Khazad-Dum - The Faculty Lounge - An Elijah Wood Discussion x 6

serena

02-12-2005, 06:48 PM

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DEAR ACHILA .....
http://webplaza.pt.lu/barbara/3425lijandPA.jpg

Wish I could take a leaf out of Shireling's book (yes, of course you're writing one, S!!) and say that's me with The One Flirt's hand - er, head shamelessly resting on my kn..., er, shoulder and brandishing the birthday message the two of us have just written for Achila. But you all know the truth. Only a very select few of us can claim to have been touched - well, physically, anyway - by Elwood. So may I just offer apologies for having been away (though sometimes lurking) for so long and missing ylla's birthday altogether (happy very belated one, ylla!) and probably several others too.

Won't try to catch up now except to say I've just had the pleasure of seeing a familiar face on the TV screen for a split second as THAT clip from ESOTSM was shown at the BAFTA awards (though, sadly, the film only won Best Original Screenplay and Editing). Let's hope he's up there for longer next year! Which reminds me: here's a link to a certain page of a certain local film website:
here (http://www.caramba.lu/releaselist.asp?IDFilm=1107287201)
Even though it SAYS Hooligans will be here in 3 weeks' time, I'll believe it when it appears in the March edition of the local film mag - not out yet. There's a faint chance it could be shown at my local indie cinema, 7 minutes' walk from my house :eek: :cool: . I still can't quite believe it: this will be the very first time since Elwood invaded my dreams that a movie genuinely starring him (apart from LOTR, of course) has been shown here! Am trying not to think about it ... watch this space .....

Meanwhile - completely OT except for wood's mention of wine - I saw Sideways tonight. The funniest, quirkiest film I've seen in years. If you haven't seen it yet ... don't miss it! :D

Back soon ....

Narya Celebrian

02-12-2005, 09:07 PM

Happy Birthday, Achila!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/carrolb/happyfroelves.jpg

gia21

02-13-2005, 09:25 AM

Oh! I love that photo, it's one of my new favourite recent pics of Elijah. And you are so right, he is a classical work of art. Beautiful.. :)

Here's one we've had recently from Sundance, but I just loved it. He is such a classic work of pictoral art in it :cool: :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/mechtild/elijahsundance-downeyes.jpg

~ Mechtild :k

Mariole

02-13-2005, 09:51 AM

Hi, folks. Not to be a downer, just popping in to let you know what's going on with me.

I have an impaired nerve in my left arm that is causing tremendous pain. I've been basically off the computer trying to get a handle on this since Weds. The pain is so acute I can't sleep through the night -- I can manage 2.5-hour stints, with the second in a chair. It's tough to function, but I have to do a little work, and that just kills the limited computer time I can tolerate. I'm limited to a couple of 15-minute stints per day. Looking in the monitor or typing hurts. :(

I won't find out anything about possible surgery until Monday (if it's caused by a ruptured disk). Probably more tests will be done. Last week I did chiropracty, acupuncture, massage, and drugs -- nothing is helping. I'm fearful it's a damaged nerve, and I'll be impaired in this left arm for some time. My friends are telling me not to panic, but it's hard. I'll do my best. Right now I feel physically closer to post-Weathertop Frodo than I had ever wanted to feel. *whimpers*

What I miss most is not being able to read anything -- I can't even keep up with everyone. But right now just holding my head still to look into the monitor hurts too much. I hope everyone is well. I really hope this acute pain phase will pass before too long, and I can get back to a more normal routine. But I don't really know the root cause yet. Thank you for all your good wishes. You're good folks, and I appreciate it. Cheers!

*cross-posted to Harem*

wood

02-13-2005, 10:01 AM

Hi all!!!

Sorry to hear you are not feeling okey!!!!!

Here is a little thing to sheer you all up!!!
It was given to me to making me warm under the snwstorm that hit us
yeasterday!
It is made by a very dear friend of mine!!!
Hope you don`t mind me posting it here,Blossom!!
I just wanted to share it with all of my friends!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/erendil/collage11.jpg

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

ceefour

02-13-2005, 10:04 AM

Three postings of that beautiful photo! And that is not said as a swooning fangirl (not that there's anything wrong with that! ;) ) It's just that it IS beautiful. I have been thinkinq quite a bit about that photo and the one posted by wood of EW and Liv Tyler on page 16, along with zkgrumpy's fine analysis. Why do we sit and stare at it? (At least I do!) There's the contrast of LT's long limbs (blast her!) and EW's... not long limbs. His encircling embrace ( hug is too pedestrian a word for it) seems protective. LT's face is beautiful, but, it is EW's expression that draws the eye. I wondered if this photo were displayed in a gallery, would the patrons find it as compelling?
The answer, I think, is yes. Because, I finally realized, the world has been fascinated by that face for centuries.

http:www.monalisamania.com/

Mariole, I hope you heal quickly and feel better soon.

C4

tgshaw

02-13-2005, 10:58 AM

(((Mariole))) [virtual hug, so hopefully not painful :( ] Hope the problem is easily diagnosed and quickly healed.

If it hurts to look at the monitor, you may not see this for awhile, but maybe something restful is in order.

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/tgshaw/Fellowship/cap0998-85-crop.jpg

ceefour--IMHO the Mona Lisa is a good parallel. It's often those subtle, not-easily-defined expressions that draw us into the picture--or the character.

Achila

02-13-2005, 11:26 AM

Hello, my darlings!

Thank you to all of you for the wonderful birthday greetings. Oh, you didn't mean for me to have the *subject* of those pics, just the pics....dang....oh well...I'm not one to look a gift Frolijah in the...er...mouth...

Just came home from a day at my Mom's in NY and what a wonderful treat to come back to! Didn't get ANY Lijah goodness there, so I'm having a bit of withdrawl. Yes, Lady Wendy, I'm guilty as charged -- "bandwench" is my accomplice, or she was in that particular case. Please do pop in to my LJ (I'm aquila0212) and say hello there, by all means. And I post my little "bawdy" stories there from time to time -- my alter ego is having a great time with our Mr. Wood.

Sorry to hear you're not feeling well, Mariole -- I hope you're doing better soon. And for those of you who don't know, our Mari is the author of a wonderful story that I sincerely hope she's able to get back to quickly.

Thanks again for all the pictures and good wishes (and the wonderful gif, Blossom! :) ) -- I love you all! :k

Alyon

02-13-2005, 12:23 PM

((((mariole))))

I'm so sorry. I'll cross my fingers, my toes, and my elbows, hoping you get news that will mean a quicker recovery.

I still owe Achila a birthday pic, and I would love to send one with the right energizing (healing) vibe for you--but I think whatever spirits are in charge of the internet are laughing at me. I tried photo bucket, but when I upload pictures they only get half completed. I don't want to sent you a partial Elijah or a fractured Frodo. But I send you my good thoughts (oh, yeah, right, like that measures up to a juicy picture?? ;) )

Get well.

And ooohh...the Sundance photo posted by Mechtild!!! No words for it...

serena

02-13-2005, 02:21 PM

Mariole, dearest, I'm so sorry to hear you're in pain ... and unable to sleep (or write!), which is almost worse. (In case you're still up for trying non-invasive remedies, NST (aka advanced Bowen Therapy) often works where nothing else does and is very gentle - see this link (http://www.nsthealth.com/). I can personally vouch for it and it cured a friend's intractable case of migraine as well. There are practitioners in Denver, btw.)

Thanks to everyone for all the truly beautiful pics and collages that have appeared recently (was it you, Achila, who originally pointed us to the Sundance spread? Elijah looks as beautiful there as I've ever seen him - the plain dark sweater and the hair, with just the hint of a fringe, really suit him. Classical beauty indeed!)

And thanks again to everyone for all the wonderful reports - Honey and Alyon again, in case I didn't thank you enough for everything you brought us from Orc, and Shireling of course - I can't tell you how good it is to read such accounts of our Lij! If ever we needed definitive proof that he's an angel .... and a flirt ;)

Praying that Hooligans is a hit :z:
cultmovie cultmovie cultmovie cultmovie cultmovie cultmovie cultmovie cultmovie cultmovie cultmovie cultmovie cultmovie cultmovie cultmovie cultmovie cultmovie ........

Achila

02-13-2005, 02:26 PM

Dropping back in to bestow a present -- Lij at the Grammy Nominee Reception last night in LA.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/aquila0212/4407492.jpg

Looks like the eye is all healed now, although it seems that the darned medallion hit the bridge of his nose too.

wood

02-13-2005, 02:38 PM

Serena,i hope the movie hits at your place!!!!
do you have a big house??? :z:
did i ask that?? no,wasen`t me!!
:lol: :lol:

thanks for the picture ,Achila!!!!!!

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

honeyelf

02-13-2005, 05:41 PM

:k (((((Mariole))))) :k I hope you feel better soon! Here's something else that's restful! Sweet dreams, and I'll be praying for your speedy recovery.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/_sleepsepia.jpg

HoneyElf!! Were those the real song lyrics to our new favorite little ditty?? I'm coming to join you in the dance!

Alyon, I don't know if those are the real lyrics, though i'm pretty sure that's what I heard. A second set of ears (attached to the head of my long-suffering husband) agree independently that it is what they heard too. The lyrics seem to be in english with a swedish accent. If you have anything to add let us know. This is an important field of research! ;) :D

Looks like the eye is all healed now, although it seems that the darned medallion hit the bridge of his nose too.

Hmmm, I don't know Achila. I've been to "Wonderland" where they have HUGE copies of that pic, and it looks like....The Return of the One Zit :eek:
to me! My goodness, the pics are HUGE that this Tina person posts. Just massive. I can't even look at them all at once on my computer! they do confirm that the One Lad has pores though! So that means he's not just a very pretty collective hallucination; he's human after all! ;) Probably swears like a sailor, chews his nails, picks his nose, and who knows what all else! ;) ;) ;) ;)

honey!

Achila

02-13-2005, 05:51 PM

You're right, honey -- I just looked at it in hi-res and it's obviously a zit. Never mind...LOL

wood

02-13-2005, 11:24 PM

mORNING TO YOU ALL!!

I FOR SHORE WANT THE LYRICS IN WRITING
BECUSE I CAN`T HEAR WHAT THEY ARE SINGING!! :(

IS THERE ANYONE WHO KNOWS WERE TO FIND IT!!??
I WILL LOOK LATER TO NIGHT WHEN I GET HOME FROM WORK!!

IT IS IN ENGLISH SO MUCH I HEARD.

WHAT ARE YOU LADIES SAYING,ISEN`T HE SO PERFECT
THAT WE THOUGHT?? :( :(

OH,WHAT A RELIF,THAT MAKES HIM HUMAN!!! :lol:

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

Eandme

02-14-2005, 06:09 AM

Wood - thank you for thinking of me! I did indeed get snowed in, but I have shovelled my way out just this morning, and life is pretty much back to normal. Except the world is very white and very silent.

Honeyelf and Bunniebugs - I wish I could help with the Swenglish of that song, but I just realized my work PC is soundless, and my own PC at home is in a coma since before Christmas. Pitiful. So I can't listen to it! :(

Mariole - I feel for you, I really do! Hope you will soon get help!!!

and finally, Achila - what a lovely pic! I do wish Elijah would shave properly though... In the words of my dear friend Cybersyd: "that's not a goatee, that's bumfluff that's migrated" :lol:

serena

02-14-2005, 06:53 AM

Achila

02-14-2005, 08:05 AM

Lovely pic, Achila. Thanks! Was it the yahoo alert that brought you that? If so, I'll definitely have to subscribe. :)

No, some lovely folks on LJ have subscriptions to wireimage and downloaded it for the rest of us. There were two other pics besides that one. Still not sure what Elijah was doing there -- maybe he's decided to take the year off and go full steam ahead with his record label? From what I can tell, he wasn't at the Grammys last night -- that is, no one has mentioned it so far.

Happy Valentine's Day, all. Here's a card for you, from two pussycats (thanks, ylla, for remembering):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/aquila0212/twopussycats.jpg

:k

Skater girl

02-14-2005, 08:27 AM

I do wish Elijah would shave properly though... In the words of my dear friend Cybersyd: "that's not a goatee, that's bumfluff that's migrated" :lol:

I so agree with you. I don't like goatees anyway, but I find that on Elijah, it actually seems to change the shape of his face and draw the focus from his eyes. That is why that picture posted by Metchild is so wonderful. Even though the eyes are closed, they are the focal point, and from there your gaze moves away around the rest of the features in a way that builds the whole as a beautiful image.

I also don't like sideburns for a variety of associative reasons, but Elijah's don't detract from his looks the way the goatee does.

whiteling

02-14-2005, 08:44 AM

(((wood))), if ever I find out for sure when and where Hooligans is being shown here (I've tried asking the site, but they haven't replied to my mail), you and Whiteling and whoever else is Hooligans-deprived and within travelling distance (our long-lost friend Moondancer ??) will be very welcome to come over for a weekend and we can have a Lijfest!

Summary of a medical examination report (Patient Wh.)

Anamnesis: Patient Wh.
- is permanently looking out for the letter combination H-O-O-L-I-G-A-N-S in every piece of text she get hold of
- develops increasing restlessness because of approach of March 4th
- shows somniloquistic tendencies (spoke repeatedly the words "Elijah", "premiere", "when" and "where" during sleep)

Diagnosis: Patient Wh. suffers from the so-called Hooligans-Deprivation-Syndrom (aka HDS) to a high degree.

Suggested treatment: group therapy, preverably in Luxembourg.

:D :k
Serena, your invitation sounds fantastic! I'd love to come (it's not even 2 hours to drive). OK, we still don't know the actual facts regarding "a real première" of Hooligans, but one thing I know for sure: I will meet some of the European Faculty members, whenever, wherever. (Yes, I am stubborn :p )

Mariole, OOUWW - neuralgia is the worst pain I know. Get well soon! :k

wood

02-14-2005, 09:54 AM

HAPPY VALENTINES DAY TO YOU ALL!!!!!!!

SERAENA,Thanks for the invetation!!!! You don`t have to ask me twice!!!!!
:lol: :lol:

Whiteling,You spook for the two of us!!!!! :lol: ;)

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

zkgrumpy

02-14-2005, 12:06 PM

<snipping cat picture>

Harrrrumph. Do you see the smile on that cat? I'd smile too in that situation. :D

~grumpingoffmutteringabouthowtheysaythatcatsdon'tsmile

serena

02-14-2005, 02:20 PM

from Patient No 1E (aka Wh.):
Diagnosis: Patient Wh. suffers from the so-called Hooligans-Deprivation-Syndrom (aka HDS) to a high degree.
Suggested treatment: group therapy, preverably in ......

Thought so. Faculty Constellations are a very effective treatment for HDS, I'm told ;) Not to mention LOTRDS, TAHFDS, CoFDS and above all Day-ODS (still haven't seen that!)

Hmmm ... wonder how many other local Lij initiates are lurking around here? Will we meet them all on the night? Help .... my house is not all that big :eek: Better continue by email!

BTW, did anyone write to the sadly deluded Mr Dressel in the end? Had thought of writing him a nice, friendly and polite letter enclosing a transcript of Steven Sommers' and Bob Ducsay's wise words in the Huck Finn commentary (listened to that again the other night and they leave you in NO doubt of the boy's genius). Not to mention a few quotes from luminaries like Ian McKellen, JRD, PJ, Roger Ebert, Jon Avnet etc. etc. Not sure I know the address, but it might be worth a try.

shireling

02-14-2005, 03:42 PM

BTW, did anyone write to the sadly deluded Mr Dressel in the end

Serena, sadly I don't have his email, but this is his postal address - and phone no;: Mark Edward Dressel,
Center for Effective Communication
110 Stokes NE
Grand Rapids, MI 49505
Tel: 616-361-2071

I was completely incensed by his remarks and was quite prepared to send him a large document containing hundreds of examples of why he was talking complete, er ... drivel, to put it politely. However, when I had reached 10 pages crammed with stills of Frodo, all with completely different expressions, and still hadn't even scratched the surface, I asked myself if this idiot was really worth the cost of all the ink cartridges I'd need, the paper & postage, and especially my time. People like that would never publicly admit that they're wrong & as one of my LJ friends pointed out, he may even get some sort of thrill from knowing his stupid remarks had created such a stir :rolleyes: But what upset me more than anything was the thought of Elijah reading that - as he would almost be bound to. Its one thing to voice an opinion in private (even if it is completely wrong), but to broadcast it to all and sundry like that is thoughtless & ignorant. How would he like to get a Yahoo alert about himself, announcing that he's the worst English teacher in the world? :( So, although my plan never got off the ground, if anyone else wanted to make him see the error of his ways, they'd have my full support :)

honeyelf

02-14-2005, 03:49 PM

I confess that I couldn't resist writing that ignorant man. In accordance with his teaching techniques, I gave myself exactly seven minutes to write a persuasive argument. I included two photographic examples, and was very precise as to how they showed differing emotions. I confess that at the end I couldn't resist onr little jab, and suggested that if he was still unconvinced, maybe someone in behavioural sciences could explain to him what he was looking at.

Because, yeah, the guy got to me. I don't like thinking that anyone is saying anything like that about Elijah. He deserves accolades for his brilliance as an actor, not derision from the ignorant.

honey!

Achila

02-14-2005, 03:49 PM

But what upset me more than anything was the thought of Elijah reading that - as he would almost be bound to. Its one thing to voice an opinion in private (even if it is completely wrong), but to broadcast it to all and sundry like that is thoughtless & ignorant.
Somehow, "knowing" Elijah, I don't think he'd care all that much. I'm sure he's heard it all before, at one time or other in his career, and it was probably harder to weather as a child and he got over it. Plus, he knows how much the fans overwhelmingly love his portrayal of Frodo, and that would mean more to him than the opinion of this little pissant teacher. IMHO, of course!

tgshaw

02-14-2005, 04:20 PM

Somehow, "knowing" Elijah, I don't think he'd care all that much. I'm sure he's heard it all before, at one time or other in his career, and it was probably harder to weather as a child and he got over it.
Achila, I agree. If he made it through the reviews of North at the age he was then (and although it's not my favorite movie by a l-o-o-n-g shot, IMHO it didn't deserve all the plastering it got), he can certainly handle the occasional negative remarks about his portrayal of Frodo. There have been and always will be reviewers like that.

shireling

02-14-2005, 04:26 PM

Just posted this on my LJ & thought the Faculty would find it interesting:

"REVENGE OF THE NERDS

Soft cheeks, limp bodies,little-boy-lost eyes... Not attributes you'd expect of your leading men. The criteria for that accolade should be square jaws, strapping bodies and seductive gazes that send women weak at the knees. Well, you'd be wrong. The days of the Hollywood hunk are gone. Now its the turn of the anti-hunks. Lanky Leonardo DiCaprio, intense Toby Maguire, mellow Johnny Depp, pretty boy Orlando Bloom, introverted Joaquin Phoenix, innocent Elijah Wood.. And, most of all, laconic Jake Gyllenhaal. These are the actors who have snapped up all the juicy roles of late. They've sent old-timers Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone scurrying into alternative careers and made fortysomethings Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt look a sad tale. Lets face it, Collateral and Troy didnt exactly have us glued to the screens.

We no longer want our heroes served up Eighties-style with pecs bigger than their brains; or a la Nineties, when hunks had looks dished out by the gods. The new generation of screen idols are quirky boy-next-door types albeit good-looking ones. Theyve taken their cues from American everyman Jimmy Stewart and added a pinch of James Deans sexual ambiguity and a smidgen of Marlon Brandos inner angst.

The Eighties were an aberration, says Gilles Bensimon, head of American Elle. The one-dimensional action heroes were a response to the fears generated by the Cold War and Vietnam. It wasnt realistic, just escapism from difficult times. The Nineties were about aspiration and pampering, the polished visual perfection of Brad Pitt and Keanu Reeves. Beauty rather than brawn. Now we are seeing a return to the Hollywood of old, of the complex, multi-dimensional characters played by Cary Grant, Dustin Hoffman and Robert Redford.

Others attribute the rise of the anti-hunk to the rise of the feminised male, the metrosexual; and still others to the fact that women make many of the casting decisions these days. Whatever the reasons for the shift, the number of films this cabal of young actors is making, and the revenues they generate, suggests that they will have a stranglehold on Hollywoods plum roles for some time."

It went on to say more about some of the actors named, but didnt mention Elijah again.

So a metrosexual, anti-hunk!??

ETA: From Night & Day, a supplement that comes with the Mail on Sunday, UK.

honeyelf

02-14-2005, 05:30 PM

So a metrosexual, anti-hunk!??

Thanks for the interesting article, Shireling!

I like the term "anti-hunk" as it implies to Elijah. When I think "hunk" I picture a guy who spends all his time in the gym, looking at himself in the mirror as he pumps iron. While his brain is dwarfed by the size of his pecs, his ego is larger than both put together. He's over-confident, and self-obsessed. I don't much like the "limp bodies" reference, but Elijah does have - as one of you ladies observed in the past -- a body not meant for looking at, but for enjoying.

As to "metrosexual" I'm not entirely clear on what that means, but it has a similar self-absorbed shallowness to it. I picture a guy whose bathroom contains more grooming products than mine, with manicured nails, polished skin, and perfect hair. IMVHO "anti-hunk" would be a badge of honor, but "metrosexual" just doesn't describe Elijah to me at all. He has that "easy grace" that Sean Astin so admires and envies at once. I'm not sure that a true metrosexual would allow himself to be seen in public with that patch of bumfuzz migrated north :lol: Remember, this is a guy who says he doesn't wash his face much because it has it's own oils that cleanse it. Somehow I doubt he has a shelf-full of astringents and toners in the bathroom.

Elijah is just Elijah, and that's practically perfect the way I see it. I love his wrinkled untucked shirts, and ties that just won't stay put, his faded shabby converse all stars, and those proportianatley long and slender legs encased in worn ripped denim. He's entirely unique to me, and that he's compared by association to Jimmy Stewart in the article is high compliment indeed!

before I out-right have a swooning melt-down I'll leave off.

honey!

