Blossom, thank you for that absolutely adorable GIF! Flirty Frolijah! :D Whoo! *fanning pre-menopausal self* ;)

And Ylla, your Mr. Frodo is adorable. Give him a little scritch between his sweet little pointy ears for me! :k

I must say, I got a kick out of that "Devine Comedy" hoax. Hmmm, wonder who this director was that they were poking fun at? :rolleyes: Marketing genius, he is, courting free publicity by calling his movie subject "controversial!" Could his initials be MG? Could he, in fact, have already been in a movie with the One Lad when he was just "a lad?" Most amusing!

Just found this little snippet:
Everything is Illuminated (August). Strengths: Most literate script of the summer. An adaptation of Jonathan Safran Foer's best-seller about an American (Elijah Wood) searching for the woman who saved his grandfather from the Nazis, it was written and directed by the smart actor Liev Schreiber. Late summer Oscar bait, with a dog named Sammy Davis, Jr., Jr. Weaknesses: This is Schreiber's first try at directing, and the unwieldy novel couldn't have been a snap to translate.

Of course we now know that the film will be released in September. But I do like that "late summer Oscar bait" business. Elijah surely needs a nice weighty book end in his new little house; one in the shape of a little bald gold guy would do just as well as another. ;)

I found another article that spells out why some people are dissing Mr. Foer of late. If you're interested PM me.

Last bit of business, has anyone here tried down-loading that bit torrent of the "Try 17" extras that Undone provided at A&F? I'm not having good results; no picture, and very faint sound are all I'm getting, and I don't know if I'm just inept, or it's just a "shtinky linky." If anyone can offer me any assistance, please PM me.

hugs,
honey!

Pelagia, I googled up "Paolo and Francesca" to see what other artists have done. There are quite a few, actually. I only knew of the Rossetti one. Here in one by Ary Scheffler, c. 1835, "The Ghosts of Paolo and Francesca Appear to Virgil and Dante". It has a bare breast in it, so I can't post it, only link it. I think it's a pretty nice illustration for the scene, though the lovers in Scheffler's seem to be dreaming -- separately, unlike Rossetti's, in which they look as though they are suffering -- together. Now, EW looks fetching both dreaming and suffering onscreen, but I think I have to give him the greater kudos for his onscreen suffering. ;)

Wonderful find, Mechtild! :)
Another dream and suffer couple you can find here: http://www.illusionsgallery.com/Paolo-Francesca.html

Sorry, I have to dwell on this topic for a moment longer, hoax or not.
Many paintings show Paolo and Francesca pre Inferno and in the light of this, I think, the part of Paolo could be quite a challenge for our Lad... several people here have complained about Elijah's lacking basic lover skills (AIW). As Paolo he had plenty of training room for development :D --- I just say ---
LOTS of kissing! I'm adding the links to the all the snogging (wrong thread, you know ;) )

http://www.sheboyganfalls.k12.wi.us/staff/dehogue/AP/inferno/inferno_art.htm

http://cartierzinho.no.sapo.pt/paolo%20und%20francesca%20william%20dyce.jpg

http://www.modjourn.brown.edu/mjp/Image/Dicksee/PaoloFran94.jpg

I'm in particular fond of Anselm Feuerbach's 1864 rendition. Isn't the lad in the picture just plain beautiful?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/paolaetfrancesca.jpg


Feuerbach's ladies always wear those remarkable heavily starched table-cloth costumes :p.

Whoops, forgot to thank Blossom for her adorable flirty gif! See, the lad can do it! :D For my sake even with 3 heads. :p

Whiteling, I LOVED your Paolo and Francesca links, and adored the one you posted (yes, Paolo is delicious in it), but the second was wouldn't work for me. :(

Ah, how lovely EW would look in that costume! - although I am one of those who bemoaned EW's abillity to convey amorous attraction convincingly in AIW. But my feeling is, he's young enough to learn. He just needs a good director of love scenes. *raises hand* ;)


Would the link that wouldn't open be for this one, by Charles Edward Halle?

http://www.allposters.com/IMAGES/CORPOD/IX001060.jpg

Or this one, by [ETA] Amos Casioli?

http://www.sheboyganfalls.k12.wi.us/staff/dehogue/images/paolo%20&%20francesca.jpg

(It couldn't be the Ingres - nice painting, but Paolo is so elongated in the neck it looks as though Francesca is being pecked by a drake.)

And the lovers are in Inferno, not Purgatorio? Boy, was I off! The poor things, then they're there forever. I thought there was a chance for them (I'm so romantic)!

~ Mechtild

Hi all!

Fingers crossed for some project or other for EW that makes him look like a classical painting. And allows him to grow nice curly locks!

Just to let you know this month's Total Film magazine in the UK has a couple of nice EW bits - a cover story on Sin City (and a mention of EW being 'terrific' in it) and an article on Hooligans. Will scan/transcribe when I get a minute, no doubt someone will get there before me though.

Thanks for answering my qs, Achila! I noticed your thread about EII over at oscarwatch.com, I love how nice everyone is about The One Lad over there.

Would the link that wouldn't open be for this one

http://www.sheboyganfalls.k12.wi.us/staff/dehogue/images/paolo%20&%20francesca.jpg


Yes, Mech, that's it! :) (It's from a painter named Amos Casioli; Doré made wonderful black-and-white illustrations). However, the one of Charles Edward Halle is not to be scoffed at, either.

And the lovers are in Inferno, not Purgatorio? Boy, was I off! The poor things, then they're there forever. I thought there was a chance for them (I'm so romantic)!

Alas, life sentence, both of them. But, at least together (I do hope that may be any comfort). “Love led the two of us unto one death.” - Dante, Inferno V.108

How this book has been turned into a potentially award-winning movie is a major question (of mine). I'm sure EJW's performance will most definitely be a key factor. PM me if you would like to read it.As we've said before, because this film is being based on an excerpt, rather than the whole book, it may have smoothed the non-linearity of it enough to make it more coherent. That said, there are many folks who have read and love the book who are sorry to hear that the Trachimbrod sequences were largely left out. I personally have not read enough of it to know which would've been the better approach (better for my tastes, that is), but Liev got the "bolt from the blue", so to speak, after reading just the excerpt. I have to trust that he "saw" the movie as a result.

Random, we're really blessed over there at Oscarwatch -- you should see what they say about Orlando. :eek:

Mariole – Thanks for the EII item; though it sounds to me as if the “Oscar bait” label applies more to the movie as a whole, or to the screenplay (“Most literate script of the summer”). But even if the film received nomination(s) and Elijah himself didn't, he would certainly benefit from his association with it (especially since this time he's not part of a big ensemble cast, or surrounded by special effects -- he'll be the best special effect! -- and so he's more likely to be noticed). Personally, I’ll be satisfied if he just gets some great reviews (and some box office).

Belated thanks to Blossom for “flirty Frodo.” It was worth the download time!

Random: Which month of Total Film has the "EW bits"? The May issue (summer movie preview) is out here in the US, and I didn't see anything about him.

Mechtild and whiteling -- Thanks for the additional Paolo info. I believe that Rodin’s statue “The Kiss” is also supposed to depict Paolo and Francesca. If Elijah had gotten to play Paolo, he wouldn’t even have had to be bloodied up for an ugly punishment. (IIRC, he and Francesca were doomed to be tossed about forever by stormy winds – metaphor for lust.)

Just gliding in from lurkdom - :)

Interesting discussions ladies.

Pelagia wrote: I believe that Rodin’s statue “The Kiss” is also supposed to depict Paolo and Francesca.

Mechtild has another wonderful picture of a sculpture, by Rodin, of a couple reclining in each others arms. I had seen 'The Kiss' before but not the one posted by Mechtild over at the Harem. *Waves* to Mechtild :) .

Pelagia - I have attached another picture - although tiny - of a sculpture by Rodin 'Paolo and Francesca.'

--Estë

Pelagia:

Random: Which month of Total Film has the "EW bits"? The May issue (summer movie preview) is out here in the US, and I didn't see anything about him.

It's the June one, just out, so hopefully you should see it sooner or later.

Off to bed now - night night all!

Yes, Mech, that's it! :) It's from a painter named Amos Casioli; Doré made wonderful black-and-white illustrations).
Thank you, Whiteling; I changed that in my post. I hate to have slighted the correct painter. ("The Inferno as portrayed in the works of Gustave Doré, etc. etc." - I was not looking at the right place for the name of the painting actually posted; extra 'D'oh'.).

Alas, life sentence, both of them. But, at least together (I do hope that may be any comfort). “Love led the two of us unto one death.” - Dante, Inferno V.108
I am sorry to hear P and F had to suffer forever. I guess they neglected to go to Confession, after. Shucks! Considering they are in Hell, then, I think the first painting you linked is the best illustration. They have more of a "corpse-like" look to them.

Mechtild has another wonderful picture of a sculpture, by Rodin, of a couple reclining in each others arms. I had seen 'The Kiss' before but not the one posted by Mechtild over at the Harem. *Waves* to Mechtild.
*waves back* Actually, Estë, I never did post that image in the thread; too hot and racy, even if it was art -- I had to link it. That was supposed to be Rodin's "Cupid and Psyche" but I don't think it really mattered what he named the statue; those lovers could have been anyone.

Hi, Pelagia; it would be cool to see EW writhing around Hell with Francesca, though, wouldn't it? Especially after seeing Blossom's gif of Frolijah yawning. Gee wiz, he looked Italian to me in that; he often does, anyway. Heck, wasn't Michelangelo's David Italian? I mean, he was supposed to be an ancient Hebrew, but any inspection worthy of, well, me, would show that his model wasn't. Ooops. Wrong thread. :cool:

~ Mechtild

Mechtild:
I am sorry to hear P and F had to suffer forever.

Of course my twisted mind turned that into Peter and Fran and I indulged myself with a prolonged giggle. What I do to entertain myself. :rolleyes: :)

Yeah..well here's what again.

Last night I was thinking that Elijah needed to choose a role in which his character is very verbal. Just for a change. So he can throw his voice around...like we know he can do from The WAR--and even from Saturday Night Live. (Hooligans?? Does he get to talk alot or is it a lot of soulful eye communication? Tell us oh those who got to see it ;) )

Anyway--the result was I had a dream of Elijah with Frodo hair, dressed in a stunning slim suit...selling me a car. Yep. And boy could he talk. :cool: :D

Which is the movie in which Jack Lemmon is a desperate sales-person? Frolijah/used-car salesperson had a little desperation--but a lot of suaavy charm. He was quick and shrewd. I don't know if I bought the car...woke up too soon. :( :)

Last night I was thinking that Elijah needed to choose a role in which his character is very verbal. Just for a change. So he can throw his voice around...like we know he can do from The WAR--and even from Saturday Night Live. (Hooligans?? Does he get to talk alot or is it a lot of soulful eye communication? Tell us oh those who got to see it ;) )Hmmm...I wouldn't say that he talked a lot, but what he did do was very effectively change the timbre of his voice as his character became more confident. That was subtle and very well done, and you only become aware of it because of something that happens at the end (don't want to spoil it for anyone).

Anyway--the result was I had a dream of Elijah with Frodo hair, dressed in a stunning slim suit...selling me a car. Yep. And boy could he talk. :cool: :D Well, Aly, I can't promise you Frodo hair, but there are a whole bunch of new pics of Lij in NYC last night (with Liev Schreiber), over at various people's LJs -- patsie, for one, and he was wearing his Dior tuxedo and looking smashing. Will that do? ;)

hi!!!
is there anyone who can pm me link

to those picyures,please!! :z: :z:

wood

Here are a couple for you, wood! We're not allowed to link to LJ's, but if you go to the LiveJournal site and type in "patsie", you'll find her journal and some of the photos. :) If you need more help than that, PM me, okay?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/346041.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/lievlij.jpg

bunniebugs;thank you so much!!!! :k :k

you right achila he looks realy smashing!!!!!!!!


wood

I don't remember seeing this either, Alyon. The only behind-the-scenes clip I recall with Elijah and the dialect coach - apart from the 'flirty' one, of course :) - is THIS ONE. (http://www.imagemagician.com/images/blossom/lines1.gif)

It's on FOTR theatrical edition. Disc 2. lordoftherings.net Featurettes: Languages of Middle-earth.
Elijah says: ‘Hi - as I go over my lines, in embarrassment,’ then he laughs.


I can't believe how much Elijah-in-costume resembles Charles Ingalls in the old television series "the Little House on the Praire"!! It has me every time! :lol:

...new pics of Lij in NYC last night (with Liev Schreiber), over at various people's LJs -- patsie, for one, and he was wearing his Dior tuxedo and looking smashing. Will that do?

Apparently they were at a "roast" for David(?) Mamet, the playwright, and William H. Macy, the actor. Dig the matching outfits! :rolleyes:

Anybody know if that "I'm Still Here" persentation on MTV is going to run at another time? I'm having a TiVO crisis! New episode of Lost, and Lij (well, his lovely voice) on MTV a the sime time! :eek: :eek:

Anyway--the result was I had a dream of Elijah with Frodo hair, dressed in a stunning slim suit...selling me a car. Yep. And boy could he talk. :D :)

:lol: Oh, my!

honey!

Apparently they were at a "roast" for David(?) Mamet, the playwright, and William H. Macy, the actor. Dig the matching outfits! :rolleyes: They were also at a second event, where the majority of the pics were taken -- a Chanel Gala at the Metropolitan Museum of Art (if anyone's interested, there was a little article about it in the NY Times -- I can provide the link, and the excerpt pertaining to Elijah is on my LJ -- aquila0212).

Liev is appearing in "Glengarry Glen Ross" on Broadway, which is a Mamet play. Apparently, the whole cast attended the roast.

Anybody know if that "I'm Still Here" persentation on MTV is going to run at another time? I'm having a TiVO crisis! New episode of Lost, and Lij (well, his lovely voice) on MTV a the sime time!I noticed that, and looked high and low to see if MTV was repeating the show -- they don't have any repeats on their schedule, as far as I can tell.

BTW, Holocaust Remembrance Day is May 5, so why they're showing it tomorrow is anyone's guess! :confused:

Synchronicity strikes! That Jack Lemmon role you mentioned, Alyon, in which he plays the desperate salesman is from the movie version of Mamet's play, Glengarry Glen Ross in which Liev is currently acting, as Achila noted.

Put the coffee down! That's the only Alec Baldwin role I ever admired, because he was perfectly cast (tee hee). The rest of the cast is amazing: Jack Lemmon, Al Pacino, Ed Harris, Alan Arkin, and a very beleagured Kevin Spacey. If you don't like bad language, however, steer clear--Al Pacino's diatribe against Kevin Spacey alone burnt my ears, and I curse like a sailor when I forget myself.

I wonder who Schreiber plays? That's the best of Mamet's plays, although I also like True West. I didn't think his screen adaptation of Margaret Atwood's A Handmaid's Tale was all that inspired, however. He played it as a straight love story, although I suspect Hollywood had hand in that.

Elijah does look quite scrumptious in these shots, but I do get tickled when I note the height difference between Schreiber and him. I'm partially laughing at myself, because now I have a good visual of how I look standing next to my best friend's husband--he is Liev Schreiber's height, and I'm only a couple of inches shorter than Wood.

I hope those two were planning a fantastic campaign to promote EII.

BTW, Holocaust Remembrance Day is May 5, so why they're showing it tomorrow is anyone's guess! :confused:
...so that when the kids go to school on the 5th, they'll know it's Holocaust Remembrance Day? (Yes, I have worked with high school students, actually :p :rolleyes: .)

You don't have to be gone from this thread very long before it's to the point where you can't respond to everything that's gone before! Between duties at home, a boss who's been in manic phase, and computer problems it's been a few days... the boss is probably landing in Philadelphia about now (which means he'll be calling to see if I've finished the one project that's still sitting on my desk :rolleyes: so this will be quick).

I knew the question would come up about the accent coaching behind-the-scenes shot. Should have kept my mouth closed, I suppose. :o If it's on a DVD, it would definitely be FotR, but I don't know that it's on a DVD. My best remembrance would put it on one of the many "making of" shows that ran on TV before FotR was released. Somehow it's connected in my mind with the documentary that was supposed to come from the videographer who followed the cast and crew throughout the process of making the movies. Did I hear correctly that that project was shelved? If so, I wonder why.

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Well, I did get to hear Elijah's voice a little last night. It wasn't as terrifying as facing TAMTSNBN, but I'd rather sit through Sin City again, I think :haha: . I watched the video of my first--and, I swear, my only--episode of "Adventures from the Book of Virtues." (Not to offend any Bill Bennett fans, but... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ) It's a half-hour animated program, with the main character's story interwoven with three short "classic tales" that are supposed to show her the evil of her ways, so none of the bits are very long. The one Elijah was part of was less than ten minutes long, and it was probably the longest of the three (gee, I didn't pay attention to the other two--don't know what came over me :confused: ).

Elijah provided the voice for Icarus in one of the three stories that were supposed to teach the show's main character about "Responsibility." Oh, well, chalk up another character that dies. Elijah didn't do a bad job; Icarus certainly had more going for him dramatically than movie-Tom Thumb--I mean, he even had, like, some emotions and stuff! Better looking, too :haha: . But I'd recommend this only for die-hard fans determined to see/hear everything Elijah's ever done (or for someone who really needs to appear as if they're buying an Elijah video "for the kids" :p ).

The video's from 1996 (although one version has it dated as 1997), so was probablay made during Elijah's slow period between The War and The Ice Storm, about the same time he made Flipper. A working actor, indeed.

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I spent most of the weekend doing site updates (which the computer problems certainly didn't "speed up"). Biggest addition is one (or six, depending on your point of view ;) ) new page(s) in The Mirror of Galadriel (http://www.frodolivesin.us/FotR/id44.htm), but there are also a couple of new essays, and a few other additions. (The main Elijah Wood page says there are new "Casey" screencaps, but I think everyone here has seen them already--they just weren't there the last time I did a full update.)

----BTW, my recent Paint Shop practice has me looking at that Dior tuxedo in the left-hand pic and thinking, "Y'know, it wouldn't be hard at all to get rid of that watermark." ;)

Achila wrote, in response to Alyon’s question about whether Elijah gets to talk a lot in Hooligans:
Hmmm...I wouldn't say that he talked a lot, but what he did do was very effectively change the timbre of his voice as his character became more confident. That was subtle and very well done
I second that. I’ve never heard that voice from him before, and it’s really hard to describe: deeper, and clearer, without any of the gentle quality that is often present in his voice. I must say, however, that one of his very best moments (IMHO), near the end of the movie, is entirely wordless (Achila – during the encounter in the men’s room; what do you think?).

BunnieBugs – Thanks for the pix! And it even looks as if he had the full outfit on, for a change (no ripped jeans under the jacket).

Ereshkigal – Liev plays Richard Roma (Al Pacino in the movie – talk about height disparities!) in Glengarry Glen Ross. The NY Times critic described his performance as “brilliant,” and said, “it seems he can conquer pretty much any style of theater.” Let’s hope he proves equally talented as a director!

tgshaw – You are truly a devoted Elijahfan, to sit through Bill Bennett!

tgshaw – You are truly a devoted Elijahfan, to sit through Bill Bennett!
Well, Bill Bennett himself wasn't in it (praise the Valar :z: ), just his heavy-handed style of "moral lessons for youth"--using only stories taken from appropriately Western cultures, of course :rolleyes: . I was kind of disappointed in PBS when they picked up the show, but I suppose they have to let a variety of idealogies have their say. (Not that there's anything bad about the program, exactly, just extremely limited.)

*opens door to the Faculty Lounge, peeks in and sees many highly intelligent researchers discussing very important findings*

'Excuse me. May I share with you?'

*runs in, bumps the table spilling everyone's water and jumps up and down on the couch*

Took my last final today which entitles me to an Associate Degree in Elem. Ed.! I know it's only a step up the ladder of higher education but at my "age", it feels great! And to think I did it at a time when a particular director decided to release one movie per year at the end of each of the fall semesters. Talk about inconvienent timing. I'm surprised I passed any of those classes. *back on-topic* And then all the extra credit I did viewing the entire filmography between classes, at night, on the weekends, and over summer breaks of a most extraordinary actor named Elijah Wood!!! Whew! Unfortunately, the university said they won't accept that as transfer credits. :p What do they know anyways.

*jumps down from the couch and walks carefully towards the door so as not to slip on the spilt water, all while avoiding the closet door*

Thanks for letting me share! I've enjoyed hanging out in the Faculty Lounge more than any other class! :k

Congratulations ShelbyShire!!! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/mikeypours2.jpg
A Toast for ShelbyShire! May you continue to succeed in your endeavors!

(I can't believe I don't have the CoF bell-boy shot archived somewhere! Well this "waiter" is too young to join in the toast, but he's quite decorative standing over there in the corner!)
honey!

what is TAMTSNBN? this has driven Me :lol: for days.

Shelbyshire, congratulations!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/maulwurf2.gif

Unfortunately, the university said they won't accept that as transfer credits. What do they know anyways.

Very well then! :mad: Elwoodian fandom does provide gorgeous education-related role models...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/CoF_Mikey_ged_kleiner.jpg
the very basics...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/Homicide_diningroom.jpg
posh house style...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/Icestorm_study.jpg
twisted intellectually gifted...

(Screencaps by courtesy of undone27)

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Bunnie, many thanks for the Chanel pictures! :) Liev and Elijah side by side reminded me a lot of Pat & Patachon :p.

Tg, your May updates are wonderful (Mirror of Galadriel enthralls me no end, and I enjoyed your essay on "Tolkien virgins" very much). Thank you! :k

And then all the extra credit I did viewing the entire filmography between classes, at night, on the weekends, and over summer breaks of a most extraordinary actor named Elijah Wood!!! Whew! Unfortunately, the university said they won't accept that as transfer credits. :p What do they know anyways.
Kinda behind the times, methinks--haven't they heard of giving credit for life experience? :confused: :p

Thanks for letting me share! I've enjoyed hanging out in the Faculty Lounge more than any other class! :k
...and you never have to graduate! :k

But for your real graduation, Congratulations!

Flipping through screencaps trying to find something education-related that hasn't been posted yet... How about a Geeky Stephen King Kid? :)

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/Previous movies/03-12-200517-03390.jpg

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Not much else to say, except that I had a slap-myself-on-the-forehead moment this morning when the local news gave the schedule for Holocaust Remembrance Day activities at one of the synagogues--tonight. When blaming the short memories of high school students for MTV's scheduling, I completely forgot that on the Jewish calendar a day doesn't run from midnight to midnight, but from sundown to sundown. Meaning that tonight would be the right time to show I'm Still Here. -- I'm hoping this program will be available in some format after the show airs (cables?) for those of us who don't get MTV.

Glad you enjoyed the updates, Whiteling :) .

Not much else to say, except that I had a slap-myself-on-the-forehead moment this morning when the local news gave the schedule for Holocaust Remembrance Day activities at one of the synagogues--tonight. When blaming the short memories of high school students for MTV's scheduling, I completely forgot that on the Jewish calendar a day doesn't run from midnight to midnight, but from sundown to sundown. Meaning that tonight would be the right time to show I'm Still Here. -- I'm hoping this program will be available in some format after the show airs (cables?) for those of us who don't get MTV. Oh DUH....and I'm the Jewish one, right? ;) Thanks, tg. And btw, for those on the West Coast, I believe this' being shown at 5PM (it's 8PM EST).

Here's something kind of cool -- note the name of the first celebrity guest:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/release/publicity/news20050503.html

Being the Star Wars geek that he is, I bet Elijah will have a great time--he certainly seems to be showing up on MTV a lot lately...

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Just watched Orlando Bloom being interviewed on the Today Show about Kingdom of Heaven. He's such a sweetheart--I'm glad he and Elijah are following completely different career tracks so they're not constantly competing with each other.

