or two, like on the banks of the Anduin or outside Moria; "sexy crying," I believe, Dom Monaghan called it).

Oh, yes! He'd be GREAT!!!

~ Mechtild

Mechtild wrote: Yeah! EW in The Graduate! I had thought of that one, too, last year. But I think EW is a little too old for it, now -- but maybe not. Dustin Hoffman looked even older. I think Hoffman was actually around 30 when he did that movie -- not that much younger than Ann Bancroft (now gone :( ). Elijah would be fine, age-wise.

Another (less obvious) thought (also inspired by the AFI program) for a remake with EJW: the William Holden role in Sunset Boulevard. In this case, Elijah is younger than the original; but I think he would be very interesting. (And, following Achila's example, I'd pay them to let me play Norma Desmond.)

And then -- totally off the wall -- a redo of Some Like It Hot, with (ready for this?) Elijah and Orlando! (They would make gorgeous flappers, at any rate.) With Elijah in the rakish Tony Curtis role.

(I'm just playing around here, in the absence of any REAL Elijah roles or news. In general, I don't like the whole concept of remakes of classic films.)

honey, I think that "Fresh Air" would be a great forum for Liev and Elijah. Maybe they could get Jonathan on there, too.

And then -- totally off the wall -- a redo of Some Like It Hot, with (ready for this?) Elijah and Orlando! (They would make gorgeous flappers, at any rate.) With Elijah in the rakish Tony Curtis role.Do you know, that was the one that got ME thinking about Elijah in a remake....hmm....but actually, I imagined Lij as Jack Lemmon....heeehee

"sexy crying," I believe, Dom Monaghan called it
I read this as, "sex crying." I thought, yes, it is. :o :D

Achila wrote: but actually, I imagined Lij as Jack Lemmon.... That was my first thought. Which is one reason why I rejected it -- the rake would be something different for Elijah. Also, I can't very well see Orlando doing the Tony Curtis part; and Lij is a better actor. Although it would be fun to see Elijah dancing around the hotel room with those maraccas, or whatever they're called.

I think Elijah would be fabulous in The Graduate, as well. It would be interesting to see how it would be re-worked for today's audiences.

I seem to recall that Dustin Hoffman was about 26 (maybe 28?) at the time, and Anne Bancroft was all of 36. ;)

Pelagia posted:

Achila wrote:
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but actually, I imagined Lij as Jack Lemmon....
That was my first thought. Which is one reason why I rejected it -- the rake would be something different for Elijah. Also, I can't very well see Orlando doing the Tony Curtis part; and Lij is a better actor. Although it would be fun to see Elijah dancing around the hotel room with those maraccas, or whatever they're called.
Heavens! Some Like it Hot is one of my favourite films of all time. Even my teenaged daughter has grown to love it. Can you believe I wasn't allowed to see it when it came out? You had to be 16 and I was a little kid. I first saw it on TV as a teenager.

Last year, when we were playing "Remakes we would like to see EW in" on the TORc thread, I, too, had thought of EW for Jack Lemmon's role (Daphne) at first. But, when I mentally tried casting the other role, I immediately changed my mind. No. The perfect casting coup would be for Elijah to play the Curtis role and Dom Monaghan to play Jack Lemmon's. Imagine seeing Dom playing Daphne, doing the tango and rose-in-the-teeth exchange with Osgood Fielding III; getting his "breast" torn off, "again"; suffering torments in the traincar berth with Sugar (Marilyn Monroe) "warming him up" then all the women in the band piling in with them; or telling Osgood, still as Daphne, "And I can never have children..."

EW can already do an appropriately lame Cary Grant accent (as could be seen in his performance as the Artful Dodger :cool: ). And wouldn't he be a scream in the scene on the yacht, when Sugar is trying to get him to respond to her kissing skills? Remember Curtis's fogged-up glasses? "Remind me to donate $1,000,000 to the Milk Fund." And the bellhop who keeps trying to chat him up, snapping his bow tie and calling him, "doll;" telling him, "Yeah! That's how I like 'em; big and sassy!" Of course, that only worked because the bellhop was a dink and Curtis was tall. I suppose the bellhop could alter his line....

But, as was the case in the original film, I fear Dom/Daphne would steal the show.

~ Mechtild

Did you guys know that Robert won an award at Cannes for Sin City?! He won the Technical Grand Prize for the "visual shaping". I found this while on the IMDB looking at user's reviews for the film, and I'm simply stunned to see all the outpouring of "love" for Kevin. Almost all of the reviews mentioned that Kev was either their favorite character and/or how great Elijah was in the role and/or how far this portrayal was from Frodo. Of course, that tends to make me think -- once again -- of how much mileage this little part has gotten him. Incredible!

You know, it would be a really smart idea for Frank to write in a backstory for Kevin in Sin City 2, the way he's doing for Hartigan. This character really intrigues people and I'm willing to bet that Lij would LOVE to play Kevin again. Sounds like another petition! :D

Also of interest, over at Oscarwatch -- there are people naming him as a potential Best Supporting Actor nominee for Sin City. Now that would be a first -- to be nominated for being in a film for 5 minutes.

But, as was the case in the original film, I fear Dom/Daphne would steal the show.

Mech, I read this as I was goin' to bed last night. I immediately visualized those ears under a cloche hat and cracked up!

OT, but my husband says he doesn't "get" Dom; more to the point he doesn't understand how someone like Dom hooked up with someone like Evangeline Lilly. DH doesn't like "Katie" on LOST, but he can see plainly that EL is a beautiful woman! He goes on to list Dom's assemblage of odd features....Finally I say "It's just one of those mysterious cases of the whole being sexier than the sum of its parts, dear!" :lol:

Achila said: Also of interest, over at Oscarwatch -- there are people naming him as a potential Best Supporting Actor nominee for Sin City. Now that would be a first -- to be nominated for being in a film for 5 minutes.

:eek: Well, I dunno about that! I'd give it a snowball's chance in ....Basin City!

Besides which I'd be kind of insulted for dear Lij, who's Frodo deserved at least a nomination for said award, if not for best actor!

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So long as we're playing the "re-lij-make" game, how about a re-make of Psycho? Ooops! No, a different LoTR actor did that!...OK, how about a re-make of The Collector? hmmmmm...would EW be the collector or the collectee? ;)

honey!

Thank you Achila for the good news!!!! :k :k

A specelly the ones from Oscarwatch!!