ETA: Just had to share this. Slender, but muscular. Not "limp"!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/muscularbendingthing.jpg

serena

02-15-2005, 06:02 AM

Those muscles, Honey! No wonder the Angeleno reporter called him "surprisingly muscular" ...

But
from Honeyelf:
a body not meant for looking at, but for enjoying
Actually both, I'd have thought. The Harem might agree. Provided its owner permits, of course :D

from Shireling's article:
Now we are seeing a return to the Hollywood of old, of the complex, multi-dimensional characters
Complex, multi-dimensional ... I like it! Sounds just like our boy. Am so glad that article at least thought to include Elijah on the list of actors who have (in the eyes of the media) taken over from the Cruises and Pitts. That puts him on the A list, I'd say. Hope he stays there for a long, long time.

But why most of all, laconic Jake Gyllenhaal :confused:

And thanks for the address, Shireling. I expect Mr D will have received quite a few vitriolic diatribes (I don't mean Honeyelf's, which I'm sure was measured and eloquent), so he may bin anything else he gets, but I'll still do it when I find the time to write out the transcript :rolleyes:

On a happier note, being out of my mind :rolleyes: I lent a friend my ROTK EE DVD set (that's why I'm suffering from ROTKDS right now :( ) and he reports back that he's watching every second of every disk and that the tearful farewell between PJ and Elijah makes him cry too, and that there are two performers in the movie that he really admires: John Noble and Elijah Wood :) . How's that for an original viewpoint? It's rare for JN to be singled out, but I think he did a magnificent job with the material he was given - OK, it may not have been the Denethor of the books, but my friend points out how utterly different the movie character is from the John Noble who's interviewed. That complete disappearance into the character wasn't achieved by every LOTR actor by any means, but it was achieved by John Noble and, of course, by Elijah. My friend was very impressed by Elijah, saying (without any prompting from me!) how incredibly expressive his face and eyes are.
All of which makes me very glad I lent my DVD set to a discerning and appreciative viewer!

Oh ... and I managed to call the local film distributors today (at "Caramba") and they tell me it's unlikely Hooligans will be shown here before the second half of March or even early April. That's rather what I suspected. But a small pic of The One Lad has appeared on the site:

here (http://www.caramba.lu/releaselist.asp?IDFilm=-1177943654)

Will be in touch, wood and Whiteling!

Achila

02-15-2005, 06:17 AM

Continuing with what serena said, I'm beginning to think that our Mr. Wood is more A-list than we've realized. Over at wireimage, any pics of him appear to get special attention. In fact, if you look at the tabs on the left side of the site, the one for 2005 Park City (which takes you to where all the pics from the event are) has a pic of Lij (in his scarf and superstar sunglasses) on it. Same for the Grammy event last weekend -- the lead pic for that particular set from the nominees reception was of Lij, even though a) he was not nominated for anything, and b) there were only 3 pictures of him, and more of others in that grouping. Hmm...

Here's a new Jonathan pic I found while cruising LJ this morning:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/aquila0212/29c198e9.jpg

whiteling

02-15-2005, 07:18 AM

Achila - that Jonathan picture :eek: :eek: ;)! Wah, it makes me dizzy... its effect on the eyes is alarmingly similar to this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/op-art3.jpg

(I do hope, people's eyes won't be serious damaged by looking at this page... :p)

Shireling, thanks for the really interesting article. And thanks to Honey's comments I eventually know exactly what the term "hunk" actually means :p. Er, do I need to feel like a complete hillbilly because I don't know who Jake Gyllenhaal is :confused: ?

(((Serena))), you poor thing, ROTKDS is an awful condition ;) . I hope your friend with the eyes to see returns your DVD soon. ("Faculty Constellations" - :lol: - I should ask my health insurance whether they will bear the expenses!)
And thanks so much for asking the Caramba people. Hm. We'd need a palantir, methinks... well, time will tell.

Random

02-15-2005, 07:40 AM

Oooh, I love Achilas picture (happy birthday, by the way!). I suppose it is definitely a Jonathan pic? It looks a bit like how Kevin will look kind of intense.

Just popped in to add to what Achila said about Elijahs popularity amongst non-Faculty fans. Like her Ive been avidly reading film forums and been blown away by the support and interest in EW. After ROTK, I think, everyone has been persuaded of his acting abilities theres lots of praise for that, lots of threads about Whats EW up to now? and a fair bit of speculation about EII and his role in Sin City (not so much for Hooligans I suppose because I mostly look at US boards). In particular, I picked up this from a thread in rottentomatoes today in a thread entitled Watch out for these movies in 2005:

Premise: Based on Jonathan Safran Foer's best-selling novel, the film tells the story of a young American Jewish man (Elijah Wood) and his quest to find the woman who saved his grandfather in a small Ukrainian town that was wiped off the map by the Nazis.

Why is this film going to kick you in the a@@?

This is Liev Schrieber's directoral debut (you all know him from The Manchurian Candidate) and this could be a sweet, yet hard hitting picture with excellent performances that could possibly get Wood his recognition at next year's Oscars. Watch out for this one.

Achila

02-15-2005, 07:56 AM

Oooh, I love Achilas picture (happy birthday, by the way!). I suppose it is definitely a Jonathan pic? It looks a bit like how Kevin will look kind of intense.

Thanks, luv! I *guess* it's Jonathan -- can't imagine how he could have put up with glasses like that on TWO film shoots, even if one was relatively short.

Just popped in to add to what Achila said about Elijahs popularity amongst non-Faculty fans. Like her Ive been avidly reading film forums and been blown away by the support and interest in EW.

Isn't it amazing?! Thanks for that quote -- that's one I hadn't seen. I got kind of annoyed with the RT board after a "who's gonna be the next Mark Hamill" thread and stopped lurking around there.

I think I probably said this some time ago but I will reiterate -- I truly do believe that EII has a very good shot at getting Elijah his Oscar. Don't know if I ever said exactly why I think this but here it is, and DO NOT take this any way other than the way it is intended (and keep in mind that I'm Jewish), but within the last twenty years of so, there hasn't been a single film with Holocaust themes that hasn't been rewarded. Not just "Schindler's List", but "The Pianist" and "Life Is Beautiful" as well. Even Roman Polanski, who can't step foot in this country without being arrested, was honored with Best Director, "out of nowhere". He was hardly the front runner, going in to the awards. Likewise with Adrien Brody and Roberto Benigni.

This is not to say that these films aren't deserving in their own right. They definitely are, but there does seem to be a bit of favoritism for them that I've noticed, and in Elijah's and EII's, case, I hardly mind! So to see others outside of "our camp" picking up the banner is quite exciting.

Mechtild

02-15-2005, 08:03 AM

Honeyelf:

...as one of you ladies observed in the past -- a body not meant for looking at, but for enjoying.

I said that! I said that! But having said that, I actually could look and look. At it. I meant what the article-writer implied: the actors in the author's list were not the typically "herky" guys famed for their muscle-bound bodies (cf. the current edition of Brad Pitt or Hugh Jackman -- people like that). When I see bodies like that on the screen, I do admire them ("Wow! That guy must have spent a lot of time at the gym!"), but I don't respond to them on account of their hard-won results. It's what a person does with his body, finally, not what it looks like, that really counts. I can look at some TORCer's shirtless H.Jackson sig pic and, raising my eyebrows appreciatively, say, "Hmmm. Nice." But when I see Honey's pic above (yes, I had saved that one, too, but to demonstrate his flexibility, in another thread :rolleyes: ) I say, "Come 'ere, you."

~ Mechtild ;)

BunnieBugs

02-15-2005, 09:01 AM

Just as a point of interest, the photo that Achila posted isn't Jonathan, per se: it's a photo that Elijah took of himself while in costume (he's very fond of self-portraiture, apparently). So the 'intense' look is not Jonathan or Kevin -- it's Elijah mugging for his own camera. :D

Achila

02-15-2005, 09:05 AM

Cool -- thanks, Bunnie -- makes sense. So is that a half Jonathan, a Jonlijah, a...? ;)

ETA: TG, I found the script for The Faculty. If you happen to pop in here, let me know if you'd like it for your site.

Eandme

02-15-2005, 09:18 AM

Why is he always taking pictures of himself? I saw some from the Sooper Seekrit Pics , some from Prague and other ones that were taken earlier by himself, of himself. I find this most fascinating. Also the look in his eyes on those photos... There is something defiant there, and something very childlike. Perhaps I am the only one who thinks so, I don't know.

This habit of Elijah's is the strangest thing I know about him. It seems he is not so much trying to capture the surroundings, saying "this will remind me I was there", as he is capturing his own face at a certain moment. What is this? Does he even know himself why he does it? (When is the next Q&A with him??) I love him yet he is ...puzzling.

BunnieBugs

02-15-2005, 09:23 AM

wood

02-15-2005, 10:26 AM

good afternoon too you ladies!!!!

i was thinking of another picture of mucels but
for some reson i just found this two!! :p :D :cool:

i know not all likes the first one but you have to close
your eyes for a second!! :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/erendil/Elijah-nip-BW-paler.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/erendil/3340ewo735.jpg

i know this is realy not the place for this swooning stuff! :cool:
But don`t you just looove those mucelse!!
i realy don`t like to much of mucelse but i think Elijah looks so great
he has just enough of it!! :p :D :cool:

i better stop now or else i will be kicked out of here!!
:lol: :lol:

Love you all /wood

Achila

02-15-2005, 10:51 AM

This photo is also one of the so-called 'seekrit' pics that are slowly making their way out into the public. I think part of the reason he takes these shots is for his friends (they were in an album meant for his friends, after all). It's one thing to take a photo of scenery, but won't your friends enjoy seeing you in the shots occasionally, too? I figure he's obliging them as well as documenting his own journey for himself, and part of that journey is about him and what he is/looks like at the time. :cool: At least, that's the way I see it.

Or is it, perhaps, a way to experiment with photography without bothering anyone else? Considering how annoyed Lij has looked when paparazzi were in his face without being invited, maybe he interprets his picture-taking as the same thing. Since he knows how it feels to be on the receiving end of it, maybe he wants to spare others from unsolicited photography. One theory. Also, sometimes I think he's acting, trying out different expressions at different times, like it's an exercise for him of some sort.

honeyelf

02-15-2005, 11:31 AM

Mechtild said: I said that! I said that! But having said that, I actually could look and look. At it. I meant what the article-writer implied: the actors in the author's list were not the typically "herky" guys famed for their muscle-bound bodies (cf. the current edition of Brad Pitt or Hugh Jackman -- people like that)

I figured that is what you meant, and it's what I was trying to express too. It's not like this body, which is sculpted specifically for the purpose of showing off:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/quintessentialhunk.bmp

Speaking in a purely theoretical sense :rolleyes: , this body looks much more "enjoyable" to me, and is equally lookable-at: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/sandy.jpg

Achila said: Or is it, perhaps, a way to experiment with photography without bothering anyone else? Considering how annoyed Lij has looked when paparazzi were in his face without being invited, maybe he interprets his picture-taking as the same thing. Since he knows how it feels to be on the receiving end of it, maybe he wants to spare others from unsolicited photography. One theory. Also, sometimes I think he's acting, trying out different expressions at different times, like it's an exercise for him of some sort.

I like the way you think. The first threory was my thought too, but the second one is even more intriguing!

Whiteling said: Er, do I need to feel like a complete hillbilly because I don't know who Jake Gyllenhaal is ?

Jake Gyllenhaal had the title role in "Donnie Darko," a film which earned cult status over here in the US, but is pretty obscure. He was also in "The Day After Tomorrow," unconvincingly cast as a 17 year-old. He's way too old to play so young IMVHO. Though he's only a matter of weeks older than Elijah, he looks at least a couple of years older, (and it makes me wonder why Elijah didn't get to do "Thumbsucker.") Neither movie attained the kind of audience that LoTR did, so I really don't understand why the article singled him out. Unless they are anitcipating the debut of "Brokeback Mountain" later this year. Apparently he plays a gay cowboy in that one, and it will probably get lots of attention for its subject matter, and then drop out of theaters fairly quickly, because we "prudish" :rolleyes: Americans tend to stay away form movies like that in droves!

honey!

wood

02-15-2005, 11:36 AM

oh my godness honeyelf!!!

i must say that is way to much mucelse!!!!!!!
that don`t look to healthy!!!!

I prefer Elijahs Body!!! :p :D its more human and not like a Terminator!!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

love you all/wood

Achila

02-15-2005, 11:46 AM

I like the way you think. The first threory was my thought too, but the second one is even more intriguing!

And one final thought, which I just had, was that some of his own photos are attempts to be artistic, and artists, very often, will do self-portraits because it's the face they know the very best. They know how the light breaks across the cheeks, the bridge of the nose, what the eyes will look like in certain types of light conditions, etc. I know that Elijah said he really wanted to do more with his photography, and maybe taking self-portraits was something that someone like Viggo, possibly, recommended.

There were those pictures at the beach that he had taken of himself through the car window -- remember those? -- he had said at that point that he was into taking self-portraits. I guess that has continued.

I surely don't discount what Bunniebugs said either -- a lot of the pics just look like snaps you'd take for your friends to make them laugh!

wood

02-15-2005, 12:00 PM

Well sade Achila!!!

You are saying it the way i think too!!!!

That face is very specell and i love the picture Viggo

took when he gets the snow in his face!!But i can`t find it anywere!! :(
The pictures that is taking when he is unprepared is to me in a way the best!!!
But i also love the pictures in some photoshoots too!!!
I guess it depends on how good the photograph is!!!
It has too be someone who can read his face and can see the things you
just sade!!!
As for one thing like his colur of the eyes is shifting depending of what he is wearing!
In some pictures of him in the caracter of Frodo his eyes almost looks green!!!

And like you also was saying some pictures you only take becuse you wantes your friends to have a big laugh!!!!

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

whiteling

02-15-2005, 12:01 PM

Thanks, Honey, for answering my question regarding Mr. Gyllenhaal. :) - Sounds to me as if I wasn't missing something worldshaking :p .
Nice comparison pictures, btw. Which one is Elijah? :D

As to Elijah's photographic interest in himself (what a fascinating discussion!) - it could be the equivalent of a painter's obsession with painting self portraits. To study the own face as if it were totally alien, or a landscape or something. Here's (http://www.moorsmagazine.com/kunstwerken/horstjanssen.html) a link to an art site with several self portraits of the genius draftsman Horst Janssen.

ETA: Simulposted with Achila and Wood :) ! Hey, I'm not alone with this thought.

Flourish

02-15-2005, 12:06 PM

Wood you make me :D in the nicest way.

I recently saw a picture of the kid who did get the role in "Thumbsucker" and he looks (and I think is) ages younger than Elijah Wood--16 or something. I'm really sorry I've forgotten his name, though.

wood

02-15-2005, 12:24 PM

Well Flourish!!! I m glade i can make someone laugh!!!! :k :k

But i hope you not laughing at me all the time!!! :(

Just kidding!!!! :lol: :lol:

We have a saying for this kind of things but i can`t find the right words
for it!!!! :(

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

honeyelf

02-15-2005, 01:01 PM

Luke Taylor Pucci, "Thumbsucker." Wow! He really is a puppy! He'll be 20 in July of this year.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/ltp.jpg

Jake Gyllenhaal. Don't know how old this picture is. He's 5 weeks older than EW, btw.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/jg.bmp

This young man need no introduction here (and hardly any excuse to post a pic, either! :p ):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/00009xt8.jpg

wood

02-15-2005, 01:08 PM

Lovely picture honey elf!!!!!!!

I love those picture in profile!!!!! :k :k :k
and i agree in here we don`t need any ecuse
to post pictures of "THE MAN" or he needs no fether
introduction either!!! :lol:

love you all/wood

oh my godness so many posts and nothing real importend to say!!!
just an ecuse to talk with you lovely ladies!!!! :k :k :k

ceefour

02-15-2005, 01:16 PM

OK, I'm confused. (Doesn't take much. :rolleyes: ) If the photo posted was for EW's friends, how is it that it showed up on the Internet? (C4 shows her lack of Internet savvy, yet again.)

honeyelf

02-15-2005, 01:26 PM

C4, I only wet my toes in LiveJournal infrequently, but here's the story as far as I know it. One of Elijah's friends posted a bunch of his pics in a web-site for their friends, kinda like one of us might do with our family vacation pictures. Somebody managed to find them, and posted a link on LiveJournal I think. Everyone started popping over there to look at the pictures, and the poor friend was horrified. He took the pics down, but by then a lot of them had been copied, and are still available to look at on LJ. I've seen some of them myself, and there are some really charming ones, as well as a lot of real silliness going on. I think if people wanna look at them, seeing as they are now out there, that's their business, but I'm not very comfortable seeing them posted on a public forum. I guess I'm being sorta inconsistent here, because I have a few of them saved to my computer. It's just that Elijah's friend never meant them to be for public consumption, and it feels like the fans are really invading Elijah's private space. I hate to think that he has no place where he can just be himself without fear of the fans (and that includes me) trying to peek in! JMHO.

honey!

Achila

02-15-2005, 01:34 PM

C4, I only wet my toes in LiveJournal infrequently, but here's the story as far as I know it. One of Elijah's friends posted a bunch of his pics in a web-site for their friends, kinda like one of us might do with our family vacation pictures. Somebody managed to find them, and posted a link on LiveJournal I think. Everyone started popping over there to look at the pictures, and the poor friend was horrified. He took the pics down, but by then a lot of them had been copied, and are still available to look at on LJ.

Er...uh...well, not exactly, honey. This friend was quite happy with all the notoriety for a while there, and had no qualms about keeping the site open for fans to look at the pics (but stipulating not copying them anywhere). There are others here who know the details far better than I, but from what I know, in the end, when the site closed, it was not without quite a bit of rancor on this friend's part.

honeyelf

02-15-2005, 01:38 PM

Oh! Okay! Well, I think you spend more time in LJ land than I do, so you've got your facts straighter than me. :cool:

honey!

ceefour

02-15-2005, 01:41 PM

Was the site shut down at EW's request?

ETA-Or was the friend upset with fans for posting the photos over the Internet rather than just viewing them in LiveJournal?

C4

wood

02-15-2005, 01:47 PM

This is getting real intresting!!!!!
tell us more about this story!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

As you can see i am bourd here at home!!!!
its just sports on the tv nothing intresting!! they
have canceled the evening epidode of #JORDAN# :(

Maybe i will go and look at a Elijah movie!! :D
Wich one?? i have seen them all i think!!
oh i can see them all again just so i can eatch that
beautiful face!! :D :p :lol:

Nah,i stick around here,i have to hear the and of this story!!!! :lol:

love you all /wood

zkgrumpy

02-15-2005, 03:21 PM

oh my godness honeyelf!!!

i must say that is way to much mucelse!!!!!!!
that don`t look to healthy!!!!

Hey! You're talking about the Governator there! :p ;) :p ;)

Concerning Elijah's friend and pics: Where was the rancour? On the friend's part toward the fans, toward the friend on the fan's part, or did Elijah kick his friend's posterier around the block for him?

Did the friend ever hear of "password protection"?!? :o :o

~grumpyandhopingtheydon'tsucceedinchangingtheconstitutionsohecanbeprez :z: :z: :z:

Achila

02-15-2005, 03:27 PM

Concerning Elijah's friend and pics: Where was the rancour? On the friend's part toward the fans, toward the friend on the fan's part, or did Elijah kick his friend's posterier around the block for him?

Did the friend ever hear of "password protection"?!? :o :o

That was the point, zk -- he liked the attention. But something happened I'm not quite clear about and he was forced (by someone -- dunno who) to close the site. He directed his rancor at the fans, as if it were their fault. BunnieBugs, help me out here -- you know this story better than I do.

Alyon

02-15-2005, 03:31 PM

Adding my two bits about Jake Gyllenhaal...I really like him :D His approach seems to be artistic and unpretentious...very nice looking but with a humorous, sometimes goofy, outsider sort of bent. He has been in lots of movies over the years (You may also know his sister, Maggie Gyllenhaal)...I think one article called him one of the king of independents--The Day After Tomorrow being his first big mainstream movie, and sort of out of character with other movies he has been in--though he did play the the Holden Caulfield-obsessed boy in The Good Girl. But he is very appealing IMHO. It seems as if in one or two movies he is the young, warm, attractive guy with a mature aesthetic who develops a love interest in an older woman. Okay, we need that stroke now and again ;)
Lovely and Amazing comes to mine. And he was really funny in Bubble Boy... This last year he is getting more mainstream attention, though I believe he has had a following for some time. Now he is showing up in those lists of beautiful people. But I like him because he doesn't show any outside consciousness of his looks...(though it's not like I know THAT much about him). Oh yeah-- he was the lead in October Sky, which I also recommend. It's a true story of a boy in a coal mining town who decided to build a rocket. :)

Back on Topic--I love the self portrait!! Thanks so much for sharing!! :k

I think Thumbsucker was at Sundance this year. Am I wrong?? I wonder what reviews it got. Definitely a role that's too young for Elijah.

Hobmom

02-15-2005, 03:52 PM

Popping in with a bit of the 'affronted Elijah friend at LJ' story. I do still check in here everyday, y'all know. ;)

Once the fans found out about the friend's site Elijah's friend's photo site in just a few days got over 1 million hits which nearly blew out his server and he, the friend, got rather upset that fans were invading what he felt was a private site. He told us this at the seekrit-pictures community at LiveJournal.

Then some of us.... *cough* :cool: .. gently informed him that perhaps he was just a little bit naive about his friend Elijah's massive fandom and what generally happens when new pictures of Elijah surface anywhere.

In brief an avalanche of internet clogging hits on said pictures.

It was suggested that if he had wanted to keep the pictures private he had to lock them up just like we all do, even if we or our friends aren't famous, if we want to keep something private online.

The friend was not terribly pleased and closed the site with this little message posted where the site had been...

To all unsolicited viewers of this site: After my repeated pleas to cease and desist, you continued to steal my images and overload my server.

My photo gallery has been removed.

Thank you for ruining it for all of us. :rolleyes: :eek:

Oh my! The poor man just didn't realize the awesome and fearful power that is latent in millions of obsessed Elijah fans when the words 'new pictures of Elijah' are heard net-wide.