Congratulations, Shelbyshire!
May I wish you the best of success. :)

*steps back into closet where she belongs*

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/mariole/closet.jpg

Let me add my congratulations as well, Shelbyshire -- I'm sending you that bottle of bubbly by special messenger...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/aquila0212/CHAIN_OF_FOOLS-182.jpg

Shelbyshire – Congratulations on completing your degree program. I suspect that your Wood-related extracurricular activities may have helped you get through it. Painstaking research of the type conducted by the Faculty can sharpen the mind; and as many people here have testified, watching Elijah films can be relaxing and comforting in times of stress – certainly better for you than undergraduate-style drinking!

And since you're in elementary education, maybe you'll be lucky enough to get a student as cute as this one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Lalage/avaloncap09.jpg

every body has brought wine and champange

then it is just the music left ,and here it comes!!!!

CONGRATS SHELBYSHIRE

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/erendil/6865.jpg

i bet he is better than he thinks!!!!!

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

Congratulations, Shelbyshire!!!

I decided to whip up a new Frodo Art Travesty, in your honour. Here he is singing a festive song to celebrate your achievement. (Isn't he a doll in early 17th century regalia?)

Frodo as the fiddle player, in Judith Leyster's Carousing Couple (1628-1630):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/mechtild/Frodo%20Art%20Travesties/FrodoasJudithLeystersladin1630CarousingCouple.jpg

Best wishes! :)

~ Mechtild

I just read this interesting snippet on the IMDB messageboards for ESOTSM, not sure if it’s been mentioned here before:

It's interesting that Patrick is the only character that critics seemed to have problems with in terms of the casting, principally because of Wood's very young looks, it seemed. Charlie said in one interview that he had a different type of actor in mind originally (for Patrick). Then in a recent audio interview (on www.goldderby.com) he described how they had auditioned a lot of different kinds of actors for Patrick, and settled on Elijah Wood because he "humanized" the role.

ETA - oh, and congrats to Shelbyshire!

Congrats Shelbyshire

another screencap from CoF....right in line with Achila

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/ylla/Mikey_Senator.jpg




I always stay at the hotels with the adorable bellboys :k :k :k

Yay!! Shelbyshire!! Congratulations!!!

And Wood!!, I'm on a roll--I had another Elijah dream last night :o . In this one he was in a movie and was playing the guitar. Sychronicity again!! I love that photo!!

And Mechtild. Your art travesties are wildly entertaining and downright...educational. Now we know where hobbits "disappeared" to throughout the ages. Hidden in great art. Supporting themselves (himself) with modeling jobs. Love them. :k

Random--thanks for the bit from IMDB. Did critics have trouble with the Elijah casting?? I didn't know that. I thought it got general approval in the end.

Many congratulations, Shelbyshire...

on gaining your colours in teaching ...

I hope you enjoy your future career keeping the little tykes entertained, interested, educated and under control...teachers always have my utmost respect for being able to do this, as I suspect that I wouldn't be able to do it at all for any class over the age of about four...( up until that age, they are rather overawed by you - a no-lose situation, imo :D )

Shadowcat
You asked the old and sadly familiar question on this board...

what is TAMTSNBN? this has driven Me :lol: for days.

TAMTSNBN is none other than "The Animated Movie That Shall Not Be Named ", and, it has to be said, represents the lowpoint in Our Lij's illustrious career ...Tgshaw can tell you all about it ;) :rolleyes:

Now then, for all you Brits, and probably you Euros too, you all know that Elijah is presenting the new Xbox thing on MTV on the 12th of May, in a half-hour entertainment special....well, that is of course, in America...

So, over here, not to miss out on any of our hard-earned Pounds and Euros either, this programme is being screened for our benefit at 8pm (BST) on Wednesday 13th May...that's next week, I believe...so don't miss it !!!

TAMTSNBN is none other than "The Animated Movie That Shall Not Be Named ", and, it has to be said, represents the lowpoint in Our Lij's illustrious career ...Tgshaw can tell you all about it ;) :rolleyes:

Oh, yes, thanks, Lady Wendy, I forgot to answer that. Although I have to say, shadowcat, that you've been around long enough to have run into the answer to this question before :mad: ;) , so instead of my linking you directly to the page with the review of TAMTSNBN, I think you should bookmark the Glossary (http://www.frodolivesin.us/id27.htm). You don't have to scroll down very far to find the link. (We try to keep it quarantined, so the actual name of the movie isn't mentioned in the glossary.) Not even Adventures from the Book of Virtues can compare... :eek:

Just watched Orlando Bloom being interviewed on the Today Show about Kingdom of Heaven. He's such a sweetheart--I'm glad he and Elijah are following completely different career tracks so they're not constantly competing with each other.He *is* a sweetheart, and he's one of our boys but it does sting to watch him constantly being compared to Elijah, we're told he's a much bigger star, etc. -- note this:

The Silver Screen's Top 10 Leading Men Under 30
By Steve Ryfle

10. Elijah Wood, 24: Horrors! How could we put Frodo at the bottom of the list! Before you Middle Earthlings pelt us with e-hatemails, know that we consider Wood to be one of the finest actors of his generation. But he's not a star in the way that, oh, Orlando Bloom is. When's the last time you heard someone exclaim, "Let's go see the new Elijah Wood movie!" Case closed.
This' from People magazine, I think. I need to keep reminding myself that this sort of stuff is meaningless and to just be happy for Orlando, but man, it's hard.

(Of course, there hasn't BEEN an "Elijah Wood movie" since LOTR that has had any sort of distribution, so he's immediately wrong on that count.)

ETA: Here's the rest of the list -- prepare to be unhappy (or violently ill, as the case may be -- that's why I say that this is all a bunch of you know what):

1. Colin Farrell, 28
2. Tobey Maguire, 29
3. Ashton Kutcher, 27
4. Orlando Bloom, 28
5. Hayden Christensen, 24
6. Jake Gyllenhaal, 24
7. Gael Garcia Bernal, 27
8. Heath Ledger, 26
9. Topher Grace, 25
10. Elijah Wood, 24


And also ETA, just had to comment, tg, that I'm reading your latest essays and they're so terrific. You have such a wonderful, user-friendly style to your writing -- some people who write about Tolkien are such dry know-it-alls -- I'm really enjoying them. :k

The Silver Screen's Top 10 Leading Men Under 30
10. Elijah Wood, 24: Horrors! How could we put Frodo at the bottom of the list! Before you Middle Earthlings pelt us with e-hatemails, know that we consider Wood to be one of the finest actors of his generation. But he's not a star in the way that, oh, Orlando Bloom is. When's the last time you heard someone exclaim, "Let's go see the new Elijah Wood movie!" Case closed.

OUCH! :mad: :eek: :( I agree with you completely, Achila, it hurts a little to see Mr. Bloom get the bulk of the attentinon.

Orlando can be fun to watch. I did like him in PoTC. But I think he needs to work on his voice. That's just my opinion, but he just doesn't seem to be able to convey emotion with his voice the way some actors can.

I'd love to see Elijah move himself up that list. But they are talking "top leading men", and not "top ACTORS". I expect the list would be reordered if they weren't primarily talking box-office power, celebrity, sex appeal even.

It may actually serve Elijah's career in some ways to not be Mr. Box-Office just now. Can you imagine Orlando playing Patrick in ESoTSM? While he's leaping about in a toga making big epics, our darling Lij is working on small roles - like Patrick, and Kevin - and making them memorable. He's also honing his craft in those roles, maybe biding his time in some way.

I think Elijah views his current celebrity with some trepidation. I don't thnk he particularly would want to be on top of that list of "leading men." It seems to me that he's aiming at the long haul, and he's content with working with interesting scripts and directors for now. He's building a different kind of career from Mr. Bloom, and that's a good thing.

honey!

::anxiously awaiting the new Elijah Wood movie::

Hello to The Faculty! Don't have much to say, just a few random thoughts.

Thanks for posting all the lovely pictures, new and old.

Maybe when EII is released, some Faculty members who have been lost to us will return.

I think I'll watch the Appendices from FOTR tonight.

C4

Bittersweet quote from People Magazine, Achila .... Kingdom of Heaven is now being shown here but I can't bring myself to see it ... see below. But I suspect Elijah would far rather be seen as a great actor than as a "star". As an actor he knocks spots off Orlando (pace Orlando). Maybe the world will see that one day.

Hello. I hardly dare stick my head in here after being away for so long. And I can’t even begin to comment on all the lovely stuff in previous pages, because I’ve hardly even skimmed through them. Have probably missed bucketfuls of golden nuggets of hard information, wicked wit, weird wisdom and (ahem) soft swoondom - you know, the usual Faculty fare. Have caught sight of some beautiful pics, though (thanks for yours above, Whiteling – a rare one of McPhee! :) ).

And I've been meaning to say for at least two months how thrilled I am about Elijah’s latest film successes, which I can’t wait to see. Actually missed a chance to see a preview of Sin City last week because I had a(n uncomprehending) friend staying :( , and I still don’t know when it will be properly shown here. Ditto Hooligans, which has vanished without trace …. so far. But TOMORROW ROTK is being shown again, just once, on the big screen on the banks of the lovely Moselle river, and my LOTR-obsessed friend Sultana and I are going, of course. So there are a few compensations :cool:

So, most of the past two months have been taken up with theatre, music and even a tiny bit of film-extra-ing stuff outside my day job, and bemoaning the lack of a home Internet connection (no time to sort that out; it reappeared for the very two weeks in which I wasn’t at home to use it, and now it’s vanished again, so I’m still having to rely on the office PC!).
And I never did tell you the whole story about Billy in Save Angel Hope (which I hope will go on general release one day!). Apologies again. To cut a long story short, Billy was the most charming and approachable person imaginable and a fabulous actor to boot – everyone commented on that. I can’t tell you how surreal it was to be chatting casually to one of our darling hobbits, but I had several conversations with Billy and he was totally delightful to everyone, despite doing all-night shoots seemingly for weeks on end (they serve you “breakfast” at 8 pm, “lunch” at 1.00 a.m. and “dinner” at about 6 a.m. and you get to bed at about 8 in the morning if you’re lucky – no wonder people were looking pale and disorientated!). I managed to drop in some comments about Billy’s latest films, partly so that I could steer the conversation round to Hooligans - about which he knew even less than I did (trust the Faculty Lounge to be better informed about Lij than than his own friends!). But Billy, Dom and Elijah have already booked their next New Year’s party. No, I don't know where; Billy told me he didn't either (yet). I was at least trying to be discreet and not ask him – he volunteered that information!
And it transpired that, a year or so ago in Edinburgh, Billy narrated a musical fairy tale written by a Scottish friend of mine (did I mention that before? Sorry if I’m repeating myself). He knows my friend and her sister (who - with heavy makeup - played Mel Gibson’s mum in Braveheart!) very well. Surrealer and surrealer.
Just a quick note about a certain LOTR colleague of Billy’s who was also in this movie. He played a certain transmogrified king. Need I say more? Well, this actor, not exactly approachable at the best of times, shuts up like a clam if anyone so much as hints at anything remotely connected with LOTR. He is clearly suffering from severe Rings fatigue. Understandable, perhaps, when you’ve made 70 movies but the only one anyone ever asks you about is LOTR! He did talk about being at the Karlovy Vary Film Festival last year (where he apparently had a rapturous reunion with Elijah) and about The Boys from County Clare (nowhere near as interesting a movie, needless to say), but LOTR was most definitely a no-go area. All rather sad and disillusioning – Ian McKellen has had a similarly illustrious acting career but seems to love talking about those wondrous movies (as witness his website).

Abrupt change of subject (Bohemian Rhapsody having featured in a recent musical event we performed here): the late great Freddie Mercury of Queen was apparently a major Tolkien fan and some of his song lyrics testify to that, I’m told. His original name was Farok Bulsara. Did he change his name to Freddie by analogy with Frodo, I wonder? Mercury was the messenger of the gods, and I believe the name “Elijah” also means “messenger of God”. Curious. Or maybe not.

Congrats, Shelbyshire!

ETA: In case some of this sounds out-of-synch, there have been a few posts since I started writing it. No time to "re-do" now, but I'll probably be back. :p

...but it does sting to watch him constantly being compared to Elijah, we're told he's a much bigger star, etc.
Well, in the usual meaning of the word, he is a much bigger star. I wouldn't disagree with that as a statement of fact. That's why the two are on different career paths--Elijah has no desire to be a "star" in that sense of the word. Isn't it wood who has Elijah's definition of a star in her sig?

I think Elijah might be more interested in this statement:
...we consider Wood to be one of the finest actors of his generation.
(We might disagree about "one of the", of course ;) .) I thought Orlando did a great job in LotR, but even there he couldn't hold a candle to Elijah as far as acting. I don't expect to see Orli on many lists of "the finest actors of his generation" anytime soon. Not that he claims to be, which is one of the nice things about him. He talked this morning about how much he still has to learn, and after watching the clips from the movie I have to agree with him.

(Of course, there hasn't BEEN an "Elijah Wood movie" since LOTR that has had any sort of distribution, so he's immediately wrong on that count.)
And Kingdom of Heaven is the first "Orlando Bloom movie". He's been in some big movies, but they were "Johnny Depp" and "Brad Pitt" movies (I feel like I'm forgetting one, though :confused: ). So I'd have to reply to the reporter that up til now no one's been saying "Let's go see the new Orlando Bloom movie," either. :haha:

I'm wondering if all these big epics are what Orlando would choose if he had his pick of roles. What he seemed most interested in talking about in the interview today was how internal his character is during the first part of the movie, and how challenging that was to play. If at some point the "new Orlando Bloom movie" is playing on 10 screens at the cineplex and the "new Elijah Wood movie" is showing a few miles away at an art house theater or a film festival, I'm not so sure that even Orlando would feel that he was a step ahead. (I'm kind of curious to know what he talks about in Rolling Stone. I may have to go browsing at Borders.)

And, of course, we can't forget one of Elijah's advantages: FES, Orlando's starring in a blockbuster epic that's opening two days from now, and I'm still waiting to see if his fan thread comes out of the void! :confused: Can you imagine Elijah Wood fans letting that happen :eek: ?

Thanks for sharing, Serena!

I promise to make amends for my previous silly post (I know, I know, which silly previous post.) because an unexpected mail delivery arrived today. My copies of Tolkien on Film: Essays on Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings and Unsung Heroes of The Lord of the Rings From the Page to the Screen. They arrived a month early. Any interesting tidbits will certainly be passed along. Have any Faculty members read these?

C4

The supervisors have left for the afternoon so I can now say:

:) Thank you for all the "educationally inspired celebration" pics! :)

I realized after seeing Pelagia's pic that I had better brush up on the proper usage of "May I?" and "Can I?". Looks like it's time to pull Avalon back off the shelf. ;)

ceefour, was that some kind of hint? :D

Also, thanks for all your kind words! Have an awesome EJW-filled day!! :cool:

Here's something cool from the June/July "Teen People" -- Elijah's been listed as one of the 25 Hottest Stars Under 25 (and this isn't ranked):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/aquila0212/elijaharticle252.jpg

I hope you can read that -- it was larger on the LJ I got it from.

ETA: Bunnie and I simulposted -- fortunately, hers is much larger and legible!

Along the lines of the "top ten" in People magazine, the June/July 2005 issue of "Teen People", Elijah Wood was listed as one of the 25 Hottest Stars Under 25:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/elijaharticle25.jpg

EDIT: Hee! We simulposted, Achila! I can't see yours at all... but I'll delete mine, if they're the same. :)

EDIT 2: Okay, I can see it now... I'll leave mine, since it's more readable. Sorry about the duplication!

Achila and BunnieBugs, thanks for the Teen People item. I feel somewhat vindicated by the fact that they labeled his picture “The Chameleon,” because that’s what I’ve been calling him ever since I became besotted with – no, no, interested in – him last year. And tg, I’m in full agreement with your comments on Elijah and “stardom.” Which is why I don’t get into a tizzy over lists that don’t rank him as a big one (star, that is). (What is it with all these lists coming out all of a sudden, anyway? Is this the equivalent of May sweeps on TV?)

ceefour, are these two books new? If so, looks as if I need to make a trip to Amazon.com. Now, if only that book by D. Adams about Howard Shore’s LOTR score would come out. It was talked about in the program for the "LOTR Symphony" last summer, but nothing seems to have come of it.

BTW, does anyone have any idea why we're getting ads for bulletin boards??

MORNING ALL!!!!!

JAPP,TG GUILLTY ON THAT

HERE IT COMES,I`M NOT A STAR.A STAR IS A BALL FULL OF GAS!!

I to have a feeling that he don`t whant to be a star.He just wants do
the work he loves and care for!!!

But to see that snippet Achila hade found hurt my eyes!!! :(

Big hallo to Ylla and Serena!!!! welcome back!!!!! :k :k
Mist you both!!!!

Serena, see you soon!!!!!

edit!! thank you both for that picture and the articel!!! :k :k

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

I actually don't mind that Elijah's name isn't further up on that list - I'm happy that it's there at all! A couple of years ago, even after the LotR movies started to come out, he wasn't appearing on the 'hot actor' lists at all. To me, it's an indication that he's beginning to get the recognition that he deserves.

And I agree totally that he's probably happy that he's not further up the list, anyway. He's in this for the long haul, and he knows that the bright flame of fame can burn out (as does Orlando - I don't remember where I saw it, but I do recall an interview after PotC where he said he wasn't letting it all go to his head, because he was completely aware that the kind of attention he is receiving can be shortlived, and he needed to just work hard and make movies and not let the whole fame part be his focus.)

...I feel somewhat vindicated by the fact that they labeled his picture “The Chameleon,”...
I can't claim any vindication, because I didn't think to call him that :p , but I thought it was an awfully good title for him. And I :lol: at their description of Kevin.

ceefour, are these two books new? If so, looks as if I need to make a trip to Amazon.com. Now, if only that book by D. Adams about Howard Shore’s LOTR score would come out. It was talked about in the program for the "LOTR Symphony" last summer, but nothing seems to have come of it.
Yes--new books. Unsung Heroes has been available for pre-order for awhile but has just been released. Haven't seen anything on the Howard Shore book yet, but in checking for it I discovered there are a lot more instrumental books out with the LotR music now--used to be just chords/choral or piano/choral or solo flute. Now there's clarinette, tenor sax, some horns... Soon to appear at a high school concert near you? ;)

[ShamelessSelfPromotion] You can find some of the newer arrivals on the "Welcome" page of the Bywater Shopping Mall (http://www.frodolivesin.us/Bywater/). One I'm afraid I might just have to buy myself is particularly relevant to recent discussion here--titled Orlando Bloom Has Ruined Everything :D (a collection of Foxtrot comics, with a cover picture of the beleagured fanboys sitting in the theater amid a sea of Legolasses :D .)
[/SSP]

Still on books: ceefour, or anyone else who reads Tolkien on Film, I'd be interested in what you think of it. I'm afraid I come to it with a negative bias, because some of the people who contributed essays to it are in the email discussion group I mostly lurk in, and, at least in the "privacy" of the email group, they're very negative toward the movies. Not that I don't agree with them about some things, but IMVHO they take it way too far.

And, Achila, thanks for the kind comments about the essays. :) What I come up with would be called "fan writing" by real Tolkien scholars, but I hope my love for Tolkien's writing, and Middle-earth, and one hobbit in particular :) , come through. One reason that my favorite real Tolkien scholar is Verlyn Flieger is that her personal love for the material doesn't get smothered by the scholarship. (She has a new book out, too, but that's really not why I said that :) --I've been "claiming" her as my favorite for years.)

BTW, does anyone have any idea why we're getting ads for bulletin boards??
Happens sometimes on forum pages that don't pull up any other ads--often on the "member control panel" pages, etc. Forums were called "bulletin boards" when they first started appearing on the internet, and the name is still used by software makers, etc., so sometimes the physical bulletin boards get mixed in. (I noticed there was a "bulletin board hosting" ad that came up, too.)

Doesn't usually happen on the actual discussion pages, though (especially in this thread :p )--maybe a server wasn't working correctly or something.

Narya:
I actually don't mind that Elijah's name isn't further up on that list - I'm happy that it's there at all! A couple of years ago, even after the LotR movies started to come out, he wasn't appearing on the 'hot actor' lists at all. To me, it's an indication that he's beginning to get the recognition that he deserves.

Ditto :)

I think Orlando is so sweet and I liked him very much as Legolas. As he said--he didn't have a lot of lines, he just had to look stately and graceful and elf-like. I appreciate that. (as an aside-- My teenager totally doesn't get the thing other girls have for Legolas and elves in general :) She thinks they are cold. Hobbits on the other hand are cool--because they aren't cold ;) . So she is less forgiving of Orlando in lotrs because of all of the attention he receives when really it should be hobbit actors getting it. As yes like mother.. :rolleyes: ;) ). But I do like him. And I do think he filled the role well.

But I haven't even seen Troy...or his other films. He should take on a little variety (or has he?).

Elijah's film choices have been (it seems to me) the artful ones. He doesn't need to be a big star to build a respected career that in the long run will be the better recognized. I love it that they called him "one of the finest actors of his generation." That's the best.

Welcome back, Serena!! Thank you for filling us in about Billy!!! What a wonderful experience for you!

Love the pic with the teen pics, Bunnie and Achila!!!

Oh yeah--and no sign of Hooligans on the Seattle International Filmfest roster. I took a quick look before work this morning :( . I'll recheck in hopes I missed something

Serena, loved your Billy report. Although it really doesn't seem all that Surrealer and surrealer. to me that your list of theater acquaintances over-laps with his somewhat. Now if he knew quilters that I know, that would be surreal to the 20th! :D ;)

The more I'm thinking about it, the happier I am that Elijah is number 10 on that list of "leading men." Think of it this way: we'll never have to read the words "Elijah Wood has signed to star opposite Jennifer Lopez..." or insert name of any of those other Celebrities-with-a-capital-C. No thank you!

And Achila and Bunnie, thanks for bringing that little snippet form "Teen People." That's good news. Certainly nobody is talking of Eljah as a "has been", "might have been", or "should have been." He's on his way up, and I'm hanging around to see just exactly how far "up" is. I'm expecting that the breathing is apt to get a little tricky as the atmosphere thins considerably! :)

Have been listening to both of the Hooligans songs all afternoon, feeling very frsutrated that there is no date in sight when we American's will get to see this film! :rolleyes: :mad:

honey!

I am so enjoying this conversation about Elijah's film choices.

I struggle to reconcile my wanting to SEE him succeed and hear others acknowledge his fine abilities (still smarting from lack of appreciation for his FRODO) with what the cost would be for him to be on the A LIST.





Elijah's film choices have been (it seems to me) the artful ones. He doesn't need to be a big star to build a respected career that in the long run will be the better recognized. I love it that they called him "one of the finest actors of his generation." That's the best.



A respected career does seem to be the direction he is heading in IMHO. And I agree
That's the best.

OT anyone else read this morning's NewYork Times film review for Kingdom of Heaven?
OUCH. Enough said.

A belated CONGRATULATIONS to Shelbyshire.


Cheers!


saile

New pics of Lij filming the xbox show can be found at patsie's LJ -- www.livejournal.com/users and then add patsie

WARNING -- do not click if you don't like adorable, blue-eyed boys in red velvet....just saying.... ;)

THANK YOU ,THANK YOU, THANK YOU ACHILA!!!!!!!! :k :k :k

HE LOOKS GOURGES AS ALWAYES!!!!!!!!!!!


MMMMM THOSE CLOSE UPS JUST MADE MY DAY!!!!!!!!


LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

Alyon, I think we've found your car salesman! :D That is some jacket! No, I like it, really I do! And why does it please me so innordinately that his shoes always look like they've been through the wars? Love the "distressed" tee-shirt too!

I read an article describing how they get jeans to look like that right off the rack. As a textile geek, I was fascinated. It's quite expensive! But I won't bore you with details.

honey!

oh,i forgott to ask!!

what did the new youk times say about "Kingdom of Heaven???