Funny thou that they are talking so much after five minutes screen time
and not after three movies (trilogy) were he sort of hade the lead!!!!

Casn`t get it!!!

Well,, no one woulde be happier then me if he gets his nomination!!! :k :D


LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

OT, but my husband says he doesn't "get" Dom; more to the point he doesn't understand how someone like Dom hooked up with someone like Evangeline Lilly. Tell your husband he has nothing much to think about -- apparently, they didn't (hook up).

Re: Elijah's chances as BSA for Kevin -- :eek: Well, I dunno about that! I'd give it a snowball's chance in ....Basin City! Besides which I'd be kind of insulted for dear Lij, who's Frodo deserved at least a nomination for said award, if not for best actor! Well, if by some miracle (sorry, wood, honeyelf is right) this were to happen, you can imagine getting it for Kevin would be something of a consolation prize for getting nothing as Frodo -- the Academy sometimes works that way.

Achila, thanks for the info on Sin City's Cannes win. I had seen the list of winners of the big prizes, but not the others. And how brilliant of you to say: You know, it would be a really smart idea for Frank to write in a backstory for Kevin in Sin City 2, the way he's doing for Hartigan. Yes, and Elijah might even get some lines this time, if it turns out that Kevin's muteness isn't congenital, but resulted from some physical or psychic trauma.

You also wrote: Also of interest, over at Oscarwatch -- there are people naming him as a potential Best Supporting Actor nominee for Sin City. Now that would be a first -- to be nominated for being in a film for 5 minutes. I think other people have been nominated (and even won) for very brief performances. Beatrice Straight in Network sticks in my mind; and how much was Judy Dench actually in Shakespeare in Love (which I never saw because I can't stand Gwyneth Paltrow)? But at least in those performances, the few minutes were contiguous, I think; plus, the actors had dialogue.

BTW, I've been noticing that the "User Rating" for Hooligans over on IMDB has been creeping slowly but steadily upward, as more people have seen the movie. I remember that it was 6.2 a few weeks ago, and it's now at 6.7. Still too low, but moving in the right direction.

honeyelf wrote: OK, how about a re-make of The Collector? hmmmmm...would EW be the collector or the collectee? :lol: Oh, I love the idea of a remake of that with the sexes reversed! [Pelagia abandons her campaign to play Norma Desmond and begins to save her bribery money for the female version of the Terence Stamp role instead]

I know that if he by any little chance gets a nomination

it is a compansetion!!! :(

But i think it woulde be great anyway!!and please don`y get me wrong here!!

i think that all of us in here wants that to happened to him even if it
is a compansention!

WOOD

Hey everyone - go IMMEDIATELY to patsie's LJ -- Hooligans pics! Warning -- very bloody, however....

Forgive me for the following; but I was a survey researcher for 23 years, and I can’t help myself. I've highlighted the main points in red.) I just looked at the details on the IMDB User Rating for Hooligans. The 6.7 rating is a “weighted” average across 108 voters (more on weighting below). But the UNweighted average rating is 8.8. And when you look at the distribution of ratings, you see that 55% of voters gave the movie a 10 (the highest score), and another 20% gave it a 9. So three-fourths of the voters think it’s an excellent movie.

IMDB also breaks down the ratings by age and sex. The average rating among women is 9.0, and this doesn’t vary much by age. The average rating among men, by contrast, is only 5.5. However, men age 30-44 give it a rating of 7.5, and men over 44 give it a 9. So the older men rate the film about the same as women do. BUT men under 18 give an average rating of 5.9, while the average for the 18-29 age group is only 4.4.

Now, about weighting: IMDB doesn’t explain how they weight the votes; but typically, in survey research, you weight by the number of people in the total population segment that you’re talking about. For example, all other things being equal, you would weight women more heavily than men because there are more women in the US population, even if more men than women were actually covered by the survey. I don’t know how IMDB defines population here. But I’m wondering whether they are giving men in the 29-and-under age bracket more weight because this is, I believe, the biggest movie-going segment. And since these are the people who like the movie least, they are dragging down the overall rating. I don’t see any other way that IMDB could end up with a 6.7 weighted average, when three-fourths of voters rate the movie a 9 or 10.

And THAT, dear readers who have stuck with me through this admittedly rather tedious analysis (do you understand why I quit my job after 23 years??), may be another reason why the movie is having a hard time getting a US distributor: although it is wildly popular among women (and we have to assume that Elijah has something to do with this), it’s just not playing well in the demographic that distributors think make up most movie audiences.

NOTE: (I wrote this before Patsie's new pix -- thanks for the alert, Achila! -- drove all other thoughts out of my head. Oh, my goodness. . . . Those closeups. Even with the blood.)

And THAT, dear readers who have stuck with me through this admittedly rather tedious analysis

I, for one, found that fascinating. I had no idea imdb weighted their reviews, and I suspect you are quite right as to how they're weighting them. How annoying!

Also enjoying the Some Like It Hot speculations - chuckling over Mechtild's Dom comments - and second the idea of EW playing the narrator of Sunset Boulevard. And I've forgotten who said it, but IIRC they're right - EW did once say that The Graduate was one of his favorite flicks. :)

Sheryl

Pelagia, I am going to kiss you, and then punch someone right in the nose!

No wonder we get the same old drek time after time! If the brilliant analysts are aiming their movies towards immature male fantasies, yes, any movie that goes beyond that will find it hard slogging. ARGH!! (Mariole's version of " How annoying!"). It took them until well into TTT to figure out that women were HALF of the LOTR viewers; they just kept disregarding it before. Then all the silly number crunchers did a little jig-- women like it, too! :rolleyes:

I want my cat to yak up a hairball all over these people. Growl!

you can imagine getting it for Kevin would be something of a consolation prize for getting nothing as Frodo -- the Academy sometimes works that way.
Yup, that would be the only reason I could see this little, lineless part getting that kind of buzz: guilt! :rolleyes: at the Academy; I'm having my workout today!

(do you understand why I quit my job after 23 years??)


Absolutely!! :eek:
Thanks, Pelagia, for itemising IMDB's system of review weighting. Tsk. What a distortion in the end.

Achila, many thanks for the tip and the warning! OUCH! It's funny that his expression is completely contrary to his looks.

Elijah in a remake of Some like it hot? Yes, please! :lol:
Just imagine following dialogue between Dom and Elijah....