It seems that to his friends Elijah is just 'that cute little guy' that they go to movies and concerts with and they don't seem much involved in his professional life. I think Elijah likes it that way. To be just a regular guy when 'off duty'.

The 'seekrit pictures' kerfuffle seemed to wake some of them up to the fact that Elijah is just a 'little bit' famous and popular. They seemed stunned. :rolleyes: :D

Lady Wendy

02-15-2005, 04:08 PM

Hobmom, Achila and Honey,

Thank-you for telling us the real story about these mysterious pics...which I narrowly missed by one day :rolleyes: ....before they got taken down !!
I have to wonder at the sheer naivity of anyone who posts pictures of a famous actor friend on a public access Internet site, and then wonders why his server gets swamped..... :lol:

And if it's true that he liked all the attention his pics were getting, and indeed encouraging it, then he can hardly complain about people posting them elsewhere....doesn't he know how the Internet works ??? It IS, inherently, a sharing of information tool, and if he didn't like that, then he should have password-protected his pics....simple !!!
I have no sympathy whatsoever...

I mean, really !!!! :confused:

shireling

02-15-2005, 04:22 PM

Regarding the "seekrit pics" debacle - this was what the site administrator had to say:

"To whom it may concern,

As the sysadmin for Jason's site and, more importantly, his friend, I've decided I've sat on the sidelines too long on this. I certainly don't want to speak for Jason but I have some feelings of mine that I'd like to share.

The reason the photo gallery is gone has nothing to do with bandwidth (over 1 million hits in a four day period), overloading the server, or cost. It's all about privacy. I agree with you the expectation of privacy on a website is a bit of naive idea, however I also don't think you understand the breadth of how bad people are trying get to these coveted LJ/Dom pictures. I've set him up with the ability to password protect albums and believe there are A LOT that you couldn't see. However, Jason was literally in the middle of uploading the gingerbread pics when they were already being accessed before he protected the album. Heck, people have even tried to hack into the site with his username!

So, it came to how are we going to keep people out of his private albums from the point that the file is in the middle of being transferred to the server. He made the decision that the easiest thing to do is to just not have the gallery anymore. It became too much of a hassle for him (and me) to try and moderate what people can be trusted with or not.

As a person who loves to put pictures of my life on my server for everyone to look at, it makes me sad that Jason has had to resort to this drastic action. However, it seems to be the only way he can feel secure that his pictures and the pictures of his dear friends are treated with respect.

I've read most of the postings by the people here and I think you guys are very reasonable and respectful of Jason's feelings and wishes. However, there are great many more of you that are not respectful and that is why there is no more gallery. It's shame that they have ruined it for the rest of us.

I hope this sheds a little light on the issue and that it's a little bit bigger than what you think it is.

Sincerely,

Kevin

To me this seems to be full of contradictions - he says its all about privacy - so why was the gallery made public in the first place? He also says the only solution was to take it down. Why? Why not just password-protect it like most people do? And in truth, it actually is now password-protected and hasn't been taken down at all, so I don't know why he said that.

But - one million hits in four days!!!

From a purely selfish point of view I was really disappointed when the gallery was no longer available - I loved these pics (Lij making gingerbread men was particularly adorable) - but I'd never have dreamt of reposting them anywhere. And to know that there are now loads more out of reach ...

Hobmom

02-15-2005, 04:40 PM

Shireling-
To me this seems to be full of contradictions - he says its all about privacy - so why was the gallery made public in the first place? He also says the only solution was to take it down. Why? Why not just password-protect it like most people do? And in truth, it actually is now password-protected and hasn't been taken down at all, so I don't know why he said that.

I so agree. This is why I felt they were all acting very naively. I don't mean that in a nasty way because Elijah's friends all seem to be nice people who mean well. But they just are not very internet-savvy when it comes to Elijah. They only brushed the tip of the fandom ice-berg, so to speak. WE know how huge that ice-berg is, don't we? :D ;)

As for online photos. It seems most of us, even those who are only minimally involved online, know how easy it is to password protect anything. Yet his friend seemed rather clueless about the whole thing. Poor dear. I think he's learned a valuable life-lesson now.

Lady Wendy

02-15-2005, 05:07 PM

Hobmom,
Yes...you're absolutely right, I think that his friend was simply naive...about how popular pics of Dom and Elijah would be, and with regards as to just how BIG fandom is sometimes !! ( 1 million hits IS staggering though....)

As far as the pics being no longer available...well, after your post, it took me about five minutes to find the entire six albums posted online for all the world to view.... :rolleyes:

Seems this friend of Elijah's didn't take them down soon enough...

They are nothing more than ordinary snapshots taken at various parties, a barbecue, in Prague and other miscellaneous bits and pieces....nothing at all risque, revealing, or rude !!! However, they ARE still private photos, and if he regarded them as such, they should never have been posted at all...

As to them being hit on whilst in the middle of uploading, then why wasn't the whole account password-protected in the first place ?
No excuse I'm afraid... :rolleyes:

Hobmom

02-15-2005, 10:42 PM

Lady Wendy-
it took me about five minutes to find the entire six albums posted online for all the world to view

Yes..umn.. many of us saved them. :rolleyes: ;) I don't have them online anymore because I promised Jason to take them down and I did.....but I do have them. I'm thinking of putting them in a zip file for deserving Faculty members who may need them for further 'research'. Now I have to figure out how to make a zip file.....

BunnieBugs

02-15-2005, 11:38 PM

I missed most of the discussion about the private photos, which is just as well, as I have very strong feelings about them being posted publicly. I still feel a bit kicked in the gut every time I see one of them, as I (unwittingly) had a hand in their becoming public, and I still carry that regret around and probably always will. (And just for the record, I deleted them all from my hard drive shortly after the whole debacle began, because it felt so wrong to me to have something there that was never meant for me.)

A couple of bits of information might be helpful, though:

I understand that the website with the photo albums was up and running for quite awhile before they were 'discovered' by a fan (and all she had to do was follow a google link), and the site was being used by Elijah and his friends to share photos amongst themselves (though that doesn't explain the lack of password protection. They didn't want to be bothered? They thought they were 'safe' from internet surfers? I just don't get it).

Anyway, once the fans started flooding in, a number of the albums were immediately removed (or access was, anyway), in the hope that fans would not steal them and spread them around the internet (these included photos from private parties and from Elijah's own camera during his time in Prague and elsewhere). Unfortunately, the damage was already done by that point, and people who felt that anything that was posted on the internet was fair game began posting them in their journals and on websites, and Jason (the owner of the site) posted messages and sent emails trying to get people to stop. Unfortunately, some fans have some sense of entitlement to anything and everything having to do with Elijah, Dom and Billy, and pretty much saw to it that anyone who wanted the photographs got them. And now, they are slowly making their way onto public forums like this one.

I think (and I've heard) that Jason is the sort of person who wants to believe the best about people, and hoped that the fans would listen when he asked them not to take or re-post his photos. The ones that were left on the site he had no problem with people looking at, unlike the ones that were immediately taken down. I never got the sense that he 'enjoyed the notoriety', but merely that he hoped that they could continue on with the photo albums much as they had been for some time. Naive? Yes, unfortunately. And I find it sad that private photographs, which were never meant for our eyes, were not protected in the first place.

Achila

02-16-2005, 06:40 AM

I hope I didn't put my foot in my mouth with any comments I may have made about Jason. As I said, I didn't know the story that well, having pretty much stayed out of it (and I only saw some of the pictures, and actually kept very few), and my understanding of the situation came from second hand information. I blundered a couple of times and posted the pics in various places, not aware of their source, but I tried to do the right, respectful thing with them once I found out. I suppose we all got swept up in the excitement of seeing something private and "taboo", and got carried away.

Well, shall we now turn back to our regular programming? Re: Sin City:

"Sin City" (April 1)

An adaptation of a series of brutal graphic novels, this visually striking film features a strangely alluring all-star cast that includes Benicio Del Toro, Clive Owen, Bruce Willis, Jessica Alba, Elijah Wood and Mickey Rourke. Almost certain to be one of the most faithful comic-to-screen translations of all time, this picture was co-directed by the comic's creator Frank Miller, along with genre film king Robert Rodriguez ("Once Upon a Time in Mexico").

Shot almost entirely against green screen backdrops, the film tells three stories from Miller's series. The film's trailer, currently in theaters, reveals an altogether different visual style that greatly reflects the pen and ink world of graphic novels. Unsurprisingly, these tales deal with multiple aspects of the underworld, including murder, betrayal and prostitution.

Rodriguez even enlisted good friend Quentin Tarantino ("Pulp Fiction") to direct part of the film as payment for scoring last spring's "Kill Bill: Volume 2." Look for "Sin City" to be one of the breakthrough films of the spring.

And, from Box Office Prophets:

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is the winner for Best Cast of the year. A strong contender for most of the major categories at the Calvins, this production really stands out for the who's who in Hollywood list during the end credits. There is the obvious big name in Jim Carrey along with four-time Academy Award nominee Kate Winslet. Backing them up are everyone's favorite hobbit, Elijah Wood, and everyone's favorite damsel in distress, Kirsten Dunst. These four actors have all frontlined a movie that earned $250 million domestically, with Carrey, oddly enough, being the only one without a $300 million on his resume. Any time you have a group where Spider-Man and Lord of the Rings are not the most financially successful titles up for discussion, you know you are talking about box office heavyweights. This foursome would be more than enough justification for the top vote, but Eternal Sunshine also includes indie film sensations Tom Wilkinson and Mark Ruffalo plus Arrested Development comic relief David Cross. And, oh yeah, the film they create together is an instant classic that is cleaning up at awards season despite being the movie that has been out of theaters the longest. Factoring in the Hollywood blue bloods involved and the quality of their output, it's no surprise that Eternal Sunshine is a runaway winner for Best Cast.

:k Faculty!

wood

02-16-2005, 09:56 AM

Achila,Thanks for the info about sin city!! :k

And of curse eternal sunshine!!! ;)

And i keep wondering what is it about the hooligans
that makes every paper and news channel so quiet about it!!! :(

Is this movie realy for real or have i dreamt all about it!!!!??? :eek:
No trailer nothing at all!!!

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

ShadowSwallow

02-16-2005, 11:53 AM

[/lurk]

I was just thinkin how ironic it is that Elijah and Tolkien both had (and are having) problems with privacy. :rolleyes:

In Tolkiens instance when he was awarded the Order of the British Empire he had it stolen THAT NIGHT from his hotel room. :eek: (it was returned later)

And now here Lij is having problems with pictures being stolen from him (in the loosest sense of the word) ;)

SS

[lurk]

BunnieBugs

02-16-2005, 12:02 PM

For interested parties, there is now an official Sin City website here (http://www.sincitythemovie.com) (I think it's okay to link to it). You won't find anything about Elijah or his character there, but that is because his role is best kept as secret as possible in order for it to be all the more shocking when it is revealed in the film. :cool:

zkgrumpy

02-16-2005, 12:20 PM

ETA:
But - one million hits in four days!!!/QUOTE]

Shades of HampsterDance! ;)

[QUOTE=Hobmom] I'm thinking of putting them in a zip file for deserving Faculty members who may need them for further 'research'.

I'd love to see them but I think I have to stick to public and posed pictures. The whole thing had to be a bit of a shock to the person who put the pictures up. And personally, I don't blame him. Naive, yes, but I would expect that when he asked people to not post the pictures, that they would comply with his request if only out of respect for The One Lad. Just because the technology is there doesn't mean that something should be done.

I think it's an indication of how "normal" and unassuming Elijah is with people, that his (presumably) close friends didn't realize just how massive the public interest is in Elijah. In an odd way it increases my respect for The Lad. Whattaguy!

~grumpy

ceefour

02-16-2005, 01:11 PM

The UPS truck just drove away,
And C4 is starting to sway,
and dancing 'cause she thinks it's cool,
that the truck left "Chain of Fool(s)!"

:haha:

"Lost" @ 8; CoF @ 9! Life is good!

C-I may be shaped like
Aretha, but I sure don't sound like her-4

ETA-Welcome, ShadowSwallow!

Shelbyshire

02-16-2005, 01:28 PM

ceefour,

I have not found that quote yet...I'm still looking.

However, I expect when I get home I should have that familiar dvd shaped box from Amazon in my mail box or by my door. :z: The kids have probably already guessed it's an Elijah movie! And there thoughts are :rolleyes: So if I don't find the quote soon, it may just have to wait. I'm sure you understand... :D

Can't wait to see it for the first time! ;)

Mechtild

02-16-2005, 03:31 PM

ShadowSwallow!

[/lurk]
I was just thinkin how ironic it is that Elijah and Tolkien both had (and are having) problems with privacy (...)

SS
[lurk]

You de-lurked! -- and I was here to witness it! Hey, I lurk here, too. Now we are fellow Faculty-lurkers! :k

-- Mechtild

Alyon

02-16-2005, 04:32 PM

Answering my own question:
I think Thumbsucker was at Sundance this year. Am I wrong?? I wonder what reviews it got. Definitely a role that's too young for Elijah.
I think this was from Newsday online:

"More commonplace in its resolutely offbeat fashion is "Thumbsucker," Mike Mills' uneven adaptation of Walter Kirn's novel about a socially challenged kid with attention deficit disorder who finds empowerment in speed tablets. A willowy Lou Taylor Pucci inhabits the role of Justin Cobb, originally targeted for Elijah Wood, who outgrew the character during the protracted period of arranging financing.
First-timer Mills gets much of Kirn's loopy humor, but there is a flaccid energy about the film that induces a kind of sympathy ADD in the viewer. Among the swift ensemble (which includes Vincent D'Onofrio, Benjamin Bratt and Vince Vaughn), most appealing are a heartfelt Tilda Swinton as Justin's alert mother and Keanu Reeves as his psychobabbling orthodontist. Nailing every laugh line with quirky assurance, Reeves reminds us what a gas he could be in the good old days of Bill and Ted, before he Matrixed himself into a stupor."

I looked at the seecrit pictures, though I felt a little creepy doing it :o --but I had read there was nothing embarrassing. Still, I don't think they should have been posted since they weren't meant for the public, and therefore I probably shouldn't have looked...but I did. And I still feel a little creepy.

But regarding the self-portraits. I do think it makes sense that if he were sending pictures to friends he would take pictures of himself--but beyond that, they are all pretty artistic, and the other photos in this Prague group are, as well. I think he was experimenting with photography--and I think he experimented quite well. They are quite nice.

Welcome, ShadowSwallow!!

Flourish

02-16-2005, 04:57 PM

From TORn--

Elijah Wood's TRL Award Nom

2/16/05, 12:06 pm EST - Xoanon

Sassy writes: Elijah Wood has been nominated for MTV's Total Request Live 2005 Awards for "Quit Your Day Job (Best Guest Host)". The show airs February 21st 5-6:30pm Eastern time on, of course,

There's a link at the TORn home page where you can cast a vote for him.

wood

02-16-2005, 11:17 PM

godmorning to you all!!!

here is very cold and snowy!!!!

don`t want to go out but i have to go to work soon!!!

thanks for the info,Flourish!!!! :k :k
it`s warming my heart!!!!!

welcome shadowswallow!!!!!!!!

love you all/wood

Eandme

02-17-2005, 05:53 AM

I'd like to point you all to this wonderful account from ORC in Pasadena.

If you signed the hobbitstohumans list for the lads at ORC this will make you extra happy. ;)

http://hobbitstohumans.com/orc/elijahmoment.htm

Achila

02-17-2005, 06:50 AM

Hopefully the movie is WAY better than this trailer but I'm so excited I can't breathe!

http://server1.sxsw.com/sxsw2/hooligans.mov

From here: http://2005.sxsw.com/film/screenings/film/2278.html

And to tell the truth, I can't take credit for the find -- Ms. A found it.

Random

02-17-2005, 07:34 AM

Curses! I cant play it at work!

Wherever did you find that, Achila?

You star!

zkgrumpy

02-17-2005, 10:01 AM

Hopefully the movie is WAY better than this trailer but I'm so excited I can't breathe!

Harrrumph. Dougie wasn't kidding. BAM! POW! I am shocked, shocked, I tell you! 'Lijah Oh 'Lijah, what are you *doing*? I cannot imagine a movie and culture in which I would have less interest. :rolleyes:

That being said, when is it coming out here in the Yewess?
:o :o :p

~grumpy(hypocritical, who me?)(I can always wear a paper bag over my head when I go to the theater)(Or I could just wait till it's out on DVD.)(If it doesn't go straight there)(Hey, did anyone notice the Cirith Ungol orc sideways kick?)(Harrrrrumph.)(Violins on TV)

Flourish

02-17-2005, 10:15 AM

I'm glad I watched the trailer before I ate my lunch. :rolleyes:

I don't know how to assess the possible quality of the film from that fairly limited glimpse. I'm sure it's pitched at the main demographic for the movie and that's what they want to see.

Since my closest friends and the rest of my family are all avidly interested in and closely follow what the rest of the world calls football, and the English teams in particular, I imagine I will be going to see this, one way or another. I hope Mr. Wood and everyone else in it gets to act as well as punch people. :eek:

(How do people NOT get hurt filming scenes like that?! :confused: )

wood

02-17-2005, 10:33 AM

First i want to thank Achila for posting the link!! :k
Random is so very right you are a STAR!!!!!! :k :k :k

But with big risk for getting my two feet kicked a way from me!!
I must admit that i think this movie is going to be good!!!!!!
Not that i love watching Elijah full of blood :(
but that i think its going to be a good movie for people to see
that he is not a whimp!! :confused:

But also becuse i realy like action movies maybe it is a very dark side of me!!!!!! :eek:
I don`t like when people are fighting in real life but i kind of like it in movies
don`t ask me why but the scarier and violent movies are the better!!
Can`t realy explain why becuse i realy can ashore you all i am not a violent type my self!!! I hate even to agureing!!!!

okey i rumbel again!!!

i defiinet is going to see this movie!!! i know Elijah will be good in this one too!!!!Bloddy or not he will not be bloddy the hole movie´!!
cover your eyes ladies!! ;)
And just watch his beautiful face in the part when he is not bloddy!!

When i think about it maybe i will too his wonderful face all bloody and mest up!!!
better stop here becuse now i lost it all over again!!! please let me know if you not follow what i am trying to say!!! :z: :z:
becuse i don`t want to step on anybodyes toes!!

love you all/wood

EDIT:DO I DEAR COME BACK?????

hope you not thinking i am crasy!!! just telling what i think!!!

honeyelf

02-17-2005, 11:56 AM

Flourish said: How do people NOT get hurt filming scenes like that?! :confused:
Apparently they do. This was taken last year by a fan who met him while he was filiming Hooligans. Guess is explains the scar in his eyebrow that I saw at ORC.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/hazzard.jpg

EandMe, thanks for posting the link to that really cute ORC report! I've always wondered why people say Elijah smells so nice with that smoking habit. (I can't smell myself.) I hope she gets to ask him.

Achila, thanks for bringing the "Hooligans" trailer. I just saw "Million Dollar Baby" the other night, and all the blood and crunching cartillage had me hiding behind my husband's shoulder alot. I don't know about his movie.

Wood, I think your right; people will at least see that he's not Frodo! And I know what you like by saying you like violent movies (though I can't say I empathize.) I have a friend who likes violent movies, and she's very lady-like so that's quite a surprise. She says the best part is going home, and going to bed and listening to all the quiet, and hearing an occassional siren and knowing that we are relatively safe.

honey!
mydriver'slicensemakesmelooklikeathelma-and-louisetype"desperada"

Flourish

02-17-2005, 12:14 PM

mydriver'slicensemakesmelooklikeathelma-and-louisetype"desperada"

Honey! :lol: Nothing could be further from the real you!

That picture, ouch! He doesn't look very happy, like it hurts to smile. That's not makeup? :eek:

wood, don't worry. You know we don't all like the same movies or the same things about movies, and we aren't bothered by it at all. :k

Narya Celebrian

02-17-2005, 12:15 PM

Wood, I agree with you about really looking forward to Hooligans . I have a very mixed taste in movies - depending on my mood, I may want to watch a sensitive drama or a sweet romance, but I'm just as likely to want to watch things blow up or be creepy or weird. I also have no interest in RL violence - nothing turns me off and disturbs me more. But I know movie violence is different (not real), so I'm more than willing to watch a movie that combines a good story with some well thrown punches. :D (Add Elijah Wood throwing the punches, and I'm automatically there. :D :D )

wood

02-17-2005, 12:32 PM

oh ,ladies i am so relife!!!!

hmmm.i thought maybe i scared you all away with all my talk about dark side
and liking violent movies!!!!!!!!!!!

as you was saying Flourish,we all are diffrent and like diffrent things!!!
and that is one of the resons this place is like heaven you can talk about diffrent things and diffrent opinions without beeing snapt at!!!!

we realy are a groupe of diffrent people with one big thing incomen
ELIJAH WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND I LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

serena

02-17-2005, 12:52 PM

Achila, you genius !!! :k

Point taken, Grumps, but it may yet have an acceptable moral. There seems to be a whole ethos/subculture to the hooligan scene - including some highly intelligent and creative members and commentators - of which I'm totally ignorant, so I'm prepared to give this movie the benefit of the doubt. Am very curious.

Furthermore, far be it from me to squee ;), but Elijah looks hot in this one! :) I wouldn't be at all surprised if his decision to do this movie was at least in part a reaction to Frodo's passivity (pacifism?): in at least one interview EW talked about how "Frodo doesn't fight" even though he (Elijah) went through all the fight training and the documentary suggests he was pretty good at it. My guess is that, as the only hobbit - actually, more or less the only main LOTR character - who didn't get to kick butt (as they say), Elijah felt a bit frustrated with that aspect of Frodo as the months and years went by. Gentle as he is, I suspect he'd have loved to have a real go at some orcs. Just guessing.