WOOD

Alyon, I think we've found your car salesman! :D That is some jacket! No, I like it, really I do! And why does it please me so innordinately that his shoes always look like they've been through the wars? My guess is that those items are more of the "vintage" collection. The boots are giving me palpitations, if you must know....

wood, you don't want to know what the NY Times had to say about KoH. :( *It was bad and Orlando is getting the brunt of it in the majority of reviews I've seen*

Should i take that as it was good and orlando got good
rewiwes??

Or maybe it was bad and he got bad rewiwes??

Hmmm.I must admitt i don`t think Orlando is samshing and i don`t
think he is a very good actor!! Don`t no why,maybe it is becuse i have
trubbel with his voice.i think actors shoulde have a good voice,that gets you attention!!
I don`t mean he is all bad,but it is somethoing about him i don`t like
not that i whant him to get bad rewies !!

Or maybe i just don`t like that he is getting more attention then Elijah!!

Hmm guess i have to admit,it`s the later
:rolleyes: :o

wood

He certainly takes pains to not let the red jacket cover up the t-shirt :D -- Is that Eugene Hutz's band it's advertising? The only part of the outfit that gives me a mild "yuck" is the neckline of the t-shirt where it looks like someone has spit, or drooled, or... something. :confused:

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After the clips I saw yesterday, I'm not too surprised that KoH would get negative reviews. My guess (that's all it is) is that the historical epics were what Orlando got offered to him immediately after LotR, so that's what he took. I don't expect they're really what he's best at. He does have some variety coming up: Elizabethtown, which will be a romantic comedy with him and Kirsten Dunst in the lead roles, and a smaller part in Paris, je'taime. Haven, which he made during the years the LotR movies were showing, got some good reviews when it opened at the Toronto Film Festival, but I don't know much about it otherwise. (Oh, yes, and there are also two more "Pirates" movies being shot, and he's in both of those.) He still seems to basically be a stage actor, IMHO, and I don't think the historical epics help him much in learning to adapt his acting to film. The romantic comedy could be interesting.

All of the above info is from IMDb, so I'll take this opportunity to remind those interested in taking part in some ShamelessElijahWoodPromotion ;) to search for "Elijah Wood" at IMDb at every opportunity. (Hey, you can find just about anything you're looking for by linking through him, anyway. :p ) At the end of the year, they announce the list of their "most sought" actors; Elijah wasn't on it last year (and, yeah, IIRC the elf was).

Achila said: My guess is that those items are more of the "vintage" collection. The boots are giving me palpitations, if you must know....

You know, I think I've figured out my 'Lijah-Shoe fetish. It's that they somehow communicate "loyalty." Loyalty right down to his toes. A man who is loyal to his shoes is also loyal to his friends. :)

honey!

Now when you say it!! :o

i thought at first that it looked very worn out and that it was hole in it!! :(
:cool:

in general i love the way he dress but this time he coulde have taken a diffrent t-shirt!!
but i guess thats why i love him !!
he dosen`t care what others thinks!!!

thank you for the the info from IMDb!!


WOOD

tgshaw: Thanks for your information on the books, and for the caution about Tolkien on Film. I think I’ll wait for ceefour’s review of that one. tg, when you talk about “instrumental books,” I assume you mean sheet music? For individual instruments? That’s a whole other area of fandom of which I was unaware.

As for Achila’s link to the lovely xbox pix, you shoe fetishists can drool all you want over the boots – I prefer the red velvet jacket. Just imagine having that arm clad in that around your shoulders. [Slaps self for swooning on this thread.]

[Trying my hardest to give Orli his due]
A couple of weeks ago, Orlando's name was being tossed about at Oscarwatch.com as a possible best actor contender for Elizabethtown!
[/stopping there before I say something snarky, or insert an innapropirate icon]

But back to those shoes, even if they are vintage, and he hasn't been with 'em since the beginning, think what they say of his willingness to take something home that still has character, even though it may be a bit past it's prime! :D
[Joins Pelagia in Swooner's Corner, and slaps self silly]

honey!

Honey elf,Pelagia,may i join the swooners corner??

I t woulde be great if i coulde slap my self in the face

in your company?? :lol: :k

WOOD

A lot of face slapping going on. Members of the Faculty Lounge may be recognized by their scholarly demeanor, sensible glasses, unexpected taste in shoes, and by their red and swollen faces-- which they, to a woman, pass off as some virus which causes the effect. Maybe it's the treatment of said virus that causes the effect. They will deny it emphatically. That is when they get kind of scary... ;) "just who did you call a virus??" :mad: ;)

Honey:
A man who is loyal to his shoes is also loyal to his friends.
Honey, you are so wise ;) Teach this to your girls, ladies. Shoes, look at the shoes.... :D

Pelagia--yeah I also like the red velvet. Elijah likes velvet... :)

OT--our two weekly papers split on Kingdom of Heaven (don't know what the dailies said). One said it was unexpectedly decent--the only mention of OB was to say he looked surprisingly 'butch." The other dissed it and railed on about Orlando not having the weight or authority to carry the the role of someone leading others into battle.
Which, if true, probably just mean he was miscast. They want him for these big budget pictures to pull in the audience even if he might not be exactly right for the role. But it's likely he could do a fine job if had a role that matched who he is in a better way.
But then again--haven't read a lot of reviews yet and the majority opinion might end up being that he was perfect. ???

ETA: Nice to see you delurking, Saile!!
Oh, Yeah--and I forgot to say hi to Linwe when she showed herself in here a few days ago!!
And Este and Meryl Marie from the Harem!! :cool:
and anyone else I forgot :k

Mmmmm .... Elijah in red velvet, drool, swoon .... oops sorry, wrong thread!!

Re Mr Bloom - just watched a programme about KOH and - was it Honey who mentioned his weak voice? - you are so right, he really needs to work on that. Not that I'll spend too much time worrying about him - I can't help but feel a little irritated by his enormous success as a result of LOTR when, compared to others, his was really a minor role :rolleyes: Not that I'd want Lij to have to endure that level of fan mania, & I'm certain he wouldn't want it. I think it was John Noble who said, at the Fellowship Festival last year, that Orli's life was no longer his own & he had actually talked to John about his worries concerning this. He seems a nice enough young man, but I just hope he always remembers who gave him his start. At least he has that tattoo to remind him :)

Nice to see you back Serena - what an exciting time you've been having!! I was quite surprised to hear about that 'certain actor' who didn't want to discuss LOTR - he didn't have any trouble talking about it at the Fellowship Festival. Ah - but then he was being paid to talk about it;)

Also good to see you delurking Saile - I noticed this quote by PJ in your signature "Peter Jackson describing Elijah Wood........(he has) "energy, innocence and charisima." - do you remember what that was from? Don't think I've seen that one before. And on the subject of Elijah descriptions, its amazing how often & quite independently different people have used the phrase 'old soul'. The latest two I've heard quite recently are Franka in the Try 17 BTS video and Marc Warren, one of his 'Hooligans' co-stars. I recently posted this little snippet on my LJ:

"No wonder he bonded so well with the equally otherworldly-looking Elijah Wood, his co-star in the upcoming film Hooligans. 'With Elijah you get this real sense that he's an old soul - those eyes of his look as if he's been around for a long time, so that's why he must have got the part of Frodo".

Apart from the fact that he's such an excellent actor, of course!!

I also have the Tolkien On Film book but so far have only skimmed through it. Can't start it until I finish my current book - still LOTR-related but very different - "When the Fan Hits the S**t" :o Anybody else read that? :eek:

*Suddenly remembers red velvet jacket pics* - must go now - bye :)

tg, when you talk about “instrumental books,” I assume you mean sheet music? For individual instruments? That’s a whole other area of fandom of which I was unaware.
Yes, in fact sometimes I'll start to call it sheet music and then think, "Well, it's in a book, so is it really sheet music :confused: ?" I don't know how much it's a part of fandom, as I don't know if the music can be used individually for each instrument, or if they give the actual "parts" for the instruments to be used as a group. The piano and chord books mention "choral" arrangements, which sounds like it would need a group. If that's true, your music director would have to be a fan, I guess (at least of the music :) ). But some--such as the piano version--could be able to stand alone.

from shireling:
Nice to see you back Serena - what an exciting time you've been having!! I was quite surprised to hear about that 'certain actor' who didn't want to discuss LOTR...
Hmmm... said actor was the only one of the bunch who I remember not liking LotR as a whole. Even the one(s?) ;) who hadn't read the book fell in love with the story, or their character, or Middle-earth. Others talked about ways that the book was changed in order to make it into what they felt were better movies, but he's the only one I remember talking about the movies actually improving the story over the original (thought it was too slow, IIRC). So maybe he's just ready to be done with it.

....Another hmmm.... You know what his problem was... He didn't have a single scene with Elijah! :eek: Didn't have that chance to fall a little bit in love :) .

And greetings to serena, and everyone else I've probably missed saying hi to lately. :o

"When the Fan Hits the S**t" Anybody else read that?
I'm pretty sure grumpy did (who hasn't been around for while, has she? )

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Whether Orli's right for the KoH part in other ways might be a matter of taste, but they got the genetics right, IMHO. :p Here's daddy:

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/off topic/Liam.JPG

Not a pic from the movie, of course--but I picked it up from someone's sig at TORC :p .

Glad to see everyone got to look at the Red Velvet Elijah pics.

They just about bowled me over when I saw them. Red is definitely one of his best colors.

A man who is loyal to his shoes is also loyal to his friends.

Honeyelf! That is perhaps one of the funniest and best ways of summing up Elijah! I love it. :lol:

Aren't those actually NEW boots he's wearing? They look great. Even if they are new I'm sure Elijah will treat them well and be loyal to them. ;)

Here's another pic of him and his fashionable ensemble.

http://pics.livejournal.com/wisteria_way/pic/000689q2/s640x480

Hi all!

I love red velvet too! Mostly love to wear it myself, but eh. Those pictures are nice - glad (personally) to see EW a bit paler (I worry about him overdoing the sun and getting premature wrinkles :rolleyes: ) and with a healthy amount of stubble.

Lots of interesting discussion about Orli, who I am becoming more and more well disposed towards. Towards whom I am becoming more and more well disposed. Whatever. :D I do feel its unfair that he's villified for some of his performances when the director should be blamed for miscasting. Personally I think he's all wrong in the Russell Crowe big sword-wielding hero roles, but would be great in comedy or romance.

It just shows (IMHO) how people in the industry have misunderstood the attraction of LOTR. They assumed everyone craved big ol CGI battles when for many people it was the hobbits - yes, and the fantasy element. In the same way poor old Orli has been typecast as a big epic hero while his attraction in LOTR was that he was pretty, ethereal, and had nice hair. :)

/rant over. Nice to see that quote from Marc Warren, shireling. On another board someone was claiming that Marc wasn't too fond of the film or EW :eek: . However they also claimed that Hooligans had no distribution in the UK, so it could have all been balony. I love Marc Warren to bits. He was spectacular as Monks in Oliver Twist. Another bug-eyed star!

I don't know how much it's a part of fandom, as I don't know if the music can be used individually for each instrument, or if they give the actual "parts" for the instruments to be used as a group. The piano and chord books mention "choral" arrangements, which sounds like it would need a group.

I have the books of sheet music for all three movies, and they are vocal arrangments. Technically, it's called 'choral' because the music is presented with three staffs - one for the vocals, and two for the accompaniment. But it only has one vocal line, so it's presented for one voice, not multiple voices. To play them on the piano, I have to read all three lines at once, and make the changes necessary to integrate the melody line (from the vocals) into the accompaniment. It also includes the guitar chords, which most books like this will do.

The actual orchestral scores, which includes the lines for each instrument, have obviously been prepared, but this is another whole kettle of fish. Orchestral music has only one line of music per page, since each instrument has to be represented, and is thus far more expensive, and available only directly from the companies that sell orchestral music. Usually, you'll never see these except in the hands of professional orchestras - they are very expensive. The choral arrangements for orchestral accompaniment would be similar, with multiple lines for the multiple voices. Again, these are going to be in pretty limited distribution, pretty much restricted to professional orchestras.

And I'll joing the line of those with red faces due to the red velvet jacket. Wowsa. :D

While I'm admitting to middle-age hormones, I'll say that when I see the ads for KoH, it's the first time I've seen Orlando and gone...Hmmmm, now that's nice. :D I'm blaming it on the facial hair, which strengthens the planes of his face, IMO.

And I'll joing the line of those with red faces due to the red velvet jacket. Wowsa. :DIt's something about him in that color...my my my...well, isn't it usually the male who is the more beautiful in most species? ;)

Narya, thanks for the info on the music books. So the one for, say, tenor sax, would have music that could be played by one person on a tenor sax, without needing all the other instruments? I've been tempted to get the one for flute solos, but was afraid that's all it would have--that is, the parts that actually were flute solos in the movies.

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Yes, Elijah in red... love that red sweater in Bumblebee :) . I think I'd like the red jacket better if I saw more of it--that is, if he wasn't so intent on showing off that t-shirt :rolleyes: . I feel like I'm not really getting a proper view of the jacket :p . Is this what he's actually wearing on the x-box program? If so, maybe there will be better shots of it.

There are a few pics from the actual show over at TORN. Here's one: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/redjacket.jpg

There are a few where he's slouching so much I want to run a maternal finger up his spine, and tell him to "stand up straight, Boy!" :D One day he's got me swooning, the next I want to mother him! :rolleyes:

honey!

I can't remember if anyone posted this or not: there was a brief interview in Sports Illustrated magazine, different from the one that was online, and a friend of mine typed it up and posted it this evening. Forgive me if this is old news:

In Hooligans, the actor, 24, plays a student who becomes immersed in the world of English soccer thugs.



SI: Won’t people see you in this film and wonder what happened to lovable Frodo Baggins?

Wood: Which is definitely a good thing [laughs]. It’s always good to change people’s perceptions of who you are. To be able to play a character who becomes excited about fighting and gets sucked into that world was good.

SI: How are your fighting skills?

Wood: We worked with our fight trainer and fight choreographer nearly every day.

SI: Any soccer in your background?

Wood: I was first exposed to it during Lord of the Rings because a lot of the actors were English. I became a Manchester United fan by default because Dom [Rings costar Dominic Monaghan] is a huge Man U fan.

SI: This film is playing at the Tribeca Film Festival this week, but it doesn’t have a domestic distribution deal. How’s that going?

Wood: It’s been doing well at festivals, and as a result we could get distribution before the end of the year. It’s a good film, and it has an interesting story to tell.

SI: Your character falls in with supporters of West Ham United. You attended a game with them, right?

Wood: We went to a West Ham-Millwall game, which is sort of the centerpiece of the film. West Ham and Millwall have been rivals for years. We got to sit with the West Ham supporters, and there were more than 1,000 police officer waiting for something to kick off.

SI: What was it like being there?

Wood: There is something that completely grabs you. We soon found ourselves – because we were sitting in the West Ham supporters area – heckling the Millwall guys with great fervor. You get sucked into this very visceral and intense kind of madness. I’ve never been to a sporting event as exciting, or as on the edge of sanity, as that.

There are a few where he's slouching so much I want to run a maternal finger up his spine, and tell him to "stand up straight, Boy!"
Seeing the red jacket in profile there, it isn't made for slouching in :p . It fits too nicely down the back.

Thanks for the SI interview, Bunnie. There was a link to the online article posted, but I don't think the print version has been.

I was happily surprised that SI took so much notice of Hooligans. For the online version, the link on the homepage just said there was an interview with Elijah Wood. Period. Not "SI talks to Frodo about new soccer movie." That makes me think they expected readers (at least the online ones, who might be more likely to be aware of it) to know there was a reason they were interviewing Elijah Wood. SI is as mainstream American sports as you can get--you'd think a distributor would take the hint. :rolleyes: :confused: I'm glad the interviewer asked that specific question.

THANK YOU Bunnie for the article!!!

Well,i take the chanse for swooning!!!

I think the velvet is very beautiful on him and that it is a little pitty
that it is to long, i mean you don`t see his behind!!! :p :D

TG otherwise i agree with you ,just so i can come back!! :lol: :lol:

Oh i bought ,The One Ring yeasterday so if i shoulde diseper
you know why!!! :cool:

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

tg, the books for different instruments would include a variety of music from the movies, not just the pieces actually played by that instrument in the orchestral version. (Otherwise there would be no music for piano. ;) ) They usually adapt the melody line for each instrument, so what pieces are included will vary by instrument - the double-bass is more likely to get music from Khazaddum, and the flute to get music from Lorien. :) And yes, unless it's explictly from a 'band' series, they would be intended to be complete when played by only the one instrument.

And honey, if you can envision running a finger up his spine as a maternal gesture, you're a better woman than I am. :D :D

Bunnie, thanks for that interview. :)

Did anyone get to see “I’m Still Here” last Wednesday on MTV? Achila shared her tape with me. The program was very well done, and very moving. Elijah read from two diaries, quite nicely, as you would expect. In fact, all of the readers were effective -- even Brittany Murphy (who generally doesn’t impress me too much). One scary aspect of the program was a series of vignettes where young people were asked what the Holocaust was. Sample answer: “It’s a Jewish holiday, around the same time as Christmas.” As a former history teacher, I can only weep.

Random wrote, re Orlando Bloom:
… poor old Orli has been typecast as a big epic hero while his attraction in LOTR was that he was pretty, ethereal, and had nice hair.The New Yorker review (not very positive) of Kingdom of Heaven sums up OB’s LOTR appeal nicely, for me at any rate:
Bloom’s Legolas . . . was cool and winning because of the grace with which he slid and breezed through every manner of peril. . .Sounds like a light rom-com kind of actor to me, rather than an epic action hero. They should try him in a Hugh-Grant-type role -- the bashful Hugh, not the rakish Hugh (whom I actually prefer).

honey! Thanks for the still from the Xbox show. (I don't think I can take any more red velvet!)

Just back from a weekend away, and wanted to wish a Happy Mother's Day to all the Moms in the group. :k

THANK YOU SO MUCH ACHILA!!! :k :k

HERE IN SWEDEN WE ARE LATE,WE DON`T

CELEBRATE MOTHERS DAY UNTILL LAST SUNDAY IN MAY

I THINK IT IS ABOUT THREE WEEKS!!!!

BUT THANKS ANYWAY!!! :k :k

AND I WISH THE SAME TO OTHER MOTHERS!!!


LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

:D

I TOO LOVE the vintage clothing on him, and yeah (applauding)!!.... we get to see him in it on the special next week on MTV that he is hosting, yes? So does anyone know if the buyer actually knows who owned the piece of clothing prior? How does that work? Or is it like my goodwill store or as one locally calls itself “avant garage”.


I also loved seeing him in that gorgeous tuxedo he wore to the “roast” and the Chanel opening. I think someone here (was it honeyelf and Achila?) who provided the info that Elijah was the last minute guest of Liev Schreiber who is performing on Broadway. I hear he is getting rave reviews for his performance ( as Richard Roma). It can’t hurt Elijah to be in the company of Mr. Schreiber, another well respected actor.

Don’t you wonder a little what that relationship is like - Liev and Elijah? Is this early promotion for EII? Wasn’t it Serena who had alluded to how difficult a filming experience EII was for EW (from an outside perspective, so only guessing)? We have only had small tidbits about EII from Liev Schreiber but so far it sounded like Liev Schreiber respected EW. It does (seem to me) that Elijah is very smart in trying to build a career for the long haul, ..... he really wants to learn something new, a challenge but within his grasp. So many things can go wrong in the film industry…… bad editing and a good movie becomes a mediocre one. I am amazed at how well IMHO he has a grasp on all this. He seems incredibly grounded. How does he do that?

Shireling, you asked about one of my signature quotes...

I think IIRC that it was an interview with PJ about the casting for Frodo, in regards to Elijah. It must have been after the FOTR extended DVD was released but before the release of TTT, likely December 2002. I no longer remember the phrasing of the question, only the answer…."energy, innocence and charisma.” I keep a journal, not unlike the LJ online these days but mine is in notebooks. My first entry for EW was from the Time magazine interview preceding the release of TTT……a quote describing Elijah as “talented, blue eyed and impossibly cute.” The PJ quote followed it in my journal. At the time I had limited ability to copy, save or print online info so I relied on just writing down what I wanted to remember. There was a lot of interview material out there during that time (what an incredible rush that was). I was pleased with pj's description of Elijah and those words became part of my "Elijah mantra". (yes I do have an ew mantra, what can I say?) I wish I could find the article now, and will go on a hunt for it. I will let you know if I find it.

And thanks Random for the link to goldderby. A very good and interesting interview, and one I had not heard. And he said good things about ew too.


cheers!

saile

I TOO LOVE the vintage clothing on him, and yeah (applauding)!!.... we get to see him in it on the special next week on MTV that he is hosting, yes?Yes. And btw, according to an LJ friend, he's also on TRL on Friday, May 13, as an invited guest at the Skywalker Ranch for their Star Wars show (there was some discussion about whether he would actually be there -- he was).

So does anyone know if the buyer actually knows who owned the piece of clothing prior? How does that work? Or is it like my goodwill store or as one locally calls itself “avant garage”.Vintage clothing, unless it's being offered on ebay, is sold in a store. Lij apparently likes the idea -- he has quite a few vintage pieces, including the One Tan Jacket and the leather jacket with the painted face on the back (which was from Beth Frank's in LA), among other things.

Finally got round to transcribing that article from Total Film - not much new, but nice anyway. Has anyone else noticed how Elijah is slowly joining that privileged group of celebrities referred to only by their first name? :D


Hobbit Goes Hardcore

‘Ave it! Elijah Wood smashes faces in vicious football yob-flick Hooligans, kicking off a summer of soccer movies…

We know what you’re thinking. The words ‘Wood’ and ‘hard’ belong in a Wild Things review, not in an article about baby-faced, big-eyed Elijah. Well, get this: since ditching his hairy feet, the Lord of the Rings star has turned baaad. Conniving in Eternal Sunshine, chilling in Sin City, and now – confirmed by the savage trailer – utterly hardcore as a smash-happy football thug in upcoming Brit flick Hooligans.

“It’s fascinating, something very different from anything I’ve ever done,” buzzes Wood. “Sport’s big in the States but I’ve been to three or four matches and I’ve never felt that kind of energy in the crowd before. I didn’t see any actual violence, but it was definitely in the air… you could feel it.”

Wood stars as Matt Buckman, a young American who moves to London after being kicked out of Harvard and mixes with a violent gang of West Ham fans, led by Charlie Hunnam. “They become sort of his family and he ends up falling into the world of hooliganism,” says Wood. Thumping, raw-knuckled brawling ensures and according to Cass Pennant, author of the original book, Wood took to it a treat. “A few lads would take the piss out of the hobgoblin,” smirks Pennant. “But he won them over. His fans will be horrified to see their idol covered in blood.”

In fact, it was Elijah’s fighting that got the movie made. “I was blown away!” exclaims former world champion karate and kickboxing champ turned writer/director Lexi Alexander. “The fact that someone like Elijah sat down with the potential financiers and said, ‘Okay, we have to do this…’ My God!”

{more info about other footy flicks follows}



'His fans will be horrified to see their idol covered in blood' - heh. Not this one. :eek:

Looks like Elwood is going to be doing his DJ thing again:

ALTERNATIVE PRESS MAGAZINE CELEBRATES 20 YEARS OF “NEW MUSIC NOW” Independent Music Magazine Hosts Anniversary Party May 25 In Hollywood, with Transplants, My Chemical Romance, Say Anything and DJ Elijah Wood to Appear (http://www.manhunt.com/news/stories/1115571173.html)

I hope that he's using this sort of opportunity to further his progress on developing his own recording label. I'd really like to see that get off the ground for him.

Hello, dear colleagues!

Just jumping in with a rare gift, courtesy of the New York Times, which had a special session on Summer Movies. Needless to say, THIS caught my eye:



http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/peaceweaver/08aug.jpg


Though, I must say, those red velvet blazer pics are veeery nice, too.