Josephine: You've gotta keep telling yourself: you're a boy.
Daphne: I'm a boy?
Josephine: You're a boy.
Daphne: I'm a boy.
Josephine: That's the boy.
Daphne: Oh boy, am I a boy.


Happy Birthday, SandCastles :)! Are you still around?
Since your birthday is pretty close to Summer solstice, I thought a SandHenge would fit even better than a SandCastle ;) :

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Well done, Pelagia! I wondered about that, after looking at the scores and so on.

I just posted all the Kevin snippets from the IMDB user reviews at my LJ -- aquila0212. So mosey on over if you feel like having a look.

Yes, Whiteling, I'm still here. :) Just lurking for now. Since I first spoke up here I seem to have been suffering from the Internet equivalent of stage fright or fear of public speaking. Hopefully I'll get over it eventually and rediscover how to articulate intelligently about life, the universe, and Elijah Wood. :)

Thanks for the birthday wishes! That picture of "SandHenge" is pretty cool. :)

a re-make of Psycho?....The Collector

Yes! My thoughts exactly! :D

That new B&W pic is definitely Norman Bates-ish..Very Norman Bates-ish. And he would be amazing in The Collector, too.

He does creepy-sad-evil villain very well!

And while I could do without most of the rest of Sin City I would love to learn Kevin's history in one of Robert's sequals.

Achila – Thanks for collecting the Kevin raves for us. Truly a scholarly endeavor. (How do you record that on your timesheet?? ;) ) The one that made me chuckle: And Elijah Wood had such a cool creepy character that I actually dislike him a little less!
Mariole wrote: No wonder we get the same old drek time after time! If the brilliant analysts are aiming their movies towards immature male fantasies, yes, any movie that goes beyond that will find it hard slogging. This also explains much of what is in the multiplexes. And look at it this way: Hooligans doesn’t seem to screen well with the young-male segment in the US, possibly because it’s too “foreign.” The analysts probably assume that women won’t want to see it because it’s violent, and (gasp) there’s no romantic element. So, in their minds, where’s the audience??

(A bit of a rant, here) I really don’t think that the marketers understand women’s movie-going behavior. One of the operative assumptions, for years, has been that women will accompany their husbands/boyfriends to see a “guy flick,” but men won’t return the favor by going along to a “chick flick” (I’m using these terms very loosely). So, in theory, the “guy flick” automatically has a much bigger audience than the “chick flick.” First of all, I don’t think this is accurate. I know men who go with their wives/girlfriends to "women’s" movies, and enjoy them. Or, you can have the kind of deal that two of my best friends have worked out: she goes to see Batman Begins and in return, her husband comes along to see The Upside of Anger, for example.) But in addition, women do go to the movies without men. I remember that everyone was surprised at how well Titanic did; and much of the reason for its success was the huge repeat business, part of which consisted of groups of girls going to see it together repeatedly. And this behavior goes beyond “chick flicks” to the likes of LotR, Gladiator, etc. (End of rant)

whiteling, just to clarify: I don’t know how IMDB weights their ratings. I’m just hypothesizing. They say that they weight to reduce the risk of “ballot-box stuffing,” but there must be some objective rationale for the weights.

Happy birthday, SandCastles! Even though you’re just lurking, you still deserve a picture:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/flipper-caps-004.jpg

Pelagia and Achila, I just read on TORN that BB is singing with the Pittsburgh Symphony's LOTR on July 22 and 23. :eek: Dare we hope? :z: He needs to practice, doesn't he?

Happy Birthday, Sandcastles!

Hi to all The Faculty!

C4

Happy Birthday, Sandcastles! :k :k :k

Hope you get to frolick on your special day!
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Achila said:Tell your husband he has nothing much to think about -- apparently, they didn't (hook up).

:confused: Didn't I read somewhere that Dom and Evangeline are engaged? Surely I didn't dream that! Was it a 'dommish' prank?

Pelagia, thanks for all that lovely mathy stuff! :eek: I'm speaking from my own experience here, but I wonder if part of the difference between men and women, is that some of the women who have seen it went out of their way to do so. That would have pre-disposed them to like it? But I am mightly intrigued that the 40+ men (hubby's demographic) who have seen it have liked it so much!

My husband belongs to a UFO group ("Unfettered Film Observers") of male friends who go to movies w/out their wives. They usually choose movies that they're wives aren't interested in seeing. You'd be surprised at the variety of movies they've taken in! They've seen Being Julia, and that one about the ballet troupe that was out last winter!

Sorry about all the talk of my husband today! He's out of town on business, and I guess I'm missing him more than I expected too!

honey!

:confused: Didn't I read somewhere that Dom and Evangeline are engaged?Oh, those naughty tabloids! They're not.

And as for the question Pelagia asked me, about what I put on my timesheet for today's "research" -- ADMIN!

Achila said: Oh, those naughty tabloids! They're not.

:: hands on hips - foot tapping floor ::

Ahem! I'll have you know that I never read tabloids! I read it on the 'Net, so it must be true! ;)

Rats! I thought they made a kind of cute, if slightly mis-matched - couple!

honey!

ETA: I use this key ! too much.

Rant on, Pelagia. I love it!

I am mightly intrigued that the 40+ men (hubby's demographic) who have seen it have liked it so much!
I think by this age, men are more able to appreciate mature themes. I think the young ones just want to look "cool" or macho or whatever. But a mature man has let go of that nonsense, just as a mature woman does. So he can see a flick promoting the nonsensicalness of violence, and say, "Yeah, it's pretty stupid," as opposed to a younger man, who just wants to "win" the fight so he doesn't look bad.

After a sentence like this, SandCastles, can you really have a fear of public speaking? :p Good to see you.

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no need for words......



saile :D :D :D

Finally heard from the person I know who's an intern at Odd Lot -- she said, "Something's definitely going on with Hooligans but I'm not sure exactly what. When I'm at work on Monday, I'll try to find out." So stay tuned.

Achila, thanks for the Odd Lot update. I wondered what had happened to that rumor. Between this, and the hope that (as ceefour suggests) Billy might need to "rehearse" here in Philadelphia before his appearance in the LotR Symphony in Pittsburgh, I'm running out of crossable body parts.

honeyelf wrote: I'm speaking from my own experience here, but I wonder if part of the difference between men and women, is that some of the women who have seen it went out of their way to do so. That would have pre-disposed them to like it? I think that anyone who went to see Hooligans had to go out of his or her way to do so, since it's played at only, what, five festivals in the US? And I agree with Mariole's suggestion on why the movie seems to go over better with older men than with younger ones.