Watched the "Ridiculous Thoughts" video for the first time last night! Achila, you're so right - he was ridiculously beautiful at 14. Not to mention achingly expressive. I'd love to know how he came to do that video - did they approach him, or vice versa?

wood

02-17-2005, 01:11 PM

serena!!

i guess we have something realy hot to look
forward too!!!!!! :p :D

love/wood

Achila

02-17-2005, 01:13 PM

Achila, you genius !!! :k
Oh no, serena -- as much as I love the kisses, I'm no genius -- as I said, I wasn't the one who originally found it, just posted it here.

whiteling

02-17-2005, 01:40 PM

Thanks Achila for posting the Hooligans trailer! (You still deserve a kiss :) :k)

Oh-oh, that was exactly what I expected - a gaggle of testosterone-driven fellows, beating each other their brains out. Yes, it is shocking, but it is also very true. Hooligans could play in the same league of films like American History X, which I watched mainly because of Edward Norton (and he was brilliant). This is also a film with several violent scenes, some of them very difficult to watch (hence I will possibly never watch it again), but I felt a certain truth in it and I'm glad I watched it. I really hope, Hooligans is another believable attempt of showing parts of reality I never hope to meet in my RL.
Wood and Serena - I need your shoulders to hide behind :eek: :p !!

wood

02-17-2005, 01:46 PM

whiteling!!! :k :k

i will be there for you!!!

just say a date!!!!! :k :k

quick!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

love you /wood

whiteling

02-17-2005, 01:52 PM

Thanks, Wood, I'll come back to your nice offer when the film finally has hit the cinemas. :) somewhere, sometime...

Oops, bad bad manners - I forgot to welcome ShadowSwallow! :)

And hey, Grumpy - congratulations on 300 posts! :k

Shelbyshire

02-17-2005, 02:00 PM

:( No matter which computer I go to on campus, I cannot get the trailer to play. I'm forced to wait till I get home. And then, :rolleyes: , it will take forever on my dial-up connection. Maybe I'll have to sneak over to my brother's house in disguise and use their computer, :cool: .

I saw Chain of Fools last night and I enjoyed it. It was so refreshing to see The One Lad in a movie I had not seen before. I think he did very well with the part. This was filmed before Frodo, correct? And was that a penciled on moustache? Too cute!! The hospital chase scene, excellent. The bathroom scene was quite memorable. Imagine finding someone in your bathroom when you only have one thing on your mind and then getting delayed. Never saw Cats but I would go with him. :D I will definitely watch it again soon in the name of research. There was too much to catch in one viewing. Definitely not a movie for the children though. I was pleased to see the actor, ?, who played the doctor in ESOTSM in this movie also and especially the interaction between him and Elijah. I laughed in quite a few parts and was surprised, shocked in others. I just adored the main character's nephew. The ultimate nightmare of a child! Did you like it, ceefour? I believe we may have been watching it at the same time, if we're in the same time zone that is.

Back to RL for awhile...

Hobmom

02-17-2005, 02:13 PM

That's a LOT of punching, brawling, and fighting. :eek:

That's what we saw in all the photos taken during the filming. I DO hope there is some dialogue. :eek:

But it will be good to see Elijah playing a non-wimp. Not that he ever really played a wimp but that others will get to see him play something totally opposite of Frodo.

So when do the rest of us get to see it?

wood

02-17-2005, 02:18 PM

Well Hobmom,that is a questien i asking
myself about!!!!!
here in sweden there is nothing about hooligans
but i found out that "sin city" probebley will have
premier 6 july!!!!and that is another movie i realy
looking forward to!!

love you/wood

ceefour

02-17-2005, 04:42 PM

Good evening to The Faculty!

Thank you, Achila, for the Holligans trailer link.

Thanks, Eandme, for the ORC story link. (I've been thinking, C4 opens up The Faculty Lounge windows to air the smoke out of the room, that with the Prague press conference pictures last year, the sekreet pictures snafu this year, and some fans grabbing him at ORC, EW may just decide that the negatives outweigh the positives and move to Antartica.)

Yes, Shelbyshire, I did watch CoF, but not until this morning, after Young Master and Miss ceefour were safely off to school. Very, very good. You are right, the hospital room and bathroom scenes are well done. ( I hope the reason tg hasn't been around much is that she is busy screen capping and writing additional analysis.) The movie was akin to "Grosse Pointe Blank," which starred John Cusack (little, tiny swoon for John Cusack, especially holding up the boom box playing "In Your Eyes" by Peter Gabriel in "Say Anything.) As tg noted on her site, I did find myself laughing at some awful things! Noted a variation of The Turn. He does do that well, doesn't he? His karate moves in his interview as a child could be a foreshadowing of the karate kick to the Senator. Another viewing may be required (for research, of course ;) ).

C4

Ereshkigal

02-17-2005, 05:13 PM

Wood--don't worry, a lot of us like violent movies. My very favorite movie is Fight Club, followed by The Godfather and Apocalypse Now. I also love the first third of Full Metal Jacket, but mainly for the impressive vocabulary of the drill sargeant. Man, what a mouth on that guy!

Whiteling, I also liked American History X, especially the look on Edward Norton's face when he commits that brutal murder. Very chilling.

Having said all this, I don't think we're exactly the demographic for Hooligans, at least not the demographic the trailer is aiming for. It will be nice to see Wood be tough (I hope). Is that him jumping on that guy against the truck? Maybe that is a preview of Kevin's fighting style.

Hobmom

02-17-2005, 05:32 PM

I made caps from that Hooligans clip.
So if you are having trouble viewing it you can get an idea of how it looks.

http://ewnow.photosite.com/Hooligans/

wood

02-17-2005, 11:09 PM

Good morning ladies!!!! :k :k

here is so so cold,below 15 degres celsius,don`t know
how much it is in fahrenheit!! :rolleyes:

But i was warmed up by watching Hobmoms caps!!!
Thank you so much!!! :k :k

Glade to here that there is others in here that like violent movies!!!

Showed my hubby the trailer and for all of you who have read my posts about him know what he feels about Elijah!! :(
And HE THOUGHT THE MOVIE COULDE BE GOOD AND ARE GOING TO SEE IT
WITH ME WHEN IT HITS THE CINEMAS!!!!!!!!!!
but i guess it is becuse it is about football and there obvisly is going to be a lot of fighting!!! but he is going to see it desipt the fact that Elijah playing
the mainroll!!!!

Hoping i can hide my mmmhhhhh when Elijah comes in thr frame!!!!
He looked so hot!!!! :p :D :lol:

Love you all/wood

zkgrumpy

02-17-2005, 11:11 PM

Thanks to Hobmom and A. for the research material! Although ::: sniffle :::, I had to note from those pictures that never again will The One Lad play a character who looks like an enraged gerbil when provoked. Oh, my, he's all grown up.

I was kindasorta watching West Wing on Bravo tonight and there was a commercial for the Independent Spirit Awards next weekend, I think. They mentioned a string of people, and in that string was "ELIJAH WOOD, and more!" with a very, very brief picture of him goofing for the camera. I did not get a good look at it. Darn. I wish I'd recorded it.

So The One Lad is showing up again! I guess it's getting close to movies being released so I suspect we'll start seeing him in public. If Hooligans makes a splash that's felt over here, especially if it's controversial, we may see him even more on various talk shows! We can hope!

~grumpy

Random

02-18-2005, 05:48 AM

(Cough) Well, theyve certainly decided to target a particular audience with that one, havent they! :rolleyes: (To be fair, that doesnt look like a proper trailer, per se, more a bunch of stuff they put together for the film festival.) Its kind of funny in its mad macho blood-and-pumping-music combo.

I dont mind violent films either (though I prefer them kind of stylised, like Kill Bill) so this will be a definite for me (unless the reviews are very bad). I seem to recall I forget where Dougie saying that Hooligans would be different from The Football Factory, because the latter was really all about glorifying football violence. (Is that right?) Ive read some reviews of the latter, and theyve all said that its pretty amoral.

'Lijah Oh 'Lijah, what are you *doing*?

Hee hee! Oh Lijah, oh Lijah, oh what have you done! Youre fist-fighting cockneys it dont look like fun!

Anyway, I was thinking last night and considering that pretty much all of his films have a strong pacifist bent even when theyre a bit violent. Its clear that those are the kind of films EW is attracted to. So I imagine that after Hooligans hell go back to more palatable stuff. Think of it this way the more violent Hooligans is, the more likely hell be able to don his Caravaggio shirts and flounce around in a big er - piazza. :D :D

Rikka

02-18-2005, 09:53 AM

Hi, dear ladies! I just came back from my business trip to Barselona... And - what a pleasent surprise - got at KD such interesting info about Hooligans! Achila, thank you very much for posting the link to that trailer!

Oh, for sure it's very agressive and violent. But, well, the subculture of football fans is exaclty like this (both in Europe and in my country, too - we also have this problem of violent football fans, alas! :(). And if you want to tell the story about this side of life, you have to show their violence, otherwise, this will not be the truth. I understand why whiteling mentioned that American History X movie, - it's also about real life problem - a very dark one, full of violence. It's very difficult to watch that movie, but I liked that I watch it, too!

And, speaking about Hooligans - at least in this short trailer it doesn't seem that the director of Hooligans wants to show their behaviour as something "heroic", to "glamour-ize" this subculture. The scenes of fighting look very rude, disgusting and cruel, there is no any attractiviness in them.

zkgrumpy

02-18-2005, 11:32 AM

And if you want to tell the story about this side of life, you have to show their violence, otherwise, this will not be the truth.

You're right, of course. Showing the cost of the violence doesn't ring true without a depiction of the violence. It's like Frodo's scream when he was stabbed on Weathertop - I think a lot of people saw that as wimpy, but that's really what happens when people get hurt - they don't joke, or fall gracefully to the ground in a swoon, or keep quiet. They scream. Frodo's reaction, followed by shock, was as realistic a reaction as I'd care to see.

I understand why whiteling mentioned that American History X movie, - it's also about real life problem - a very dark one, full of violence. It's very difficult to watch that movie, but I liked that I watch it, too!

I didn't realize that movie had made it over on that side of the puddle! I watched it, too, and though I wouldn't care to watch it again, it was a good movie. I thought the most interesting thing about it was how the main character's perspective changed. He was so embroiled in a very narrow viewpoint - couldn't see outside of it. It's almost like self-hypnosis or brain-washing. I always wonder how (and if) people can break out of a set of beliefs like that. Seeing the character grow away from those beliefs into a realization of what he had done was for me the most interesting part of the movie.

And, speaking about Hooligans - at least in this short trailer it doesn't seem that the director of Hooligans wants to show their behaviour as something "heroic", to "glamour-ize" this subculture. The scenes of fighting look very rude, disgusting and cruel, there is no any attractiviness in them.

I thought the trailer was almost like a caricature. It was a string of fighting scenes that exactly matched the title. I do hope that there's a little dialog, though. But I suspect that, being The One Lad, there will be.

It's interesting what a contrast it is with other roles like Frodo - it's a role where he must express emotion physically, not just through his big, beautiful, bottomless, sapphire-like, blue - er - um - his eyes. :p :p :p

Hey! THere's a blurb about Elijah and the Independent SPirit awards over on TORN! :)

~grumpy

Ereshkigal

02-18-2005, 12:04 PM

Has anybody linked Sin City's official site yet? Not much on Kevin, whom I suspect they are deliberately keeping hidden, considering his role in the graphic novel (I've read parts of it). Might want to bookmark this for the future, though--it looks like much of it is still under construction.

http://www.sincitythemovie.com/#

Achila

02-18-2005, 12:49 PM

Here's some food for thought -- an interview with the director of Hooligans. If you find yourself not liking this woman...well...you're not alone (and btw, I wasn't sure if the link was good so I copied the whole thing directly -- thanks to undone27 for the heads up on this one):

______________________________________

SXSW '05 Interview: 'Hooligans' Director Lexi Alexander
by Scott Weinberg

The 'HOOLIGANS' Pitch: An expelled Harvard student moves to London and finds himself embraced and disturbed by the dominant violence of English soccer culture.

"A story about honor, loyalty and true friendship."

Will this be your first time at SXSW? Any other film festival experience?
This is my first time at SXSW. I was at Sundance a few times, but never with a film. My experience at Sundance was that I never felt like I was around my peers. It didn't feel very independent to me. I guess when J.Lo and Ben Affleck are the center of attention at a festival, every filmmaker with integrity feels out of place.

When you were 14 years old, if someone asked you what you wanted to be when you grew up, what would your answer have been?
The female version of Jean-Claude van Damme.

How did you get started in filmmaking?
I moved to the US at age 19, shortly after becoming the World Middle Weight Karate Champion. I had been a child actor in Germany, so I had a lot of encouragement to move to Hollywood to combine my Martial Arts with my acting experience. Chuck Norris sponsored my green card and also recommended me to a drama school. I fell in love with directing when we had an odd number of people in class and I was assigned to direct a scene. My astrological sign, Leo, emerged during that process and I never once had the desire to do anything but write and direct, after all, it is the last existing dictatorship.

How have things changed for you since your film was accepted into the festival?
I get a lot of calls from people who need a room to crash in while in Austin.

When you were shooting the film, did you have SXSW (or film festivals in general) in mind?
We always wanted to do the festival circuit with this film. I think the entire Hooligan team is excited to have our premiere at SXSW. It is a festival with a great reputation and a lot of great attending critics. I say: Bring it on!

How did you get your film started? How did you go from script to finished product?
Wow, that's a long story. First I had the idea, then I brought on a couple of writers. Then we shopped the screenplay around. Ended up at OddLot Entertainment, a great company that is run by women, developed the script with the producers, cast it, went to London and shot it. That's obviously the short version, the one without all the drama.

ts the one glaring lesson you learned while making this film?
Stand your ground, trust your gut, and as my mother always said: Don't let people tell you that they're right because they've done it for over twenty years. You can do something wrong for twenty years.

While you were in pre-production, did you find yourself watching other great movies in preparation?
Yes, oh my God. I watched tons of movies. I owe a lot to the great filmmakers who have shown us the way.

If a studio said we love this, we love you, you can remake anything in our back catalogue for $40m what film, if any, would you want to remake?
Wow, that's tough. I don't think a lot of films should be remade, because if they were great, then why not leave them alone? Maybe something that could be improved by today's technology, like Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds?

Two parter name an actor you'd KILL to work with, and then name an actor in your own film that you really think is destined for great things.
I would kill to work with Javier Bardem. He is insane good. A true actor's actor. The one actor in my film that is destined for greatness is LEO GREGORY. Mark my words he will be the next Sean Penn and I'm not the only director who says that. He is a dream to work with and talented beyond belief. Check him out in the upcoming Brit film, Brian Jones, in the title role.

The festival circuit: what could be improved? What's been your favorite part of the ride?
I haven't had enough experience about the festival circuit to complain about it, but check in with me after the festival. :-)

Have you made it yet? If not, at what point will you be able to say yes?
No, I haven't made it yet. I will have it made when I can tell a studio that I want to cast who is best for the part and not who has the most box-office draw.

A film is made by many people, including the director (of course), but you'll often see movies that open with a credit that says a film by Did you use that credit in your film? If so, defend yourself! If not, what do you think of those who do?
Okay, I'm f*d here, because I have the 'a film by' title. I agree the film was made by a lot of people and it turned out great because of the contribution of all those talented people. If I take on a project that wasn't my idea and I had nothing to do with getting it off the ground, I won't take the "film by" title, but with Hooligans, it really was my baby, so in this case, the title is deserved, much like Titanic was a film by James Cameron, but I promise I don't think I'm the "Queen of the World".

--

Hooligans, starring Elijah Wood, Charlie Hunnam, Claire Forlani & Marc Warren, will premiere at the 2005 South By Southwest Film Festival. Click here for more information, and be sure to keep an eye out for Hooligans when it hits your neighborhood!

honeyelf

02-18-2005, 01:01 PM

Thanks for posting that interview, Achila.
"A story about honor, loyalty and true friendship."

Well, at least that sounds more promising than the trailer looked. And it sounds right up Elijah's alley too.

Ms. Alexander is entitled to her opinion about who's to be the next big thing. But I could have done without:
No, I haven't made it yet. I will have it made when I can tell a studio that I want to cast who is best for the part and not who has the most box-office draw.
Was that a back-handed swat at Elijah? She's seems to have one specific person in mind, doesn't she. She starts out talking "cast" in that sentence, and finishes by implying that she has a specific casting choice in mind.

Also, wasn't this Dougie Brimson's script? Didn't he start the ball rolling? I seem to remember way back when that he mentioned looking for a director, and she wasn't first choice, but I might be very wrong about that. At least Mr. Brimson seemed to think Elijah was perfect for the role!

hopefully,
honey!

Ereshkigal

02-18-2005, 02:02 PM

Yep, Achila, I hate her already. I'm losing even more faith in the film.

Oh, and Honeyelf, who else could she mean? Poor boy, having to work with that peacock. She sounds like a piece of work. It's eerily coincidental, wouldn't you say, that she thinks she is not like James Cameron? If you erased the name and just kept the attitude, I'd think that was an interview with him.

wood

02-18-2005, 02:18 PM

hallo ladies!!!

if it was Elijah she was meaning,´then i think it is the first time
i heard about a director who dosen`t liked him!!! :confused: :confused:

love you all/wood

honeyelf

02-18-2005, 02:29 PM

Oh, and Honeyelf, who else could she mean?
Yeah. :mad:

Well, we all just have to remind ourselves that a string of box-office bombs has hardly hurt Johnny Depp's career. I don't think there will be any shortage of directors with eyes to see Elijah's brilliance. He'll have this day, he will.

honey!

Hobmom

02-18-2005, 02:33 PM

I don't care for how Lexi sounds in that interview either. I hope it was just poorly edited by the SXSW people, like that cobbled together 'trailer'.

In all the pictures of Elijah and Lexi on the set they seemed on the best of terms and while there were reports of trouble with some of the other people on the film everyone said that Elijah was wonderful and the real peacemaker among them.

Yet she doesn't even mention Elijah OR Dougie Brimson! And she touts an unknown actor(to me anyway) as the one actor in the film 'destined for greatness'. Humph! :eek:

All in all she sounds like some one who is just to much in love with herself right now. But time will tell how good a director she is. Some directors had terrible personalities and were most unkind to their actors but made great films. Alfred Hitchcock(whom she seems to like) comes to mind as one who always put down the actors he worked with. I think he once said something cruel about Grace Kelley(have to look that up to be sure), who was wonderful.

Obviously not all directors are teddy bears to work with like PJ. :rolleyes:

Mechtild

02-18-2005, 02:34 PM

honeyelf, Achila, wood, Ereshkigal, Yep, I agree: she was dealing Our Lad a low blow, there.

My eyes first widened when I read this:

[Name] an actor you'd KILL to work with, and then name an actor in your own film that you really think is destined for great things.

I would kill to work with Javier Bardem. He is insane good. A true actor's actor. The one actor in my film that is destined for greatness is LEO GREGORY. Mark my words he will be the next Sean Penn and I'm not the only director who says that. He is a dream to work with and talented beyond belief. Check him out in the upcoming Brit film, Brian Jones, in the title role.
"Leo Gregory...? Who's that? He's in the cast? *checks list at bottom of article -- nope, there's no Leo Gregory listed...* Who did he play....? Was he in Hooligans...?"

(...)

But here's where I really said, G-r-r-r-r-r-r!

Have you made it yet? If not, at what point will you be able to say yes?

No, I haven't made it yet. I will have it made when I can tell a studio that I want to cast who is best for the part and not who has the most box-office draw.
Why, that no-good, posturing, low-down *$#%!!! :mad:

(Where's John Cleese when I need him to roll out the epithets?) Hey, if she weren't a kickboxing champion, why, I'd....*rolls up sleeves to reveal her arms that only have flailed a keyboard*

http://www.filmmagasinet.no/nyheter/nyhetsbilder/{9F74E54F-8638-47AD-BB75-1647426CECDF}.jpg

Just look at that! It makes me want to fume, seeing him wasting all that close bodily contact on the likes of HER, the ungrateful wretch! The jade! The hussy!

Hrrrmph!

-- Mechtild

ceefour

02-18-2005, 02:45 PM

It's interesting that Lexi Alexander mentioned Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck specifically, because in this linked article, she implied that being at the Oscars with them meant she'd "arrived".

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/academy_awards/99603

C4

edited for grammar

honeyelf

02-18-2005, 02:57 PM

Just look at that! It makes me want to fume, seeing him wasting all that close bodily contact on the likes of HER, the ungrateful wretch! The jade! The hussy!
Mech, I think that's Claire Furlani who play's Lij's sister. I think they are in character, but it wouldn't be unlike Lij to be affectionate with a castmate either!

BunnieBugs

02-18-2005, 03:09 PM

Mech, I think that's Claire Furlani who play's Lij's sister. I think they are in character, but it wouldn't be unlike Lij to be affectionate with a castmate either!No, that's not Claire. You can see stills of her here, (http://imdb.com/name/nm0001231/photogallery-ss-0) and it's not the same woman. I was under the impression when that photo came out that that was, indeed, Lexi.

I don't get the immediate dislike of her that some of you seem to. It's always hard to tell in interviews like this how much was left out and what the person was really like. It also seems to be an 'emailed' interview, where they supply the questions and she types in the answers. How else would you explain the emoticon after her answer about the festival circuit? And sometimes that sort of interview comes off much more stilted and abbreviated than a face-to-face interview (trying to think positive thoughts, here ;) ).

The quip about getting to make her own casting choices does rankle a bit, though. I've tried to convince myself that she might have been talking about Charlie Hunnam (I've heard some say that the can't act), but that doesn't seem as likely. :(

Anyway. I agree that the director's personality doesn't necessarily make for a good or bad film, so we'll just have to wait, cross our fingers, and see.

honeyelf

02-18-2005, 03:21 PM

No, that's not Claire. You can see stills of her here, and it's not the same woman. I was under the impression when that photo came out that that was, indeed, Lexi.

:o Yup! You're right, Bunnie! Here's Lexi:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/LexiDash1.jpg

It's interesting that Lexi Alexander mentions Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck specifically, because in this linked article, she implies that being at the Oscars with them mean she's "arrived".

honey!