Peaceweaver, what an adorable picture! Now Narya, tell me that doesn't stir a maternal feeling or two! :D ;) Like a sleeping cherub. With bad eye-sight! :D

Pelagia, I watched "I'm Still Here" too, and thought it pretty well done. One thing I noticed about Elijah's reading; he tended to read in a fairly "neutral" tone, letting the words draw the picture. Brittany Murphy, whom I know very little of, tended to read more dramatically. I thought both approaches worked very well, but I think I respected Elijah's style a bit more, as it didn't call attention to the reader, but to the material.

And yes, I was really shocked by the answers those young people gave in the "think" segments! How frightening that they are so ignorant! :eek:

Thanks for the SI article, Bunnie! And Random! Loved the article you brought in too!

honey!

Did anyone get to see “I’m Still Here” ...One scary aspect of the program was a series of vignettes where young people were asked what the Holocaust was...
MTV doesn't usually get my appreciation, but if they keep doing shows like this occasionally they'll definitely move up in my opinion--a lot of kids will watch something if it's on MTV that they wouldn't bother with on any other channel. I'm hoping it'll be made more available in some format, not just for us non-cable folks, but for MTV viewers who missed it or want to watch it again.

...sums up OB’s LOTR appeal nicely, for me at any rate... Sounds like a light rom-com kind of actor to me, rather than an epic action hero. They should try him in a Hugh-Grant-type role -- the bashful Hugh, not the rakish Hugh (whom I actually prefer).
From what I've read of Elizabethtown, it just might qualify. :)

saile--There are some stores that provide "previous owner" info on some clothes if they have it, especially if the previous owner was a big star (usually affordable only by other big stars :rolleyes: ). But I don't think that's common--in fact, some well-known people won't bring clothes in for resale unless it's anonymous because they're afraid it'll hurt their image. Something that calls itself a "vintage" clothing store is going to be pickier about what they take than a Goodwill/Salvation Army/etc. type thrift store, because the clothes aren't donated to them. "Vintage" doesn't necessarily equal "cheap." I can see how someone with as eclectic a taste as Elijah would like to shop in them--much more variety than you'd find if you limited yourself to what's new.

Thanks to Random and Bunnie for the articles, and peaceweaver for the latest "Awww..." picture. I want to see this movie! :cool:

Random – Thanks for the Total Film writeup on Hooligans. The other week, I found an interesting article in The Guardian (UK) online, about American sports movies. For me, it clarified some of my own instinctive feelings about why Hooligans may have a tough time finding a US audience (since hooliganism could be viewed as a subset of superfandom). The writer is talking about Fever Pitch, which is a remake of a British film (based on a book by Nick Hornby) about an obsessed fan, with American baseball replacing British football:
It's not just that the perfectly watchable Colin Firth vehicle already exists (OK - perfectly watchable for a soccer movie). It's that the subject matter just doesn't translate to an American setting. There are probably millions of US sports fans every bit as pitifully anally retentive as Hornby - but America is big enough to absorb and ignore them. Whereas in Britain, of course, they set the cultural agenda. . . . For most Americans, "sports" are one entertainment category among many and the superfan is a freak. When he appears in American fiction, the ultra is invariably portrayed as a figure of contempt (Homer Simpson in the episode where the Springfield Isotopes make the play-offs), comically foreign (Daphne's brothers in Frasier) or as a deranged menace (Robert De Niro in The Fan). Firth's character in the soccer Fever Pitch was every other bloke you know. Jimmy Fallon's baseballed version is just one of those vaguely amusing losers who do all the screaming down at the ballpark. He's a grotesque. And that's probably why the baseballed Fever Pitch only so-so'ed at the US box office.Achila wrote:
. . . he has quite a few vintage pieces, including the One Tan Jacket Is that the same garment as the Crappy Tan Jacket? And if so, was it vintage when he bought it, or has it just become vintage because he’s been wearing it for so long? ;)

Is that the same garment as the Crappy Tan Jacket? And if so, was it vintage when he bought it, or has it just become vintage because he’s been wearing it for so long? ;)Yes, yes and yes! :lol:

IIRC, the green velvet suit that he wore at the Golden Globes was also purchased at a vintage store.

Pelagia said: For me, it clarified some of my own instinctive feelings about why Hooligans may have a tough time finding a US audience (since hooliganism could be viewed as a subset of superfandom).

Except that Hooligans is told from an American's point of view, an American who grows to understand that there is more to hooliganism than randomly bashing heads in. He's supposed to be the lens through which we get a glimpse of that world.

And Audience response to it has been good, American audience response! Surely those audiences weren't all Elijah Wood fans, or Charlie Hunnam fans. They must have seen and understood something that they saw. Surely they didn't just connect to the visceral blood-n-guts bits, because apparently there's some story holding those bits together!

I keep thinking this movie has Lion's Gates Films written all over it. Yes, that would mean art house theaters, and yes that would mean limited distribution. Surely they aren't holding out for wider distribution? As some one pointed out last week, movies have been known to jump from Art House to Cineplex before. Anyone for "My Big Fat British Brawl"? ;)

ETA: I'm thinking of Matt Bruckner; he comes from America where we stand for rugged individualism, but where he's taken the fall for someone else's wrong-doing anyhow. He goes to England where the individual is not so strongly regarded, and takes up with a bunch of "criminals" with whom he find's commararderie, and brotherhood; people who are there for him when he takes a fist to the face. Hey, you could set it in Asia, and have it be about fighting-roosters instead; I'd still think those are themes even us "ig-nernt" American's can grasp!

honey!

::just distribute the durn thing, and sell me a ticket...one will do for now, but I'll come back soon::

Hello Faculty!

I have only read the first three essays in Tolkien on Film. It had been 18 years since my last reading of LOTR and the release of FOTR. I was the fan PJ had in mind; enough time had passed that the general story was remembered, but not the specifics. For Tolkien scholars (which I am not) and the more book-purist fans, I understand their reasons for not liking the movies. Many of the criticisms are logical, but the impression conveyed (especially by the second essay Summa Jacksonica) is that I should feel guilty, or even stupid, for liking these movies as much as I do. There are still 11 essays left, so maybe my first impressions are incorrect. Am I off the mark here, tg?

One criticism in particular caught my attention.

Jackson has been justifiably praised for allowing his male characters to show the same emotion and unselfconscious physical affection for each other that they demonstrate in the books, and Elijah Wood and Sean Astin do a particularly good job portraying this aspect of Frodo and Sams's friendship. But Jackson does at times go overboard, dwelling on a character's pain too long and disrupting the rhythm of a scene. For example, after Gandalf's fall in Moria, Frodo screams in slow-motion and is carried away by Boromir like a child having a tantrum (Fellowship, scene 36:"The Bridge of Khazad-dum"). Dwelling on Frodo's beautiful but anguished face for just a beat too long makes all the difference to the pacing of this scene,...

C-must go watch The Turn a few dozen times to see how disruptive it is-4

ETA-Pelagia, it looks like the neckline of EW's tee shirt had bleach spilled on it. The Red Velvet Jacket is :cool: !

ETA 2-There should be news about the LOTR soundtrack book and complete soundtrack sometime in the next month. This was posted last week on TORN.

C4 said: it looks like the neckline of EW's tee shirt had bleach spilled on it.

Among us textile geeks, who will try anything on our fabric for effect, that is known as "dye discharging." I think it's pretty cool, but I suppose folks like Jay Leno are nodding their heads, and saying "yup, finally doing his own laundry. Needs more practice."

I used to love vintage clothes, and usually wore something vintage to my husband's company Holiday parties. But as one gets older, "vintage" gets harder to wear; at some point you start to look like you might have been the original owner, and that is NOT a good thing! ;)

honey!

Delurking briefly to give my own 2 cents on Kingdom of Heaven which I saw yesterday instead of traveling to Michigan to visit my mother on Mother's Day :o :eek: ;) I liked the movie better than I had been led to expect from the reviews I've seen. Orlando was fine in the lead role. He plays a very unlikely and reluctant hero; those who have criticized him for not being Russell Crowe are missing the point and projecting their own definition of film hero onto young Mr. Bloom. IMHO, of course :D . Reminds me of certain critics who didn't 'get' Elijah's Frodo--not that I am comparing the talents of Elwood and Orlando, I hasten to add! ;)

C-must go watch The Turn a few dozen times to see what a how disruptive it is-4

That's an interesting criticism, C4, and I'd almost be inclined to agree. However, the scene that is described never bothered me that way (in fact, I find it incredibly moving and poignant), unlike the scene during the battle with the cave troll when Frodo is "speared", and I always feel like PJ let that moment drag on a beat -- or maybe two -- too long.

I used to love vintage clothes, and usually wore something vintage to my husband's company Holiday parties. But as one gets older, "vintage" gets harder to wear; at some point you start to look like you might have been the original owner, and that is NOT a good thing! ;)

honey!

:lol: Honey, I agree totally. The younger you are the older the gear can be. NOT vice versa. :D

Yessss, Elwood in red velvet is - niiice. :cool:
Even nicer than this gentleman -

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/dali-red-velvet-coat.jpg

*ducks* :haha:

ceefour: Thanks for the feedback-thus-far about Tolkien on Film. Now I’m having second thoughts about giving these people my money, in view of your comment:
Many of the criticisms are logical, but the impression conveyed (especially by the second essay Summa Jacksonica) is that I should feel guilty, or even stupid, for liking these movies as much as I do. Sounds as if objective criticism is edging into “elitist” in-group-ism here. As for the criticism you quoted about the Bridge of Khazad-Dum scene:
Dwelling on Frodo's beautiful but anguished face for just a beat too long makes all the difference to the pacing of this scene,... Let’s first of all set aside the issue of whether the camera could ever dwell on Frodo’s face for too long. (We all know the answer to that one.) In the film, we see the tight closeup on Frodo screaming “No!” after which everything goes into slo-mo: Gandalf disappearing into the abyss; closeup on Aragorn looking stricken; Boromir starting to carry Frodo away as Frodo turns toward the camera and screams “No!” again; closeup on Aragorn again; Boromir carrying Frodo (still screaming) out; and Aragorn retreating in a hail of orc arrows. (At least, I think that’s the order in which things happen.) It all has a great rhythm to it. And even conceding (as I do not) “a beat too long,” how that can make “all the difference to the pacing” is beyond me, given everything else that goes on in this scene. (I didn't get the impression that the writer was including "The Turn" in the criticism, but maybe I'm wrong.) But I agree completely with BunnieBugs that the "spearing" scene is too dragged out.

honeyelf: Thanks for the info on dye discharging. I was wondering how that effect on his T-shirt was achieved. (I hoped it wasn’t an accident.) As for the distribution issue for Hooligans, US audience reaction has indeed been favorable so far, but as Achila and I pointed out in our original review, these were festival audiences (who probably overlap with the art-house crowd). I’d be happy with art houses at this point. Better to have good notices there than the kind of reviews that poor Orli is getting in the multiplexes, IMHO.

BunnieBugs, you mention the cave troll scene, as does the author of the essay. She also includes "his injuries and subsequent agonies... at Weathertop and during the flight to Rivendell, ..., and after he is stung by Shelob."

Hmm, these are all EW close-ups. (She must be a VM fan.) :D

Whiteling, :lol:

C4

HI EVERYONE!!!

I HAVE FOUND SOMETHING ON IMDb FORUM,DON`T KNOW
IF THIS HAS BEEN POSTED BEFORE!!

AND THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT US DISTRIBUTION ALSO
BUT I THINK THE LANGUAGE WAS A LITLE STRONG FOR POSTING
IT HERE ,AND THERE WASEN`T ANY NEWS EITHER JUST DIFFRENT
OPINIONS!!

I do not know about the rest of the English cast, but Elijah Wood has been keeping pretty busy. After making three movies in a row last year (Hooligans Sin City and Everything is Illuminated) Elijah said that he was going to take this year off to rest, promote the films when they come out and generally do what he wants to do for a change. He was at SXSW, Austin, Texas for the World Premiere of Hooligans. L.A. for the premiere of Sin City. New York for the Chanel dress up thing. Rumored to have been in Sidney, Australia to do some pick-up voice over work on the film Happy Feet. May 4th was a diary reading on MTV. May 12th Elijah will host the X-Box 2 game launching on MTV. May 13th will be a guest on MTV Total Request Live (TRL) Star Wars special. You know that he will be at the premiere of Star Wars III on May 19th. "Everything is Illuminated" premieres in Ausgust. On August 26-28, Elijah will be at the ELF Convention (East Coast LOTR Party) in Orlando Florida. Rumor has it that he has selected his next movie project: "Dante's Inferno" but little is known yet.

SORRY FOR INTEREPT THE ANGOING DISCUTION!! :( :k

C4 ,or maybe a orlifan!!

Whiteling you crasy girl!!!that is to funny!! :lol:

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

I'm like the rest of you in that I didn't find Frodo's scream after Gandalf's fall at all over the top. It's there amidst eveyone else's reactions, too. What's more, it underscores movie-Frodo's taking the blame on himself, and decision to leave the Fellowship. Too long? Nope, no way.

What I thought was odd about that snippet you posted, C4, was this:

Jackson has been justifiably praised for allowing his male characters to show the same emotion and unselfconscious physical affection for each other that they demonstrate in the books, and Elijah Wood and Sean Astin do a particularly good job portraying this aspect of Frodo and Sams's friendship.

The essayist calls herself a Tolkien purist does she? :rolleyes: I'm no purist, having come to the book by way of the movies, but this is one aspect of the movies that is incorrect IMVHO. Again, I loved the movies, but they aren't really true to the book in depicting Frodo and Sam's relationship.

In the book Sam always touched Frodo with a purpose. At Rivendell he took his hand to see if it was still cold, and if Frodo was really on the mend. He became a support for Frodo in Moria, because Frodo had just gotten seriously pounded, and could barely keep up. In Mordor Frodo was cold, and lacking a blanket Sam warmed him with his own body. The relationship is still very servant/master. And Frodo's affection for Sam was expressed in words, and in keeping Sam safe after the quest.

In the movies Frodo initiated all of the instances of affection that I can think of. (Maybe part of the movie's younger Frodo?) He initiates the hug in the boat on the Anduin, and the hug as they wait to die after Mt. Doom. He leans against Sam's shoulder and falls asleep, not waiting to be invited. Book-Frodo would never have expressed his affection for Sam in that way. For one thing he was too reserved, but for another I don't think he knew what his own needs were half the time, due to his inner struggle with the ring.

So I think it's funny that the essayist thought Jackson got that part right, but objects to a few extra seconds of film spent on Frodo's "beautiful" face! Maybe she would have preferred a plainer actor?

honey!

who really needs to go do something else now!

Street date in the US -- 8-23-05

Also, I was wandering around on the IMDB and on Hooligans' page, found a rather lengthy discussion of what Elijah's up to these days. The person who wrote the entry said: "Elijah said (my insertion -- where, I don't know) he was going to take this year off to rest, promote the films when they come out and generally do what he wants to do for a change." Also, she/he wrote that his recent trip to Sydney was to do pick-ups for Happy Feet. Sounds logical.

Considering that it's already May and no announcement of any roles for 2005, I'm beginning to believe this' exactly what's happening. I do find it great that he's doing so many other things and that that little tidbit of a role in Sin City seems to have worked wonders for his "street cred".

May 19th is the premiere for Star Wars ROTS -- we can probably expect an appearance at that.


ETA: Just simulposted with wood. Sorry! But since the language of part of it *was* strong, I'll paraphrase it for you:

Outside of the film being released in Europe and South Africa over the next few months, it seems that a U.S. release might be a lost cause. U.S. distributors are being ****- whipped by the soccer-mom groups and conservative Christian Fundamentalists over the language and violence thing. As far as I know, none of them has even seen this movie yet. It is more of a general attack against the sex, drugs, strong language and violence that "Hollywood" has been portraying over the past 30 years. I really do not think that a U.S. distributor is going to pick up this movie, or they would have done so already. Anyone who does will be immediately attacked, harranged, and all of their products boycotted by the CCF and SMG's. All of the distributors are being cowed and *****-whipped.

Also, I was wandering around on the IMDB and on Hooligans' page, found a rather lengthy discussion of what Elijah's up to these days. The person who wrote the entry said: "Elijah said (my insertion -- where, I don't know) he was going to take this year off to rest, promote the films when they come out and generally do what he wants to do for a change." Also, she/he wrote that his recent trip to Sydney was to do pick-ups for Happy Feet. Sounds logical.

I never know how much credence to lend such discussions, but it does seem as though at least some of it is accurate. There's that little Dante faux pas, though... ;)


May 19th is the premiere for Star Wars ROTS -- we can probably expect an appearance at that.

Think he'll wait in line with the other geeks like he did last time? :D

Now, I just have to take moment to :lol: over your acronym for Revenge of the Sith. Star Wars ROTS is precisely what a lot of hardcore Star Wars fans think about the first 2 episodes. :haha:

Thanks for the "translation", Achila! :( Does this have to mean that we'll never even get it on DVD in the USA? How does DVD disrtibution work? Anybody know?

I never know how much credence to lend such discussions, but it does seem as though at least some of it is accurate. There's that little Dante faux pas, though... ;)Yep -- I saw that. Also, the release date for EII was still given as August. The only reason I noticed it and recounted it here is that I had a sneaking suspicion I know who the poster is -- I encountered her on Oscarwatch, and she seems to be somewhat knowledgable.

Think he'll wait in line with the other geeks like he did last time? :D You may well be right, Bunnie -- hopefully, he'll stand outside the Arclight, rather than Mann's Chinese, where they WERE on line!

Now, I just have to take moment to :lol: over your acronym for Revenge of the Sith. Star Wars ROTS is precisely what a lot of hardcore Star Wars fans think about the first 2 episodes. :haha:He -- too true!!!


ETA -- Once again, our LJ friend patsie brings the goods -- go over to her LJ to see pics of Lij at Skywalker Ranch with cast members and others from Star Wars. He looks like he's in Seventh Heaven!

...Many of the criticisms are logical, but the impression conveyed (especially by the second essay Summa Jacksonica) is that I should feel guilty, or even stupid, for liking these movies as much as I do. There are still 11 essays left, so maybe my first impressions are incorrect. Am I off the mark here, tg?
That's the impression I got from the comments in the discussion group--so I was wondering if you'd think the same. There's one at least who'd always take umbrage when someone said he hated the movies--because he said he really liked them--but I don't recall him ever saying a positive thing about them. But, there are some who've never given any pretense of liking the movies at all. (I'm hesitant to mention names, since the discussion is on an email list rather than a public message board.) Of course, these tend to be the most vocal, argument-loving people in the group, so meeker folk learned pretty quickly not to say anything praising the movies if they didn't want to be attacked. After one particularly anti-movie-Frodo post, I got brave enough to defend the way Elijah played the character, and that didn't seem to be at issue. In fact, I've noticed that in most of the negative remarks the acting isn't discussed, which kind of makes sense since what they're attacking is the story itself.

As far as there being logical complaints--I'd agree. Besides the fact that most of these people would never let themselves be caught being illogical :eek: :eek: , especially where anything Tolkien is concerned, I've always said that I agree with a lot of the complaints. But I somehow manage to love the movies anyway. IMHO, it's a case of whether you want to focus on the many things that were done right, or the few that were done wrong.

Had a bit of a :D :haha: at this...
For example, after Gandalf's fall in Moria, Frodo screams in slow-motion and is carried away by Boromir like a child having a tantrum...
When I first read this criticism--thanks to the email group--it said that Aragorn carried Frodo away... I'm glad they had a fact-checker (since, in my experience, a number of these essay authors haven't seen the movies often enough to remember them accurately :rolleyes: ).


must go watch The Turn a few dozen times to see how disruptive it is
:lol: (Although I have to say that it disrupted my psyche pretty badly the first time I saw it, and it hasn't stopped yet.)

ETA-Pelagia, it looks like the neckline of EW's tee shirt had bleach spilled on it. The Red Velvet Jacket is :cool: !
Thank you for that note... bleach I can handle... I was afraid it was something much worse... :(

I saw a review for Sin City up at Mutant Reviewers from Hell (I'll put in the link since they are very strict about keeping language PG to PG-13 at the most--http://www.mutantreviewers.com/rsincity.html). I liked what the second reviewer said about the villains, Kevin in particular:

The villains, because yes, some characters were actually worse than others, were absolutely brilliant and twisted. I realize a lot of credit goes to Frank Miller, the author of the comic (a term I keep using solely to annoy the guys on staff), but Kevin has got to be the creepiest, most disgusting, most disturbing villain I’ve seen in a long, long time. And boy, is Elijah Wood trying to break out of Frodo. First Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, and now Kevin in Sin City. Let’s just say he’s as far away from Frodo as you can get. But twisted is a great word — Kevin stuck in my head for a long, long time. And so much of what he did was only stated or implied — you didn’t actually see it. And I’ll reiterate my belief that it’s far more effective to leave things to the imagination than to show it on screen sometimes.

Here's a link to a page with an audio interview with Elijah at the launch of the new X-box (backstage before the show). Its mainly about his love of gaming although he briefly mentions EII too.

X-Box launch interview (http://www.majornelson.com/wp/2005/05/06/m-tv-post-party-blogcast/)

Enjoy. :)

I just have to revisit that bit you posted from IMDB, Achila. These people (the SMFs and CCFs) can't possibly keep this movie out of theaters! Have any of you been to a movie lately? If so you've seen that trailer for Rob Zombie's The Devil's Rejects! Just watching the trailer makes me want to go home and take a shower, it's that :eek: So don't tell me a bit of language and some violence are going to keep a movie out of distribution! Especially when the movie is not about the violence! I'm :mad: at the short-sighted distributors who are passing this one over! :mad: :mad:

Going to go see what I can do about that petition idea I had a few weeks back...

honey!

ETA: OK, here's my first pass at this. I'd really appreciate any input any one here has on making it better:

We, the fans of Charlie Hunnam, Elijah Wood, and British football (soccer) appeal to the film's potential distributors. Americal audiences want the opportunity to see the film Hooligans written by Dougie Brimson, and directed by first-tme director Lexi Alexander. Hooligans has won awards ast both the SXSW film festival, and at (insert name of other film-fest it won “audience choice” at).

The movie is about a culture we don’t understand in the US, but it’s also about introducing us to that culture through the character of Matt Buckner. He is our entrée to that culture, as we experience it through his eyes. American audiences are intelligent enough to understand this film. There have been other, similar films that did well. Trainspotting portayed a world of heroin addiction foreign to most viewers, and it was critically acclaimed in the US, despite the heavy Scottish accents.

Please give us the chance to see this film, and to judge for ourselves it’s merits.

It's rough, and is only my first attempt at this sort of thing. (And I'm tired) Please, :z: your thoughts would be much appreciated!

honeyelf wrote:
These people (the SMFs and CCFs) can't possibly keep this movie out of theaters! Have any of you been to a movie lately? If so you've seen that trailer for Rob Zombie's The Devil's Rejects! Just watching the trailer makes me want to go home and take a shower, it's that. So don't tell me a bit of language and some violence are going to keep a movie out of distribution! I agree that language and violence alone wouldn’t be enough to keep Hooligans out of US theaters. But those elements combined with the “foreign” subject matter, and with the fact that Lexi Alexander is a relatively unknown director here, make the film a hard “sell.” If it were directed by Quentin Tarantino, nobody would even blink at the violence. (I never saw Kill Bill, but I can’t imagine that it was any less bloody than Hooligans.) Or if it were about zombies or satanism or mad killers dispatching teenagers, it would probably find a home.

I think Hooligans would need to be “positioned” (as we say in marketing :rolleyes: ) differently for promotion to a US audience. Perhaps if the emphasis were more on the comradeship of the “firm,” and on Matt’s search for a place to “belong,” people here would be more receptive. Of course, then you run the risk that the movie people see isn’t quite what they expect; but that happens all the time in film promotion. How many people (myself included) saw The Good Girl in the belief that it was a comedy?

Good stuff honey, it was the Malibu Festival it also won awards at. I would specify mention how it won audience awards, showing that it was popular.