I wonder also whether Elijah's presence in the film might be a drawback for at least part of the young-male demographic. There seems to be a lot of animosity against him in this segment, if some of the things I've read online are any indication. Achila, I think we've talked about this, and about the fact that it may be because Elijah in many ways seems to challenge so many of the societal norms that these guys have been brought up with, about what constitutes "masculine" behavior, and what women find attractive in a man, in terms of both physical and personal characteristics. I vividly remember reading one online rant by a young man who was incensed because Elijah, in his films, kept winning such "hot" girls as Leelee Sobieski, and whoever played Delilah in The Faculty, even though he was (in that writer's completely unhumble opinion) a total dweeb. Kevin may have begun to break down attitudes like this, but Matt is a very different kind of character -- back in Elijah's sensitive-young-man tradition.

Add me to the list of people with body parts crossed for Hooligans distribution. I don't want to wait as long as I did for Chain of Fools, and while I'll download it if I have to, I much prefer to see it on the big theatre screen than on my computer screen. And I don't want to have to wait years to buy a legit copy. (When oh when will they get rid of that stupid Region 1 Region 2 coding?)

BTW, after our recent KD outage, I wanted to draw your attention to Moggy's new announcement at the top of the main Cafe page about how we can help out the site. :)

collected while making my usual daily rounds:

On AICN, the boys were discussing the casting of the Joker for the upcoming Batman Begins sequel. On the Talkback, one of them suggested Elijah to play "a really scary Two-Face". Today's episode brought to you by the letter Kevin...
I could see it working with Glover or Brody or Coombs (oh my). Theroux, not so much. I DO like Jason Lee as the Riddler. I also like Ed Norton. But what I think I'd really like to see is a damned scary Two-Face -- and, maybe I'm a nut (well, okay, if you've heard my music you know I AM a nut), but you know who might pull it off? Elijah Wood.
Second item -- on Oscarwatch, Elijah's name was mentioned as a potential Golden Globe nominee for EII (Best Actor in a Musical or Comedy). Now, I don't know where they get the idea that EII will really be a comedy but what the hey...

BEST ACTOR COMEDY OR MUSICAL
Matthew Broderick, THE PRODUCERS
Nathan Lane, THE PRODUCERS
Bill Murray in BROKEN FLOWERS
Joaquin Phoenix, WALK THE LINE
Elijah Wood, EVERYTHING IS ILLUMINATED

ceefour! I had not even noticed this note:

Pelagia and Achila, I just read on TORN that BB is singing with the Pittsburgh Symphony's LOTR on July 22 and 23. Dare we hope? He needs to practice, doesn't he?
B. Boyd singing his bit in person? Oh, heavenly glory! They did not include Pippin's song in the program at the Pittsburgh LotR.

~ Mechtild

Apologies for being a day late, Sandcastles!

BELATED BIRTHDAY WISHES! (http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/Sandcastles.gif)

I hope you had a lovely day! :)

I love the idea of Elijah and Dom in a re-make of 'Some Like It Hot.'

Just imagine following dialogue between Dom and Elijah....

Josephine: You've gotta keep telling yourself: you're a boy.
Daphne: I'm a boy?
Josephine: You're a boy.
Daphne: I'm a boy.
Josephine: That's the boy.
Daphne: Oh boy, am I a boy.

I can picture them now, Whiteling! :lol: If only....

Tg - Sorry to hear about your internet access problems. I hope you'll be back with us soon. :)

Still nothing from Grumpy?!

Ylla - your little Frodo is a sweetheart! :k - and his mum is lovely, too! :) He is the image of our old (sadly, now departed) cat, Spike, who was just four months old when he came to us, and lived to a ripe old age. I hope your little Frodo has a long and happy life! Btw, it was me who made that 'Too Lost In You,' behind-the-scenes music video. Thanks for your kind words - I'm so glad you like it. :)

Blossom, Whiteling's bit of screenplay from Some Like it Hot urged me to look it up. This is a scene I would love to see Dom play as Daphne, with someone as good as Marylin Monroe as Sugar:

On the train with the all-girl's band on its way to Florida, after everyone's asleep, Sugar climbs into Daphne's bunk to talk, "just us girls." She's in a babydoll negligee, Daphne in a flannel night gown, wig, etc. Sugar crawls under the covers, snuggling up behind the smitten but sleeping "Daphne" (Gerry).

Sugar: DAPHNE?

Daphne: RARR...

S: DAPHNE?

D: SUGAR!

S: THANK YOU FOR COVERING UP FOR ME. YOU'RE A REAL PAL.

D: OH...IT'S NOTHING. I, UH...

S: I JUST THOUGHT THAT US GIRLS SHOULD STICK TOGETHER. IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU, THEY WOULD HAVE KICKED ME OFF. I'D BE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, SITTING ON MY UKULELE.

D: OH, IT'S FREEZING OUTSIDE. WHEN I THINK ABOUT YOU AND YOUR UKULELE...

S: IF THERE'S ANYTHING I CAN DO FOR YOU...

D: I CAN THINK OF A MILLION THINGS. [she snuggles him] THAT'S ONE OF 'EM.

S: SHH! SWEET SUE.

D: UH-OH.

S: I DON'T WANT HER TO KNOW WE'RE IN CAHOOTS.

D: WELL, WE WON'T TELL ANYBODY... NOT EVEN JOSEPHINE.

S: MAYBE I BETTER STAY HERE UNTIL SHE GOES BACK TO SLEEP.

D: STAY AS LONG AS YOU LIKE.

S: I'M NOT CROWDING YOU, AM I?

D: NO, IT'S NICE AND COZY.

S: WHEN I WAS LITTLE, ON COLD NIGHTS, I WOULD CRAWL INTO BED WITH MY SISTER. WE'D CUDDLE UP UNDER THE COVERS AND PRETEND WE WERE LOST IN A CAVE AND TRYING TO GET OUT. [demonstrates accordingly]

D: HA HA HA! VERY INTERESTING.

S: ANYTHING WRONG?

D: NO, NO. NOT A THING.

S: YOU POOR THING, YOU'RE TREMBLING ALL OVER.

D: OH, THAT'S RIDICULOUS!

S: YOUR HEAD'S HOT.

D: RIDICULOUS.

S: YOU'VE GOT COLD FEET.

D: ISN'T THAT RIDICULOUS?