Hobmom

02-18-2005, 03:24 PM

Yeah that is Lexi.
She and Elijah seemed friendly on the set.

http://elijahwoodnow.com/images/Morenew/the-yank-behind-105.jpg

http://elijahwoodnow.com/images/Morenew/the-yank-behind-106.jpg

So what is her problem now? Is she just a difficult director? I just don't get how can she can sound so unappreciative of Elijah and his talent and kindness. :confused:

Achila

02-18-2005, 03:25 PM

Re: Charlie Hunnam. I thought he was quite good in Nicholas Nickelby. And those of us who had seen him in the British verison of Queer As Folk also said he was very good.

The above are not Lexi with Lij tho (except for the first one posted by Mechtild -- that definitely is).

gia21

02-18-2005, 03:26 PM

Does anyone remember this little tidbit?

Ted Casablanca...
ToilBits

Elijah who? That's what the latest gossip from Brit soccer movie The Yank--which finished filming in the U.K.--might lead one to say (the flick will probably be renamed Hooligans, by the by). Hobbit Wood's experience on the strife-filled set has been challenging, as Mr. W. has often seen to it to help various factions see eye to chin. Near crippling is the latest word from Yank. The film's director, German-born Lexi Alexander, is reported to be babbling that she'd like to prepare a sympathetic film about WWII's Nazi youth movement. All righty, then, but didn't Cabaret already take care of that?

Charlie Hunnam, of Cold Mountain and Queer as Folk fame, certainly won't be first in line to see Alexander's Aryan Nation nod, should it get made. Yank's set vets insist L.A. tears into C.H. (and into his trailer as well), blasting with bitchery. Meanwhile, our darlin' Elijah played deejay at the wrap pah-tay, just so he wouldn't have to deal with any more of the movie's Sturm und Drang.

BunnieBugs

02-18-2005, 03:28 PM

Yeah that is Lexi.
She and Elijah seemed friendly on the set.

http://elijahwoodnow.com/images/Morenew/the-yank-behind-105.jpg

So what is her problem now? Is she just a difficult director? I just don't get how can she can sound so unappreciative of Elijah and his talent and kindness. :confused:

Er... I'm afraid that one is NOT Lexi. But this one is:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/448065B.jpg

:)

zkgrumpy

02-18-2005, 03:42 PM

Sadly, who could she have meant besides Elijah?
Charlie Hunnam? Some local football legends? Let's not judge too harshly. She didn't mention The One Lad. I can't imagine him not giving 110% (if the trailer is any indication he did) and he certainly seems to know how to deal with directors, seeing as he always seems to capture their hearts.

As far as arrogance etc. is concerned, I think that "humble" and "director" are mutually exclusive terms. And every director has his own style. I remember an article about Troy, where Orlando was apparently trying to figure out what the director wanted. Not everyone has as clear an idea in his mind as PJ. Of course, PJ had the Sword of Damocles hanging over his head in the form of a 1200 page book. ;)

~grumpy (and if she is talking about him, phooey)(I bet he did a good job anyway)

Hobmom

02-18-2005, 03:46 PM

Are you sure those aren't of Lexi? I'm sure somewhere she was identified as being her. And she's wearing those baggy stuffed-with -everything- Lexi-the-director jeans. Similar things attached to her belt, etc. :confused:

It looks like Lexi. Anyone have any clear identification of who it is in all these shots?

If we're going to dislike her we should be disliking the right person. ;)

honeyelf

02-18-2005, 04:01 PM

I don't need no stinkin' visuals to be dislikin' her! ;) ;) :p

Alyon

02-18-2005, 04:11 PM

Okay...my first reaction to the Lexi interview was real indignation and dismay. In light of previous reports of problems on the set, and the response to the trailer (which I haven't seen yet as it will take forever for me to download) I thought maybe this woman is nervous about the results of the film and trying to put the blame on others. She has more on the line as a new director than do the actors. But then...

Bunnie said:

always hard to tell in interviews like this how much was left out and what the person was really like.

Oh, yeah. This is really true. Thanks for the reminder, Bunnie!! I've listened in while others were being interviewed and then later saw a totally different printed version than what I heard in person. Reporters aren't always tape recording...they are taking notes (at least that is what I saw) and then piecing the thoughts together --sometimes pretty close to what the person actually said--but sometimes an entirely new meaning can come of it. I have discussed this with people far more used to the process than I--and they said "Par for the course. Don't let it bother you." I've seen it happen for political events reported on the local news, and I've seen it with actors interviewed. It really bothers me because I like to think ---yeah, this really came out of this person's mouth. I saw it in print, I can quote them. But it is not always so--even in good publications. I find accuracy important to reach for--even when I took notes for ORC, if I didn't have the exact wording right, I felt I had to make note that I was paraphrasing. But really, it is quite possible that she might have been misrepresented by the writer.

Please let that be true in this case--though it is rather discouraging in terms of knowing what or what not to believe.

If it is an actual true representation--then I am back to indignation and dismay!!!! :mad:

Too bad so many think the trailer is so bad. I think trailers are little art forms in themselves--what a waste. But it is true that sometimes so so movies have real good trailers, and the reverse is true, as well. When Life of Brian was re-released last year, the trailer for it was very weak.

Do we need this tension???? :rolleyes:
Is anybody going to Austin???
Has anyone heard if Elijah will be going???

gia21

02-18-2005, 04:12 PM

I know the feeling ... :haha:

I don't need no stinkin' visuals to be dislikin' her! ;) ;) :p

wood

02-18-2005, 04:21 PM

I AGREE WITH YOU HONEY ELF!!!! :k :k :k :k

LOVE WOOD

Achila

02-18-2005, 04:26 PM

Are you sure those aren't of Lexi? I'm sure somewhere she was identified as being her. And she's wearing those baggy stuffed-with -everything- Lexi-the-director jeans. Similar things attached to her belt, etc. :confused: It looks like Lexi. Anyone have any clear identification of who it is in all these shots?

The one that honeyelf posted is definitely Lexi (the article was about her and had her name). The pictures of the dark-haired woman depicted onset with Elijah are Lexi. The blonde is not.

whiteling

02-18-2005, 04:39 PM

What an uproar... first no news at all on Hooligans for months and now look at the last two pages! :eek: - I'm with Bunnie and Alyon, I'd like to know if Mrs Alexander has been misrepresented before I feel able to form an opinion about her. Though I must admit that she doesn't come over very likeable, indeed :rolleyes: (I suppose I simply cannot take to anybody who wanted to be like Jean-Claude van Damme. Brrr! :p).

Hobmom

02-18-2005, 05:26 PM

The pictures of the dark-haired woman depicted onset with Elijah are Lexi. The blonde is not.

But the blonde could just be Lexi after dying her hair. It looks like she streaks it. And the front of her hair has that same lighter streak over her right brow, and those baggy director pants and their accoutrements. (sp?) :confused: :rolleyes: ;)

I don't need no stinkin' visuals to be dislikin' her! :lol:

This is true. I already am prepared to not like Lexi if she maintains this poor treatment of the One Lad. But I like to put a face on the object of my disdain. ;)

I shall attempt to uncover the mystery identity of the blondish Lexi look-a-like. ;) Unless one of you well-informed ladies knows who she is. Cause...

I still think she's Lexi............ :cool:

BunnieBugs

02-18-2005, 05:59 PM

Hobmom, the only other photo I have that has a blond with similar hair is this one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/the-yank-behind-096sm.jpg

I just don't think they're the same person. Maybe the blond is a make-up person? Note the 'blood' on her hand in this shot. Of course, this may not even be the same blond as the other photos, but she looks similar...

However, I have a half a dozen shots of Lexi, and she's always wearing the same black jacket and either grey or black trousers, like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/the-yank-behind-195asm.jpg

I just don't think they're the same person. :confused:

I think I'll just forget about both of them and just stare at that first, rather fetching shot of Elwood (in spite of the cigarette). :D *stares* Yes. So lovely.

Er... where was I? Oh, yes... On to other things: Someone -- Alyon? Asked if Elijah was going to be at the SXSW Film Festival -- I don't think anyone has heard one way or the other, yet. I suppose it's possible, as he has gone to that festival (as a spectator) before, but we may not know until he shows up. Or doesn't. ;)

Goldenberry

02-18-2005, 06:08 PM

I'm away from home and have limited computer access, but I'm popping in to add my 2 cents about the Lexi Alexander interview. Her possible dissing of Elijah aside, I feel disgusted that she doesn't even mention Dougie Brimson, whose only contribution was writing the book and possibly the screenplay. ;) 'Her baby' indeed! Without the book's author there wouldn't even BE a film. :rolleyes:

Hobmom

02-18-2005, 06:20 PM

Bunnie..OK now I see the difference between them.

I know which 'Lexi' to dislike now. :cool: ;)

BunnieBugs

02-18-2005, 06:30 PM

Bunnie..OK now I see the difference between them.

I know which 'Lexi' to dislike now. :cool: ;)
Bwah! :lol: No problem! :D

Achila

02-18-2005, 09:41 PM

And yes, honey, I thought it very strange that she claimed so much credit for the script -- that was the first I'd heard, that she had anything to do with it beyond directing the film.

Yes, I am quoting me! I went onto the imdb to see what writing credit Lexi gets , and she is listed as a co-screenwriter with Dougie Brimson and Josh Shelov. I guess I didn't remember that.

You know, I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, for the most part. But the one thing we've sort of forgotten is that this was the first feature film she ever directed, so the crack about "box office" comes from very limited experience. Perhaps she didn't want Elijah. It is entirely possible. And you know -- Liev said something similar about casting EII -- let's face it, it's simple economics. A studio is far happier with casting a known actor who has a record for "putting butts in the seats". At this point in time, anyone with any connection to Lord of the Rings has that kind of cachet, Elijah especially.

To be completely fair, it must be tough as a director to have to cast someone in your movie because the studio insists upon it. I only wish it didn't end up sounding as vitriolic as it did.

BTW, I saw the commercial tonight for the Independent Spirit Awards, showing Lij on the carpet with Carson Kressley from last year. Did it actually say anywhere on Bravo's site that he'll be there this year, or did I miss it?

ETA: Never mind -- I found the press release -- he's a presenter again.

ceefour

02-18-2005, 10:41 PM

'...(D)o not be too eager to deal out...judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.'

Let's trust EW. :)

C4

Hobmom

02-18-2005, 10:55 PM

I'm trying to delay a real judgment of Lexi, but this is a place where we appreciate Elijah and his work and so far Lexi is not showing any appreciation for our talented boy.

:rolleyes:

If they both go to SXSW it will be interesting to see how she treats him and vice versa.

wood

02-19-2005, 01:04 AM

good morning ladies!!!!

oh my,like whiteling was saying,first nothing and then two pages
of discution about hooligans!!!!
i love it but it woulde have been better if it was about a good thing
and not about this witch-director!!!! :confused: :confused:

anybody who dose talk bad about elijah get to know my anger!! :confused:

can`t help it when it comes to elijah something in whants too protect him!!!

here comes three pictures of him from hooligans!! he looks so angry
wonder if it is becuse he is still in caracter or something else!!
when it comes to this movie nothing surpise me any more!!!
just hoping it will be well resived and don`t get straight to the videos!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/erendil/bhyank21.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/erendil/bhyank22.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/erendil/bhyank23.jpg

angry or not,i think he looks so gourges so hot!!!!
oh,do that counts as swooooning????? :p :D

love you all/wood

whiteling

02-19-2005, 02:37 AM

Her possible dissing of Elijah aside, I feel disgusted that she doesn't even mention Dougie Brimson, whose only contribution was writing the book and possibly the screenplay. ;) 'Her baby' indeed! Without the book's author there wouldn't even BE a film. :rolleyes:

Goldenberry, I think we all had the impression Dougie had written the book. Actually, when our Serena e-mailed him a few weeks ago (asking if he'd knew anything about possible premieres) he replied, "But one thing you should note is that the movie isn't based on any of my books. It's an entirely unique story." - But of course, as a matter of politeness, she could have at least mentioned his involvement. :rolleyes:

from Wood:
can`t help it when it comes to elijah something in whants too protect him!!!

You are certainly not alone here with this mothering reflex! ;)
Thank you for the gorgeous pictures! :k

Jippie - post #300!

Lady Wendy

02-19-2005, 04:03 AM

Whiteling
Yes, you're right...the imdb blurb about Dougie has this to say about his involvement with the film :-
With his ninth book out of the way, Dougie switched his attention to screenwriting and wrote his first full-length feature with Oscar nominated director Lexi Alexander. Entitled Hooligans, the project is currently in pre-production with filming due to commence in spring 2004.

So, although he has written several notable books on the subject, and is known to be an expert on football culture and the yob phenomenon, "Hooligans" isn't based on any of them, but rather a screenplay in its own right...nevertheless, he did co-write this with Lexi, and I think her comment may unwittingly be misunderstood that she wrote it all herself ...
Yet another example of something being taken out of context and thus giving us all the wrong impression as a result ? ( hateful lazy journalism... :rolleyes: )

I also, am of the opinion, that her comments about wanting to make her own casting choices rather than going for someone who is an obvious box-office draw, could have been taken out of context too....she probably did mean Elijah, seeing as he is the biggest name in her film, but that's not to say she didn't get on with him, or, indeed, that she didn't think he was good in his part...it just means that she would like a little more control, and not be subject to studio decisions about her pet project... that's all !!

Let's not be too hasty to judge...

I'm not particularly looking forward to this film, because a) it's not about a subject in which I have the slightest interest, and b) it looks extremely violent and a bit of a gore-fest...violence for the sake of it just ain't something I find entertaining, or even interesting, at all...even if it is the One Lad !! Even if the violence does have a point, and the film does actually tell some kind of story, along the lines of "Trainspotting" as a drugs-culture movie, it still doesn't really appeal to me...
Are we going to be expected to come away from this film with a new understanding of the hows and whys of Football Hooliganism ? And, indeed, will we ?
Are we going to be more sympathetic to these yobs and their petty little rivalries ?...I don't think so !!!

I suspect that he took this part in order to dispel his image as Frodo a little, to offset the type of character that Frodo is...this is probably a wise move as far as avoiding typecasting, but I just wish he'd picked a less yobbish theme...given that he was probably swamped with film offers after LOTR, surely he could have chosen a less unpleasant subject...

tgshaw

02-19-2005, 08:11 AM

So, although he has written several notable books on the subject, and is known to be an expert on football culture and the yob phenomenon, "Hooligans" isn't based on any of them, but rather a screenplay in its own right...nevertheless, he did co-write this with Lexi, and I think her comment may unwittingly be misunderstood that she wrote it all herself ...
I'm guessing that the rumors about disagreements during filming, disagreements certainly backed up by Dougie himself, "set us up" to read things that way. And since Dougie's the one who's kept us informed over all this time, and who defended Elijah against those who didn't think he should have been cast, we're also "set up" to be on his side emotionally, IMHO. Not that we're necessarily mistaken in that opinion ;) -- but, who knows? In the second picture Bunnie posted, it looks like Elijah may have been caught in his "peacemaker" role, although, of course, there's no way to know that, either.

Are we going to be expected to come away from this film with a new understanding of the hows and whys of Football Hooliganism ? And, indeed, will we ?
Actually, depending on who the "we" is, IMHO we just might. I'm hoping this movie gets a real release in the U.S., not just for the sake of Elijah's box-office, but because most Americans are completely ignorant of this entire topic--I would be, if not for Elijah. Fights at the World Cup got a quick mention on the news, IIRC, but just as one-time events. I don't remember ever hearing about ongoing hooliganism until I was tuned into it, and even since then I've heard only one report on it--a piece on NPR (which is listened to by, shall I say nicely, not the vast majority of Americans :( ). Even the NPR piece was based specifically on problems at the World Cup. I think we've talked here before about the meaning of the word "hooligan" in normal American use, which is w-a-a-a-y different from what it means in England; if people here go to a movie titled "Hooligans" without reading about it ahead of time, they'll be in for a surprise. And, I may be wrong, but IMHO this isn't a good topic to be completely ignorant about.

Are we going to be more sympathetic to these yobs and their petty little rivalries ?...I don't think so !!!
And I do hope you're exactly right, especially regarding people who will be exposed to those petty little rivalries for the first time. That is, I want Americans to see it as petty rivalries that can cause big problems--not as anything to be glorified or, heaven forbid, imitated! I think I might prefer even ignorance to that (we have enough home-grown violence without importing something new :( ). But if the movie really does show Elijah as an ignorant American getting "sucked into" something he doesn't understand, it could be a wake-up call for other ignorant Americans. This is "officially" listed as an American movie, and I rather hope the story's played from that POV.

From what I've heard and read so far, I'm still hopeful that this movie won't show the violence as a good thing. We should get some objective reviews after it shows at the film festival. (Heck, we may even get a non-objective Elijah-centric review from Harry Knowles :p ! We can hope, anyway ;) .)

[And I wish it was something as much fun as CofF screencapping keeping me away from here all week--and probably this coming week too. It's just that #&@! RL, I'm afraid. With several more layers of @$#^! than usual.]

Achila

02-19-2005, 08:19 AM

Hi TG,

Glad to see you here, even if it's for a quick pop in! BTW, several posts back, I asked if you wanted the script from The Faculty for your site -- let me know if you do and I'll email it to you.

Yep -- our previous knowledge of the shoot and the interpersonal problems, as reported by Dougie and others, has definitely flavored how we read these articles now. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that some of the disagreements stemmed from Lexi not wanting to cast Elijah, and that may be part of the reason for Dougie's vehement statements about how perfect he was in the role; he also responded to that Danny Dyer about the casting, IIRC, when the guy mouthed off about Elijah in an interview.

However, we should not interpret her statements (or the lack thereof) to mean that he was bad in the role, or that she didn't like him as a person (the photos look like anything but). He just wasn't her choice, perhaps (and I'm reiterating what Lady Wendy said, far better than I just did) .

BTW, here's a snippet from an interview with Don Cheadle, that I thought was interesting in light of this discussion (talking about "Hotel Rwanda"):

"I always had Don in my head when I was writing the script," Terry George admits. "But I had to say to him, 'Look, I'm trying to get this made. I'm schlepping it around Hollywood. And if Denzel Washington or Will Smith express an interest, I'm going to have to go with them.' Because that's the reality. They were A-list and he was not."

Presumably this is something that Cheadle has experienced before: being the first choice creatively, but the third choice commercially? "Oh yeah," he says. "Probably more times than I know. It's the ugly side of the business that an actor should never have to see, because it distils you into a number. Man, I just want to tell stories and inhabit different characters, and be this fool in a way. And they say, 'Well, that's great. But look, this is how much you're worth, little Mr Fool.'"

Lady Wendy

02-19-2005, 12:13 PM

OK...we need a report from the SXSW Festival in Texas, methinks !!

Here are the screening times for anyone in the Faculty Lounge who may be able to attend :z: :z: :z:

7:30 PM, Saturday March 12th - Alamo Downtown
3:30 PM, Monday March 14th - Alamo Downtown
10:00 PM, Friday March 18th - Alamo S. Lamar

Anyone live anywhere near enough ?

[b]Tgshaw]/b]
We should get some objective reviews after it shows at the film festival. (Heck, we may even get a non-objective Elijah-centric review from Harry Knowles ! We can hope, anyway

If not, I reckon that Moriarty, on the Ain't It Cool site, may be the most objective reviewer there, so lets hope it's him who goes to see it !!!

ceefour

02-20-2005, 10:39 AM

This is usually Achila's job, but just saw that Charlie Kauffman won the Writers' Guild of America Best Original Screenplay last night. Yeah! (Maybe the Oscar is next?! :z: )

Also, Howard Shore won his third Grammy in a row last weekend for Best Soundtrack for ROTK (the others being FOTR and TTT). "Into the West" won for Best Movie Song. :D

C-it sure is quiet here this morning4

Achila

02-20-2005, 10:41 AM

I was just cruising in here to post that, C4! Congrats, Charlie, for finally being recognized!

honeyelf

02-20-2005, 03:06 PM

C4, you scooped Achila! We'll have to give you a title, like Elijapedia-in-training! :) :cool:
Good news about Mr. Kaufman's award!

C4 and Shelbyshire, you two have the newly released "Chain of Fools" DVD. Are there any extra goodies on it? Any director's commentary, or anything that would make trading up from my VCD copy worth it?

I just want you all to know that the work on the grey book website is nearing completion. My daughter is a bit of perfectionist, and she's doing an amazing job! She's recreated the book virtually, as it looks! She's really gone to a lot more work than I would have asked of her, but she says she needed the practice. :cool: Next time I stick my nose in here, I hope to be giving you the link to it!

honey!

serena

02-20-2005, 05:33 PM

Gosh. My home Internet connection goes down for the whole weekend (AGAIN! :mad: Must change the service provider) - am writing this in the office at nearly midnight on a Sunday!! - and look what happens.

I'm deliberately not going to comment (much) on Lexi Alexander and her discourteous remarks (I don't think they can be interpreted any other way in the context; they really do suggest someone self-absorbed to the point of obtuseness). Thank goodness Elijah had such support from elsewhere - not only the wonderful Dougie Brimson, but seemingly most of the cast, especially the extras, who seemed universally charmed by him (surprise :) - including such notorious toughies as Cass Pennant, ex-con and apparently best-selling author who plays - I think - a policeman in this movie?)

Considering everything The One Lad went through in 2004, it's comforting to know how level-headed and philosophical he's always been about the movie world and its vicissitudes.

Which brings me to the next thing. Sorry if it's slightly OT, but Billy Boyd is filming Save Angel Hope right now - here in Luxembourg. I found this out only yesterday. I have the complete script on my kitchen table !!!!!! It turns out that several friends of mine are playing nuns in this movie - some even with tiny speaking roles! (It sure has been my year for near misses - wish I'd thrown caution/day job commitments to the wind and gone to the casting office when I had the chance! Must do so now ... you never know who might be here next .... :) ) Lots of movies are made in this little country now - one recent one was Girl with a Pearl Earring with Scarlett Johansson, in which another friend of mine very nearly won the role of Griet's mother.