Oh and it should be its rather than it’s!

Splendid otherwise.

Honeyelf I totally agree with you!!!

There are other movies there the violence is harder
and in some case for no reson!!!

Holligans are ,what i have i understood anyway,A movie with a real story
behind.Not that i give them right in fighting becuse of a sport!
But i got the inpression there is more then that!Matt is going throu a
hard time and he is realy struggeling with him self in the beginning!

Am i right???

I think what you wrote a great and i will stand behind you!!!! :k :k

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

I am overloaded with work, so of course I am tracking down interesting tangents to avoid doing what has to be done...and I just found a very cute, sometimes profane (so I won't link to it) site, which offers Four Word Film Reviews. Some of them are hilarious, so I wanted to share. Here are a couple of examples:

Return of the King: The King and Eye, Frodo got Fingered
Sin City: Rourke Chops Wood, Elijah Wood eat you

How about a little game? Which movies do these refer to?

Frodo in the 'Hood?
Wood Burns into Ash?
Frodo not Home Alone?
Hobbit gets Hitched?
Wood floats down River?

Can you tell I would rather be doing anything else than what I am supposed to be doing? :rolleyes:

:D

Good to *see* you online, peaceweaver! :k I believe I could guess all those films, but I'll do only the first one: "Frodo in the 'Hood" has to be "Black & White". :D

It makes me both sad and angry to think that soccer groups and religious fundamentalists could be bullying film distributors into avoiding Hooligans. My feeling has always been, "if you don't like the subject matter, don't see the movie!" :rolleyes: Waaaay too logical, I know. ;) I prefer to believe it's just the cluelessness of the Hollywood biz that is denying this film a chance in the U.S. As Honey points out, there are many many films being shown in theaters that should never, never have seen the light of day. Last night my hubby watched The Chronicles of Riddick on HBO. It may have Judi Dench and Karl Urban in it, but it isn't worth the money, time or film it took to make that stinker! :haha:

Nice game, Peaceweaver :D.
OK, I'll bite and say, "Wood Burns into Ash" is supposed to be "Ash Wednesday" - (which I've not seen yet... uh, sometimes I have the feeling, I'm the slowest Elwood fan on earth :rolleyes: - btw, only last week I had the pleasure to get to know Elijah's infamous performance as McPhee. Wow, I am impressed. Maybe one of you native speakers can help me out here: when McPhee is roughed up by the cops, what exactly does he say to make the "bad" cop angry? Much as I perk up my ears, I cannot understand it. :o)

of curse that the first one was a movie i haven`t seen !!YET!! :rolleyes:

the second one must be "Ash Wednesday"

I agree,i saw the third movie in the trio about "Matrix"
WHAT KIND OF MOVIE IS THAT ??? If you ask me!

I liked Keanue after seeing him in SPEED! Those movies are in a scense
violent!!
And all those action movies with "Bruce Willies saves the world"

And what about "Passion of the christ" that one i haven`t seen the end of yet!!!

Well i can go on but i won`t!!!
Promise you!! :lol:

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

EDIT :SIMULPOSTED WITH YOU WHITELING!! :k :k

FUNNY WE WOULDE THINK OF THE SAME ONE!! :D

MAYBE WE CAN CHANGE THAT MY DEAR I MEAN BEEING THE SLOWEST ELIJAH FAN!!!! :lol: :lol:

WOOD

Maybe one of you native speakers can help me out here: when McPhee is roughed up by the cops, what exactly does he say to make the "bad" cop angry? Much as I perk up my ears, I cannot understand it. :o)

SPOILERS CONTINUED


He says, "You really do want to end up walking a beat, don't you?" In other words, he's telling the cop that treating him that way will result in the cop being demoted. Make sense?

END SPOILERS

SPOILERS

Whiteling: Maybe one of you native speakers can help me out here: when McPhee is roughed up by the cops, what exactly does he say to make the "bad" cop angry? Much as I perk up my ears, I cannot understand it. )

Do you mean right before Bayliss picks him up off the floor, and throws him against the wall? McPhee says "You really do wanna end up walking a beat, don't you?" (A "beat" would be the territory a foot-cop covers. This would be a big demotion from Homicide Detective.)

SPOILERS

Thanks for your support on the petition. I can see lots of mistakes in the little scrap I slapped together last night. Thanks for supplying "Malibu", Random!

Peaceweaver, fun game! For "Frodo not Home Alone?" I'm gonna guess The Good Son.

It's nice to see you and Goldenberry delurking! :k

honey!

OOPS! Simulposted with Bunnie!

Thanks, Bunnie and Honey. :k :k That's very like McPhee...

Wood, we could dub ourselves "SEEJWF" (slowest European Elijah Jordan Wood fans) :D :k

Yep,sounds Great Whiteling!!

How About A Three Days Trainingcamp!!!
How About In June!!!

That Woulde Be Somthing!!! ;)

Wood

Why certainly, Wood! :)

I forgot in my last post that I now absolutely understand Pelagia's averseness to Elijah after seeing him in Homicide. Phew! :eek: "Little creep" Patrick's a real sweetheart compared to McPhee.

Do you think Serena is willing to train us a bit??

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree ,he is so much creepier as Mcphee than us Patrick!!

i almost feelt a bit sorry for Patrick insted of thinking about him as

a creep!!

WOOD

I loved McPhee - but that's because he allowed Elijah to show is acting chops. :D

Frodo in the 'Hood?
Wood Burns into Ash?
Frodo not Home Alone?
Hobbit gets Hitched?
Wood floats down River?



#3 The Good Son?

# 5 Huckleberry Finn

I should be working, too. :o

Sheryl

Hello Faculty-ites...
Yes, I'm still lurking !! :rolleyes:

Peaceweaver
I like your little quiz...
and I agree with the other guesses too...how about "Deep Impact" for no: 4...it's the only movie where he gets married as far as I know !!

What fun ! :D

Honey
I think that your letter to the potential distributers of "Hooligans" is a great idea, but I question how much impact it will have realistically ? Never mind, send it anyway...it can't hurt, right ? And it may do some good !!

I would agree that you should specify the actual awards that it has won, because this really underlines that the people that have seen it did really like it...this may go some way to neutralise the effect of all the spoilsports who think it's a really neat idea to dictate what the rest of us should be allowed to watch...

Grrrrr, I HATE CCF's and their righteous Holier-than-thou ways :mad: :mad: :mad:... don't you just want to bag them up, and send the lot of them to some island somewhere where there's no telly or cinema to offend them, where they can read their bibles to their hearts' content ??? Begone with the lot of them, that's what I say ...they're spoiling it for the rest of us !!! ( They CAN choose not to watch something, you know !! )

Sorry !!

whiteling wrote:
I forgot in my last post that I now absolutely understand Pelagia's averseness to Elijah after seeing him in Homicide. Phew! "Little creep" Patrick's a real sweetheart compared to McPhee. And his performance doesn’t lose its impact. Even now that I have seen the light and been converted to Elijah fandom, McPhee still gives me the chills. That moment when he leans across the table and tells Lewis who the intended victim was, warrants use of zoom and slo-mo buttons on the remote. The famous Wood stare is put to excellent use at that point. And this is why (as I’ve mentioned before) I would have loved to see him play the psycho kid in The Good Son.

Fun game, peaceweaver. How about "Wood in Charm City"?

...That moment when he leans across the table and tells Lewis who the intended victim was, warrants use of zoom and slo-mo buttons on the remote...
Gee, guess what just arrived today... on DVD :p ? Some screencaps may be in order, methinks. :cool:

I figured out peaceweaver's puzzles, but "Charm City" has me stumped. :confused:

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Well, I just (5 minutes ago) did something I've been thinking about for a long time--unsubscribed from the email discussion group. I don't want anyone to feel like it had anything to do with the conversation here--the last straw came today when one of the Society's "Council of Stewards" (otherwise known as "officers" ;) ) posted to say that the list would have to be moderated because there had been complaints about the tone of the group--and promptly got a whole thread of "flames" in response. It made me feel better about the Society as a whole, though (although their press did publish that book :rolleyes: ); I think I'd gotten to the point where I was equating the discussion group with the Society, and I'm glad that doesn't seem to be the case. I've been with the Mythopoeic Society in one way or another since the early 1980's, so I'm feeling kind of melancholy...
...But notice the first place I came after signing off :k .

Aw shucks, tg, I was just going to join, too. :p

The 4th essay, Re-vision: The Lord of the Rings In Print and On Screen was a more moderate take on the subject. The author, while having reservations about some changes, at least makes her objections without the rancor I detected in other essays. I can see why some fans of the books dislike the movies and one reason I bought the book was to understand their criticisms better. I don't regret buying it. (Faculty members with good memories may remember that I like SA's book,too. And I may as well confess that I like Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, HP 1 & 2, and Keanu Reeves. :haha: )

While browsing through an Entertainment Weekly in the dentist's office this morning, I saw a little article about what movies people would like to see get deluxe DVD treatment (like LOTR). The poll was of about 1000+ people. Coming in second after Titanic, was ESOTSM! :cool:

C4

ETA- Liev Schreibner has been nominated for a Tony for 'Glengarry Glen Ross.'

:D :D

tg ---enjoying your updates on your site. Thanks. So much to do in Elijah research ...so little time.





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All of the above info is from IMDb, so I'll take this opportunity to remind those interested in taking part in some ShamelessElijahWoodPromotion ;) to search for "Elijah Wood" at IMDb at every opportunity. (Hey, you can find just about anything you're looking for by linking through him, anyway. :p ) At the end of the year, they announce the list of their "most sought" actors; Elijah wasn't on it last year (and, yeah, IIRC the elf was).

I have been doing my part at IMDB. Now there is a really silly vote going on at hellomagazine.com for most attractive man of the week :lol: but in the spirit of ShamelessElijahWoodPromotion I thought I would mention it.


cheers!

saile

LA Femme Film Festival Announces Films Selected to Premiere for the May 27-29 Festival

LA Femme Film Festival announced today its list of the films selected to premiere for the first year of this ground-breaking film festival premiering at the Los Angeles Center Studios in downtown Los Angeles on May 27- 29, 2005. The 32 feature films, shorts, music videos, commercials and PSAs were selected from nearly 1000 entries received this year. The winning films were selected for their unique voices. The filmmakers of these films were able to present a world we all know from a different perspective as well entertain and educate.

Los Angeles, CA (PRWEB) May 11, 2005 -- Winner of the “Freedom of Expression Award” at the 1998 Sundance Film Festival, The Decline of Western Civilization Part III, directed by Penelope Spheeris, has been selected for a special screening on May 29th at 6:00 PM with a question and answer session with the director immediately following the screening. Swing, written by Mary Keil and directed by Martin Guigui with a cast that features Jonathan Winters, Jacqueline Bisset, Tom Skerritt, and Nell Carter will also be featured during a special screening on May 28th at 6:00 PM. Hooligans, written and directed by Lexi Alexander with a cast featuring Elijah Wood, Claire Forlani, Marc Warren, Charlie Hunnam and Leo Gregory will screen at the festival on May 28th, at 8:00 PM. The following is a list of the selected feature films:

• The Almost Guys – Director/Writer Eric Fleming - May 28th, at 12:00 – 2:00 PM
• The Colt – Directed by Yelena Lanskaya - May 28th, at 4:00 – 6:00 PM
• Daughters of Everest – Director/Producer/Writer Sapana Sakya - May 29th, at 10:00 AM – 12:00 PM
• Goldirocks – Director/Producer/Writer Paula Tiberius - May 29th, at 2:00 – 4:00 PM
• Manfast – Director/Writer Tara Judelle - May 29th, at 4:00 – 6:00 PM
• Mission Movie – Director/Producer Lise Swenson - May 28th, at 2:00 – 4:00 PM
• Mr. Right – Director/Writer Dree Andrea - May 28th, at 10:00 AM – 12:00 PM
• Private Property - Director/Producer/Writer Elizabeth Dimon - May 29th, at 12:00 PM – 2:00 PM

For a complete list of all of the films, shorts, music videos, commercials and PSAs selected for the festival along with full descriptions, go to www.lafemme.org.

“These video projects represent among the best and most cutting edge works that I have seen in a very long time,” said Leslie LaPage, President and Founder of LA Femme Film Festival. “We are very proud to feature them at our festival this year, giving them the exposure that they so richly deserve.”

LA Femme Film Festival’s goal is to increase emerging and cross-over female artists into high profile “A List” female Producers, Directors and Writers in the entertainment industry. This is a unique, multi-ethnic and multi-culturally diverse film festival. It is the only festival of its kind to represent into distribution the festival’s competition films through Foundation Films Distribution (FFD), which was formed by Leslie LaPage and David Aion (Formerly of Lincoln Media Group, American Film Partners and currently serving on the Board of Directors of Women in Film).

Interesting news about La Femme, Achila, thanks. I had to stop and think for a moment before I realized... Oh! It's because of the director! :p I'm glad they're supporting a female director who isn't doing what would be considered "women's movies."

Aw shucks, tg, I was just going to join, too. :p
Well, I'm still going through their site for my amazon.com purchases (affiliates don't get any commissions for ordering through our own links). Whoever's keeping track should have fun figuring out some of the recent orders :p . Homicide? The Book of Virtues? Paula Abdul (soon to be joined by the Cranberries)? I did order their book along with a couple of other serious Tolkien books, and also--in the name of balanced LotR research--"Orlando Bloom Has Ruined Everything." That one just begs for an in-depth book review, don't you think? :D

The author, while having reservations about some changes, at least makes her objections without the rancor I detected in other essays. I can see why some fans of the books dislike the movies and one reason I bought the book was to understand their criticisms better.
I can see how it could be helpful coming from that direction. I have no problem at all understanding the criticisms, because I agree with most of them. And I was as vocal as anyone on the message boards during the movie-making process, when we knew our opinions were being "scouted" (the one success we know we can claim is keeping Xenarwen away from Helm's Deep)--but now that all's said and done, I'd rather try and understand the movies from their own POV rather than keep complaining about how they could have been better. I really think if the movies hadn't been as good as they are, there wouldn't be so many specific complaints--it's tempting to look at how much was done right and think "Now if only..."

The Mythopoeic Society isn't really a bad bunch, all told, but I have a feeling the organization is only going to last one generation. The core members have all known each other since the LotR cult days of the 1960s, and it's hard for an outsider to break into the inner circle (even an outsider who's been reading LotR since the cult days of the 1960s ;) ).

While browsing through an Entertainment Weekly in the dentist's office this morning, I saw a little article about what movies people would like to see get deluxe DVD treatment (like LOTR). The poll was of about 1000+ people. Coming in second after Titanic, was ESOTSM! :cool:
Was that poll taken before or after the two-disk collectors edition of ESOTSM was released :confused: ? (Have to say, though, that I wouldn't mind another version--one that, shall we say, gives more time to the supporting characters. :p )

tg ---enjoying your updates on your site. Thanks. So much to do in Elijah research ...so little time.
That's for sure! Sometimes when I'm on a message board picking up little tips from people who actually make a living from their websites, I think... Wouldn't it be nice to do this full-time :cool: ?? But I don't really want to put up Adsense all over the place and have banner ads and pop-ups and links to things I don't want links to, and spend all my time optimizing for search engines... So I guess I'll keep dividing my time between Elijah research and cancer research for a few years yet. ;) But hopefully I'll retire before Elijah does, and then... watch out! :haha: :D

So this is where all the interesting academic discussion went?! Who'd a thunk it?? ;)

The Mythopoeic Society isn't really a bad bunch, all told, but I have a feeling the organization is only going to last one generation. The core members have all known each other since the LotR cult days of the 1960s, and it's hard for an outsider to break into the inner circle (even an outsider who's been reading LotR since the cult days of the 1960s ).

Oh, I hope this isn't the case. I went to Mythcon for the very first time last summer, with a friend who has been many times before. He introduced me to a lot of the regulars there, and I have to say I haven't met a nicer, friendlier bunch of people in years. I'd definitely be going to this year's Mythcon if I didn't have a schedule conflict. Some of the members have been emailing me since, and they alluded to some squabble going on in their forum. They seemed very unhappy about the whole situation. There certainly are some folks there with very strong feelings against Jackson's films -- one, who shall remain nameless, actually shouted down others on the Mythcon discussion panels -- and I do mean SHOUTED! But even he did like a few things about the movies, and there were others who were just as passionate in defending them. I do hope the group continues.

I have my own issues with the way some of the characters were portrayed, especially Frodo. But, as I think I've mentioned before, my problem is not with the actor but the way the character was written, with most of his best scenes and dialogue either being excised or given to other characters. :(

The current issue of The New Yorker has an article about the actress Tallulah Bankhead. While discussing how she was never as successful in movies as she was in live theater, the writer comments (emphasis added by me):
The reality was that she was first and always a creature of the stage, all about projecting her larger-than-life personality at an audience, never about allowing a camera to explore her face and reveal her feelings. It occurred to me, as I read this, that this seems to be one of the things that Elijah is so good at doing -- letting the camera explore his face – and that may account for some of the subtlety of his acting. Which, of course, still doesn’t explain how, in the first place, he generates those feelings that he lets the camera reveal.

tgshaw wrote, re McPhee:
Gee, guess what just arrived today... on DVD ? Some screencaps may be in order, methinks. There are probably many cap-worthy bits in that performance. You need to capture that smirk at least once. Every time I watch the episode, I just want to smack him. BTW, I’m really looking forward to your retirement, if that means a full shift into Elijah research!

Achila: Great news about Hooligans getting into another festival.

ceefour: Thanks for the ongoing reports on Tolkien on Film. BTW, I agree with you about SA’s book, and Keanu; but Phantom Menace???

tgshaw wrote, re McPhee:
Gee, guess what just arrived today... on DVD ? Some screencaps may be in order, methinks.
Pelagia wrote:
There are probably many cap-worthy bits in that performance. You need to capture that smirk at least once. Every time I watch the episode, I just want to smack him. BTW, I’m really looking forward to your retirement, if that means a full shift into Elijah research!I'm not trying to spoil your fun, but there are some good quality caps available here (http://undone.sean-astin.net/thumbnails.php?album=18), so you might want to chech there before you get started with that capping. She doesn't cap every single shot, though, so there still might be the need for some frame-by-frame research to really appreciate all the subtleties of his performance.

The smirk, for your enjoyment:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/HOMICIDE_SERIES_5_VOLUME_2-156.jpg

Achila: Great news about Hooligans getting into another festival.
I'm glad it's getting some more exposure, as well. I do wish it had made it into the Seattle festival, though, because I might actually have been able to SEE it, there. :( Ah, well. Maybe more exposure might mean a last chance for distribution, though I'm no longer holding my breath.

Bunnie ,Thanks for the link!!!

One thing that i like about elijah at this time is his hair!!!!!!!
I just love it halph long and that colour!!!mmm :D :p

Is this episode played at the same time as "Icestorm" becuse the hair
looks the same!!!

But that smile he has on his face in the last scen oh my god!!!
He realy shoulde have played the other kid in "Good son"!!!!!!!

Achila Thanks for the news about another festival!!!!!!


LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

Bunnie--Thanks for the link, but I'll probably do my own. I'm kind of funny that way, I guess. Part of it is that I try very hard to be careful of copyright regarding anything that goes on my site. From what I've been able to find out legally, since I use the screencaps as part of commentary/review (as opposed to just publishing the pictures), they fall under fair use (the same as quoting a book in a review of it). So, if I do the screencapping myself from a legally-purchased DVD/VCD, I don't have to wonder about what other sources the pics have passed through. (The only exception is Day-O, and I have a specific note on those caps. Since it was privately recorded from a publicly-available TV broadcast, it's probably legal anyway.)

(Besides, it's from doing the caps that I learn anything ;) .)

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Aravir--Maybe it's different if you're able to go to some of the Mythcons; I've never been able to get to one. I joined the email discussion group only because there aren't any "in person" discussion groups within ten hours' drive; and I don't feel safe saying anything there at all--I don't like getting shouted down, I guess, even in email. (To be honest, there are some people on the email list that I'd be scared to death to talk to now--maybe if I'd met them in person first, it'd be different.)

The beginning of my "falling away" was when they decided to make Mythlore more scholarly, which meant eliminating any artwork (Patrick Wynne's art has always been great, and my favorite picture of Frodo is still Paula DiSante's pencil drawing of "How I would drive the forces of Mordor" that's on a back cover), and downplaying any articles written from within the subcreation. I'm very definitely not a scholar, and 90% of the time I do approach Middle-earth from within the subcreation, and I've just gotten to feel that there really isn't any place for me to "fit" with the group any more. (I'm crying as I type that--at work of all places :rolleyes: . Like I said, I've been with the group in one way or another for over 20 years, and it's kind of hard to let go.)

TG Shaw -- Obviously I don't know you, and shouldn't presume to advise you about any decisions you might want to make. All I can go by is my Mythcon experience, which was wonderful. I'm not a scholar either, I'm strictly a fiction writer, but they couldn't have been more welcoming. (Though I know it probably helped that I went with someone who's been before, and could introduce me to people.) Apparently they will consider papers from anyone, not just academics. I'm seriously thinking of submitting one.

I so wish I could go to Mythcon again this year. It's in Birmingham, so I likely couldn't afford it anyway, but it's a very special one co-hosted by the Tolkien Society, and the guests include Tom Shippey (!) and Alan Lee (!)... and if I go on about it anymore I'm going to start crying, because I so wanted to hang out with those folks once more. :(

Again, I don't know you, but if you're that upset at the thought of letting go, perhaps you don't really want to? I know there are other people who feel as you do: when I was at the con I heard similar criticisms from others re the changes to Mythlore and the elimination of the artwork. But if you can ever get to a Mythcon, do go! The con is much more informal, even playful. In addition to the lectures and papers, they also have a costume contest, and a Book Toss, and perform silly skits. There's certainly nothing stuffy or intimidating about it! :)

(((((tg))))))

There's no reason the break has to be permanent, is there? I mean, maybe you could take a break and get enough distance you could handle it, or maybe you could get involved another way, or maybe the "tone" of the group will change in time (if the mods are stepping in you're probably not the only unhappy one - remember Mel's thingie on discussion groups imploding and reconfiguring periodically! :) ).

:k

Sheryl

I'm sorry--I should have just kept my "mouth" shut. I think it's all just part of a "two-thirds life crisis"--trying to decide if anything in my life is important enough to care about.

I'm sorry--I should have just kept my "mouth" shut. I think it's all just part of a "two-thirds life crisis"--trying to decide if anything in my life is important enough to care about.


Been there, done that, about another issue, of course. And yes, nearly everything in your life is important enough to care about. If nothing else, you give us all a lot of valuable research opportunities. Hey, in the renaissance, this kind of devotion resulted in great works of art, and whose to say your screen caps, captioned themselves, are not the next step in a new art?

Nothing you care about is wasted.

tg, the Entertainment Weekly was from April. (I think; didn't have my reading glasses on. :rolleyes: I never wore glasses before and needing them is a real pain.) Surely you plan on staying around for longer than another 25 years? EW will only be 49. I can see The Faculty all lined up (some in our geri-chairs) front and center as the President and First Mister present him with his Kennedy Center Honors. :D

As for trying to understand criticism of LOTR, I wasn't around for any of the pre-release debate and speculation. I would read posts on The X-Files Official site, but that was as far as I ventured on the Internet. I knew a LOTR movie was being filmed, figured it wouldn't be as good as the books, and that was that. In retrospect, this was a good thing, as I would have spent all my time on the computor.

BunnieBugs, the picture you posted of McPhee reminds me of Frodo's expression just after Gandalf has hauled Sam into Bag End through the window.

Pelagia, what can I say? It's Star Wars! :o

Did you all watch 'Lost?' If Mackenzie Astin can guest star, why not siblings of guest stars and other friends of cast members? ;)

C4

and whose to say your screen caps, captioned themselves, are not the next step in a new art?

Nothing you care about is wasted.

I second that!!!!!!