S: LET ME WARM THEM UP. THERE, ISN'T THAT BETTER?

D: YES. I'M A GIRL...

S: WHAT?

D: I'M A VERY SICK GIRL.

S: I BETTER GO BEFORE I CATCH SOMETHING.

D: I'M NOT THAT SICK.

:p

Oh, Mechtild!! :lol: Brilliant! Thank you :k I want to see THAT.


(When oh when will they get rid of that stupid Region 1 Region 2 coding?)
On our little Faculty meet last weekend we could nor watch Serena's Huck Finn DVD (I would have loved to hear the director's commentary! My Huck Finn DVD lacks this feature.) nor the Oliver Twist DVD (only for research purposes, ahem, checking Elijah's Cockney accent in that one...). :mad: I mean, really - the Faculty is definitely fraught with more international spirit than the DVD industry. :p


BTW, I got finally the chance to see All I Want :).
- Possible spoilers till end of post -
I thought it was a bit lame, to tell the truth. But I liked it better than I had expected (I read most of the spoilers in here). Jones remains somewhat bland throughout the movie, but well, that's part of the story. I could relate to his development, though: Putting away his boyish/childish fantasies for a real idea of life in the end. To let them go and to shut a door, to turn around and leaving was an apt image for this step. Finally he actually lives the "2 B". - I also liked the image of his huge bulky trunk - it respesented a burden, remainings of a never known father, filled only with fantasies on him. All that initial pulling of that trunk seemed like a bizarre ancestor worship to me. It rather immobilised Jones, making him klutzy and slow. - I always enjoy seeing Franka Potente in English films, it is very interesting. I'm following her career since I saw her very first movie in 1995. It was a charming little film on coming-of-age and she was refreshing and natural in it. - Elijah's acting in AIW is not inebriant, but I think it is exactly spot on for Jones. His comedy timing was OK, I thought, but as a whole I found the timing of the film not convincing. Hubby and I viewed the film in two parts. When I noticed that we only watched 35 minutes in the first go, I was astonished. I had felt much longer.
Have to watch it again. Oh, the agony :D!

whiteling, if you’ve read any of the past Faculty discussion of All I Want (and you probably have), you may remember that the group really splits on this one (as it also does on Paradise, IIRC). ylla and I are among the AIW defenders – not that we’re claiming greatness for it, but it’s entertaining, and Franka is good, and Elijah got to do something completely different, for him. And besides, he’s just so (here comes that word again) cute. I mean, LOOK at this (also more evidence that he should go back to his own hair color):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/AIW43.jpg

As I’ve said here before, my biggest source of dissatisfaction is the ending, which I think is REALLY lame.

Mechtild, I had forgotten until you mentioned it, but they didn’t include Pippin’s song (or any of the “Steward of Gondor” track) in Philadelphia last year, either. I wonder whether it has been added to the symphony just for Pittsburgh this July, or what’s going on.

Narya, thanks for directing us to Moggy’s announcement.

Blossom, Whiteling's bit of screenplay from Some Like it Hot urged me to look it up. This is a scene I would love to see Dom play as Daphne, with someone as good as Marylin Monroe as Sugar:
I did a bit of searching over at Brandy Hall for a pic of Dom in his adorable platinum blonde wig (Geoff going undercover as a young lady on Hetty Wainthropp). Didn't have much time to look, though, and couldn't find one.

Thanks to a 50-foot telephone cord from Radio Shack, I now have internet connection at home--the cord starts in the only phone jack in the apartment (in the livingroom), goes down a short hallway and into the kitchen, where there's a grounded outlet for the computer/surge protector. If I were planning to be in the apartment longer than several months, I might try to do something more permanent, but this was cheap and fast.

Being in a constant state of hot and tired (except when at the office, where I'm just tired), I've been working mostly on a non-Frodo website that needs totally mindless attention at this point. But I did manage to get one Frodo-related essay (http://www.frodolivesin.us/id296.htm) to the point where I think it can be called finished, and add a few more EJW-related webpage backgrounds (http://www.frodolivesin.us/graphics/id2.htm). I don't think there will be anything more for June.

TG!!!!!!!! Welcome home!!!!! We missed you! :k

whiteling, if you’ve read any of the past Faculty discussion of All I Want (and you probably have), you may remember that the group really splits on this one (as it also does on Paradise, IIRC). ylla and I are among the AIW defenders – not that we’re claiming greatness for it, but it’s entertaining, and Franka is good, and Elijah got to do something completely different, for him. And besides, he’s just so (here comes that word again) cute.
Yes, I kept in mind while watching AIW that this is a film where the opinions beg to differ. I found myself wondering why some people didn't like it at all (but then, I am one of those who don't buy the Paradise characterisations). IMHO, it wasn't the fault of the actors. Franka makes a very believable Jane, and Elijah's Jones is convincing. I had the feeling that there were certain parts in the story that could have been more emphasised, that would have helped the characters to flesh out more. But, without question, Elijah looked absolutely gorgeous in that film, and cute, and ...*sigh* - hey, he had plenty of screentime. (Verrry satisfying! ;) )


TG!!! Welcome back! :k

TG Shaw, this is a bit off-topic but if memory serves me you were trying at one time to keep the literary Tolkien thread at the Green Dragon going. There's nothing much happening there now, apart from the quote game, but if you have the time and inclination to engage in literary-type discussions of Frodo and the other characters, and would like to revive those threads, I'd love to join in. I've had a heavy workload until recently and haven't been able to come here as much as I'd like, but I'll have more free time now.

One discussion topic that occurred to me recently isn't exactly literary, and doesn't really fit in here either, but I don't know where else to address it. Here in Canada we are going to have a musical version of LOTR next year, which will mean a new actor offering his own interpretation of Frodo. (I don't know who has been cast for this yet.) 2006 is a long way away, but I already feel quite curious about it. As far as I know, this will only be the second time in history that this character has been portrayed in a live-action adaptation. (I think the others have all been voice-work only: ie Ian Holm on BBC radio, Christopher Guard in the Bakshi cartoon, whoever-it-was in the Rankin Bass animation). Unless there have been any other stage versions over the years that I might have missed?

tg, we've missed you! Were you hors de Web during the temporary flight of the Faculty to Yahoo Groups?

And is this the wig you were talking about??