All the friend who gave me the script said about Billy was that he (and his co-star) came to the dressing room after lunch and cleaned their teeth before going back on set :D Romantic movie tryst :k coming up, I wonder?
This person seemed completely unfazed by Billy, being almost totally unaware of who he was (she missed ROTK :eek: ), but she did go on to enthuse about a certain actor in FOTR and TTT whom she thought was exceptionally good-looking - as a child too. She actually knew and admired Elijah from his early years - the first person I've ever met here who knew he existed then!

Hmmm. I wonder how much Billy knows from Elijah about the filming of Hooligans (and EII)? I guess I'll never get the chance to ask him ... seems they do most of the filming in the middle of the night because that's when the premises are free of non-film people :confused:
You never know - maybe I'll bump into him somewhere before he leaves. Remind me to hang around in some bars.

And today I discovered I know a fourth Elijah fan here: an Indian friend of mine (a part-time scriptwriter) who took one look at the FOTR trailer, no less, and concluded Elijah looked like someone from another world and must be an "indigo child" (lots on the Net about those, if anyone's interested). She was not the slightest bit surprised to hear about all those reports of the crystalline glow around him. And she finds him one of the most expressive actors she's ever seen - if not THE most (so much for the One Expression myth). She was amazed to know I'd seen him last year in Karlovy Vary - and asked to borrow my DVD of The War (she finds Kevin Costner a very spiritual actor and was astonished that the young Elijah starred with him in that movie).

Oh - and yesterday I also discovered that a very obscure straight-to-video movie I WAS an extra in about 10 years ago - Sherlock Holmes and the Leading Lady (famous movie, squire) - actually starred Christopher Lee - whom of course we extras never saw. My friend's husband picked up a VHS at the airport and has lent it to me.

Altogether an interesting couple of days, you might say. Will keep you posted on Billy sightings. If any.

Shelbyshire

02-20-2005, 07:04 PM

Honey,
C4 and Shelbyshire, you two have the newly released "Chain of Fools" DVD. Are there any extra goodies on it? Any director's commentary, or anything that would make trading up from my VCD copy worth it?
Sadly :( there are no special features at all. Only the theatrical trailer. Awesome movie though. My sister should enjoy it next time she comes up to visit. She understands The One Lad thing but is actually an "elf" person. Hence the Legolas standee in my family room. ;)

tgshaw

02-20-2005, 10:14 PM

Thanks, C4 and Achila, for the news on Charlie and Howard. I didn't even pay attention to the Grammy's this year, because I figured RotK would be a done deal. So glad that Howard got the Grammy all three years, although he lost out on the second Oscar.

Speaking of music, I finally watched "Forever Your Girl" tonight. Maybe not worth having unless you want everything of Elijah's, but even those few seconds are prototype EJW: Suppressed inner turmoil! Angst! Longing! :D :D As far as the rest of the video--I was impressed with the level of dancing ability, especially of some of the male dancers. From the bits of personal history Paula Abdul talked about between songs, it's evident she's more of a choreographer than a singer, and I think that shows.

I've been working in little bits of time here and there and finally have another set of pictures up--5 more pages of Shelob's lair. I was bound and determined I wasn't going to put up anything more until I was to the point Frodo had the phial out of his pocket. These pages are all close-ups, and after this we get to some good heroic Frodo stuff, so things are looking up! The new caps start on page 14 (http://www.frodolivesin.us/Shelob/id38.htm).

There are a few new LotR movie/fandom books available on this page (http://www.frodolivesin.us/Bywater/id86.htm). One of them is the promised book on the whole affair of those con artists who insinuated themselves into the fan community, even sucking in some of the actors--An occasion when someone who'd been caught in a bad situation said, "I'm going to write a book about it" and actually did! (I'm not sure I can post the name of that one here, as it would involve some *** ;) .)

Another of them is one I'm dreading to read, but suppose I'd better--Remember that scholarly/quasi-scholarly essay that was linked to some time back? Now there's a whole book of 'em. A lot of them are written by people in the email discussion group I lurk and occasionally post in--so I suppose I should know what they're saying. But I'm sure it won't be pretty. :(

I had to redo quite a bit of linking on the site this weekend, so things should be pretty well set up. But remember that between the more-or-less monthly overhauls, I'll be listing any additions on the "What's New" (http://www.frodolivesin.us/new/) page. That way, I can add things without republishing the entire site. But I think I've just told you everything I posted there today. :)

----Achila, I'd be interested in the Faculty script, but could you hold it for awhile? I don't know when I'll be able to get my computer fixed, or get a new one or at least some external memory, but in the meantime I'm kind of nursing this one along--I haven't even made any new screencaps since I did the ones for Day-O (although I still have enough LotR ones saved to keep me busy for a long time!). With the CD drive out of commission for months now, I haven't had any way to store things off the hard drive, or even back them up, so I'm trying to keep things to a minimum. Thanks, though, for letting me know. All the things I thought were almost straightened out a couple of weeks ago are all turned upside down again. Even though the computer comes before just about anything else financially, even that has to go on hold, I'm afraid.

Achila

02-20-2005, 10:21 PM

No problem, luv. Believe me, I'm living my own RL BS at the moment, so I more than understand. :k for you!

zkgrumpy

02-21-2005, 06:46 AM

Thanks for all the reports! Serena, I now understand your "1000 feet up". ;) Honey, give your daughter a big hug from me. Billeh in a romantic role?!? Cool!

it sure is quiet here this morning[/SIZE]4
I spent yesterday renting a kid from a friend and having him pull all of the videotapes out of my closet. I sorted out about 300 or so (self-recorded - am I really ever going to watch MacGyver reruns again?) to give away. I hope the Salvation Army takes tapes. Actually, she said she talked to Walter Reed Army Hospital and donated a bunch of "real" (regular professionally recorded) movies for the wounded guys to watch; so much time is spent when you're in the hospital just waiting and being bored. Others might want to check with VA hospitals in your towns to see. (oops, kinda off topic there sorry)(Nah, I'm not sorry :p)

My bleary eyes saw the post about Kaufman winning an award as that Dougie won an award. *sigh*. We can hope. I can't wait till Hooligans is shown somewhere - anywhere, actually; we might actually get some news and reaction to it. If I got nothing else from that trailer, I saw that Elijah can play nasty very convincingly.

::: grabbing spare cat and stumbling back to bed :::

~grumpyandon3rddayofawholeweekoff

wood

02-21-2005, 10:24 AM

thanks for the great news about kaufman,C-4!!!!! :k :k :k

i realy think Elijah has the kapacity to play a realy evil caracter!!!
and i realy looking forward to this movie despite all the rumors!!!!!!

love you all/wood

edit: and of curse,a big congrats to howard shore too!!!! :k :k

serena

02-21-2005, 11:03 AM

from ceefour:
Howard Shore won his third Grammy in a row last weekend for Best Soundtrack for ROTK

Thanks for that, ceefour! And thanks to whoever it was pointed us to that little video interview with Howard about 4 weeks ago - was it you, C4? Having bought the ROTK soundtrack recently and played it non-stop whenever in the car, I can't get over the perfection of it (and the FOTR soundtrack likewise). Those themes that seem so simple and obvious now we know them, and yet seem to breathe the very life into the story, keep reappearing in endless variations, different orchestrations, different keys, inversions, contrasting moods, and flow seamlessly from one to the other. The "hobbit theme", the one I think of as Elijah's, appears in so many forms, played by recorders, tin whistles or whole sweeping string sections or sung by a 12-year-old boy, and every time it is exactly right for the context. I know I've said this before, but I don't care: Howard Shore is a miracle-worker. He was born to compose that score just as Elijah was born to play Frodo - oh, and incidentally my Indian friend said that too. Quite spontaneously. She knew Elijah was born to play Frodo the moment she saw the opening scene in Hobbiton. Just another everyday miracle.

OK, enough swooning. Back to work

wood

02-21-2005, 11:08 AM

WELL SERENA!1 I AM GLADE I AM NOT
THE ONLY ONE SWOOONING IN HERE!!!! :D :D

HAVE A GREAT DAY AT WORK!!!! :k :k :k

AND I AGREE, ELIJAH WAS REALY BORN TO PLAY FRODO
THATS FOR SURE!!!!!! :cool: :cool:

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

ceefour

02-21-2005, 02:08 PM

You're welcome, Serena. I did post an interview with HS after his Golden Globe win for "The Aviator." (forgot about that--short term memory goes first :rolleyes: ) I was listening to FOTR in my car today! (Over at TORc, a thread has just started- Moobies listen to the Soundtracks.) On U.S. TV last night a program about the first 5 years of Saturday Night Live (1975-1980) was shown; HS was the first music director. It concluded with a voice-over of HS commenting about how the show and format were all so new and the crew, actors, and writers had to find a way to make it work. (Rehearsal, perhaps, for LOTR?)

I also noticed in the old footage how all the guys had such beautiful, soft curls and waves in their hair-- think EW :cool: in "The Ice Storm." (C4 grumbles because her hair never looked like that :mad: )

tg and Achila, sorry for your troubles. :k to all The Faculty!

Achila, thanks for the interview with Don Cheadle. He was :eek: in "Out of Sight."

tg, enjoyed the additions to your site.

C4

Psst, zkgrumpy! Did you have any old tapes of "Remington Steele?" (little, tiny swoon for RS, especially the first season.)

Honeyelf, I'm trying to wait patiently and really do appreciate all your and your daughter's efforts, but ... could you hurry up? :haha:

ETA-Hope Honeyelf, Alyon and any other Faculty members (and lurkers) are safe on the West Coast.

Achila

02-21-2005, 02:28 PM

tg and Achila, sorry for your troubles. :k to all The Faculty!

Achila, thanks for the interview with Don Cheadle. He was :eek: in "Out of Sight."

Thanks, sweetie! I liked "Out of Sight", to tell the truth -- it reminded me of "Chain of Fools"!

serena

02-22-2005, 05:58 AM

Have been thinking more about Lexi Alexander's remarks. Suspect they come from a highly insecure personality who wouldn't otherwise need to remind people she was world karate champion AND a child actor or whatever. (Completely the opposite of The One Lad!) Someone so defensive and lacking in basic self-confidence would never be able to admit a mistake - e.g. admit that Elijah, not her original choice of actor to star in "her" movie, nevertheless turned out to be wonderful. She may originally have been quite vociferous about not wanting him, and later felt unable to admit she'd been wrong. Which is why she latched on to someone else on the cast list to praise to the skies (the "at least I'm right about THAT" syndrome - "mark my words" were her actual words, I think) and continued to berate the studio for insisting on a "name" actor.
Maybe not a director many actors would choose to work with a second time?

Considering the reactions of even the biggest Elijah fans (in this thread, for example!) to the subject matter of Hooligans, I only hope the title and subject don't put off too many of the potential audience. Me, I'm reserving judgment until I've seen it. Have been surprised and even impressed by some of the more articulate commentators on the UK football scene, who give the impression there is more to the syndrome than meets the eye.

Eandme

02-22-2005, 10:25 AM

Judging from the behind-the-scenes photos of Eli with Lexi Alexander, he seems rather to like her. I don't think he would be that friendly with her if she were really an unpleasant person. I trust his judgment. Also, I found some of her replies in that interview pretty funny. Witty. The one about Hitchcock's "the Birds", that was a good choice.

I am sure when it comes to Elijah she has seen the light, even if she doesn't let on. Perhaps it is true that she is a bit insecure and therefore finds it hard to admit to other peoples' brilliance. Elijah was a child actor - Ms Alexander was a child actor, look who's established and esteemed in their profession... go figure. :rolleyes:

Just my two cents.

wood

02-22-2005, 10:31 AM

Hallo everyone!!!!

I agree with you Serena!!!!

After reading that i don`t think of many actors
who woulde like to work with her!!!

I guess maybe she hurting her reputation by saying stuff
loike that!!!!

H ey, as you can see i have learned something new today!!!!

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

Alyon

02-22-2005, 10:54 AM

Serena:
Have been thinking more about Lexi Alexander's remarks. Suspect they come from a highly insecure personality who wouldn't otherwise need to remind people she was world karate champion AND a child actor or whatever.
While I really want to believe that Lexi's quotes were not fully representative of her feelings...I do agree that the overall tone sounded unpleasant and gave the impression of someone insecure and a little immature. Besides all of the other things mentioned, even her snitty remarks about Sundance, which though the stars are there, features a lot of first time directors and movies made on shoe string budgets, was kind of snobbish.

I want to even think that her remarks about getting the cast she wanted may not have been pointed at Elijah (is this wishful thinking?). Though likely she did have a tug of war in the beginning about getting a different cast altogether, maybe what she was currently thinking of was her battles with Charlie Hunnan--who is somewhat of a name in Britain, I think. :confused: I'd really like to think she was just NOT THINKING when she referred to the cast--or that her remarks weren't fully reported. That's giving her the benefit of the doubt, which time will tell if she deserves.

It's the pictures of her and Lij that make me hesitate about rushing to an opinion. They reflect well on him, anyway--if not on her--Especially if it turns out that her remarks were indeed as ungenerous as they sounded.

Hey--I watched a special on TV the other night about the first 5 years of Saturday Night Live(the really good years). I did not know that Howard Shore was the SNL music director back then!! :cool:

Random

02-22-2005, 11:38 AM

Alyon: heres one Brit who hasnt really heard of Charlie Hunnan, if that makes any difference.

Regarding Alexanders comments, if she is referring to EW, that means she thinks hes now a bone fide BOX-OFFICE DRAW which can only be a good thing. (Yeah, I know: :rolleyes: )

From Serena:
Considering the reactions of even the biggest Elijah fans (in this thread, for example!) to the subject matter of Hooligans, I only hope the title and subject don't put off too many of the potential audience.

From the trailer I get the impression that theyre massively targeting young lads who like to watch people beat each other up. I dont know why since, like you, I think that the real potential audience is Elijah fans, who may have quite different tastes!

Me, I'm reserving judgment until I've seen it. Have been surprised and even impressed by some of the more articulate commentators on the UK football scene, who give the impression there is more to the syndrome than meets the eye.

Rather OT anecdote: UK members will be aware that the English get all het up about winning the Euro and World Cup *EVERY SINGLE TIME* even though the team is by no means the best around. Well, I personally got quite obsessed with England winning the European Cup in 1995, and when England lost to Germany AGAIN on penalties and thus was out of the race, I was so angry I swear if Id seen a German passing by the house Id run out and punch them in the face. And Im probably the calmest, least angry person I know, and not at all obsessed with football. The game does strange things to people! :eek:

Goldenberry

02-22-2005, 11:39 AM

Psst, zkgrumpy! Did you have any old tapes of "Remington Steele?" (little, tiny swoon for RS, especially the first season.)

Erm, C4? :o I have a nearly complete set of Remington Steele tapes. And I'm hanging onto them until the DVD set comes out, if ever that happens! :o ;) :p

Don Cheadle was wonderful in Hotel Rwanda, which peaceweaver and I saw together. We agree it is the best movie of 2004 and should have at least been nominated for a Best Picture Oscar, which sadly it was not. :rolleyes: Of course, the only other Best Picture nominee I have seen is Finding Neverland. I think that peaceweaver has seen all the nominees except Ray. So there, Academy! :haha:

Alyon

02-22-2005, 11:46 AM

Random:
Alyon: heres one Brit who hasnt really heard of Charlie Hunnan, if that makes any difference.

My mistake, then. I thought he could be well-known in Britain because I knew he had been in a TV series there--Queer as Folk. And I don't know what else. But I've seen him in a few things. He was in a pretty good series in America a years back, called Undeclared. One of those critically well thought of series that got canceled after the first season (I think it only lasted that long). But I guess that wouldn't qualify him as a box office draw :D

Achila

02-22-2005, 11:49 AM

Charlie was in a recent adaptation of "Nicholas Nickelby" and had a small role in last year's "Cold Mountain".

wood

02-22-2005, 11:52 AM

Well,Random! I know what you mean!!!

I realy aren`t in for football but when the swedish
team are in EM or WM or The olympics i am so totally
in for it!!!
And when Henric Larsson and Zlatan is on the grass i am hucked!!!

A nd when they don`t win i get so mad !!!!!
so i think this sport can turn a very carm person in to a very angry
and violent person !!
Don`t ask me why!!!

edit: i simulposted with both Alyon and Achila!! hi ladies!!!

i have seen cold mountain !! great movie!!!
what part did he have ????
LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

Flourish

02-22-2005, 11:55 AM

I think those remarks from the "Hooligans" director are getting more scrutiny than they can really bear just because there's no other news. I'm not making any judgments about them at all since they are clearly part of some larger context. They may have been ill-considered, or naive, or even misquoted or poorly transcribed or edited. They might even be sincere, who knows? It's easy to be partisan, of course, and that's kind of the game, but---. Premature, imo. ;)

As for the trailer, I've said it before--it's clearly targeted to the film's real audience. (No, not fans of Mr. Wood's earlier work, necessarily.) I'd rather it were truthful about what the film is really like, since "what the film is like" is going to form a large part of my decision whether to see it or not. I really don't want the marketing campaign to pander to fantasy-LOTR-EW fans and then go see the film and find it to be unredeemingly angry, brutal, and disturbing.

whiteling

02-22-2005, 12:02 PM

Well, I personally got quite obsessed with England winning the European Cup in 1995, and when England lost to Germany AGAIN on penalties and thus was out of the race, I was so angry I swear if Id seen a German passing by the house Id run out and punch them in the face. And Im probably the calmest, least angry person I know, and not at all obsessed with football. The game does strange things to people! :eek:

:eek: *Whiteling hides quickly from Random and the angry guy below*
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/aaa.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/Hooligans.jpg

:D ;)

honeyelf

02-22-2005, 12:07 PM

The GreyBook website is now complete, and can be viewed at (Link Deleted: PM me if you want details!)Enjoy! but if I might ask, please leave what you see there, and do not repost anything to any other forum.

If anyone has trouble getting "Christmas in Mordor" to load, please let me know. It works on my computer, but we have a cable modem. I know Alyon's had trouble with it on her dial-up. If other's have trouble we'll have to see what we can do to remedy it.

All praise for the function and look of the website should be creditted to my Casimir. It's her skill and talent that makes the thing work. And her patience with my eccentricities! She is not a fan of Elijah, so she needed all her patience!

Oscar candidates: I've seen "The Aviator," "Million Dollar Baby," and "Finding Neverland" so far. Of the three (and with apologies to Mr. Depp ;) ) my favorite has been "The Aviator." Looking forward to seeing "Hotel Rawanda." I heard Mr. Cheadle in an interview with Teri Gross on NPR, and I liked his sweet attitude on life, and his career. And he's another actor who gets passed over for roles because he's "too short" at 5'8". :rolleyes:

Billeh in a romantic role?!? Cool!

Yeah! Who says little guys can't play romantic leads?!? Here's to Billy for striking a blow for the little chaps! :k

I see I'm simulposting with you, Alyon! :k

honey!

BunnieBugs

02-22-2005, 12:30 PM

Oh, honey. That book is just wonderful. I'm so glad you posted this so that we could all have a chance to see what everyone wrote. Some of it is incredibly moving, and some is just plain hilarious. :D

Thank you! I do hope Elijah had time to look through an appreciate everyone's contributions, because they are wonderful. :)

Rikka

02-22-2005, 12:42 PM

Here in Russia I know Charlie Hunnan after "Nicholas Nickelby" - he made a good job in this movie, IMHO.

honeyelf,
thank you for possibility to find out that that famous EW gift was! :k Quite interesting!

I watched "The Aviator" and, sencerely saying, was bored to death! My vote is for "Neverland".

zkgrumpy

02-22-2005, 12:55 PM

The GreyBook website is now complete, and can be viewed at xxxxxxxxxxxx Enjoy! but if I might ask, please leave what you see there, and do not repost anything to any other forum.

Oh. My. <insert name of deity here>.

That is phenomenal. I am speechless.

Please, please, please, everyone, respect Honey's wishes and don't copy or repost anything. This is just too special a gift, to Elijah and to us.

::: scrambling around for socks that have been knocked off :::

~grumpy

wood

02-22-2005, 01:13 PM

Oh My Oh My!!!!!!!

I Can`t Find Any Words!!!!!!!
So Beautiful!!!!!

I Woulde Never Dream Of Doing Anything Like That!!!
This Is A Specell Thing For Elijah And To Us!!!!!!

I Hade A Great Time Reading !! I Have Cryed And Laughed!!!!!!!!!!!
Some Story Were Very Toughing And The Songs Were Hilerious!!!

A Big Thank You And A Big Hug For Doing This,honey!!!!!
And A Big Kiss For Your Daughter For Doing This!!!

Love You All/wood

Ereshkigal

02-22-2005, 02:14 PM

The Grey Book was wonderful, ladies! If Mr. Wood isn't moved by it, I at least am. I think I'm in love with you all.

In a totally non-stalker way, I might add. And platonic. (Just to be clear).

;)

wood

02-22-2005, 02:18 PM

THE SAME TOO YOU ERESHKIGAL!!!!!!

:k :k :k :k

I THINK WE ALL CAN BE PROUD ELIJAHFANS!!!!!

DON`T YOU THINK????

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

whiteling

02-22-2005, 02:42 PM

I'm really at a loss for words.... oh Honey, that book is so beautiful! What a treasure chest. A huge THANK YOU for you and your daughter :k.

((((Faculty)))) - I'm glad to be with you. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/Olymics_smilie.gif

Flourish

02-22-2005, 02:49 PM

Eresh-- :lol:

Honey, the book is just as beautiful as I imagined it would be--you are talented indeed. And the website is lovely and clever. The apple doesn't fall far..... ;)

Oh! And the contents! Ladies all, you've done yourselves proud.

Achila

02-22-2005, 02:50 PM

Honeyelf, let me add my praise for your wonderful work! I'm alternating between sniffing and laughing and simply being amazed. Oh gosh -- "massively germaine" -- I'd forgotten how funny that was (i.e., PJ's Hamlet). Great job (and yes, now I'm really sorry I didn't participate)! :k

BLOSSOM

02-22-2005, 02:50 PM

I just had to de-lurk for a moment to say:

THANK YOU HONEY AND CASIMIR

I've spent the past hour or so browsing through Elijah's book, reading everyone's letters :) - admiring the wonderful artwork :cool: - and listening to the hilarious musical contributions. :lol:

I'm sure Elijah would appreciate all the love, care and work you put into that beautiful book, Honey. :k

Who is that singing on 'Christmas In Mordor?' She has a great voice.