I had to check out your screen caps for Avalon this morning just to catch a glimpse of JOY. :k

I must admit I do love that movie....hmmmmmm....the "may vs can" scene and then that little dance in the hall. Doesn't that bring a smile?

Thanks tg.


cheers!! :D

saile

Tg and Aravir - Interesting discussion about Mythopoeic Society and such. In all the long years I've been reading and reading LOTR, I never did join any kind of group (til the film and my Inet connection came along) though I have always known of the Mythopoeic. I'm glad the movies have not been swallowed whole - they don't deserve to be, imo (even if I did fall in love with them). It's right that many people should be critical, even passionately so, and I'm glad the books are still the core of this mythology, for the many reasons that have been discussed here, but especially because, as you said so well, Aravir:I have my own issues with the way some of the characters were portrayed, especially Frodo. But, as I think I've mentioned before, my problem is not with the actor but the way the character was written, with most of his best scenes and dialogue either being excised or given to other characters. Speaking of that certain actor, are folks here aware of this?
The [MS XBox] special will be hosted by entertainment icon, seasoned gamer and Xbox fanatic Elijah Wood, known globally for the Academy Award-winning "Lord of the Rings" trilogy. Island Records' renowned Las Vegas rockers The Killers will deliver electrifying performances throughout the special. The global broadcast will premiere Thursday, May 12, at 9:30 p.m. EDT in North America and on Friday, May 13 in other regions around the globe (local air times below). Somehow, I do find this sad. I suppose that's because the whole thing seems so superficial to me, so commercial, so oblivious of anything important, and because it reminds me, how far EJW is from Frodo.... [Please forgive that little outburst of intolerance for the ways of our world these days.]

Still, I may try and catch the live Web cast at http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/apr05/04-11MTVXboxPR.asp.)

"Entertainment icon"..."Known globally for the Academy-award winning....".....wow.... :eek: :D

tg Surely you plan on staying around for longer than another 25 years? EW will only be 49.
Oh, I might still be around, but I don't plan to still be working 40 hours a week! (The retirement age is going up, but those of us born in 1954 are still supposed to be able to retire at 67.) -- Or am I misreading what you're referring to? The only age-related thing I can remember talking about recently is retirement, but that doesn't mean I didn't talk about something else and have forgotten that I did--which I guess is an age-related thing in itself. :p

In retrospect, this was a good thing, as I would have spent all my time on the computor.
Your point being...? ;) It was the movies that really got me onto the internet. My nextdoor neighbor at the time told me they were being made and I didn't believe him (unfilmable, you know). He punched up a couple of websites--and my life was changed. At that point, I used the internet only for taking care of a few errands (mostly refusing book club monthly selections :p ). The main purpose for having a connection was email. I had a $9.95/month account that allowed me 20 hours of connection per month, and I couldn't imagine how I could ever use all that time! :lol:

naiad--The reason I don't see the X-box show as superficial for Elijah (fun, yes, but not superficial) is that he's a video game geek. It'd be like a chance to go on TV for a half-hour and talk about... ummm.... Elijah Wood research, maybe ;) :rolleyes: ? It's something he loves. If his presence can get kids to watch "I'm Still Here" on MTV one week, and an X-box show the next, that's okay by me. ("I'm Still Here" involved something else he's shown a deep interest in, of course, which I think balances out his love for video games. :) ).

TG ,GLADE YOU WILL BE AROUND!!! :k :k

I WOULDE MISS YOU TERRIBLE!!!!


WOOD

tg, you mentioned having a two-thirds life crisis, and I remembered you having your 50th last year (You wanted to reach 2000 posts by your birthday, wasn't that it?) So, if you were 2/3rd of the way through, then 25 + 25 + 25 = 75. It made sense at the time. :p

Did anyone ever decide what 'Wood in Charm City' was?

C4

There is an interesting article regarding Hooligans and the public's potential perception of it in both the UK and US, along with a review of the film and cast here (http://www.screendaily.com/story.asp?storyid=22039&r=true).

I've been having a small personal crisis over the lack of a US distribution deal (I was SO sure it would be signed after it won all those festival awards!), and this doesn't really help, but it's not entirely un-promising. I refuse to completely lose hope, and my fingers are still crossed, but, man -- they're starting to hurt.

I've been having a small personal crisis over the lack of a US distribution deal (I was SO sure it would be signed after it won all those festival awards!), and this doesn't really help, but it's not entirely un-promising. I refuse to completely lose hope, and my fingers are still crossed, but, man -- they're starting to hurt.

My fingers are hurting, too, BunnieBugs. I want to see this movie so bad I can almost taste it. I've been hungry for Wood to have the main role since LOTR, and so far I've only seen the awful All I Want. This movie at least sounds much more promising.

And there's always EII.

I've been hungry for Wood to have the main role since LOTR, and so far I've only seen the awful All I Want. This movie at least sounds much more promising.

And there's always EII.
I didn't hate All I Want, but it's not a great film. I do enjoy it, but that might only be because of Elijah, really, but I'm not objective enough to be sure. But, yes -- by most accounts, Hooligans is a good film, and worth seeing. Which makes it all the more difficult to bear, I think.

But, yes, I'm so looking forward to EII (though, with a bit of trepidation as to how it will translate to film and how Elijah's performance will be received), and ran across this promising blurb in an "upcoming releases" article:

Early buzz: The novel of the same name, by Jonathan Safran Foer, is brilliant. Expect no less from the flick, with a perfectly cast Wood in the lead role.

Those are words I like to hear. :)

to respond to your question, c4:

"Wood in Charm City" must be the McPhee episode of Homicide. What you need to know is that Baltimore (where the show is set) calls itself "Charm City." The only reason I know this is because I wuz borned there...


I've given up trying to understand the American Movie Industry. They will make and remake the same movie twenty times...Just what we needed, another "War of the Worlds" :rolleyes: or "King Kong" ;) But a movie made on the cheap that is completely original? Oh no, can't be having that!

(((tg)))

Here is my petition text in full. I haven't created the actual petition as yet, and so it's not too late to speak up with any suggested improvements.

We, the fans of Charlie Hunnam, Elijah Wood, female-directed films, and British football (soccer) appeal to film distributors to give American audiences the opportunity to see the film Hooligans. Written and directed by Lexi Alexander, Hooligans has won “Audience Choice” awards at both the SXSW film festival, and at the Malibu International Film Festival.

Hooligans is about a culture foreign to US audiences, but it’s also about experiencing that culture through the eyes of an American, Matt Buckner, and our entrée to that culture. American audiences are intelligent enough to understand and enjoy this film. There have been other, similar films that did well. Trainspotting portrayed a world of heroin addiction foreign to most viewers, and it won acclaim form U. S. audiences and critics alike, despite thick accents.

Given its subject matter, football hooliganism, there are automatic concerns for the violence portrayed in the film. But glorifying violence was not the aim of Ms. Alexander, or her cast.

Scott Weinberg of EfilmCritic.com had this to say:

One of Hooligans best perspectives comes in relation to the numerous fight scenes. First-time director Lexi Alexander takes great pains to make sure that the brawls are cinematically exciting - while never allowing the mayhem to seem too flashy or appealing. That's a really tough balance to strike, and to the director's credit, you certainly won't walk out of Hooligans trolling the alleys, itchin' for a fight.

Don R. Lewis of FilmThreat.com says:

But “Hooligans” never glorifies the violence and in fact by the end of the film, you see how mindless violence really is.

Please, take a chance; give Americans the opportunity to see this film, and to judge for ourselves its merits.

Simulposting with Peaceweaver! :k

That sounds great, Honey! My only suggestions would be, A) put the titles of the films either in quotes or italics, and, B), maybe include something about the focus of the film being on... okay, now that I want to say it, I can't think what it should be... a coming of age piece? Having to do with loyalty and friendship, yada, yada? Maybe someone who has actually seen it can fill this in better than I can. What I'm trying to do is continue with your thought about the film not only not glorifying violence, but that the theme is actually much more universal and comprehensible than that, and is a story that will have much wider appeal than is immediately apparent.

Does that make any sense at all?

[Simulposted with Honey and Bunnie--I'm beginning to think that the fact the movie is about soccer is a bigger problem for the U.S. film industry than it should be. In Fever Pitch, they completely changed the original story from soccer to baseball. In Will Farrell's new comedy, soccer's shown as what a lot of Americans think of it as: a game little kids play until they're old enough for "real" sports. :rolleyes: ]

But a movie made on the cheap that is completely original? Oh no, can't be having that!
Heavens, no! It hasn't been tested (except at several film festivals, where it won awards). We have to be sure there will be an audience (for the first weekend, at least, before anyone finds out how bad it is). So let's remake another "classic" TV show! (Aren't you just on pins and needles waiting to see Nicole Kidman in Bewitched?)

C4--Oh, I get it. :) I thought it might be something I'd completely forgotten about, and it was :o . You're right on the 50 years (I figure I'll leave my "adventurous age" location up until I turn 51).

Interesting review, Bunnie--the negatives are about what I'd expect (I have the feeling the "frame story" could have been better thought out).

That sounds great, Honey! My only suggestions would be, A) put the titles of the films either in quotes or italics, and, B), maybe include something about the focus of the film being on... okay, now that I want to say it, I can't think what it should be... a coming of age piece? Having to do with loyalty and friendship, yada, yada? Maybe someone who has actually seen it can fill this in better than I can. What I'm trying to do is continue with your thought about the film not only not glorifying violence, but that the theme is actually much more universal and comprehensible than that, and is a story that will have much wider appeal than is immediately apparent.

Great suggestion, Bunnie! It would be helpful to say what the movie is about, as well as what it's NOT about. So far, having not seen the film, this is all I can come up with:
Hooligans is about a young man who feels he has no place in the world, finding an identity, brotherhood and camaraderie, and then finding out what his choices ultimately lead to. Hooligans had universal themes of disaffection, a need to belong, and brotherhood.

Achila, Pelagia, you've seen it; your four cents would be much appreciated here, in making our little plea stronger.

honey!

There is an interesting article regarding Hooligans and the public's potential perception of it in both the UK and US, along with a review of the film and cast here (http://www.screendaily.com/story.asp?storyid=22039&r=true).One more time this guy calls Elijah's character "Mark", I thought I'd throw something! :mad: And it's Bovver, not Bower. Gee, was he paying attention or what?

Achila, maybe the reviewer was distracted by EW's 'large, sensitive eyes?'

More Guess The Film:

Headlines Seen in The Faculty Lounge Times:

From the Basketball section--Wood Fouls Out for Travelling; Scores in Double Digits

From the Travel section--Elijah Goes to the Beach

From the Celebrity News section--Wood Goes On The Wagon

C4

Hey ladies,

Does anyone know for sure if the Star Wars TRL special on MTV is 60 minutes or 90 minutes long? My sources conflict and I don't want to miss a minute of the show (especially any Elijah moments). Thanks.

SandCastles

Well....wasn't our prince adorable in his red velvet coat last night?! :k From Gamespot.com, about attending the taping:

Not knowing just what to expect, other than maybe an up-close peek at the 360 and a brush with Lord of the Rings star Elijah Wood, the evening's emcee, we showed up on time and got in line.
And lo! Frod-, er, Elijah appeared, dressed in a T-shirt and red velvet coat. He delivered his lines off MTV's teleprompter briskly, nailing all but one on the first take. He parlayed the one hiccup into a joke for the audience's sake--possibly the one good laugh of the evening. We also got to see Wood deliver his brief bits of commentary in several small chunks during the course of the evening, punctuated by the live performances that took up most of the time.
There was also a big circular peppermint-swirl pedestal in the middle of the dance floor, where we expected Elijah to eventually appear in a shower or brightly colored sparks.

Also, there was this quote re: EII's Oscar chances, from here (http://www.thefilmexperience.net):Schreiber, a respected stage and screen actor, directs his first film. There's no telling. For every Robert Redford out there there's a Nicolas Cage. Actors don't always make excellent film directors. It'd be nice to see Wood with an Oscar nomination after his underappreciated character arc contribution to the Lord of the Rings trilogy... but Everything is a major question mark as film's go. The book is certainly well regarded and could make for a fine film but again, who knows how well it will be executed or adapted. The other reason for pause is that this is coming from the Warner Indie division and aside from a couple of technical nominations for A Very Long Engagement, their debut year was inconclusive in terms of what they have to bring to the Oscar table and what they are willing to do for what they brought. Do you follow?



On a side note, just wanted to let my dear Faculty friends know that as of this past Tuesday (unless the president of the company nixes it :eek: ), I am now gainfully re-employed. So thanks to all who sent in their good word -- it worked!

,

Does anyone know for sure if the Star Wars TRL special on MTV is 60 minutes or 90 minutes long? SandCastles

MTV's TRL airs for 1 hour Monday through Friday (5-6pm EDT - East time zone usa).........and that is what is showing on my tv schedule for today. All I know.


cheers!

saile

Ugh. I've just watched the MTV XBox Special. (Is there *any* difference between viewing MTV and having an epileptic seizure :rolleyes:... I mean, really...) - yep, our prince looked great. As far as I can judge from the two second bits I could catch a glimpse of him. :p

Achila, hurrah for your new employment :).

(((Tg)))


Whiteling, scuffling back to her room at the old people's home... (:D)

....wasn't our prince adorable in his red velvet coat last night?!

He was certainly that!

Did that other guy in a red jacket just get done parking cars or something?

Why do you think Elijah took that job? I mean, really, does he need the exposure that badly? Could he just not resist in his geekliness? Was that really a high profile spot he filled? I just don't want to turn on the telly one day, and find him hawking priceline.com. I think he could have done better, and really, I'm sure he can pay the mortgage in some other, more socially-redeeming way.

I can completely understand why he'd want to do the Star Wars TRL thing, though. I don't think he minds at all cementing himself in the public perception as a geek (and proud of it!) It's part of his charm.

Maybe Bill Gates strong-armed him into the X-box thing! ;)

Achila, good news about the job!

Yeah, the Xbox thing was, for the most part, pretty lame, but with a couple of nice Elijah moments.

As for why he took the gig, I've been trying to figure out that one myself. It's possible that he didn't know exactly how it was going to come off when he signed on to do it. It was much more "informercial" than I expected it to be, and maybe he also had imagined something different.

Personally, I don't mind him doing things like hosting MTV's TRL, but I hope he doesn't do any more of this sort of product plugging.

Well, I've done it. The petition to bring Hooligans to the US is over here:
Petitiononline.com (http://www.petitiononline.com/lexi/petition.html)
Because it's aimed at American film distributors, it can only be signed by American citizens. I'm sure you understand.

honey!

The Xbox show was really just a big infomercial as we've already noticed. And I too have been saying.."What was he thinking...?"

But I think Bunnie got it right. He didn't know how it was going to turn out, either. He probably now knows it looked pretty lame. But it must have been the geek in him that drew him to it like a ..gamer to a game. :rolleyes: ;) He does love video games like most young males of his generation. He said he owns ALL the game systems and has a nice big TV to play them on. :rolleyes: ;)

Maybe Bill Gates strong-armed him into the X-box thing!

LOL Honey! :lol:

I can just see Bill Gates cornering Elijah..."Look Kid, I will send a virus of unimaginable power to your computer, I Pod and cell phone and disable every game you have if you don't do my XBox show.....heh, heh, heh, heh!" Bill twirls invisible villain's mustache and has big tough guy pinch Elijah really, really hard....... :D

:lol:

Well here's hoping the TRL Star Wars show is better. At least TRL is a real MTV show. Not that I'm sure that's a good thing..... :rolleyes: ;)

Edit- Going to sign the petition now, Honey!

Edit- Going to sign the petition now, Honey!

:cool: Can you please post a link to the petition at your site as well? :k

Just about to do that, Honey! :cool: Hurries off to spam it...... :)

I was number 2, Honey! I'll promote it in my LJ, just as soon as I get a chance. You can count on it! :)

Honey!!! I Have Sign Too!!!

I Was Number Seven!!

Wood

Because it's aimed at American film distributors, it can only be signed by American citizens. I'm sure you understand.

So, what happens if someone not in the US signs? I've already had one person sign who is not an American citizen. Do you suppose it really matters? :confused:

Bunnie and Hobmom, thanks for putting notices in your LJ's! :k :k

Bunnie, to answer your question, I don't suppose it matters if someone out of the country signs it. I just thought it would be more convincing if real potential American audience members signed it. And the web-site let's you specifiy the region, so I wasn't sure how all that worked. Anyway, the more the better, so it's all good!

honey!

People are signing, Honey! :D

While we wait for signatures to accrue, I have a couple of YouSendIt links for clips from Elijah's recent appearances on MTV. I don't know how long they'll last, (the links are only good for some 20 downloads or so), but here they are:

Elijah on the green carpet before the Xbox show (http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0UUVU1Q4ANIHE013H5D6BJZU6G)
Elijah at Skywalker Ranch before viewing Star Wars (http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2UI33G2U7DEBK0O9YTX7TE0QJO)

Enjoy! If they run out of downloads, I (or anyone, really) can upload them again and provide new links. :)

I have signed it too. Weeeeooowwww!!!!


And thanks for the links bunnie.


cheers!

saile

You're welcome, Saile! The second one is especially adorable. :)

Honey, I have been exceptionally thorough: I plugged the petition in not only my LJ, but in two Elijah Wood communities on LiveJournal, and I just emailed the webmistresses from Always&Forever and Elijahfan.com. :D *cracks knuckles* Not bad for a day's work!

Last time I checked the petition, it had 111 signatures. Now, there's an auspicious beginning! ;)

As of this second the petition has 148 signers and counting! It's great to see all these ladies from all over the US and a few from elsewhere all saying they want to see a film that these distributors narrowly think only men would want to see. :rolleyes:

ALL women!

Ladies, we rock! :cool:

Well, the petition seems to be doing well, and it has not even been mentioned on the big fan sites, yet. Lets hope for lots and lots more signatures.

However, color me irked this morning, as I came across this article (http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/article/14050501.php) in my travels. Now, it doesn't really say anything against Elijah (except for that last quote. GRRR!), but I just know that some of the reviews that I read did give Elijah glowing reviews.

Now, I followed the links in the article, and some of the linked reviews had excellent things to say about Elijah. But here's what I'm thinking: I would like to send in a letter similar to this one, but pointing out all the good things that have been said about Elijah's performance. It's only fair, right?

So, here's my question: did anyone dutifully save all the links to all the articles discussing and reviewing this film? I have some, but if anyone saved everything, it would be a big help. I'm not sure when I'll have time to get to this, so if anyone has oodles of free time and wants to give it a go, that would be fine with me. But this really got my hackles up, because it seems to be saying that it was only the rest of the cast that makes it a good film, and though I haven't seen the film to judge for myself, I just can't leave it at that. Elijah deserves better.

I must dash off, now. Let me know what you think and whether you can help with links! :)

With the small amount of non-Faculty traffic it gets, it may not do any good, but I've added the petition link to my "What's New" page. Intended to add it to the Hooligans discussion board at IMDb, but somebody with a hobbit name ;) beat me to it. :p I was starting to sign it myself when I saw all the stuff about email verification. Since my email's going to be out of commission for part of the weekend, and some of its set-up will be changed during that time, I thought it might be better to wait so they don't try to validate it and decide to remove my name. I assume the petition will still be online Monday. :)

--Due to messing around with computers, I'll be offline for most, maybe all, of the weekend. So will "see" everyone later.

Achila, congratulations on the new job! :) :k

ETA: Simulposted with Bunnie. Due to above-mentioned computer mess, I won't be able to help with links that have been previously posted. But this comment/review on the IMDb Hooligans page is positive and definitely pro-Elijah, even though it's written by a British football fan. IIRC, someone did post the ending of this review here, concerning the movie not being for "young ladies" who are fans of Elijah Wood, because it's violent and "for the big boys." Since most of us here don't qualify for either group ;) , I guess we're okay. But IMHO it makes his praise of Elijah's acting even better, because he's not writing as a fan of anything other than the movie:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385002/

Achila, congratulations on the new job! :) :kThanks, sweetie. :k back at ya'!

Bunnie, I'm wondering if that "Dori" is the same person (it seems logically so, since it's not a usual name) who posts on "The Yank" yahoo group. I don't think I've noticed that she ever actively "dissed" Elijah in this role, but her reason for being in the group is Charlie Hunnam, I believe. I can understand the frustration of watching someone else walk away with (what you perceive as) the undue lion's share of the praise (man, can I ever!) when you know that your own particular favorite had as much or more to do with it....BUT....as you said, the reviews she pointed out DID acknowledge Elijah's performance and praised it very highly. I thought it especially dumb to have singled out the AICN reviews as being less than complimentary to Elijah since they praised him to the sky (Quint and Harry love our boy, and we all know that).

Anyway, does it really pay to get into a p***-ing contest with fans of another actor from the same movie when we've all got the same objective -- to get Hooligans seen?

Anyway, does it really pay to get into a p***-ing contest with fans of another actor from the same movie when we've all got the same objective -- to get Hooligans seen?
Argh... I suppose you're right. But you know me -- I can't stand to see Elwood slighted. :mad: I guess it doesn't matter that much, but it just gets my goat. It's hard not to rise up in his defense.

Okay. I'll let it lie. We know better, anyway, and perhaps the public will see and make their own judgement once the film is released. :z: Meanwhile, I'll be over here chewing on a bag of nails and stewing in my own juices. :rolleyes: :p :D

And now, I'm late as well! *flees*

Argh... I suppose you're right. But you know me -- I can't stand to see Elwood slighted. :mad: I guess it doesn't matter that much, but it just gets my goat. It's hard not to rise up in his defense.I know, sweetie -- I feel the same way. :k

ETA: I thought this was a good one -- yet another mention with respect to the Xbox, the title of which was "North Unveils New Xbox": Microsoft's new Xbox 360 was unveiled on MTV during a special program hosted by Elijah Wood, star of such hit films as "The Good Son", "North", "The Faculty", and recently "Sin City".Notice which movie this one DOESN'T mention????

Bunnie,

Achila said :-
I don't think I've noticed that she ever actively "dissed" Elijah in this role, but her reason for being in the group is Charlie Hunnam, I believe. I can understand the frustration of watching someone else walk away with (what you perceive as) the undue lion's share of the praise

When I read the report you posted, my immediate thought was that this person who wrote in and complained absolutely MUST be a fan of Charlie Hunnam...why else be so indignant at another actor being singled out for praise, when the truth is that it sounds like all the main actors in this film did a sterling job... :rolleyes:
We all know, probably better than most fan groups, how frustrating it is to see your favourite actor continue to get passed by as far as accolades go, when you all know how good the quality of the acting really is, and so I sympathise with her sentiments really...

Anyway, if it makes you feel better, here are some reviews from the magical MRQE site...yes, it has 14 articles/reviews up already...and some have wonderful things to say about Elijah, of course...

MRQE : Hooligans (http://www.mrqe.com/lookup?Hooligans)

Tg,
When I read this little snippet, on the IMDB reviews :-

f you are a young lady with a crush on film star Elijah Wood then you may want to pass up this one unless you like seeing your idol beaten and bruised. Go back and rent LOTR or "Eternal Sunshine," this movie is for the big boys.

I must admit, I thought "How utterly patronising !!!" :mad:

But then, your comment about how the writer was a fan of the movie and not EJW, and that made it a better sort of comment, I sort of see where you are coming from there...( however, I still think that the person who wrote that is a patronising git...)

Hey ho ... :rolleyes:

Found this pair of Jonathans on LJ in somebodie's journal. (Forget whose! :o Middle aged brain-fart!)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/twojonathans.jpg


TGShaw said:
With the small amount of non-Faculty traffic it gets, it may not do any good, but I've added the petition link to my "What's New" page.
:cool:
Intended to add it to the Hooligans discussion board at IMDb, but somebody with a hobbit name ;) beat me to it. :p

:o hmmmm, wonder who that could have been? :rolleyes: *drags large hairy toe threw dust *

Bunnie said:
and I just emailed the webmistresses from Always&Forever and Elijahfan.com. *cracks knuckles* Not bad for a day's work!