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/Dominwig.jpg

(Now, can somebody photomanip Elijah into a flapper? ;) )

Welcome back, TG! Lovely site updates. I really loved "the day-after-the-Party Frodo" essay. I agree with your analysis of the young Frodo, and am very pleased with the Bilbo-Frodo relationship when viewed in this light. I just adored the scenes of Frodo with Bilbo, perhaps because they did have that very bookish feel to them. :)

I'm running out of crossable body parts.
I'd cross my eyes, but it makes it hard to type. :p

I vividly remember reading one online rant by a young man who was incensed because Elijah, in his films, kept winning such "hot" girls as Leelee Sobieski, and whoever played Delilah in The Faculty, even though he was (in that writer's completely unhumble opinion) a total dweeb.
Hooray! If enough young men see that you don't have to buy into this ultra-violent sexist crap to be "sexy," I think we'd have a happier world. It's too bad that Kevin is thought to be so cool. Well, we can but try. Expose those little brain-washed minds to something a little different, and hope some of it soaks in. :z:

AIW follow-up:

IMHO, it wasn't the fault of the actors. Franka makes a very believable Jane, and Elijah's Jones is convincing.
My personal belief is that the screenplay needed a mature pair of eyes (or at least some very experienced eyes) to complete it. As it stands, it is bursting with symbolism, but I think in the excitement of producing all that symbolism, this first-time screenwriter (it was his first, yes?) emphasized that to the detriment of the rest of the story. So it just didn't ring true. I think it needed to go that extra step to make the outside story more engaging and believable. So yes, it was a fine part, I suppose, but I don't think the characters were ever fully realized in the initial visualization, so there was only so much that could be accomplished with the acting talent. JMVHO. :)

It's too bad that Kevin is thought to be so cool.

This was the part about Sin City that really bothered me. If I had not been seeing the film with the intention of watching Elijah, I would have come out of the cinema without having really noticed Kevin at all. He seemed almost characterless to me, with no heart, soul, or even a purpose other than to be sickningly violent. On the other hand, I found myself relating to Marv, despite his ultra-violent behaviour, because he reached out to me on some emotional level as well. The film itself didn't make me feel sick, but the realization that there were going to be sectors of the viewing audience only there because of the fighting and Jessica Alba's raunchy dancing bothered me. The thought that young men are going to get hold of a Sin City video game and role play the part of Kevin is to me creepier than Kevin himself.

Away from that, I am so glad that there is the picture of Dom in his blond wig out there somewhere. I had a video of the episode where he goes in drag, tottering about in high gheels and mini skirt, and I made a DVD copy of the clip, as I was sure that there would be Dom fans out there who wouldn't want to miss it. I think we managed to put it onto the computer, but I didn't (and still don't) however have the expertease to take it any further.

Going back to the topic of leading man good looks that was brought up a few pages back, I showed a music video celebrating Dom and Elijah's friendship to a work colleague, and as soon as she saw Dom she went 'Wow, there's something about him, I really like him'. I obviously grilled her as to why she preferred Dom, and she described Elijah as too perfect looking. His perfection was for her a turn off, whereas Dom's lopsided features set her heart racing.

Glad you enjoyed AIW, Whiteling. I have put it on several times while ironing or sewing, and it has grown on me. I always see the films at surface value until someone here prompts me to look a little deeper, and I had never though of the symbolism of his huge trunk. I will just have to watch it again now with a different perspective ;)

I obviously grilled her as to why she preferred Dom, and she described Elijah as too perfect looking. His perfection was for her a turn off, whereas Dom's lopsided features set her heart racing.
I guess I can sort of understand that, Skater girl. I guess it's a) because Dom's less perfect looking, he seems more accessible and b) no one wants to date a man who's prettier than they are!

b) no one wants to date a man who's prettier than they are!
*instantly volunteers* :k

LOL! I couldn't really, but just because of the difference in age and tastes, not because of looks. I could suck up to enduring an adorable date. :D

b) no one wants to date a man who's prettier than they are!OK -- a lot of women wouldn't want to date a man who's prettier than they are. Better? ;)

Pelagia--That, indeed, is the wig. It's even more "platimum" than I remembered! :D

Aravir--I've pulled up Hobmom's "Heart, Mind, and Soul of Frodo" thread in the Green Dragon on occasion, especially when we've had a discussion come up here that goes more into the book than fits the Faculty Lounge. But it's never been something ongoing. I think if it were going to catch on at KD it would have by now. I still have it on my agenda to look at adding a small forum at frodolivesin.us. Part of it would be something like an "All Frodo, All the Time" area where you didn't have to worry about whether you were talking about book-Frodo, movie-Frodo(s), musical-Frodo, or what/whoever, or a combination/comparison of any of the above. (Also other JRRT and EJW possibilities, of course.) If the forum didn't get too large, it wouldn't add to my hosting fee, so it wouldn't really matter if it didn't get used much. At least it would give me a place to spout off without having to write a whole essay. :haha: And it would be easier for multiple people to join in than if I started a blog.

But not right now :( . These continuous days of 90+ heat and humidity really have me drained--no air conditioning in this old building I live in now. Makes it hard to do much (or think much :rolleyes: ). I keep finding out more and more about how this rental outfit is run that would make me really angry if I wasn't gonig to be moving in a few months, anyway (and if I had enough energy to get angry). I pity the poor suckers who are buying condos from them.

Anyway, I know I'm not responding to a lot of comments--even to the welcome back's :k . If I'm not here as much as usual for awhile, it's not anything to do with the Faculty--just with being hot and tired and kind of stressed out.

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ETA --

from Achila:
OK -- a lot of women wouldn't want to date a man who's prettier than they are. Better?
Oh, much better, I think. :) We wouldn't want to get into generalizations here ;) .

Achila wrote: OK -- a lot of women wouldn't want to date a man who's prettier than they are. What immediately came to my mind was that line from a song (is it called "Sadie"?) from Funny Girl: "To tell the truth, it hurt my pride/The groom was prettier than the bride."

tg: Poor you, with no air conditioning in this heat and humidity! We are having the same thing here in southeast PA, and even with my environmental conscience, I'd give up my car before I'd give up my AC. I hope you have fans. And drink lots of water. Here's something to help you cool off. Or then again -- maybe not. . . .