Thanks again. :)

Re-lurking...

Hobmom

02-22-2005, 02:50 PM

Serena- I think you analyzed Lexi correctly to a 'T'.

She seems to be a very insecure person who needs to shout loudly about her 'accomplishments' to make them sound more convincing. Maybe she's just trying to convince herself.

She may, though, be a good director. I was thinking of other directors who were all about themselves rather than their actors and Otto Preminger comes to mind. A brilliant director who abused and ridiculed his cast all the time.

I guess all directors can't be PJ or Liev(who seems to have gotten on very well with Elijah on HIS first film directing job) or Robert Rodrigues who also adores working with the One Lad.

As for Ms. Alexander being a woman director, that might make her feel insecure, too. But it doesn't have to. Look at Sofia Coppola.... Lost in Translation..first major script..first major film... turned out great and her cast loved her.

I wonder if Elijah will ever want to work with Lexi again. He has said he certainly would work with PJ again and has worked with Robert 3 times already.

Bohemian

02-22-2005, 02:53 PM

WOW. Just wow...The book is incredible. Very interesting too. You have all done an awesome job. Especially HoneyElf and your daughter. You are the most amazing people ever..After Elijah of course ;) I just have no words...so I'll just...shut up now...

Flourish

02-22-2005, 03:01 PM

(Francis Ford Coppola's daughter is probably not an ideal benchmark to use in a comparison of first-time directors, whether women or men. ;) )

Hobmom

02-22-2005, 03:07 PM

Sofia Coppola may have had the support of her famous, influencial Dad but she also had to have the talent and personal ability to work well with her cast and crew to make that pay off. Other children of famous parents have still had to prove their own worth. A famous name may 'get them in the door' but they have to work hard to 'stay inside'.

Flourish

02-22-2005, 03:35 PM

Apologies, Hobmom. I thought you were making a more general point about women directors feeling insecure in their first big effort.

My point is simply that a lot of negative assumptions and inferences have been made about very little data. But nuff said, I guess. It's not a popular view.

ceefour

02-22-2005, 03:43 PM

Honeyelf and Casimir, it's beautiful! (sniffle, sniffle)

Whiteling, your new smilies :lol:

Goldenberry, I just read that RS will be released on DVD in April :eek: !!

C4

Alyon

02-22-2005, 03:53 PM

HoneyElf!! Give Casmir a big kiss and a hug. :k :k Then embarrass her some more and give her an imaginary group hug from all of us. :D You both did such a wonderful job putting it all together. And (((Faculty)))---such wonderful contributions. I had seen the book before at ORC, but re-reading is such a pleasure. I hope Elijah spent a little time with it. :z: We do know had it in his hands. I saw it go from Honey to Elijah. He really has it.

Thanks again Honey and Casmir.

Blossom:
Who is that singing on 'Christmas In Mordor?' She has a great voice.

That would be my then 15 year old daughter, who wrote and recorded it on a home four track for my Christmas present in 2003. I think it's so funny...best Christmas present ever!
(I'm glad you could load and play it--I still can't get the link to work for me).

shireling

02-22-2005, 04:00 PM

Honeyelf - the book is wonderful!! Thank you so much for doing this - and thanks to your talented daughter too. I love to think of Elijah reading all those words of admiration and affection which he so deserves - and all my instincts tell me that he will :)

The "hobbit theme", the one I think of as Elijah's, appears in so many forms, played by recorders, tin whistles or whole sweeping string sections or sung by a 12-year-old boy, and every time it is exactly right for the context. I know I've said this before, but I don't care: Howard Shore is a miracle-worker. He was born to compose that score just as Elijah was born to play Frodo - oh, and incidentally my Indian friend said that too. Quite spontaneously. She knew Elijah was born to play Frodo the moment she saw the opening scene in Hobbiton. Just another everyday miracle.

I agree entirely with everything in that statement Serena ~ (1) Howard Shore is definitely a miracle-worker, yet another genius associated with these films. (2) I adore every single note of the LOTR score,but its 'Frodo's Theme' that affects me more than anything else, played in any of the forms you mention. I well remember when FOTR had finished playing in theatres & the dvd was still a long way off being released, I'd listen to the cd of the soundtrack over & over, seeing the film play in my head, and the moment when 'The Prophecy' ended and gave way to 'Concerning Hobbits' I would literally shake. And still do. (3) I feel so strongly that it was predestined for Elijah to play Frodo. Thats why his mother guided him along that particular road - although she obviously didn't know it at the time. If you have a hyperactive child, which it sounds Elijah may have been, and were considering where to channel his energies - I'd have thought some sort of sport would have come to mind rather than modelling/acting. But no - thankfully something made her make that choice.

Re Chain of Fools - I believe someone was asking when it was made. This was the very last thing Lij did before leaving for NZ to make LOTR. I could never understand why it went straight to video - I thought it was hilarious. And Elijah was brilliant in it. I really must watch it again.

Achila

02-22-2005, 04:21 PM

Re Chain of Fools - I believe someone was asking when it was made. This was the very last thing Lij did before leaving for NZ to make LOTR. I could never understand why it went straight to video - I thought it was hilarious. And Elijah was brilliant in it. I really must watch it again.

I too love Chain of Fools. It's actually one of my favorite non-LOTR Lij movies. Did you watch the trailer yet? The voiceover introduces Tom Wilkinson as "that guy from The Full Monty" -- LOL!

It is hard to believe that Lij made that before LOTR tho -- the shape of his face looks so different. Obviously, Frodo's hair had a lot to do with that, but even the pics of him taken in NZ off set don't look like he does in CoF. Hmmm

As for why it went direct to DVD, dunno. I'm still wondering why they chose to put this out on DVD at this particular time -- because of the number of us EW fans, perhaps?

Skater girl

02-22-2005, 05:17 PM

Honeyelf and Casimir - Thank you!!! The book itself is wonderful, and the fact that you have made it possible for us all to read it is simply the icing on the cake. I have really enjoyed reading everyone's contributions, trying to guess from the style and content who wrote what, before reading the names at the bottom of each page. I haven't had tiime to listen to the songs yet, but I'll have another visit in the morning.

I agree totally with the comments about the genius of Howard Shore. I look at myself, struggling to sort out in my mind a fairly limited amount of information for my dissertation, and then I watch the ROTK EE documentary and see Howard having to write and rewrite bits from all ends of the score to keep up with PJs changes, and to put it bluntly, I am gobsmacked that one human being can juggle so much information in their brain.

I seem to remember that Chain of Fools made it to the cinema in the country of the director. Could it have been Sweden? It has been available on DVD for at least a year in Europe, and as it is such a good film in itself, I would imagine that word of mouth has made it sell well enough to get it issued at long last in the USA. I loved the film, especially the scenes between the two supposed hitmen, and Elijah's conversation with Steve Zahn in the bathroom.

I have just this evening watched a film called Bedazzled, with a young Dudley Moore and Peter Cooke. It is the first time I have really watched anything of Dudley's from before '10' and 'Arthur', and right from the beginning, I could see him as a brown-eyed Frodo. All the way through expressions kept appearing on his face that reinforced this feeling, and it was in all honesty a rather surreal experience.

honeyelf

02-22-2005, 06:47 PM

I'm glad you all are enjoying getting a peek into Elijah's book! It was such a pleasure to compile all your thoughtful expressions of gratitude and affection for him. To be the one to actually present it to him on your behalf was absolutely wonderful, and there's nothing I'd have rather conveyed to him, than the love of all you dear friends here!

honey!

ceefour

02-22-2005, 10:23 PM

Just re-reading The Grey Book. :D

You are all such terrific writers and artists; I am happy and proud to be part of The Faculty.

And you always post such pretty pictures, too! For research, of course. :haha:

C4

ylla

02-23-2005, 12:08 AM

(((Honey and Casimir)))

Words are truly inadequate..that is beyond my wildest expectations..incredibly beautiful.. the perfect mix of humor and appreciation.
I'm so glad I put my 2 cents in at the last minute...I just couldn't seem to come up with anything that I felt hadn't been said before...so I chose to just speak from my heart and pull out words from a post I had made in here earlier. Thank You Honey for the editor's note setting up my contribution you are such a special lady with so many talents...and your daughter is such a love for putting this together so we can all share it. :k
Alyon what a talented daughter you have...the perfect song to include ...we all know Elijah has a good sense of humor and I'm sure he cracked up listening to that....ZK I'll never hear that Lydia song the same way again....OMG I'm gonna revisit that site quite a few times.
Faculty...If I may say.....You Guys all Rock :cool: :cool:

wood

02-23-2005, 12:50 AM

Good morning ladies!! :k :k

Just pop in to say that!!
And then i saw that you were back YLLA great to see you
in here again!!!! :k :k :k

We have missed you in here!!!!!

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

saile

02-23-2005, 06:25 AM

I wanted to de-lurk for a moment to add a sincere THANK YOU to each of you for the GreyBook. The website is wonderful, the book is so beautiful and the contributions are remarkable. Words fail, Thank you.

Kumari

02-23-2005, 07:22 AM

Honeyelf! That was amazing! Thank you and your daughter so much for all the hard work, both on the physical book and the website.

It was lovely to read all the letters, look at the artwork and listen to the songs, all written straight from the hearts of so many different people. I'm sure Elijah was impressed. I certainly am.

Kumari

Narya Celebrian

02-23-2005, 07:27 AM

Honeyelf, the book is beautiful! Thanks so much for all your hard work on it, and thanks to you and Casimir for getting it on-line so we could all admire and appreciate it. I'm sure Elijah loved it! :k

Goldenberry

02-23-2005, 10:46 AM

Honeyelf and Casmir -- the Grey Book is absolutely gorgeous. Words fail me (not the usual in my RL, though I am pretty reticent online!) Thank you, thank you a thousand times over for your talent and dedication to the task. :k :k

Goldenberry, I just read that RS will be released on DVD in April :eek: !!

:z: O Happy Day!!! :z: My life will be complete! ;) :p

serena

02-23-2005, 01:23 PM

Honey, Casimir, thank you :k

Elijah (assuming he has read it, which I'm sure he has) can't fail to be amazed and delighted and honoured by it, just as he deserves to be.
But does anyone else feel, after seeing Honey's site, that they've got to know far, far more about the authors of those lovely and/or hilarious pieces of writing? Those stories of how people came to know of Elijah or of what he has meant to their lives are more moving and profound than I would ever have guessed. The presentation is exquisite (online and on paper - both must have taken you for ever!) - and so is the quality of the writing (wishing I'd left myself more than 5 minutes to do mine .... but what the heck .... )
LOVE the Hamlet spoof, btw. And the Fronat juxtaposition. And the portraits. And the song - and the accompaniment! :D
And by no means least - maybe most - the introduction. Was that you, Honey? or Alyon? Perfect, whoever wrote it. And the pic of you both with Elijah rounds it off ideally. Sigh.
from Random:
Well, I personally got quite obsessed with England winning the European Cup in 1995
Oh, I can understand that! What I meant by "the syndrome" was real hooliganism, not just getting heated about soccer. That is, the people who really do go around gratuitously smashing up the towns in which the match takes place (whether they "belong" to the opposing side or not) or seriously beating up anyone looking as if they might be an opponent. Am curious about whether there really is loyalty and courage and generosity hidden in there somewhere. Dougie Brimson seems to imply that. And it's said that all events, perceived as good or bad, are there to teach us something. Maybe this film will? Maybe some of us will end up forgiving Lexi for her remarks, which, as Flourish says
may have been ill-considered, or naive, or even misquoted or poorly transcribed or edited
The latter is just possible, I agree. And I actually like this Lexi quote:
Stand your ground, trust your gut, and as my mother always said: Don't let people tell you that they're right because they've done it for over twenty years. You can do something wrong for twenty years.
Too right!

Almost completely OT postscript that might possibly interest Whiteling and maybe others: I "met" Günter Grass last night - that is, spoke to him very briefly after he gave a reading in a small theatre here (things really are happening in this town right now!). For anyone who doesn't know, he's a German author, now aged 77, who won the Nobel Prize for literature a few years ago. I wrote my MA thesis on his work (strange synchronicity there that I'll relate one day!). Very very good vibes - he seemed a delight as a person. Well, my excuse for mentioning this here is that we did sort of discuss Elijah playing GG's best-known character Oskar Matzerath a few hundred pages back. OK, the child part has been done by Volker Schlöndorff, but there's always the adult Oskar - the hunchback with the beautiful eyes!
slinks off home

zkgrumpy

02-23-2005, 02:32 PM

As for why it went direct to DVD, dunno. I'm still wondering why they chose to put this out on DVD at this particular time -- because of the number of us EW fans, perhaps?A battered Amazon box just arrived on my doorstep. In answer to your comment, I wonder if it has anything to do with Elijah's name being first on the list of actors on the front. I bet it wouldn't have been that way before. :p

From Serena:
But does anyone else feel, after seeing Honey's site, that they've got to know far, far more about the authors of those lovely and/or hilarious pieces of writing?Uh-oh... :D

Those stories of how people came to know of Elijah or of what he has meant to their lives are more moving and profound than I would ever have guessed.I agree. I about cried reading Ylla's and TG's. I was stunned by the artwork. I loved the other essays.

~grumpy (ah, vacation)(I guess I should get dressed...)(ho hum) :p :p

whiteling

02-23-2005, 03:27 PM

Elijah (assuming he has read it, which I'm sure he has) can't fail to be amazed and delighted and honoured by it, just as he deserves to be.

Reading all the touching lines everyone has devoted to Elijah, this poem of Joachim Ringelnatz came to my mind:

Gifting

Give gifts big or wee
Yet solid alway
When the donee
The presents assay
Your conscience be free.

Give free from the heart
Give a part
Of your inside
In meaning, taste, and gusto
Your own expectation, just so,
Will richly abide.

Give thoughtfully, without pelf,
Know you yourself
That your donation
Is self-explanation.

Thanks again to all! :) :k

Almost completely OT postscript that might possibly interest Whiteling and maybe others: I "met" Günter Grass last night - that is, spoke to him very briefly after he gave a reading in a small theatre here (things really are happening in this town right now!).
Oho, that's quite interesting! Isn't it funny - Grass considers himself a professional graphic artist who happens to be a self-educated writer :p.
Well, my excuse for mentioning this here is that we did sort of discuss Elijah playing GG's best-known character Oskar Matzerath a few hundred pages back. OK, the child part has been done by Volker Schlöndorff, but there's always the adult Oskar - the hunchback with the beautiful eyes!

OK, but first comes Kevin, the mute cannibal. ;)

Ceefour, I'm glad to hear you enjoyed my latest smilies... here's one you should like too -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/whiteling/Monalisa_smilie.gif

Shelbyshire

02-23-2005, 08:46 PM

HoneyElf and Casimir :) Beautiful book. And, yes, my daughters and I just loved Christmas in Mordor. Unfortunately, my connection broke off when it was only 69% downloaded so we missed the end. But we will try again. Excellent work!!

ceefour

02-23-2005, 10:47 PM

Whiteling-- :lol: When I made that comparison, it seemed rather over-the-top, but, really, I had been staring at that photo trying to decide why it seemed so familiar. If someone with better computor skills than I (hint, hint!) could place them side by side... Has this been noted before? I remembered comparisons to Michealangelo's David and other paintings, but not to the Mona Lisa. Not to imply that EW's face is feminine, but it is the expression that intrigues me.

SkaterGirl, the director of CoF is/are(?) Traktor, a team of 5 directors and 2 producers from Sweden who have made aver 300 TV commercials and several music videos. CoF was their first full-length feature. According to imdb.com, they have a new movie, "Siphon", in production.

Hello to saile!

wood, your colors make me :D !

The Gospel at Mass this week was the Transfiguration, which, as some Faculty members may know, included the prophet Elijah and talk about building a tent for him to stay with the disciples. At which point my thoughts started to wander to "Why a tent? That's outside. Too cold. Let's invite him inside. We could have coffee and bagels." I'm beginning to wonder about my sanity. But I thought The Faculty might understand! ;)

C-bought bagels today just in case-4

honeyelf

02-23-2005, 10:51 PM

I've removed the direct link on page 28 to the Grey Book site. The site is still up for your perusal, and we probably will just leave it up. If you've missed it just PM me and I'll direct you to it.

Hey, did you all notice all the lovely colors we get to play with now? WOW!

ShelbyShire, I love your new sig line, ala Kresk, the hapless barber! :lol:

honey!

yawannaknowwhati'mlookin'forwardto?twowords:stuffedpenguins! ;)

ETA: simulposted with C4 (bagels!) Your wish is my command.
Firstly the mysterious lady.(some people think she was actually modeled on a man's face - perhaps Leonardo's own - because of the prominant supraorbital ridge.)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/mona_lisa_large.jpg
And then the lovely lad, who has his own prominent supraorbital ridge goin' for him (as well as just about everything else, except maybe taste in mixing stripes and patterns!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/136.jpg
(ohwell,hemakesthisoldquilter'sheartbeatfasterwithsuchunlikelycombinations!)

BunnieBugs

02-23-2005, 11:20 PM

And then the lovely lad, who has his own prominent supraorbital ridge goin' for him (as well as just about everything else, except maybe taste in mixing stripes and patterns!

I was gonna say, "Ack! Don't dis the tie!" until I saw your tiny little 'disclaimer' at the bottom of your post. :lol: I absolutely love that shirt and tie combo, but then, I have absolutely no clue about men's fashion, really. I just love that whole ensemble, and the colors (especially the blue of his suit) really... suit him! :D

While I'm here, I just thought I'd drop a link to a new interview in the Taipei Times (http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/archives/2005/02/24/2003224431). It's a bit of an odd thing -- nice interview, but no new ground covered. Possibly Eternal Sunshine is just opening over there (finally?). I haven't tracked it down to check, yet.

Edit: Upon closer inspection, I think it has to be an interview from last year, what with a sentence that begins: With fresh memories of The Lord of the Rings... And the Taiwanese opening of ETOTSM was last April. I don't know why they're only just now publishing it. :confused:

honeyelf

02-24-2005, 01:55 AM

Bunnie said: I absolutely love that shirt and tie combo, but then, I have absolutely no clue about men's fashion, really.

well, honestly I love it too, but then I have this tendency to carry everything just that much too far, and so don't trust myself.

That article you posted was great. I especially thought this was revealing, in light of recent discussions regarding the troubled Hooligans shoot:
FW: How do you act towards other movie stars?

EW: We behave like colleagues, and there is no ego on the set at all. When a film works out to be a good environment, at its best, it is an environment comprised of equals, who are all there to work and make the best film they possibly can. There is sort of a family atmosphere, without any ego present, or any sense of big-time Hollywood actors.

Typically lovely and gracious reply from Elijah I think.

A few years ago we were doing a lot of family therapy, and we were given a set of archetypes by which to define our family dynamics, and identify who worked in what role. I remember one of the archetypes was "mascot/good child;" the person in this role sought to keep everyone else from falling apart by being adorable, high-acheiving, and amusing. I just have to wonder if Elijah didn't find himself in that role as a teen-ager, given the turmoil a divorce in the family would have brought, and if that is not why it was so easy for him to step into the role of "peacemaker" on the Hooligan's set. This pic in particular is feeding my random speculations; he seems to be using affection to diffuse a situation perhaps, though of course we'll never really know. I'm sure Elijah is too much the gentleman to ever speak of what went wrong at the set. Anyway, the picture:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/honeyelf/peacemaker.jpg

honey!

Skater girl

02-24-2005, 03:11 AM

A battered Amazon box just arrived on my doorstep. In answer to your comment, I wonder if it has anything to do with Elijah's name being first on the list of actors on the front. I bet it wouldn't have been that way before. :p

I think you could be right. My UK DVD doesn't even have Elijah's name on the front of the box. Only Steve Zahn, Salma Hayek and Jeff Goldblum have that priviledge, and I had never even heard of Steve Zahn before seeing this.

wood

02-24-2005, 11:04 AM

HI EVERYONE,FROM A VERY SNOWY SWEDEN!!!! :k :k :k

I LIKE THIS NEW COLORS!!!!!

THEY REALY MAKES ME HAPPY AND C-4,THEY MAKE ME REALY :D

LOVE YOU ALL/WOOD

ceefour

02-24-2005, 11:16 AM

Thank you, HoneyElf!

My cover of CoF has Steve Zahn, Salma Hayak, and Jeff Goldblum above the title and the cast picture;EW's name first among the remainder of the cast names below the picture.

My newspaper had an interesting article about acting yesterday. I checked the online edition to try and link it for you all, but the article was only in the real paper. An artistic director and theater critic named Robert Brustein has written abook called "Letters to a Young Actor" "and has overseen the grooming of some of this country's finest players: Meryl Streep, Christopher Walken, Sigourney Weaver, Sam Waterston and Tony Shalhoub."

Some of The Faculty members have studied acting so they may have some comments about his opinions.

"He holds strong opinions about Lee Strsberg, the master teacher who developed 'The Method,' an idiosyncratic interpretation of Russian director Constantin Stanislavski's 'System' of psychosocial realism.

In the 1950's, Strasberg turned his Actor's Studio into a laboratory for a cadreof movie stars--Brando, James Dean, Montgomery Clift--schooled in adeadpan style of acting that often exploded into raw emotion. According to Brustein, Strasberg misinterpreted the exercises that actors use to help release feelings.

'Strasberg's actors tend to play the emotion rather than the scene,' Brustein said. This, he believes, has encouraged performers to become personalities rather that actors."

" ' Real acting is a transformation, changing your mask, subordinationg yourself to the role.' "

"He is an ardent proponent of advanced theater training. ('Few people make it on talent and instinct alone.') Intelligence, reading and research are necessary for an actor to have the range of some of Brustein's former students, he said.

Get a goodliberal arts education, Brustein tells aspiring actors. Get a job to pay the rent and student loans while auditioning. Most important, maintain abalance betweeen performing and a personal life.