Thanks Bunnie! Now they're doubly on notice! ;) :p

So far I've notified those two, IMDB, ElijahWonderland, ElijahIllusions, "The Yank" Yahoo group, and the two or three Charlie Hunnam fan groups that I could find. If anyone has any other ideas, feel free to notify away, or suggest and I'll do it.

Have I ever said how very glad I am that the dreadful title, The Yank, was dropped? Around here you can pick up a little rag by that name on nearly any down town street-corner out of one of those newpaper boxes. :eek: I've never read it myself, but from the cover it looks like certain people might think it would be a good accompaniment for chocolate! :rolleyes: :p

honey!

ETA: How could I forget? I bought train tickets last night to La LA land. And I bought a festival ticket....
I'M GONNA SEE HOOOOOOOLIGANS!!!

Honey
So far I've notified those two, IMDB, ElijahWonderland, ElijahIllusions, "The Yank" Yahoo group, and the two or three Charlie Hunnam fan groups that I could find. If anyone has any other ideas, feel free to notify away, or suggest and I'll do it.

Out of the sites that you have notified, Elijahwoodnow has already put it on their front page... :D :D :D

Go Honeyelf !!!

I love that pic of the 'two Jonathans'! Could any two young men be more charming?


If you are a young lady with a crush on film star Elijah Wood then you may want to pass up this one unless you like seeing your idol beaten and bruised. Go back and rent LOTR or "Eternal Sunshine," this movie is for the big boys.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
That really is incredibly patronizing. Does this person actually think females are that shallow? :rolleyes:


Petition-wise things seem to be going quite well. Elijahwoodnow.com is my little place and I popped that petition right up yesterday. :D And everybody is spamming it all over LiveJournal. We 'weak' 'sensitive' little women really aren't that incompetent after all. ;)

If you are a young lady with a crush on film star Elijah Wood then you may want to pass up this one unless you like seeing your idol beaten and bruised. Go back and rent LOTR or "Eternal Sunshine," this movie is for the big boys. That really is incredibly patronizing. Does this person actually think females are that shallow?

I don't know. OK, maybe it's a bit patronizing of a certain sub-set of female fans. But I actually like what it says about Elijah!

Couple of months ago I was home alone watching some Entertainment Television thing about who the next hot stars would be. Part of their criteria for determining up-and-coming "hotness" for males stars was their appeal to male and female audiences alike. We already know that Elijah has female audiences swooning by the bazillions. But what about the male half of the equation? (BTW, because I know you're curious, Orli was one of the possible rising hotties, but Lij was not even mentioned.)

Once again I think Elijah has shown tremendous astuteness in choosing to play the role of Matt in Hooligans. Now he's got at least one critic calling him a "rising action star!" That's a very good thing, as now some of the male audience who didn't "get" Elijah before, may not pass over him films in the future!

honey!

Once again I think Elijah has shown tremendous astuteness in choosing to play the role of Matt in Hooligans. Now he's got at least one critic calling him a "rising action star!" That's a very good thing, as now some of the male audience who didn't "get" Elijah before, may not pass over him films in the future! You know, I've noticed that in his last few appearances (those extended infomercials masquerading as shows on MTV), Elijah seems to be getting cheers from male fans as well as female ones. In fact, the lead singer from The Killers, who performed on that MTV Xbox show, was over the moon to be meeting "Frodo". And the majority of the "Sin City" fans, who reviewed the film very highly, utterly loved him as Kevin.

Just dropping in for a moment to say thanks, Honey, for putting together the petition. And congratulations --- you get to see Hooligans!!!

gorgeous picture of the two Jonathons!

ETA: And Achila!! Congratulations on the job!!

Morning to you all!!!!!

Just pop in to say a few things!!

Achila Congrats to your new job!!!!!!!!!! :k :k :k

Bunnie you are not alone wnting to defend him!! :k

I have a need to do that all the time!!! As soon as someone say something
negative about him around me!! I stand up for him!!!!
Why you might ask ,,well as my sister-in - law sade to me.
It must me love if you defend him the way you do!!!!!

And i think she is absolutly right!!!

Thanks for all the links!! :k
Iwill try to download them!!!

And Honey Thanks for the pictures!!!!!

And i hope you will enjoy hooligans!!!!


Will be back soon , ihope!!!!

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

Belated to honeyelf (I haven’t been on here for several days): How wonderful that you’re going to see Hooligans! I’ll be interested to see what you think of it. Not that it makes any difference at this point, but I do think that your description of the movie is very appropriate:
Hooligans is about a young man who feels he has no place in the world, finding an identity, brotherhood and camaraderie, and then finding out what his choices ultimately lead to. Hooligans had universal themes of disaffection, a need to belong, and brotherhood. As I suggested earlier, that places more emphasis on the universal themes of this movie that I think will be important in “selling” it in the US. I also agree with you in being relieved that they dropped The Yank as a title. But somewhere I remember seeing that this was just a working title, anyway, and intended in part to conceal the subject matter, and make it easier to get access to, for example, the West Ham club. (Achila: Didn’t you have something about this?) And honey, thanks for the great picture of the two Jonathans!

Re “Dori”’s comment about Elijah not getting such hot reviews for his performance in Hooligans: I don’t remember any bad notices, but Hunnam certainly received more attention, partly because he has a more flamboyant role, and also perhaps because he’s a less familiar face.

Also belated to peaceweaver re your suggestion of the Homicide episode as the answer to “Wood in Charm City.” Actually, I was thinking of Avalon, which is set in “Ballmer;” but after I posted the “riddle,” I realized that McPhee’s episode would also be a correct answer. And speaking of McPhee, Achila and I introduced ceefour to the little psychopath on Friday -- as well as to the much more appealing Stu.

BTW, I tried BunnieBugs’s link to the Screen Daily site, but it said the page was exclusive to subscribers. Did anybody else have this problem? Or did you all just go ahead and "subscribe"?

BTW, I tried BunnieBugs’s link to the Screen Daily site, but it said the page was exclusive to subscribers. Did anybody else have this problem? Or did you all just go ahead and "subscribe"?

Oh, no! They have changed it, Pelagia! There was access to it available when I posted the link, and now they say that you have to subscribe (and pay to do so)! If I'd known that was going to happen, I would have copy/pasted it over here. :( I'm sorry!

No Pelagia, you are not alone!!

i coulden`t download it either!!!!!

oh, i have watch a bit of the extra to the movie "North"" oh my heavens
Elijah is so cute!!!hope not the pedofilcops is coming for me but i can`t help it
he is soooo cute!!!!


LOVE YOU ALL /WOOD

Just passing on the info that Dougie's site has been updated -- www.brimson.net. He has some interesting things to say about the US (and UK) distribution deals for Hooligans, etc. I should clarify -- that's the *lack* of a deal, not news of a deal -- sorry!

Also, the petition is now on his site as well.

Pelagia, I hope you'll still think I did a good job describing a movie I haven't yet had the privelge of seeing when I say that this was the final form of the description thereof:

"Hooligans" is about a young man who doubts his own strength, and then finds it was within him all along. With it’s universal themes of disaffection, camaraderie, brotherhood and consequence it has already seduced film-festival audiences. Please, take a chance; give American filmgoers the opportunity to see this film, and judge for ourselves its merits.

I must say I am pleased that you thought I did a good job at condensing it down. One gentleman at IMDb e-mailed me Elijah's Sports Illustrated interview, and suggested that I'd got it quite wrong. :confused:

Well, like I say, he has been very helpful in suggesting other ways to get the petition signed, and seen by the folks that count, and for that I am entirely grateful.

He's suggested that I take the petition with me to the LA Femme Film Festival, and get folks to sign it. (His take on women: All women like to join and help out. Ahh! That's kinda sweet! :D) I wish one of you could be there with me! My life keeps flashing before my eyes, as I envision Lexi Alexander confronting me, and handing me my rather largish rear for daring to mess with her movie! ;) :D Nah! Won't happen!

Achila, thanks for letting us know about the update on Dougie's site. I wonder how he found out about the petition? It's great, and :cool: that he has; might mean more men signing it!

And I have to say, Achila, I'm wondering how we're going to get along here, now that you won't have so much time for the kind of 'research' that we thrive on around here! :) :k

honey!

And I have to say, Achila, I'm wondering how we're going to get along here, now that you won't have so much time for the kind of 'research' that we thrive on around here! :) :k Believe me, doll, I'm already quite worried about that. Hopefully, I'll be able to find time for everything, including my beloved Faculty!

Achila
I have just paid a visit to Dougie's site, and have just read the good news that there will be an UK release at around a similar time to "Everything Is Illuminated"...I had an inkling that the UK wouldn't be as unreceptive to the idea of a film about this subject as the US so obviously is...

The other thing he mentioned is that it will be titled something else over here, because West Ham have vetoed the title "Hooligans"...I guess they are really p***ed off about having the wool pulled over their eyes about the true content of this film...(Unsurprisingly, imo, given the VERY emotive connotations of the word "Hooligan" here in the UK - it really isn't something we are proud of, in any way !! ...)

Re: Release Date. The UK premiere has been pencilled in for August 26th -so they better come up with a suitable name pretty quickly. However, if working on this movie has taught me one thing, it's that no one should ever take anything for granted so that may well be slightly optimistic. I have a very sneaky feeling that the drama that has been Hooligans -or whatever it ends up being called- has a few more plot twists to undergo before it sees the inside of a British cinema

Achila got a bit worried after reading Honeyelf`s

post!!!you are not leaving us for god are you???? :( :(

i woulde miss you terrible if you did!!! :( :(

WOOD

Achila got a bit worried after reading Honeyelf`s
post!!!you are not leaving us for god are you???? :( :( i woulde miss you terrible if you did!!! :( :( No, sweetie -- I'll try to pop in here as much as my new life will possibly allow. I have to. You guys would send Kevin after me! :D

The new issue (June) of Premiere magazine has columnist Libby Gelman-Waxner’s humorous take on Sin City, including the following:
All sorts of other bizarre actors turn up in Sin City, and the audience shrieked, “Frodo!” when Elijah Wood slithered on, playing a serial killer. Not sure I like that “bizarre actors” bit, but then, she’s being funny; note the following excerpt:
. . . it takes a special breed of actress to wear a mohawk, a fishnet bra, thigh-high boots, and not much else. Rosario Dawson gets it right; she makes being an S&M slut seem like a legitimate and even feminist career choice, because she’s like a slightly less scary Condoleezza. Achila, thanks for the Brimson link. It’s rather depressing to read this:
I have been told numerous times that distributors rarely go back and take a second look at a movie so it seems increasingly likely that despite its success at the various festivals, the best it will get in America is a limited theatrical release. On the other hand, “a limited theatrical release” holds out some hope, anyway.

BunnieBugs: Thanks for the info on the Screen Daily site. Serves me right for not keeping up with things here!

honeyelf, thanks for posting the final wording. (Hadn’t yet had a chance to check on the petition itself, but just went and signed it.) As for the IMDB guy who e-mailed you, his “All women like to join and help out” generalization sort of undermines his credibility, IMHO. Besides, we’re talking about a “promotional platform” here.

ceefour: Would "Elijah Goes to the Beach" be FotR??

Good evening Faculty! Just got back from my weekend trip to Cedar Point. I did not ride the Dragster but my sister and brother-in-law did so the trip was a success.

I signed the petition as number 278!! Well, I have some catching up to do on various sites now so have a great evening... :)

'Elijah Goes to the Beach' could be FOTR, but the movie I was thinking of, Pelagia, was Avalon.

www.avalonbeach.com

Pelagia and Achila and I had a mini EW film festival on Friday. The War was very good. tg, if you are looking for something happy to screencap, may I suggest the ending scene? 'Lipstick and rouge, Mom!' :D

I completely forgot that I saw the 'Homicide' episode with EW when it first aired. :o I remembered all the plot of G. picking up Frank to take him to the firing range and Frank getting the news about the test results, but nothing of the EW storyline. My only excuse is that I was perimenopausal and pregnant :eek: , a combination extremely toxic to brain cells.

What really stood out for me was EW had less dialogue in comparison with the other actors, especially in the interrogation room scene.

Honeyelf, enjoy Hooligans!

C4

Hope my late reply doesn't disrupt the flow TOO much...

Whiteling - Re: 'I've just watched the MTV XBox Special. (Is there *any* difference between viewing MTV and having an epileptic seizure ... ' Now that I've seen the Webcast - no dif at all (glad I'm not alone in thinking this)!!!

Honey - Re: 'I'm sure he can pay the mortgage in some other, more socially-redeeming way.' My thoughts exactly... :rolleyes:

But, re: Hooligans, since when does a fine actor need to be an 'action star' to be worthy?

Re: 'it must have been the geek in him that drew him to it like a gamer to a game.' Admire your sympathy, Hobmom, but would a smoking addiction, then, justify touting choice cigs?

In his youth, EJW would not promote charities because he felt that advertising one's giving was boastful. But promoting material goods of questionable value in his later years is ok? Alright, I know the actor's choices are not my business, but he's become to some degree a public icon and thus has a place in inet discussions, as he well knows.

Saile - The quotes in your sig are amazing - especially JRRT's letter #52. Thanks for airing!

'it must have been the geek in him that drew him to it like a gamer to a game.' Admire your sympathy, Hobmom, but would a smoking addiction justify touting choice cigs?

Well most people know I hate Elijah's smoking addiction, but likening smoking to playing video games is not really a fair comparison.

In themselves video games are not harmful to our health. And I still don't think Elijah knew how tacky that X-box show was going to turn out. And it was REALLY tacky! :rolleyes:

Elijah was in it for such a short time and had so little to do that he probably just thought it was fun and not ultimately an 'infomercial'. Everything else he's done on MTV has been light PR-related stuff for LOTR on TRL and one or two other similar MTVish things. He probably had no reason to think the XBox travesty would be any different. Alas it was! And most likely Elijah was as taken in by the devious evil of Big Bill Gates as the rest of us were. ;)

Yeah, I guess I'd have to agree with Hobmom on this. Elijah likes games, even if we don't. And he probably got excited about the X-Box. I don't share it, but I'm not going to let that disappoint me too much. I know some stellar young people who are into games. Fantastic people who treat other's well and speak up for good things.
And it is quite possible he didn't know the character of the program when he signed--very possible.

I'm not going to let it disappoint me too much. There are still far too many examples of Elijah being a type of individual I admire....over and over again in the way he treats people, and in his approach to "celebrity" and in the way he talks about himself, career and life. When the more questionable choices begin to even vaguely approach the number of times he has done right, in my opinion, then I might start getting disappointed. :)

ETA: People aren't going to agree on what is a good or bad thing in all cases. Cigarettes--okay--mostly there is some public agreement on this. Gaming...people in Elijah's age group likely don't think it's so offensive. At all..

For me?? I don't like the idea of ANY kind of commercials. We are lucky that our daughter got to skip over that phase of the acting stepladder, for instance--because it would have felt so deeply against the grain to hawk things--unless you really believe in them or the company--I don't know what we would have done. But I'm in the minority here and I know it. Lots of actors ( I don't mean Elijah) depend on whatever work they can get. Just like people in regular life who often have to compromise or sell things.... I don't expect everyone I admire to come down on the same side of the fence all the time. Good people have different opinions on these things. And if they ahve pretty much shown themselves to be good people IMO, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and not be too judgemental. Hey, as a vegetarian, I don't like that Elijah wore a Burger King t-shirt. But I know he doesn't have to think just like me to be a good person in my view.

I know you weren't saying Elijah was a bad person, Naiad :k . And I do think it's valid to be disappointed with a person's choices. I just wouldn't, myself, get too disappointed with the person themself based on just that one choice. Though perhaps you have a much deeper antipathy in this area...and then, of course you have the right to your opinion :)


Oh--Honey brought me a signed copy of Everything is Illuminated last month when she visited me. I've just started it--but I sure am loving it. I think I might love JSF--the author and the character!! :k Or maybe it's particularly easy to love him after Honey posted the picture of him and elijah together and it is so easy to see Elijah being the JSF character in the book.

I love the warmth. There are types of guy authors (oh, a generalization!) who I might really admire for their experimental style and clever thinking--but often I don't love them because there is also so much cynicism in their writing. I might appreciate it, but it's harder to love. In this book, the style is so adventurous...but there is so much heart and warmth. :) :)

I really can see Elijah in this part. I only hope it has been adapted in a sensible and gripping way. :z:

Naiad said: But, re: Hooligans, since when does a fine actor need to be an 'action star' to be worthy?

Oh, I certainly didn't mean to suggest that being an 'action star' equates to worthiness. I only meant that he's allowing audiences to see another facet of his abilities. He may look like a delicate little thing, but he's tough, and folks who in the past may have written him off as only good at "one expression," or at weepy scenes can now see him in a whole new light because of Kevin and Matt!

I found myself wondering the other night who Elijah takes advise from? Does he still consult his mom, do you think? She guided him very skillfully through his childhood, adolescence and teens. Unlike alot of child actors, he's hardly had a dry period. He's made some very astute choices of roles ever since Frodo. So does he still run things past her? Was the X-box thing one of his "solo" choices? I wonder if he learned anything from that experience?

Well, we'll never get to ask him, but it'll be an interesting question to revisit as he continues to build his career as an adult.

But like Alyon says:
When the more questionable choices begin to even vaguely approach the number of times he has done right, in my opinion, then I might start getting disappointed.
Hear, hear! :k :D (Or is should that be 'Here, here!' :confused: )

honey!

Honey, many thanks for the cute pic of the two Jonathans :).
I'm eagerly observing the accretion of your petition (I signed as Nr 178, since I saw several Europeans on the list, but I didn't specify my place)... let's hope Dougie's pessimistic (= realistic?) estimation for a belated distribution proves false (as he is hoping himself).

I completely forgot that I saw the 'Homicide' episode with EW when it first aired. I remembered all the plot of G. picking up Frank to take him to the firing range and Frank getting the news about the test results, but nothing of the EW storyline. My only excuse is that I was perimenopausal and pregnant, a combination extremely toxic to brain cells.

Ceefour, who advised you to this paltry excuse? Achila (in her capacity as toxicologist)? :D (just kidding, my dears :k)

What really stood out for me was EW had less dialogue in comparison with the other actors, especially in the interrogation room scene.

Yes, my thoughts exactly. After my first viewing I found myself thinking, "That was all?" - I had envisioned his part bigger. But despite his relatively small screentime and dialogue he manages it to make McPhee incredibly intense. I thought his acting truly "economical". Much expressed in few moments, with every second spot-on. Probably this technique benefitted the character of a psychopath.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/Hannibal_closer.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/HOMICIDE_smirk.jpg

Even Dr Lecter, the prototype of all psychopaths has a comparatively small screentime in The Silence of the Lambs. And yet no-one denies that he is the main character.

P.S. Honey, congrats on 600 posts! :cool:

OMG, whiteling – What a brilliant juxtaposition of McPhee with the demented Dr. Lechter! Note that both actors used a lack of blinking to enhance their creepiness (and that both have blue eyes, of course).

ETA, on video games: In the May 16 New Yorker, there is a review of Steven Johnson’s book Everything Bad Is Good for You. Among other topics, Johnson takes on video games, which he feels develop problem-solving capabilities of a different (but equally important) nature from those developed by, for example, books. At one point, he jokingly (sort of) imagines what cultural critics might have said about books, if those had just recently been invented, after hundreds of years of nothing but video games:
Reading books chronically understimulates the senses. Unlike the longstanding tradition of gameplaying – which engages the child in a vivid, three-dimensional world filled with moving images and musical soundscapes, navigated and controlled with complex muscular movements – books are simply a barren string of words on the page. . . . .
Books are also tragically isolating. While games have for many years engaged the young in complex social relationships with their peers, building and exploring worlds together, books force the child to sequester him or herself in a quiet space, shut off from interaction with other children. . . .
But perhaps the most dangerous property of these books is the fact that they follow a fixed linear path. You can’t control their narratives in any fashion – you simply sit back and have the story dictated to you. . . . This risks instilling a general passivity in our children, making them feel as though they’re powerless to change their circumstances. Reading is not an active, participatory process; it’s a submissive one.

There are some more EII photo's here. (http://movies.monstersandcritics.com/archive/moviearchive.php/Everything_is_Illuminated/2897/images) (including Honey's cute 2 Jonathans :) )

I did manage a fleeting glimpse of EW at the X-Box launch- courtesy of BBC News 24 who briefly mentioned the programme. I dont know what it is but photo's just dont do him justice. To see him in the flesh adds a whole new dimension. I dont normally swoon for him when I see pictures but the living, breathing EW has that special something that is so attractive. :)

Now I'm worrying about the UK release for Hooligans. I thought it was settled as 26th Aug? :confused: Hopefully it wont be too much later than that. EII is due 9th Sept here. Its seems like EW films are like buses, none for ages and then two come along at once! :rolleyes: :D

Yeah, I guess I'd have to agree with Hobmom on this. Elijah likes games, even if we don't. And he probably got excited about the X-Box.


The discussion on gaming and gamers brought a smile. I’m not a gamer but the gamers I know (my son, daughter-in-law, son-in-law) are passionate about gaming and I love to see passion even when it takes the form of gaming. There is a geek quality about gamers too. And I love geeks! Remember when the critics used to slam fans of LOTR as geeks who couldn’t function in real life???? Listening to “my” gamers chat at times you would believe they are talking about Real Life. OOps…..I resemble that.


cheers!

saile

Now I'm worrying about the UK release for Hooligans. I thought it was settled as 26th Aug? :confused: I'm sort of just guessing here, but I think Dougie may have confused "premiere" with "opening." He says the premiere is "pencilled in" for the 26th, but I think he really means that's when the film opens. If there is an actual premiere, I would think it would have to be earlier than that, but the film is apparently set to open in theatres on the 26th.

Gosh, that sounded repetitive, but I hope you know what I was trying to say.

While I'm here, I wondered if anyone else saw this article? (http://www.webpronews.com/news/ebusinessnews/wpn-45-20050514NorthUnveilsNewXbox.html) It's not necessary to go read it -- it's just one more of thousands of blurbs about the Xbox unveiling. The relevant part of it is the title and this amazing sentence:

North Unveils New Xbox

Microsoft's new Xbox 360 was unveiled on MTV during a special program hosted by Elijah Wood, star of such hit films as "The Good Son", "North", "The Faculty", and recently "Sin City".

I just wondered if anyone else was as astonished by this statement as I am. :eek: ;)

Afternoon!!!!!! :k :k

Achila don`t worrie i woulden`t do that!! :k :lol:

Honeyelf Congrats on 600 posts!!!!! :k :k :k

I don`t know if the xbox-show did go here in sweden or i was the only one
here who mised it!! :(
But it sounds like i diden`t miss much!!!!

No, Frodo or lotr mengened in the articel????? :rolleyes:



((((Waves to Whiteling and Serena and Skatergirl))))

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

My only comment on this (quoted by Pelagia):
Rosario Dawson gets it right... she's like a slightly less scary Condoleezza.
is:
:lol: (I knew she reminded me of someone!)

Thanks to all for the links, and to quicksilver for the link to the EII pics. Interesting that some of the actual film shots make me wonder what's happening, while others I recognize immediately. (I kinda got a kick out of the name of that website being a Tolkien allusion :cool: -- monstersandcritics.com)

Am I the only one who took the obvious approach and thought "Elijah goes to the beach" was Flipper? :o

Thought-provoking discussion, as always. I'll just throw in that Elijah's acting has never been a commercial-free zone. Lays potato chips, anyone? The Gap? Those European fashion shoots we see pics from? I'm actually glad he didn't give up modeling at age 8--I think it's affected his acting in a positive way. Even being the "voice" for Frodo in video games could be seen as commercialization for them. I guess I'm not disillusioned because I never expected him not to do advertising. In a way, I see it as part of his "working actor" identity. I haven't seen the Xbox show, but I don't think it would help my judgment if I did--IMHO, MTV is a world/culture unto itself that's awfully hard to understand when looking in from the outside.