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/flipper-caps-022.jpg

:cool:

Tg
These continuous days of 90+ heat and humidity really have me drained--no air conditioning in this old building I live in now. Makes it hard to do much (or think much ).
Oh you poor thing !! You have my sympathies with this one...I am totally useless in any temperature over eighty degrees, particularly in the UK, where air conditioning is about as rare as gold-dust...fortunately for me, our marvellous new store comes equipped with the best air-conditioning, but not, however, in the display windows, which along with the spotlights, can reach well over 110 degrees on a sunny day, especially the ones facing the King's Road, ( even though they don't get direct sunlight due to our canopy at the front )... when it is a window-change day, we all pray for rain !!

AravirHere in Canada we are going to have a musical version of LOTR next year
This musical is the same one that was started off in the UK, wasn't it ?
I must admit to having second, third, and fourth thoughts about whether such an undertaking could, or even should, take place....I seem to remember we had a discussion here at the time when it was announced, and the general consensus of opinion, was one of absolute doubt ( can you have absolute doubt ?...oh well !! ) When it does come to the stage, in all its glory, I shall be very interested to know whether it is successful or an absolute pig's ear...

Well, you lovely ladies of the Faculty, I have just returned from the most marvellous holiday in Vienna, Prague, and Cesky Krumlov, down in the south of the Czech Republic, and, let me tell you if this is where most of "Everything is Illuminated" was filmed, we are in for a total treat...it is absolutely beautiful...and the Old Town centre of Prague is totally stunning...Oh my, I thought that parts of the UK were old, but we have nothing that matches Prague, in the Medieval stakes...
I have just written the first account of our travels in Vienna and Prague, accompanied by links to loads of photos, in my brand new Live Journal...if anyone would like to have a read and a photo tour around Prague city-centre, just to see where Elijah et al were filming, just PM me and I shall send you the link...
(It's worth it, believe me !! :D )

TG Shaw, I'm sorry to hear about your lack of air conditioning. The heat's absolutely brutal where I am, too -- it was close to a hundred degrees yesterday, with humidity on top of that, and I am very grateful my house now has central air conditioning. I really don't know how I managed without it, because in this kind of extreme heat I too find it very hard to concentrate. Here's hoping the weather breaks soon for all of us!

Lady Wendy, when I first heard about the musical I had serious reservations about it. But now that it's debuting in Toronto I'm hoping it's a hit, if only because our local economy has been in such a slump lately. The fans who organized The Gathering of the Fellowship here in 2003 are planning another one for 2006, with tickets to the musical as their main attraction, so for their sake, too, I would like to see it succeed. I do wonder if it's wise to do this stage version so soon after Peter Jackson's films. But at least everyone's now familiar with the story, so there'll be no need to explain hobbits and ents to the audience. And this message board may enjoy comparing and contrasting stage-Frodo with film-Frodo!!

Tg, I'm so very sorry about your crummy landlords and the heat. I have no AC myself. So far I've been blessed with a mild year (nothing in the 90s yet). When it climbs over 92, I seem to shut down, as far as wanting to think or write. So it's tough.

it would be something like an "All Frodo, All the Time" area where you didn't have to worry about whether you were talking about book-Frodo, movie-Frodo(s), musical-Frodo, or what/whoever, or a combination/comparison of any of the above.
That sounds like a splendid idea, actually. Although I hope we still can carry on rather wandering conversations here. :)

can you have absolute doubt ?...
LOL! I don't know, but it sounds good! If the musical comes anywhere near my neck of the woods, I'll be tempted to go. It's got to be an experience, even if it ends up barking on all fours. I look forward to discussing it, however it turns out. Cheers.

Here's hoping the weather breaks soon for all of us!
I keep checking the 10-day forecast, hoping to see a break (hey, it's June, not August!), but the best so far are a couple of days where it's forecast to be "only" 88. At least I'll be at my mom's for 4th of July weekend. And it does seem to be a done deal that I'll be moving to Fort Dodge at the end of September.

Lady Wendy, I'll add display window dressers to road construction workers on my list of people to pity in this kind of weather. But, as the "state motto" of Iowa says, "It's good for the corn!" :haha: (Iowa's state motto is really "Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain," but you hear the unofficial one a lot more often when it's hot and humid. ;) )

I do wonder if it's wise to do this stage version so soon after Peter Jackson's films. But at least everyone's now familiar with the story, so there'll be no need to explain hobbits and ents to the audience. And this message board may enjoy comparing and contrasting stage-Frodo with film-Frodo!!
My guess is that Saul Zaentz is using the opportunity to run with the musical while the movies are still in the public consciousness. Most of all, I hope the music is good. It's so integral to the story, and we do have the song cycle by Donald Swann (I think that's his name?) that was "approved" by Tolkien, so there is some basis for how he'd interpret it.

Whiteling somehow beat me to the punch ;) , but there are a few new pages of Paint Shop pictures available: Huck, Mikey, and some more Casey. Warning that some of them take a very long time to download. I've put in a more-or-less permanent easter egg on the Guest Book page (http://www.frodolivesin.us/Pics/): just click on the EII "hands" pic. I cropped that picture originally because I thought just the hands of the three characters said so much about them.

Ooops, sorry, Tg :o ;) !

Speaking with Goethe:

Ich ging im Walde
So für mich hin,
Und nichts zu suchen,
Das war mein Sinn.

I was walking in the woods
Just on a whim of mine,
And seeking nothing,
That was my intention.

... I stumbled across your clever easter egg quite by accident. A very nice easter egg, I must say. :)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/Flipper.jpg

Here's another refreshing picture... :cool: (Screencap by courtesy of Undone27)


P.S. Pelagia, that Dom picture :lol:

Hi everyone!!!

Sorry to hear about your problem TG !!!!!NO cooling pictures
from me just this DRINK LOTS OF WATER!!!!!!! :k :k

mmmm those pictures diden`t cool me of!!!! :D :p

Well, finally i have seen Black and White!! thanks skatergirl !! :k
What a strange movie!!!!What on earth was he thinking of doing that one??
He looked like he diden`t want to be there!
when the movie bagan i thought it was a pornmovie!! :lol: :lol:

have just one qustien thou,Is there any one who hade a closer look on the kissing part at the end??we do have discussed his kissing in here haven`t we???
or have i dreamed about it?? :D

WOOD

(((TG))) I'm glad to see you back, even if you have been melted down by the unkind heat and sucked through a 50 foot telephone cord to get here! ;)

I hope the weather improves for all Faculty members, where ever they are. Though with all the pictures that have been posted here lately, is a global hot-flash really such a surprise? :eek:

Well it's kind OT, but I'm not the one who brought it up :haha: so here goes. A few months ago I saw a little video on the web about the upcoming Toronto musical. (Sorry I can't provide a link, but I can't find it again! :( )What glimpses we got of the direction they are taking both the art and the music in were fascinating.