'You'll need a lot of strength,' Brustein cautioned, 'the capacity to stay the course for your calling.' "

ETA-I was also wondering during the Gospel if the Transfiguration was the inspiration (for lack of a better word) for the appearance of Glorfindel at the Ford. Maybe some more learned could comment. (Don't ask me what the sermon was about. I have no idea.)

C-it's snowing here, too-4

peaceweaver

02-24-2005, 11:44 AM

Drawn as if by magic by the Elwood picture that Honey posted.....the BIG one!

(I'm not sure how much credence to give the Leonardo's Mona Lisa is a self-portrait idea, though.)

Honey, the Grey book is wonderful. Congratulations and thank you for all your hard work getting it together and then actually DELIVERING it!

Glad so many Faculty members are getting to see CoF! (My version still has subtitles...) I love that film!

Ceefour: I look forward to Passover each year, cause I get to sit at a table set for Elijah. Though he never arrives.... :rolleyes: But your thought about the Transfiguration is very interesting. Tolkien certainly knew the Gospel, and there is plenty of other Christian imagery in LoTR. Must think....

Achila

02-24-2005, 04:43 PM

A few years ago we were doing a lot of family therapy, and we were given a set of archetypes by which to define our family dynamics, and identify who worked in what role. I remember one of the archetypes was "mascot/good child;" the person in this role sought to keep everyone else from falling apart by being adorable, high-acheiving, and amusing. I just have to wonder if Elijah didn't find himself in that role as a teen-ager, given the turmoil a divorce in the family would have brought, and if that is not why it was so easy for him to step into the role of "peacemaker" on the Hooligan's set.

Not long ago, I saw an old interview of Lij's that someone posted -- I believe it was done when he was a teenager. And he spoke of himself as the Peace Maker between his sister and mother, who (according to him) are very similar in temperment and somewhat fiery. If you grow up that way, it becomes second nature to try to bring people together who are not seeing eye to eye in volatile situations. Elijah seems to be good at it.

That picture could well be what Honey described. Draping himself on people is a pose you see Elijah in time and time again, and while it may be from a desire for contact, it may also be a way to soothe by "schmoopiness".

Ereshkigal

02-24-2005, 07:58 PM

That picture could well be what Honey described. Draping himself on people is a pose you see Elijah in time and time again, and while it may be from a desire for contact, it may also be a way to soothe by "schmoopiness".

He can soothe my schmoopiness anytime.

Tee hee. Love the coinage, Achila.

zkgrumpy

02-25-2005, 01:36 AM

Draping himself on people is a pose you see Elijah in time and time again, and while it may be from a desire for contact, it may also be a way to soothe by "schmoopiness". I'd be surprised if Elijah wasn't perfectly aware of the effect that he has on people and uses it deliberately at times. Most people do. If you put a different face and personality in place of The One Lad, it could be a bit creepy or just annoying. I wonder how long he'll be able to pull that off. If he reflects on the outside what's on the inside, then the answer is "indefinitely".

BTW, I found the second Easter Egg on RotK. I wondered why they hadn't included that - it was pretty funny.

~grumpy(Schmoopiness?) :D (I wonder if it worked on Lexi)(I still think she had a bad attack of German speech patterns in that interview)(My family has been in the US for several hundred years and I still put my verbs in the wrong place, and *everyone* in my family has gotten in trouble at one time or another for the way we talk, outside of Pennsylvania, of course.)(People from the Carolinas have been known to go into convulsions on hearing a central Pennsylvania German accent)

Eandme

02-25-2005, 04:49 AM

BTW, I found the second Easter Egg on RotK. I wondered why they hadn't included that - it was pretty funny.

A second Easter Egg? What's that precious? is it like..umm..second breakfast?

And how to find it please :z:

Achila

02-25-2005, 05:25 AM

A second Easter Egg? What's that precious? is it like..umm..second breakfast?

And how to find it please :z:

It's on the second disc, in the same place as the one on the first disc, and I won't spoil it for you, but it's of our favorite LOTR director fending off a couple of would-be Hollywood types. It's nowhere near as funny as the first one tho.

Narya Celebrian

02-25-2005, 09:56 AM

Chain of Fools arrived from Amazon today. It's going to be a really long day at work today - I'm itching to just go home and watch it!!

BLOSSOM

02-25-2005, 11:12 AM

I'd be surprised if Elijah wasn't perfectly aware of the effect that he has on people and uses it deliberately at times... I wonder how long he'll be able to pull that off. If he reflects on the outside what's on the inside, then the answer is "indefinitely".

Well Grumpy, it seems Elijah has never been lacking in the charm stakes. I was browsing through the latest copy of 'Total Film' magazine in the supermarket today, when as if by magic, my eyes fell upon a picture of The One Lad. It was only a very small article - not worth purchasing said mag for - but it basically said, IIRC:

Before Elijah Wood was even a glint in Peter Jackson's eye, 'Total Film' met up with the 'Lord Of The Rings' actor on the set of teen movie 'The Faculty.' Our picture editor said Elijah was so cute she wanted to put him in her pocket and take him home - like a little 'pet pixie.'

Pet hobbit - yes. But pixie? Anyway, he obviously made quite an impression way back then. Not that anyone here would be surprised by that, of course. :)

serena

02-25-2005, 01:24 PM

from the article quoted by ceefour:
"He is an ardent proponent of advanced theater training. ('Few people make it on talent and instinct alone.')
If that statement is true, maybe Lij was getting some advanced theater training from Liev Schreiber (a classically-trained actor) on the EII set when he was (by all accounts) repeatedly made to do 50 takes?? :eek: Hope the Lad at least got some benefit from it. His talent and instinct have taken him one helluva way so far.

Originally Posted by Achila
Draping himself on people is a pose you see Elijah in time and time again, and while it may be from a desire for contact, it may also be a way to soothe by "schmoopiness".
I'd guess the latter a lot of the time. He seems to have a talent for keeping people happy - on the LOTR set too, where he would "buoy up" PJ every morning with his bubbly enthusiasm and, according to Ian McKellen, was (as leading man) the ideal emotional centre for the cast in general (and boy, was that cast emotional!). And yes, as Honey pointed out, he was/is the peacemaker at home too.

Met a couple of drivers from the Save Angel Hope shoot last night. Billy is currently back in Scotland, but will be over here again next week (for several weeks, it seems) to resume filming. And Bernard Hill is here too! (he must be following me around :D - last time I saw him was in Karlovy Vary .... :cool: )
Wonder if the convent needs any more nuns??

Oh - and this has now appeared on my local cinema site:
caramba link (http://www.caramba.lu/fichefilm.asp?idfilm=-1177943654)
Can't say I'm too fond of the pic on the left. However much I like the one on the right.
And there are still no dates or venues!

honeyelf

02-25-2005, 01:27 PM

Pet hobbit - yes. But pixie?
having been near the Lad for a moment, I have to say he does have a pixie-like quality. Small, and exactly perfectly proportional and like a whole other species! Like a figment, and if you blink, or step out of that magical circle of his presence, he might just evaporate, or dissapear altogether. Maybe because he's just too beautiful to seem possible, or even made of real flesh-and-blood. Like you imagined him, and there's really no such thing. Obviously I'm havng trouble expressing myself here, but yeah, even as a hobbit, he'd have an other-worldlike quality, so not really very hobbity at all!

that was dangerously close to swooning, wasn't it! :p ;)

honey!

Flourish

02-25-2005, 03:42 PM

that was dangerously close to swooning, wasn't it!

Yes but I think we can overlook it from one who has seen The Eyes. ;)

(psst, Serena, your mail box is full!)

honeyelf

02-25-2005, 08:24 PM

Well, this feels kinda weird, but there's not a lot of news on the Elijah front, so I thought I'd post a couple of links to NPR interviews.

This first one is with Seth Green, a 31 year old actor who has a lot of eerie parlells with Elijah. His first role was at age 8, playing the child self of his jewish director, Woody Allen. Sounds kind of familiar, no? (Think Elijah in Avalon, playing a character based on the young Barry Levinson.) He's also worked with McCauley Culkin. But besides that, he auditioned to play Patrick in ESOTSM! (He praises Elijah for what he did in the role, which is nice to hear on NPR!:)) so here's that one: Seth Green Interview (http://http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4509889)

Then I found a series on acting. They cover the Stanislavsky System, Method Acting, and a post-modern reaction to the 'Method.' That link is HERE. (http://http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4510430)

Maybe those will provide food for thought while we wait for "Hooligans" and "Sin City."

hugs,
honey!

BunnieBugs

02-25-2005, 08:43 PM

Honey, your link to the Seth Green interview (omigosh, is he already 31?!?) was faulty, I'm afraid. For those who have trouble finding it, it's here (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4509889). Thanks for the heads up on that!

I really like Seth. And he and Elijah are acquainted. :)

ceefour

02-25-2005, 09:40 PM

And he can use the word "germaine" correctly in a sentence! ;)

Seth Green has a different perspective on Macauley Culkin than we usually hear.

HoneyElf, the link to the acting segmant did not work. :(

C4

How can we get Terry Gross to interview EW?

BunnieBugs

02-25-2005, 09:48 PM

HoneyElf, the link to the acting segmant did not work. :(

*sneaks in* *drops correct link (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4510430) for Honey's article*

How can we get Terry Gross to interview EW?
I had that exact thought myself, C4. Perhaps when EII is immenent, we should start a letter-writing campaign? :cool:

ceefour

02-25-2005, 09:52 PM

Thank you, BunnieBugs! :D

C4

Such interesting interviews and one with Robert Brustein, the subject of a newspaper article I quoted from earlier this week. His comments seem to describe what EW has done. Before acting schools started, an actor would apprentice with an acting company and learn by observation and by "getting up and doing it." EW's apprenticeship has just been on movie sets.

When William H. Macy spoke of "being willing to make a fool of yourself," it reminded me of something Dominic Monaghan said in one of the commentaries about how all of the hobbit actors agreed to be absolutely open with their emotions as hobbits, even though it might look silly, because they were hobbits, not humans.

zkgrumpy

02-26-2005, 12:28 AM

Before acting schools started, an actor would apprentice with an acting company and learn by observation and by "getting up and doing it." EW's apprenticeship has just been on movie sets. I *knew* there was a reason why I liked the kid! Someone quoted an article a few posts back (sorry - too lazy to go back and look :p ) about that an actor can't make it without formal training. It's like the old argument about "traditional" vs "non-traditional" learning. I got my B.A. without setting foot in a classroom (and no it wasn't out of a box of Trix :p ) and had a number of people wonder how you could learn anything outside of a classroom. I also think of Paul McCarteny (after 40 years it seems like I could at least spell his name right!), who has never learned to read music. He always meant to learn but kept putting it off. Seems like he did pretty well without.

I think Apprenticeship is a good term for it, though the parallel isn't exact. He wasn't in service to one master, he was expected to bring expertise to what he was doing to begin with, and his performances had to be as good as the older actors. But he's worked with some great actors and like I've said before, I don't think those big blue eyes miss much. :)

When William H. Macy spoke of "being willing to make a fool of yourself," it reminded me of something Dominic Monaghan said in one of the commentaries about how all of the hobbit actors agreed to be absolutely open with their emotions as hobbits, even though it might look silly, because they were hobbits, not humans. Johnny Depp said something similar on Actor's Studio about being willing to make an absolute fool of yourself. I remember being surprised when I first started reading about the lads, because it seemed odd that they were fairly cool, but still played characters who were good and pure-hearted to the point of corniness, and played them straight. I never got a sense of "Hey, look, I'm playing a really dorky character ha ha ha but I'm really very cool!" I think it took a remarkable amount of courage on all parts - the producers for allowing it, PJ for doing it, and the guys for performing it - to allow the entire Fellowship the time to stop outside of the gates of Moria and sit down and grieve. Makes me wonder if by some miracle, goodness, courage, kindness, and loyalty have become cool attributes.

I listened to the cast commentary for RotK today. Now at least we know what Elijah's audition scene was! Makes sense. I wondered if the "naked in the dark" speech was it and he said it was. It looks like PJ & co picked pivotal scenes for the characters. Sean's was "Don't go where I can't follow". What a leap of faith with Viggo, though! From what I've gathered, they had to go on his past work and there was no time to do auditions.

~grumpy

honeyelf

02-26-2005, 01:36 AM

Bunnie, thank you for the fixing my stinky linkies! :o

How can we get Terry Gross to interview EW? I had that exact thought myself, C4. Perhaps when EII is immenent, we should start a letter-writing campaign? :cool:
Hey, my NPR dues are paid up, and I've got a pen and paper!:D

honey! isavedpublicradioihaveacoffeemugthatsaysso

Skater girl

02-26-2005, 05:27 AM

I would so love to hear Elijah being interviewed like Terry Gross interviewed Seth Green. All the interviews with Elijah that I have heard and seen have simply tried to use him as an tool to amuse the audience, and I have always felt that he has so much more depth to him than is being allowed to show through.

Although I do now remember him from Austin Powers, I had never heard the name Seth Green, so perhaps we will only start to hear more serious discussions with Elijah if he avoids beoming a huge star and forges a steady career away from the limelight.

I had been anything but a fan of Johnny Depp until I accidently saw him on what I think is called Actors Studio (I saw it on german TV, called something else, and with a commentary in German, but it was obviously done for American TV). All the previous oddments I had seen, of and about him, in the media had really put me off him, as he came across as shallow, secretive and weird, yet when I finally got to hear him being allowed to talk in depth about his acting career, I ended up really liking the guy.

The only interview for me that has let Elijah simply be himself was the one with Jo Whiley on Radio One. I often find myself playing it back for company

zkgrumpy

02-26-2005, 10:33 AM

All the interviews with Elijah that I have heard and seen have simply tried to use him as an tool to amuse the audience, and I have always felt that he has so much more depth to him than is being allowed to show through. Having just read Wazzername's book "When the Fan Hits the Sh*t", I'm feeling rather put off by people/interviewers who simply "use" the lads. I'm sure there's tremendous depth there. BTW did anyone notice The Lad's hysterically funny imitation of Jack Nicholson's conversation with him at - um - Academy Awards? It was on one of the RotK disks, I think.

Although I do now remember him from Austin Powers, I had never heard the name Seth Green, so perhaps we will only start to hear more serious discussions with Elijah if he avoids beoming a huge star and forges a steady career away from the limelight.I never saw Austin Powers and my knowledge of Seth is sketchy, but he was pretty big in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. He played a kid who became a werewolf and was Willow's boyfriend. He's got phenomenal deadpan comic timing like I can't believe, along with ability to play depth of emotion, and it's worth watching just for him. I was delighted to see that he'd started doing big movies.

You mentioned Johnny Depp - how long did it take him to be recognized for the actor that he is, and to have the opportunity to do interviews of any depth? I don't think he's reclusive; I think he's a shyboy and he got burned early on over Jump Street exploitation.

Elijah learned early on how to handle himself in interviews. I can't wait to see what happens when he's finally allowed to express himself for others than his teen fans. :)

~grumpy (that book, along with Gavin DeBecker's "The Gift of Fear", should be required reading for anyone swamped by celebrity.)(Jump Street was a guilty pleasure of mine before Fox was cool)

Alyon

02-26-2005, 12:35 PM

Grumpy:

I *knew* there was a reason why I liked the kid! Someone quoted an article a few posts back (sorry - too lazy to go back and look ) about that an actor can't make it without formal training. It's like the old argument about "traditional" vs "non-traditional" learning. I got my B.A. without setting foot in a classroom (and no it wasn't out of a box of Trix ) and had a number of people wonder how you could learn anything outside of a classroom. I also think of Paul McCarteny (after 40 years it seems like I could at least spell his name right!), who has never learned to read music. He always meant to learn but kept putting it off. Seems like he did pretty well without.

I'm with you there--and I also thought of the Lennon-McCartney example!! After he got successful, Paul was actually afraid to learn to read music--he was afraid that when he knew all of the boundaries and rules, he would stay within them. I think there were times when the Beatles would ask classical musicians to play in places their insruments weren't supposed to go--because they didn't know better. But guess, what? they got the muscians to do it and broke some boundaries and in the process they moved music forward.

I would never be one to scoff at good training (far be it for me to do so!), but I think there is nothing to substitute for keen observation, insight and creative thinking. It can take one very far. And sometimes with that, a person can learn much of what is being taught in a classroom without stepping inside of one.

My daughter did have good theater training--but film acting is very different--and she was able to learn much about that through observation --a process that never ends. Luckily there are a lot of good movies out there to watch and you can learn a lot via very keen observation. There are those that insist you need formal training, and maybe it helps...but there are also a good number of actors who do just as well because they are willing to expose themselves and be open on screen. And that really translates on film.
Ceefour:
When William H. Macy spoke of "being willing to make a fool of yourself," it reminded me of something Dominic Monaghan said in one of the commentaries about how all of the hobbit actors agreed to be absolutely open with their emotions as hobbits, even though it might look silly, because they were hobbits, not humans.

I recently spoke to one filmmaker who said that when he casts, he first looks for people he can get along with. And then he looks for the quality of being brave enough to jump in and try things, to not worry about making a fool of oneself. And he will cast non-actors, if they fit the bill.

I know I have mentioned this before--but there is a well known casting director who has cast many first time actors--and her first criteria is not about "acting"--but it's whether they allow the camera to see into them.

I think that is particularly important in film acting versus theater acting--because a lot of the acting in film can be unspoken. A film actor often has to be able to communicate without words. (Can anyone here say "Elijah" ;) )

Elijah is obviously a keen observer. I doubt he could learn anything more from an acting classroom than he has by being in the business all those years. He knows how to show his soul. He knows how to listen as a character. He knows how to be brave in showing himself. And after all of these years, he obviously has picked up on technicalities of presentation.

Schooling is so good in so many ways--but I also have that fear that Paul McCartney had--that when you know how you are "supposed" to do something, you start second guessing your choices. "Maybe I'm not supposed to do it that way?"

There are many excersizes about defining your objective, or knowing your character, or the method way of feeling your own memories. But if you can do it your way and you do it well--why mess with success??

One can always be learning and probably should always be learning. But learning may not have to take place in a classroom. Having said that, people do have to be comitted to learn. I'm not suggesting it doesn't take hard work or attention--it just can (I think) be done outside of formal training. I'd be worried to death if someone like Elijah took acting classes you know, just to continue his resume. I would be afraid it would stifle his instincts.

I am in no way giving an expert opinion on acting classes--this just happens to be something I think about it relation to many areas in life. I have an education, so I don't have a bone to pick there--it's just that there is something beyond learning as implanted. some of the most educated people I know have trouble leaping beyond the things that they were taught. some of the most creative leaps of learning have been done by people outside of a field of training--because they will think outside of the box...

Okay...I'm rambling off the road of the topic. :confused:

Silly me
On topic again. YES let's get Terry Gross to interview Elijah!!!!! :cool:

tgshaw

02-26-2005, 05:50 PM

Wonderful posts and so much I'd like to respond to--more like add to--but don't have time. At least at the moment I'm rushed for a good reason. I'm going to hear The Symphony :) :) :cool: (Yes, The Symphony :p !)

I'm sure I'll love and enjoy it immensely, but would appreciate any good vibes that can be thrown towards the friend who's going with me (not exactly enthusiastically, but since I had two tickets she'll go along :rolleyes: ). I've assured her it's really good music even without the link to the story. She's the one kind of nut that's harder to crack than someone who's never read LotR and doesn't want to. She read it--once--in the sixties, and that was enough. There's some kind of reluctance under the surface with her response to the movies. She's someone who doesn't miss many movies, especially if they get nominated for best picture, but she's "never happened" to see any of the three LotR movies. I hope she has an incredibly good time! :p

Alyon

02-26-2005, 06:25 PM

Oh TG!!! Have Fun!!!! I hope your friend isn't close-minded to it, and that she has a lovely time. If she doesn't, then I hope it doesn't dampen the experience for you. But she will have to enjoy herself--it's so lovely!!! :D

By the way--Where's Moondancer?? Are you out there lurking?? Come back!!

Flourish

02-26-2005, 07:36 PM

Those who are interested in the writer Jonathan Safran Foer, author of "Everything Is Illuminated," will enjoy Deborah Solomon's very personal account of him in tomorrow's New York Times magazine. (The film of "EII" gets very brief mention only, as due for release in August.) There is a lot of interesting material about Foer's childhood, his personality, his passions as a writer, his new book, and so on.

You'll be able to access the article online free for a week beginning tomorrow. I'll come back and post the link in the morning. (For production reasons we get some parts of Sunday's paper delivered on Saturdays, but it doesn't go online until the day of publication.)

BunnieBugs

02-26-2005, 07:56 PM

These just in:

Elijah and Liev Schreiber presented an award at the Independent Spirit Awards this afternoon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/spirit0507.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/bunniebugs/Elijah/spirit0508.jpg

There is also a video clip of them presenting available for download at Beyond Blue (http://www.beyond-blue.net/home.shtml).

ceefour

02-26-2005, 10:27 PM

Thanks, BunnieBugs, for the pictures.

Ohhh! tg has gone to The Symphony! Hope you enjoyed it.

C4

zkgrumpy

02-27-2005, 12:57 AM

I downloaded the clip but can't get it to play on my iMac, at least not in Quicktime. It doesn't recognize the format. :( Any suggestions?

I recorded the awards show and the red-carpet show and the most I saw of The One Lad was one shot of him when Jodi Foster came out to present. They didn't show him presenting. Harrrumph. How did they miss him on the red carpet? Did he crawl under a flap of the tent to get in? But at least the camera lingered lovingly and he certainly did look fine. In the pre-game show, they interviewed Liev Schreiber and he mentioned EII and Elijah Wood. The fact that they presented together - I guess publicity has begun. :)

But what was the deal? When were the awards actually done? Did they broadcast at that point? The cheapskates.

Oh - did you catch Jodi Foster saying that she never studied acting?!? I remember her in the sixties and seventies when she was just a little girl - she was on TV a lot. I remember seeing her in an episode of Daniel Boone (Fess Parker) and an episode of Ironside. So I guess she and The One Lad have a great deal in common in that respect. So there. Hah. She certainly did ok.

~reallygrumpybutatleastIfast-forwardedthroughthewholething