Not to take away from anyone else's opinions--it's a part of his career that he needs to keep rethinking as he gets older and more visible to a general audience. But at this point, the MTV crowd and the fanboys are still a big constituency of his, and he's probably more "famous" there than among the general population. And a big part of me thinks he's still somewhat taken by the opportunity to do things he's always wanted to do--#1 of those when he was first asked about it after becoming "famous" was beng able to meet musicians he'd always admired.

TG:
I'll just throw in that Elijah's acting has never been a commercial-free zone. Lays potato chips, anyone? The Gap? Those European fashion shoots we see pics from? I'm actually glad he didn't give up modeling at age 8--I think it's affected his acting in a positive way. Even being the "voice" for Frodo in video games could be seen as commercialization for them. I guess I'm not disillusioned because I never expected him not to do advertising. In a way, I see it as part of his "working actor" identity.

Good point. I have a suspicious anti-corporate nature, so I tend to look at commercials with some distaste. But I don't blame actors who do them--so often the product seems pretty innocuous to most people. You can't really know everything about motivation or for that matter how informed one is about the politics of it all. U2 songs promote Ipod--but I heard recently that they did it for free because they love the product. They felt it worth promoting. Even those radical anti-corporate guys are doing some promotion! I can't see Viggo doing a commercial, however ;) that would really be counter to his persona. Surprise me, viggo! :p Also, long before anyone in our family had any feet in the acting industry--I felt obliged to argue with friends of mine who used the word sell-out when actors were on commercials. It's work. It's their job. Especially applicable to actors who don't get much work. And what about people in more mundane lines of work? Many of us who complain sell things, too, and work for corporations. Is everybody a sell-out? We all are accountable. I don't think it's fair to only hold actors to such standards...Though (as I ramble on), this does not mean that a line can't be crossed in my subjective opinion. And I really admire people who pick and choose what they promote. Which, likely, elijah did, in this case. :confused: :)

Sorry for the ramble. Going back to work...

Alyon
I have to agree with you on this point about the pros and cons of Elijah doing such promotional work as the X-box MTV show...

In my ever so humble opinion, doing this sort of work just serves to instill his persona into the subconscious of the current younger generation, as one very cool and very hip, geeky guy, who is just one of them secretly, and as such, should be respected and admired for doing things that they would all love to get to do...visit Skywalker Ranch, and get to view the new Styar Wars movire before anyone else, meet rock bands that you admire, and have them coming to you for an autograph, and so on ...

This can't possibly hurt his career, and very probably will help it along enormously...and even though he probably will look back on the occasional programme he did, with a little regret for the fact that it wasn't so good a production, the fact that it is a commercial probably won't even enter the equation...as Alyon says, this IS what he does for a living...and that acting career will include adverts that his agent will deem to be very good for him to be seen doing...and there will be products that he will definitely love promoting, and X-box is one of those, I reckon...
To put it into perspective, this is no different to me being asked to come up with a display window for the department store where I work, that advertises various TVs, DVDs and, yes, X-box and the games that go with it...I don't personally play with these games, but my store is in the business of selling them, amongst many other things....I am not about to turn down the window display job on the grounds that I don't personally use the product...that would be laughable...
In this case, Elijah DOES use the product, and therefore this would seem to be a rare instance of an honest endorsement from a Hollywood actor... :rolleyes:

Am I the only one who took the obvious approach and thought "Elijah goes to the beach" was Flipper? :o .

I hadn't realised until numerous titles started appearing as answers to this puzzle, that beaches appear in Elijah's films as much if not more than treehouses :D

I did manage a fleeting glimpse of EW at the X-Box launch- courtesy of BBC News 24 who briefly mentioned the programme. I dont know what it is but photo's just dont do him justice. To see him in the flesh adds a whole new dimension. I dont normally swoon for him when I see pictures but the living, breathing EW has that special something that is so attractive.

I know just what you mean. I missed the MTV shows, and haven't seen Elijah 'live' for ages. As numerous stills from some of these events have been posted, I have occasionally found myself wondering what I see in him, as many aren't that flattering. Even in some of the obviously posed ones, he looks like he's forgotten how to be photographed. But I only have to play back last year's radio interview with Jo Wiley, or see him reading Me and My Cat, and I am quickly reminded of how there is so much more than just looks to what makes him attractive.

Oh how I hope he comes to the UK to promote Hooligans, or whatever it gets to be called. I would so love to see him in conversation with Jonathan Ross. Would he cope??

I have no problems with Elijah doing commercials. I loved the Lays one, and I don't know if the same happens with TV advertising in the USA, but here in the UK, it has done wonders for widening the profile of some actors. The ones that really work are the adverts where the actor plays a character, rather than themselves.

I don`t realy mind him doing commercials either!!

As long as it isen`t about something stupied!!
like some foodchange or shcampoo or something like that!!
if you know what i mean!!
But as long as he shows up in tv-shows and things like that
i don`t mind at all!!!!!! :D :p

And my highest wish is that he woulde come to sweden and promote
a movie, a flight to our capitol Stockholm only takes 45 minutes for me!!!!
But how big is that chance?? :(
And if i woulde met him in real life i woulde faint that for sure!!
And if he opened his mouth mmmmmmm (sorry wrong thread!! :D )
to say somthing i for sure shoulden`t be able to say anything back!!

WOOD

I've been trying to figure out what was so 'off' about the XBox show.

If they had just done it live like TRL or let the real MTV people handle it rather than Microsoft it would have been much more natural and fun to watch. Elijah could have done a much better job of selling the thing all by himself with his own gaming exuberance. They should have let him play with it and talk to other gamers about it. Then it would have been 'real'. Instead MicroSoft turned it into the disgustingly smooth and bland infomercial we now so dislike. I still think Elijah had no idea how the Microsoft people were going to present it.

I think it all comes down to a modern-age axiom... Never trust Bill Gates. :rolleyes: :)

Funny me being the apologist for commercials :rolleyes: because I'm one of those green consumers who follows boycotts and actually has turned down opportunities that others thought I should jump on, because they didn't line up with my beliefs. I believe in responsible consumerism and in doing the best you can to reflect your own personal ethics in what you do. And I'd think hard about taking money to promote a product (not that anyone would give me any). I can only think of a handful I would do that for. I"d be pretty political about it.

But things jsut aren't clear-cut and not everyone is going to see things the same way. And I mean people who I think are admirable are going to come up with different personal guidelines--things just aren't too black and white most of the time. (IMO). As Lady Wendy says...some things might not be promoting just what you terribly support, but they aren't that objectionable either, and there is no way to live in the world without being somewhat practical. :D I don't think, anyway. Who, for instance, has a job that allows them perfect choices all the time?

But again--funny me being an apologist for commercials... :D :o

But...go Elijah. He is so uncommercial in his lifestyle. I do so like that.

oh--an example from way back when popular songs first started being used in commercials. The Beatles did NOT want their songs used to promote products (Michael Jackson owned them so they couldn't do much about it). But when NIKE got Yoko's permission to use an actual Beatles performance of Revolution to sell their shoes...the former Beatles went to court in quite a huff. The song is not about selling shoes. And since it was their actual performance used in the commercial, they ended up prevailing (Yoko changed her mind and went along with the other three in the end).

There are some things that mean more than nostalgia to sell a product.
Times have changed....and there is less controvery in this area. But I still am so glad that they resisted firmly.

On topic again--
I am just loving the new EII pictures. When I think Elijah lately, I see him in a white shirt and tie...and those...glasses :D I'm getting to like the look quite a lot!!

Regarding the x-box gig, I think the worst that can be said about it was that it was bland! No doubt somebody was having fun that night, but the show just didn't convey that.

Hobmom, I completely agree with you, that I would have liked to see Lij playing with the machine and geeking out over it. THAT would have been fun!

But what really concerns me about the commercial aspect of the thing, is that in the past commercials were sort of the last stop of has-been celebs. Think Linda Carter selling contact lenses, or William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy flouting priceline.com.

OK, the x-box thingy wasn't really a commercial. And he was obviously there because the marketing-geeks at MTV and Microsoft believe His Lijness to have some considerable cachet with their focus audience. Maybe this is a generational thing I just don't get. Maybe twenty-somethings don't see doing glorified commercial as "selling out" like my generation does.

honey!

ETA: Simulposted with honey--Thanks to Boston Legal, William Shatner's a star again (just sayin' :) ).

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Has anyone heard from Grumpy lately? :confused:


I have no problems with Elijah doing commercials. I loved the Lays one, and I don't know if the same happens with TV advertising in the USA, but here in the UK, it has done wonders for widening the profile of some actors. The ones that really work are the adverts where the actor plays a character, rather than themselves.
My favorites are the ones for the Visa check card, where the celebrity has to suffer through the indignity of not being able to cash a check because the clerk doesn't recognize him. The celebrities play themselves, but there's always some little quirk used; what I think makes them so good is that the celebrities show they don't mind making fun of themselves. My favorite is Kevin Bacon rounding up all the people for a "six degrees of separation" chain between him and the store clerk :D . At this point, Elijah could do one along the lines of "No ones recognizes me without my wig" :p , but that opportunity might be short-lived.

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ceefour, I'll keep your "lipstick and rouge" scene in mind :) . I've wanted to do something from The War, but have never been able to decide what.

And, I didn't get everything done over the weekend, but am at least within sight of being able to take new screencaps. I've been running for quite awhile mostly on pics that I already had captured from Mirror of Galadriel, Shelob's lair, and The Faculty. As some might remember, for almost two years I've had a non-working CD drive and an occasionally working DVD drive (so whenever it decided to work, I'd make lots of caps!). It finally got to where the hard drive was having so much trouble that I started watching for a good deal, and found one at Best Buy, so have a new computer :eek: .

Because of the non-working CD drive on the old one, I've been transferring everything via a jump drive, which has been working pretty well. What's been the most trouble is transfering the "subscription" services (ISP, VirusScan, haven't taken care of the webhosting yet...). But hopefully all the necessary stuff will be finished soon.

i haven`t heard a word from grumpy!!!!!! :( :(

hope she is okey!!!!!!! :z: :z:

OH,TG PLEASE DO SOMETHING FROM THE WAR I THINK THAT MOVIE WAS SO GREAT AND SO DID MÝ MIDDLE DAUGHTER!!! :z: :z:

WOOD

I still think Elijah had no idea how the Microsoft people were going to present it. To tell the truth, I highly doubt this. Based on what he was reading and how he read it, he had to know how the show was going to be cobbled together -- Elijah's much more savvy than that -- he was basically playing, pardon the pun, the Ringmaster (red coat and all). And obviously, in the end, the content was OK to him.

Tg and others have pointed out that Elijah has certainly made commercials before, and the show was nothing more than a half-hour commercial for a video game console system. If you saw any of the clips of Lij interviewed before the show, he talked about a) his very long-time association with gaming systems such as Colecovision (YIKES!) and Nintendo, etc., and b) the fact that this new system is "massively multi-player", giving people from all over the ability to play against each other online like many of the computer RPGs (which is what I play, although not recently), and develop a sense of community with each other. So not only does he think the new system is cool, but it also obviously appeals to his love of (pun again -- look out) "fellowship". Ultimately, this is not just *any* commercial, from his point of view, but something he enjoys and believes in. Works for me!

ETA: There is a scan of the Czech Premiere magazine at the LJ of lorely_se -- with an article about EII -- anyone speak Czech, who could translate it for us? Here's a cute pic from it:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/aquila0212/czprem2.jpg

But what really concerns me about the commercial aspect of the thing, is that in the past commercials were sort of the last stop of has-been celebs. Think Linda Carter selling contact lenses, or William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy flouting priceline.com.

That's changing very quickly nowadays. Commercials, especially ones directed by "name" directors and starring big-name actors, have been broadcast for years over in Japan ("Lost in Translation" is all about using big stars for foreign advertising). It's only now that similarly famous people are doing commercials here in the States. Not many of them are on-screen yet, but more are showing up (Nicole Kidman directed by Baz Luhrman for Chanel No. 5, Julianne Moore and Halle Barry for Revlon), and many of them are doing voiceovers (Julia Roberts, Gary Sinise, Gene Hackman, Robert Redford, Alec Baldwin, etc.)

If Elijah wants to support something that he really loves in what amounts to an infomercial, I'd believe him long before I believe that Catherine Zeta-Jones really cares if I use T-Mobile cell phones instead of my regular service.

Actually, I should be the one with the :o face. I forget sometimes The Faculty is an international group, so how could the majority know of a little beach town called Avalon in New Jersey, USA?

As for X Box and Star Wars promos, EW is an adult and can make his own choices. Because of EW's involvement, I know a new game system is being released and Young Master ceefour is quite impressed with his mother. (He just doesn't know why I know!)

C4

Joel Siegel has an overview of summer movies coming up on May 29th, on ABC. Don't know if he's gonna talk about EiI now that it's been shifted to September, but I'm TiVOing it just in case.

Achila, great picture! Isn't Serena studying Czech?

That's changing very quickly nowadays. Commercials, especially ones directed by "name" directors and starring big-name actors, have been broadcast for years over in Japan ("Lost in Translation" is all about using big stars for foreign advertising). It's only now that similarly famous people are doing commercials here in the States. Not many of them are on-screen yet, but more are showing up (Nicole Kidman directed by Baz Luhrman for Chanel No. 5, Julianne Moore and Halle Barry for Revlon), and many of them are doing voiceovers (Julia Roberts, Gary Sinise, Gene Hackman, Robert Redford, Alec Baldwin, etc.)

You're right, Skate! I'm just old! :D

I've been missing Grumpy, too! Hope she's OK! :k (((Grumpy)))

And speaking of members MIA, I heard from Flourish today, and she's doing well! :k (((Flourish)))

honey!

Achila: Thanks for the great EII picture. But when are we going to get to see Sammy Davis Junior Junior?? Is she being kept under wraps, as Kevin was for Sin City? Or did I miss something? :confused:

Originally posted by Skater girl.
Oh how I hope he comes to the UK to promote Hooligans, or whatever it gets to be called. I would so love to see him in conversation with Jonathan Ross. Would he cope??

He's survived Graham Norton so Jonathon Ross should be easy. :D

I'd love to see him on Parkinson, as I've said before. Theres more possibility of a serious conversation with Parky than Woss.
Alas Elijah seems rarely to visit the UK for promotions. :(

I have no problem with him doing commercials. Over here, some commercials are more fun than the programmes ! :p Plus I'd get to see or at least hear him several times a day!

I love hearing Sean Beans voice on the O2 adverts. I think Ian Holm advertises something or other- only in voiceover though.Cant remember what it is so the advertising didnt actually work on me! :D

But when are we going to get to see Sammy Davis Junior Junior?? Is she being kept under wraps, as Kevin was for Sin City? :confused:

This has been my suspicion ever since I saw this caption on the website:
Heritage Touring Mascot
This bitch is not our mascot, but a
bitch I found online.

http://www.whoisaugustine.com/heritagetouring/

This website, BTW, is still pretty well hidden from search engines, since it doesn't mention Everything Is Illuminated but is set up as if it's an actual site for Heritage Touring. I had to find it again, as I haven't transferred my bookmarks to this computer yet. Searching for "Everything Is Illuminated" brought up book-selling sites and fan sites. "Heritage Touring" found sites about real companies named Heritage Touring (whodda thunk?) and a lot of pages with the words "heritage" and "tour" in the same sentence. I finally found it by searching for "Heritage Touring bitch" :p . Even then, the first half-dozen matches were quotes from the book. -- I blame this difficulty partly on my new earthlink software, which has substituted Google for MSN Search on my toolbar. IMHO, MSN's much better for finding a specific name instead of just matching keywords; I think it would have come up with "Heritage Touring" more quickly than all the pages that happened to have the words "heritage" and "tour" in proximity to each other.

Anyway, it's a clever idea for a website, but I wonder if they're flying a bit farther below the radar than they mean to? To make it even more convoluted, the URL is whoisaugustine (which I remembered, of course--as soon as I saw it :rolleyes: ). I also remembered (as soon as I saw it) that the Heritage Touring site is only part of the whoisaugustine site, but on dialup even my new computer can't handle most of the Flash pages on the rest of the site. It's as if they've purposely tried to hide the site from search engines, which can't read Flash intros or image maps acting as menus.

---I was all excited when my search found a page that said it had the EII movie poster for sale. But when I got there, they also had the DVD of the movie "for sale," and the poster wasn't any more available than the DVD was. :(

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Honey, thanks for the news on Flourish. Glad she's doing well. :)

Achila: Thanks for the great EII picture. But when are we going to get to see Sammy Davis Junior Junior?? Is she being kept under wraps, as Kevin was for Sin City? Or did I miss something? :confused:There were pics of her (or rather, the two dogs who played her) when Elijah was filming the movie -- I'll look to see if I can dig up one.

I thought I had pictures of the dog(s), but the closest I can come is a fuzzy, long-distance shot. I guess I didn't save the ones I'm remembering, or something.


And Elijah has already survived Jonathan Ross! He was interviewed at the premiere of FOTR, as were Dom and Billy, and probably others. :) Somewhere, I have the clip...

Hi Faculty....
Can't recall if Sammy Davis Jr. Jr. is a big dog or not...but here is a pic Of Elijah with a dog when he was filming EII
For those of you who saw this a few minutes ago...only to see my post disappear :o ...I mistakenly said it was a pic of Jonathan with a dog....should have realized it was just Lij with his glasses on.....not Jonathan with those ultra thick lenses :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/ylla/lijdog.jpg




Is this Sammy or just a canine fan of his? What a lucky dog :D
Big Hugs to all of You :k :k :k

Is this Sammy or just a canine fan of his? What a lucky dog :D
Big Hugs to all of You :k :k :kNope -- not Sammy. I think she (they) is black and white -- darn -- I can't find the pic (that dog was at a hotel Lij was staying at in Prague). I HAVE to get my pic file ordered -- 7000+ pics and I can never find anything!

great to "see" you in here again if so for a sek.!!! :k :k

(((waves to ylla)))

will not post anymore today becuse my mood is on the bottom of the sea,i maybe post something i don`t mean!!!!! :( :( :( :(

WOOD

(((Ylla)))

{{{wood}}}

....should have realized it was just Lij with his glasses on.....not Jonathan with those ultra thick lenses :D

...And if they kept Jonathan's attitude toward dogs (especially Sammy Davis Jr., Jr.) at all true to the book, he wouldn't be doing this--and smiling :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/ylla/lijdog.jpg

Is this Sammy or just a canine fan of his? What a lucky dog :D
IIRC, it's the dog at the hotel where Elijah stayed during the Karlavy Vary [?I'm sure that's not the right name] film festival. The hotel he wrote that lovely thank-you letter to.

In my minds eye, Sammy Davis Jr. Jr. the seeing eye bitch was a Jack Russell Terrier. On the whoisaugustine site the dog shown in silhouette is reminiscent of a golden retriever. The dog has to have the right kind of personality, somewhat hyper and tenacious enough to be a little intimating to someone afraid of dogs, but intelligent too. A golden retriever sized pooch would be too big to share the back-seat of a Trabant with Jonathan while performing certain maneuvers. :eek:

Which reminds me of a story. A young acquaintance of our family has starred in a little-known independent feature-length film. My husband, who likes to know how things work, asked this sweet young woman if she could share any interesting behind the scenes stories about what went on during the filming.

She told about shooting a scene where her character rides in the back seat of a car. She wasn't the only one back there! A largish recording device sat on the seat next to her, out of camera view. And in the foot-well lurked the director!

Naturally, when I heard this story, I pictured Elijah in the back of the Trabant, with Liev at his feet, and Sammy Davis Jr. Jr. :eek: :lol: Probably NOT the way they shot that scene, but it's a funny mental image!

Simulposting with you TG! Your recollection matches mine. And you're just one vowel off; it's 'Karlovy Vary!' :D

Wood, sorry to hear you're feeling low. Here's The Count and a young friend reminding you to "count your blessings!" :k

honey!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/thecountandhobbit.jpg

Sorry to cut in on the canine discussion :) , but this thread is approaching 1000 posts (again!). If someone would start the next one (x8!) I will close this thread. I'll wait until the new one is open to close this one.

So who wants to do it this time? :D

(((wood)))

thank you all!!! :k :k

diden`t mean to worriy you all!!!

But somedays i feeling a bit low!!!!!i am trying my best not to but somedays it is worse then others!!!
I know this isen`t realy the place to talk about this.
but i am feeling i am among friends.
but i having some love problems!!and it is hard to handel sometimes
and the worst part is that it don`t consern my hubby if you know what i mean!!!
well enough of that i guess you all ready know this!!(guess you know who :( :o )
can`t help that i can`t hold my secret for my self anymore!!!sorry
if this is desturbing anybody diden`t mean to!!
i guess i have sade enough for this evening!!

WOOD

In my minds eye, Sammy Davis Jr. Jr. the seeing eye bitch was a Jack Russell Terrier. On the whoisaugustine site the dog shown in silhouette is reminiscent of a golden retriever.
I figure the "bitch I found on the web" is Alex's fantasy dog :p . He'd probably do the same thing with a woman (at least the Alex we meet at the beginning of the story would)--find one he thought was great looking and post that pic instead of the real thing. But at least he's honest about it. ;)

I'm wondering if JSF wrote the text for that website, or if someone else is that good at imitating "Alex-speak." There's one slip in the opening paragraph, though, where the website Alex uses the word "money" instead of "currency," but otherwise he's a pretty good match to the book Alex, syntax-wize.

She told about shooting a scene where her character rides in the back seat of a car. She wasn't the only one back there! A largish recording device sat on the seat next to her, out of camera view. And in the foot-well lurked the director!
This reminds me of a story from the cast commentary for FotR--

Spoiler warning for anyone who doesn't want to think about the camera every time you watch one particular scene!






When the Nazgul attack at the Prancing Pony, we see Aragorn sitting in a chair and the other three hobbits in bed. After we see all of them, Frodo comes into view and calmly sits down on the edge of the bed... According to what Elijah said, this was to make room for where the camera had to move to take the shot. I can never watch this scene now without visualizing the camera moving in tandem with Frodo, just offscreen. (But, as would be expected, Frolijah makes the move so naturally that it just becomes part of the scene.)





End of camera shot spoiler



Simulposting with you TG! Your recollection matches mine. And you're just one vowel off; it's 'Karlovy Vary!' :D
Better than I thought I'd done. :p Thanks.

Maybe it's just me, but the Count's friend seems to bear a resemblance to McPhee... :eek: Ah, the nostalgia of seeing something from the late, lamented officially unofficial Elijah Wood website. :( ;)

Narya--I'm not ignoring you. I just won't be home from work for a few hours yet, and a post this long takes a couple of hours to put together during bits and pieces of stolen time, so it's hard to start a new thread from work.

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Simulposted with (((wood))) :k :k . I don't know what else to say... which is hard when a friend is feeling low.

I figure the "bitch I found on the web" is Alex's fantasy dog :p . He'd probably do the same thing with a woman (at least the Alex we meet at the beginning of the story would)--find one he thought was great looking and post that pic instead of the real thing. But at least he's honest about it. ;) Good point, TG, and I have a feeling you're right -- the dogs they used were basically of the "mutt" variety, from what I could tell.

Narya--I'm not ignoring you. I just won't be home from work for a few hours yet, and a post this long takes a couple of hours to put together during bits and pieces of stolen time, so it's hard to start a new thread from work.I'd be happy to start the thread again, if you like, TG.

I`m Not Ignoring You Either Narya!!!!

But After My Last Post I Don`t Think I Shoulde Be The One To Start A New One!!!!!

Wood

I'd be happy to start the thread again, if you like, TG.
That's fine with me.

You knew I'd have to check :p -- This thread started on March 16, so the last two threads each took "as close as nevermind" to two months to reach 1000. We're right on schedule! :cool:

OK then, kids -- consider this thread officially closed, and come join me at our new home, x8 :k