They were using combined Scandanavian, and South Sea island influences in the music IIRC. Even if I never get to see the show, I'll probably end up owning the soundtrack, just because I like unusual music.

There was one clip of a black rider proto-type, an amazing puppet/stilt sort of hybrid that has left me very much wanting to see what they will come up with for the Balrog, and Shelob.

But on the negative side, I wonder how they'll fit the whole story into three, or even four hours with out having it feel rushed and shallow?

I also worry about the art direction, becuase in the vid I saw they talked of wanting to have the production feel like nothing you'd ever seen before so that you'd know you were in a completely different place and time. It seems like Tolkien himself might object to that goal, having based his languages and cultures on ones that shaped our current world.

Part of the reason that the movies workes so well for many book-lovers, I think, was that they stuck with that idea by borrowing so heavily from John Howe and Alan Lee's art work. With the exception of The Hobbit, I'd never read the books when I sat down to view FoTR, but I'd seen enough of the artwork that those first shots of Hobbiton felt almost like ancestral memory, managing to be both foreign, and very, very familiar at once.

Casting will be an interesting challenge. Since they seem to be going out of their way to avoid the look, sound and feel of the movies, I expect they'll stick to that theme when they start casting the actors. I'll be awfully surprised, if Frodo has big blue eyes! ;)

Having said all that, I'm trying to find an opprotune moment to start working on hubby regarding a future trip to Toronto! ;) Or is it all of you I should start working on, for a Faculty moot?

honey!

Happy birthday, Narya Celebrian!

(“Now, how am I going to get out of this bloody mine in time for the party??”)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/mithril.jpg

HAPPY BIRTHDAY NARYA!!!!

Here comes a guy who wantes to joyn the party !!!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/erendil/pic2.jpg


LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

(first one didn't show up so if it does, I'll delete this)

Happy Birthday, Narya -- oh mod to the stars. Thanks for all you do around here to keep us on the straight and narrow.

In other news, I found this amusing (from here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/news/altnews/050627_glasto.shtml)

Radio 1's entertainment news reporter Biggy Smale was backstage at Glasto chatting to the bands and watching them rock out on stage.


Some of Briggy's highlights were: Primal Scream being told to finish by security because they were over-running; Basement Jaxx doing a drum 'n' bass version of 'Ace Of Spades' and Coldplay doing 'Can't Get You Out Of My Head' in honour of Kylie.

Kasabian was a big favourite too and they put on a high-energy show. The lads played a new track that features on Elijah Wood's new film:

"'The Stuntman' is going to be on a film pretty soon, which is nice."

"The geezer from the 'Lord Of The Rings' is in it. It's a football film, but there's not going to be a lot of football being watched in it. It's called 'Hooligan'."

"Frodo plays a bad-ass Stone Island warrior, one of the West Ham boys. He's in a black leather Stone Island coat and gives it hell."

"It's incredible really, to be on a film like that. I'm not glorifying football violence, I just think it's amazing we got our song on a film like that. I think it's great, and he's a hobbit

Geezer?!

Well, finally i have seen Black and White!! thanks skatergirl !! :k
What a strange movie!!!!What on earth was he thinking of doing that one??
He looked like he diden`t want to be there!
when the movie bagan i thought it was a pornmovie!! :lol: :lol:

have just one qustien thou,Is there any one who hade a closer look on the kissing part at the end??we do have discussed his kissing in here haven`t we???
or have i dreamed about it?? :D


No, it was no dream ;). Wood, you can look up the pages 23 and 24 in the "Still the Faculty Lounge (still discussing Elijah Wood) #5" thread - there are some nice comments on Black and White in general (I only say "brain bleach" :D), and a few observations regarding the credits. And I could have sworn that in the first thread someone had posted a little gif of said credits, but I wasn't able to find it. :confused: Sorry!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/FrodoSam_gem.jpg
O no, there comes Narya, and I haven't wrapped up her present yet!


Happy birthday, Narya! :)

Oh Pelagia, Whiteling - those wet and watery pics! I feel like very bent indeed to be so taken by them (on account of age dif, i mean). He's so innocently, temptingly, irresistably, unbearably... beautiful! Definitely could be Frodo as a young lad in the Branduin, with all that lovely brown hair lying damp on his nape and upon his slightly furrowed brow. (I've always loved that wrist-band of twined leather that Sandy wears though Frodo may not have worn one.)

First, some well-deserved proper hobbit bows to grand mod Narya :k -- Happy Birthday!

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/RotK/TPDVD_11460.jpg

...with, as I never tire of pointing out :p , Frodo giving the most proper of the proper hobbit bows.

Which kind of segues into the chuckle I had over Bob Woodward's book Shadows this morning. It's about the effect of Watergate on the Presidents that came after it. At one point he talks about how one White House lawyer decided to believe Reagan when he said he didn't know anything about the connection between the Iran and Contra sides of Iran-Contra: "He had seen Reagan's movies, and didn't think he was that good of an actor." :lol: Guess we have to hope that Elwood never decides to go into politics. :D

Ooops, sorry, Tg :o ;) !
... I stumbled across your clever easter egg quite by accident. A very nice easter egg, I must say. :)
Actually, your note in the guest book came before I even put the new easter egg on the site--clever girl ;) . Not that my easter eggs are that well hidden. They're more for the purpose of helping me not feel guilty of copyright infringement than they are for actually keeping people away from viewing the results :) (since there's no commentary with the Paint Shop pics, which is my "fair use" claim for the public part of the site).

from Achila:
Geezer?!
Geesh... One minute, everybody's saying he's too young, and the next... :lol:

The definition of geezer might seem to apply to EW, as he is not a mainstream 'Hollywood' actor/celebrity type. It is usually applied to elderly men, but not necessarily:

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=geezer&x=13&y=13

Happy Birthday, Narya Celebrian!

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Happy Birthday Narya!

Lij and Rascal send their birthday wishes during these earlier than expected "dog days" of summer...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/Shelbyshire/lijandrascal.jpg

and also introducing Zeke, our newest addition to the family. My apartment was so hot last night that we thought Zeke had gone "alien" on us. He raised such a fuss and wanted to drink bowls full of water.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/Shelbyshire/Zeke2.jpg